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When Will "Planet X" Cause A Pole Shift?

 
Volar
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Yes she has. Her credibility has been skewed by the likes of Dr. Postman, Circuit Breaker, Menow, Astronut, and others, that find delight in antagonizing, and belittling.

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LMAO!

The very first "prediction" she offers as proof of her accuracy in that video starts off:

"The earth's magnetic North Pole points consistently in one direction" and "does not change, ever."

You stand by that?


How many directions do YOU think Earth's magnetic North Pole should point?


Well, since the magnetic North Pole ISN'T the same as the pole at the end of the axis on which the Earth turns, it rotates with the Earth and "points" in a number of different directions throughout a 24 hour period and not "consistently in one direction as though focused on a distant point in the Universe" as claimed by Nancy.

And that's not taking into account that the magnetic North Pole has been gradually moving ever since it was located.

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Additionally, what Nancy is claiming here is that there are never any reversals of the magnetic poles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548017


Regardless of whether it is Magnetic, or Crustal movement, there has to be a reason for the abrupt changes taking place on our Planet. Twenty years ago, this subject would have never been this controversial, let along all the other abnormalities we are also experiencing. This is one of the basic reasons I feel we may be in serious trouble. How can one NOT suspect a Planet X....unless of course age prevents a judgmental comparison of the past.
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Regardless of whether it is Magnetic, or Crustal movement, there has to be a reason for the abrupt changes taking place on our Planet. Twenty years ago, this subject would have never been this controversial, let along all the other abnormalities we are also experiencing. This is one of the basic reasons I feel we may be in serious trouble. How can one NOT suspect a Planet X....unless of course age prevents a judgmental comparison of the past.
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Name three of these abrupt changes and I bet I can find 3 events of similar or greater magnitude that happened well in the past.
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Regardless of whether it is Magnetic, or Crustal movement, there has to be a reason for the abrupt changes taking place on our Planet. Twenty years ago, this subject would have never been this controversial, let along all the other abnormalities we are also experiencing. This is one of the basic reasons I feel we may be in serious trouble. How can one NOT suspect a Planet X....unless of course age prevents a judgmental comparison of the past.
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I take that as your acknowledgement that Nancy is wrong on the subject of the magnetic poles.

There have always been continual changes taking place on the planet as well as constant "abnormalities."

However, if you're looking for reasons for current abrupt changes I'd say unprecedented human alteration of the environment would be the place to start.

You also ask how one cannot suspect a Planet X?

When there is no evidence whatsoever of its existence outside of the claims of mystics.

And I'm not sure what age has to do with one's ability to evaluate the past. But I'm plenty old.
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Yes, I know what she meant, although it is very easy to twist things around to mean entirely something else....I learned that, from talking with you guys.

Oh no, you've proven very consistent at twisting peoples words, it's not like this is the first time you've done it.

Her reasoning is the magnetic pole is stationary, and only the crust moves. If I am not mistaken, I do believe she also said the Zetas periodically do correction, so as to stabilize the seasons.

If the crust is moving but the magnetic field isn't, then polaris should still be moving as seen by anyone standing on the crust. She said the Zetas were tilting the earth back and forth to simulate the seasons, but if that were the case the stars would all be out of place as sidereal time would still equal 24 hours exactly (instead of the 23hrs 56minutes 4.1seconds it's supposed to be) and the constellations would cease to change with the seasons. Polaris would also appear to tilt out of place, as would the moon, but none of that has happened. Polaris and the moon are right where they're supposed to be Volar, she was wrong.
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So a "correction" in the tilt would lead one to believe it was Magnetic, instead of a Crustal movement? Do you realize that even if the poles are moving 40 miles a year, it would only take a decade to move 400 miles? That is only if the movement does not speed up. With Planet X, you can just about guarantee it will.
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So a "correction" in the tilt would lead one to believe it was Magnetic, instead of a Crustal movement? Do you realize that even if the poles are moving 40 miles a year, it would only take a decade to move 400 miles? That is only if the movement does not speed up. With Planet X, you can just about guarantee it will.
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If you're talking about the "correction" the alleged Zetas are supposedly making to maintain the seasons, what Nancy is claiming is a physical tilting of the Earth. A magnetic change would have no effect on that.

