Was Charles Manson really innocent? Post your thoughts here.

he never killed anyone...

I don't think he deserved the sentence he got.

I dont think he was innocent but no other person in history has spent that much time imprisoned for complicity to commit.

the evidence is kind of flimsy.. the gun? roman polanski?

No.

Sharon Tate took up with a bad seed and dabbled in all sorts of stuff back then. Polanski's record is well known..An anal rapist of a child. I'm not saying the woman got what she deseved but it's a well known fact, if lay with dogs...expect to pick up a few fleas. Who knows what really went on to start all of that.

Would an innocent man write this???

I think in the labianca murders he was more hands on. either way he is a whack job and better locked away.

More innocent than O.J.

True, but he probably encouraged several of his "Family" members to slaughter Tate, Sebring and Lo Bianca.



Hell, it was Laurel Canyon, after all.

No and he should get a high caliber bullet into the forehead.

Considering his original charges and the evidence on which he was convicted, his interviews in the 80s and 90s, witness testimony, and the official story, I see no reason on which he should have been convicted.

Encouragement to commit a crime does not present any liabilities per se. Solicitation to commit murder is a different story.

Last Edited by Silenced Cardinal on 12/30/2009 08:18 PM

He was an abusive controlling cult leader. The buck stops there when you are the leader. He was responsible because he was their leader and didn't allow them any freedom of action or thought.

he also wrote this....
as performed by GNR off the Spagetthi Incident

nice job by Charlie on this !

i cant pretend to know what happened back then, but here are some wise words from this man

Manson never killed anyone Not like LBJ, Bush,or Obama
,Who killed by the millons He is a natural leader,Someone we need today

Ethically and legally speaking a man can only be held accountable for his own actions. He was not present at the crime scene at the time of the commission of the offense and possibly may not have even been aware of the killings.

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the humanity of Charles Manson is obtuse, hell he stole over a million $$$ from Dennis Wilson and has a swastika tattooed to his forehead.

The humanity of the state of california is well understood, as Pelosi prefers to wipeout thousands of farmers for a small minnow by cutting off there water.

So who is more insane?

California will provide room and board to Manson until his death and still be the home of Hollywood horror shows that are bound to produce another Manson any time now.

And plus the same could be said of preachers whose parishioners kill gays upon the preacher's explanation of the prescribed punishment for homosexuality in Old Testament Israel. The preacher was in no way responsible and had he been asked he would have been bound by law to recommend against it and report it to the authorities. Yet the liberals in Congress would have that preacher wrongfully imprisoned for a crime he did not commit, the same suggestion you make for Charles Manson who killed no one.

Last Edited by Silenced Cardinal on 12/30/2009 08:27 PM

By your same logic, then LBJ, Bush or Obama haven't killed anyone, only the people who were serving them, following their orders. Therefore Bush, LBJ and Obama are totally innocent for anything their followers have done.

He never said that, you should be referring to me. And even what you think I said I never said. The distinction you should make is the difference between an encouragement to commit crime and an order to commit crime. Encouraging someone to break the law is, as far as I am aware, not illegal. To give an order to commit a crime, in this case murder, implies a business relationship, the business being contract killing which is a crime. I think we have all spouted off in anger about what we would like seen done to somebody who angered us. Holiday Case in point being Clark Griswold who in anger said he would like to see his boss in his living room to give him a piece of his mind. Cousin Eddie, who is a little slow and sometimes makes decisions hastily then left to kidnap Clark's boss and bring him to Clark's house. Now did Clark commit a crime or was he simply upset he did not get a pay raise and could not build his pool he had already made a down payment on and made regrettable remarks?

Now I don't know all the facts in this case. Manson should be convicted on the merits of the case alone. As it stands he was not tried for the commission of the offense or as an accessory/accomplice but for conspiracy.

My question is what evidence do you have to suggest there was a conspiracy, if any is to be found?

Where did you read that about Wilson? I'm inclined not to believe that. I think if he'd have come into that much cash, things would have turned out differently

there are many, many children out there fathered by Manson

I don't believe by today's standards, he would have been convicted in a Court of Law. The evidence was very circumstantial. And testimonies no longer hold up without other supporting evidence. But he's still either crazy or possessed. Read something that he was MK subject and a handler of "The Family" community . Who Knows.
He was certainly a victim and product of life and societal circumstances since childhood. Polanski was involved with Crowley and luciferians. As was Manson ...

But he certainly put an end to the hippie and summer of love movement. Perhaps as planned.

He's nobody. He's a tramp, a bum, a hobo. He's a box car and a jug of wine. And a straight razor - if you get too close to him.

Tasty Tidbit: Polanski's "Rosemary's Baby"
Filmed in The Dakota where Lennon lived.
Scene where a person falls out of the window and the spot person lands on sidewalk in front of Dakota, same spot Lennon was gunned down. Evil either connects with or begets evil. Circle connects to Crowley.

Jane Mansfield, high priestess in Crowley's satanic church, went to him, asked for a death on her husband. Request granted. Only she was in the car at time of the crash and was beheaded. Careful what one requests. And from whom.

But Manson was guilty of bringing the counter cultural movement to a very abrupt end. He served his purpose perhaps.

they should release this guy, its been long enough to be locked up for comitting no crime.

Tell that to black men accused of rape by white women.



I think there is no doubt Manson is an evil person and even were he to be released is almost certain to reoffend. However, that does not justify continuing the unjust imprisonment of an innocent man. To be honest, if he were released I don't think he would make it that long as there would be considerable threats against his life.

I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I have come to find out in my lifetime that anyone who is so widely hated and despised, even 40 years later, the facts may not be what they appear to be.