It seems to me you are still confused on the distinction between the magnetic poles and physical poles. This is no doubt in large part due to you believing Nancy is an authority on the subject when she obviously does not know what she is talking about.
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Let me ask you this, Volar, how long do you intend to keep up the whining about the imaginary planet x? When do you suppose it will be "undeniable"? What if it never is?


What kind of question is that? This is like saying, "When are our "fearless leaders" going to come clean, and stop all this lying, to the American people.


Your evasion is noted.


What I am trying to say is it no longer is up to me. Nancy is the one calling the shots. I am just a believer.
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So you are admitting you believe in somebody who is repeatedly wrong, lacks basic knowledge of science, refuses to back up her own claims by looking through a telescope, hears voices in her head and thinks they are real because she found an unwrapped candy? Seriously? Just what kind of crack are you smoking?
Just when you think batshit crazy can't get any crazier Emily
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So a "correction" in the tilt would lead one to believe it was Magnetic, instead of a Crustal movement? Do you realize that even if the poles are moving 40 miles a year, it would only take a decade to move 400 miles? That is only if the movement does not speed up. With Planet X, you can just about guarantee it will.



If you're talking about the "correction" the alleged Zetas are supposedly making to maintain the seasons, what Nancy is claiming is a physical tilting of the Earth. A magnetic change would have no effect on that.

It seems to me you are still confused on the distinction between the magnetic poles and physical poles. This is no doubt in large part due to you believing Nancy is an authority on the subject when she obviously does not know what she is talking about.
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That is not what I said. Try reading it slower, and more carefully this time. Then you will see I am in complete agreement with Nancy.
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Never. There is no planet X, meathead. You got to turn off that radio at night, you're wasting away fast.
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So a "correction" in the tilt would lead one to believe it was Magnetic, instead of a Crustal movement?
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No, if the tilt is "corrected" and Nancy is right that the magnetic field is not what is moving then no movement will be seen at all. The magnetic field IS moving, if it weren't then the crust would have to be moving and we would see the stars getting out of alignment. No amount of "correction" would prevent that, especially if they're doing it to simulate seasons.
Do you realize that even if the poles are moving 40 miles a year, it would only take a decade to move 400 miles?
 Quoting: Volar

So what? Previous pole flips accelerated to the point that the final part of the flip occured within hours. You don't have to invoke a non-existent planet to make that happen, the sun's 11 year cycle of magnetic polarity flips occur rapidly as well. If the magnetic field were stationary but the crust was doing the 40 mile a year moving it would be blatantly obvious in a telescope; my telescope would be unable to properly locate polaris. That's not happening Volar, you are wrong.

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That is not what I said. Try reading it slower, and more carefully this time. Then you will see I am in complete agreement with Nancy.
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If you examine ZetaTalk in any detail you quickly discover that Nancy is not even in agreement with herself. On this topic and many others.

So your last comment doesn't really clarify anything.
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!
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The trolling is left to you Menow.. but I am finding Volar to be insightful and patient with all this debunking crap.

Volar.. You are doing and amazing job at showing that the debunkers lack any qualification for judging Nancy or Zetatalk. Thank you for your efforts.
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!

The trolling is left to you Menow.. but I am finding Volar to be insightful and patient with all this debunking crap.

Volar.. You are doing and amazing job at showing that the debunkers lack any qualification for judging Nancy or Zetatalk. Thank you for your efforts.
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Seriously? Another that thinks a lady that hears voices in her head and concludes they must be genuine because she finds an unwrapped candy is somehow credible? This is a joke right?
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I liked Volar better when he was Zetamax.
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I liked Volar better when he was Zetamax.
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Where is your proof?
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!

The trolling is left to you Menow.. but I am finding Volar to be insightful and patient with all this debunking crap.

Volar.. You are doing and amazing job at showing that the debunkers lack any qualification for judging Nancy or Zetatalk. Thank you for your efforts.
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What a joke. Neither you nor "Volar" can demonstrate where ANY of Nancy's astronomical predictions or claims are true.

By the way... why does Nancy think "RA" means "right angle"?

Heh.
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Yes she has. Her credibility has been skewed by the likes of Dr. Postman, Circuit Breaker, Menow, Astronut, and others, that find delight in antagonizing, and belittling.

No, Nancy's credibility was destroyed by her own failed predictions such as "Planet X" causing a "pole shift" on May 15, 2003...then May 27, 2003...then definitely by June 1, 2003...then within "weeks not months." And so on.
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If her credibility was destroyed then why do you dedicate so much of your energy to it? deadhorse

You have almost generated some creativity in this tread CB. With a little more effort you might be able to start training your colleges in the art of bullshit.
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!

The trolling is left to you Menow.. but I am finding Volar to be insightful and patient with all this debunking crap.

Volar.. You are doing and amazing job at showing that the debunkers lack any qualification for judging Nancy or Zetatalk. Thank you for your efforts.


What a joke. Neither you nor "Volar" can demonstrate where ANY of Nancy's astronomical predictions or claims are true.

By the way... why does Nancy think "RA" means "right angle"?

Heh.
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And yet with all of your efforts you have achieved?????

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if this were to happen.. there would be tons of credible photos videos of this thing all over the net and news.. not to mention by now something the size of a sun approaching with multiple moons around it should clearly be viewable by naked eye..
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Holy crap... I see "Volar" is back and trolling with a vengeance!

The trolling is left to you Menow.. but I am finding Volar to be insightful and patient with all this debunking crap.

Volar.. You are doing and amazing job at showing that the debunkers lack any qualification for judging Nancy or Zetatalk. Thank you for your efforts.


What a joke. Neither you nor "Volar" can demonstrate where ANY of Nancy's astronomical predictions or claims are true.

By the way... why does Nancy think "RA" means "right angle"?

Heh.

And yet with all of your efforts you have achieved?????

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I have demonstrated that the likes of you and "Volar" are nothing but lying hoaxters, and had a grand time doing so!

Noted, that you had no response to the points of fact I raised, but only resort to attacking me. Droll, that.
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I liked Volar better when he was Zetamax.
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I see the debunker boycott has FAILED - just as I predicted it would!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Yes she has. Her credibility has been skewed by the likes of Dr. Postman, Circuit Breaker, Menow, Astronut, and others, that find delight in antagonizing, and belittling.

No, Nancy's credibility was destroyed by her own failed predictions such as "Planet X" causing a "pole shift" on May 15, 2003...then May 27, 2003...then definitely by June 1, 2003...then within "weeks not months." And so on.

If her credibility was destroyed then why do you dedicate so much of your energy to it? deadhorse

You have almost generated some creativity in this tread CB. With a little more effort you might be able to start training your colleges in the art of bullshit.
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The one beating a dead horse is Nancy Lieder.
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I liked Volar better when he was Zetamax.

I see the debunker boycott has FAILED - just as I predicted it would!!
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Still shitting in your hand and flinging it at people, I see.
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Re: When Will "Planet X" Cause A Pole Shift?
I'd guess sometime between tomorrow nite and 2 million years from now.

Planet X is not going to cause a pole shift because planet X does not exist. Something else could cause a pole shift, though..........
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I have demonstrated that the likes of you and "Volar" are nothing but lying hoaxters, and had a grand time doing so!

Noted, that you had no response to the points of fact I raised, but only resort to attacking me. Droll, that.
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We have been debating for years and yet the only facts you have used lack any integrity. You have used nothing but the lies that have been shoved down our throats in one form or another. When I have pointed out to you that even you do not believe the drivel you spew, you fain ignorance. With this experience there is nothing left to do but to point out your flawed character and cowardices.

With ever post you have done nothing but prove you lack any qualification to speak in public let alone debate some thing serious.

You are a plague on humanity.

If you honestly thought that Nancy was a crazy old lady that heard voices in her head, and this is the tact you choose the remidy the situation, then you are again proving that you do not deserve to be heard.
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Nancy is a fraud. You have to be a complete idiot to believe in her after all her predictions amounted to nothing more than my pole shifting that day. Heck, I make sure my pole shifts every day and so far, its given nothing but pure satisfaction.
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I have demonstrated that the likes of you and "Volar" are nothing but lying hoaxters, and had a grand time doing so!

Noted, that you had no response to the points of fact I raised, but only resort to attacking me. Droll, that.

We have been debating for years and yet the only facts you have used lack any integrity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 848933


The fact that ALL of Nancy's astronomical claims are false shows *MY* lack of integrity?!? That's SOOOOME thinkin' you're doin' there, pally!

You have used nothing but the lies that have been shoved down our throats in one form or another.
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Excuse me? Which "lie"? Please be specific. You mean the "lie" that RA actually means right Right Ascension? The "lie" that Earth is orbiting normally? The "lie" that the Sun/Moon are right where they belong in the sky? The "lie" that a large planet can't hover, unseen by astronomers, near the Sun for 7 years? To WHICH (alleged) "LIE" do you refer?

When I have pointed out to you that even you do not believe the drivel you spew, you fain ignorance.
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Point out again, if you dare. No one knows what you are talking about, including me.

With this experience there is nothing left to do but to point out your flawed character and cowardices.
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No, you could point out how you know that any astronomical claim made by Nancy is correct. What is so hard about that?

With ever post you have done nothing but prove you lack any qualification to speak in public let alone debate some thing serious.

You are a plague on humanity.

If you honestly thought that Nancy was a crazy old lady that heard voices in her head, and this is the tact you choose the remidy the situation, then you are again proving that you do not deserve to be heard.
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I have never said that Nancy is nothing but a "crazy old lady that hears voices in her head". Never. Care to try again?
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I think that only peace and love will save the world from the coming catastrophe. I propose a world wide orgy, group sex on a massive scale that would exhaust all the negative energies from this world. I think I'm going to start early. Care to join me?
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I think that only peace and love will save the world from the coming catastrophe. I propose a world wide orgy, group sex on a massive scale that would exhaust all the negative energies from this world. I think I'm going to start early. Care to join me?
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Maybe. Could you please post some pics of yourself?
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I have demonstrated that the likes of you and "Volar" are nothing but lying hoaxters, and had a grand time doing so!

Noted, that you had no response to the points of fact I raised, but only resort to attacking me. Droll, that.

We have been debating for years and yet the only facts you have used lack any integrity.


The fact that ALL of Nancy's astronomical claims are false shows *MY* lack of integrity?!? That's SOOOOME thinkin' you're doin' there, pally!


You have used nothing but the lies that have been shoved down our throats in one form or another.


Excuse me? Which "lie"? Please be specific. You mean the "lie" that RA actually means right Right Ascension? The "lie" that Earth is orbiting normally? The "lie" that the Sun/Moon are right where they belong in the sky? The "lie" that a large planet can't hover, unseen by astronomers, near the Sun for 7 years? To WHICH (alleged) "LIE" do you refer?


When I have pointed out to you that even you do not believe the drivel you spew, you fain ignorance.


Point out again, if you dare. No one knows what you are talking about, including me.


With this experience there is nothing left to do but to point out your flawed character and cowardices.


No, you could point out how you know that any astronomical claim made by Nancy is correct. What is so hard about that?


With ever post you have done nothing but prove you lack any qualification to speak in public let alone debate some thing serious.

You are a plague on humanity.

If you honestly thought that Nancy was a crazy old lady that heard voices in her head, and this is the tact you choose the remidy the situation, then you are again proving that you do not deserve to be heard.


I have never said that Nancy is nothing but a "crazy old lady that hears voices in her head". Never. Care to try again?
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Zetatalk is far to complicated for such a simple mind... move on and maybe you can be productive in the remaining part of your life.

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