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What's the most significant government deception you are personally aware of?

 
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What's the most significant government deception you are personally aware of?
I thought I would start a thread looking for personal stories of government deception. This is to separate these from the well-worn theories (9/11, the moon landing, etc.) that are often debated on here. Most of these debates are based on analysis and non-personal experience. That does not make the arguments any less vaid, but I am interested in cases where a person is directly connected to an event or in direct contact with someone who was directly connected (the Haskell thread made me think of this).

My personal contribution...

It involves the first Gulf War. As you may remember, Saddam was lobbing a bunch of Scuds at Israel and U.S forces stationed in Saudi and Kuwait. You may recall this event:

Twenty-eight members of the Pennsylvania National Guard were killed when one struck a United States Army barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

At the time, I remember the media and the government saying it was an incredibly (un)lucky hit, since the scud is unguided. At the time, I accepted that explanation, but years later I happened to have a work assignment that involved this elderly gentleman who had recently retired after several decades at the Defense Department. Over drinks one evening, he got a bit chatty and started telling stories from the Gulf War. All of them were eye-opening as they involved operational details I had never heard anything about in the media, including gruesome details of just how easily and efficiently the U.S. military killed of thousands of Iraqi troops, but his story about the scud was truly shocking. He said the scud was intercepted by a Patriot missile fired by a battery near the barracks, but the Patriot did not intercept cleanly and rather than destroying the scud, it basically stopped it cold and destroyed the tail of the missile, leaving the warhead intact. The warhead fell basically directly down from the sky and landed on the barracks. "Warhead" and "tail" are probably not the correct terms, but point is that the scud would have landed someplace else. The only reason it hit the barracks was because of the Patriot. That this was never revealed publicly is, in retrospect, not surprising, but that evening was the first time I became aware of how easily the government lies to its people.

Anyway, that's the story. Here's hoping this thread will attract more.
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unfunded liabilities
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elections
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Congress and the current administration's complete disregard for the Constitution of the United States.
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My dad told me about when he was in the army in civil air defense that in 1968 a German airliner was shot down by a Hercules battery.
The transponder had gone out and the plane was shot out of sky east of Long Island.
The government hushed it up and paid off the relatives of the victims.
All the GIs from that battery were removed from duty and some were sent to Leavenworth.

How's that one for you?
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government cheese. that shit aint no cheese.
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MKULTRA
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bump
Come on folks.
Somebody must have something good.
I have another one I'll share in few minutes.
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My dad told me about when he was in the army in civil air defense that in 1968 a German airliner was shot down by a Hercules battery.
The transponder had gone out and the plane was shot out of sky east of Long Island.
The government hushed it up and paid off the relatives of the victims.
All the GIs from that battery were removed from duty and some were sent to Leavenworth.

How's that one for you?
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that's a GOODY!
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The development of the Stealth Fighter and Bomber, started under the "Tacit Blue" program, and the secrecy surrounding the use of our tax money at Tonopah Test Range/Area 51/Groom Lake.
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My dad told me about when he was in the army in civil air defense that in 1968 a German airliner was shot down by a Hercules battery.
The transponder had gone out and the plane was shot out of sky east of Long Island.
The government hushed it up and paid off the relatives of the victims.
All the GIs from that battery were removed from duty and some were sent to Leavenworth.

How's that one for you?
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Wow. That's a really good one.

I wonder how many people need a personal experience to awaken them. When I was younger, I assumed all conspiracists were crackpots. Then I had a few conversations like the one above and then I spent a few years in global banking, witnessing with disbelief the disparity between actual events and their presentation to the public.

Then I ended up on GLP.
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unfunded liabilities
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Excellent Mr. P! Happy New Year!
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Americans are free
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UFO's.
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Israel

I heard it from, well, let's just say "a reliable source" that it was 55 innocent civilians slaughtered, and bulldozed in their homes by drunken Israeli soldiers in the Jenin Refugee Camp.

www.jenininquiry.org
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How about the whole charade that we won the revolutionary war and that we are a free people?
Yeah?
Wasn't there a rather large body of work someone posted to the internet uncovering that the U.S. still pays Gold to the "King of England". It was all to save England's assets--The Colonies. And...
That the war of 1812 was simply a way to burn evidence in the capitol ,etc.?
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Americans are free
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I pick this one.
Trust your instinct to the end, though you can render no reason.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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fiat money to start

911 is so easy it is hilarious
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Full faith and credit of the United states.


Fed reserve system..Fractional reserve banking..
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Full faith and credit of the United states.


Fed reserve system..Fractional reserve banking..
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bingo!
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unfunded liabilities
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Like Billy Clintons "Budget Surplus" in the late 90's

I still here that one from time to time, and i have restrain myself from choking the person that says it..


tounge
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I got another one, although my personal experience here was probably shared by many others.

I was a Ron Paul supporter. Almost from the beginning, I got the sense he was being treated uniquely unfairly by the media, but when you start to complain about something like that, it's very easy to be written off as a sore loser, since as a supporter, I was naturally biased (like a sports fan who is always claiming the refs are screwing them over).

But the night of the Republican primaries gave me concrete evidence. RP lost in every state, of course, but I noticed something peculiar about the media's coverage. Several stations had little tickers at the bottom of their screen showing the relative performance of candidates in each state. Without exception, the list cutoff right before Ron Paul. If Paul came in sixth, they rolled off the top five names. If fifth, the top four. But in Western states, where Paul broke the top three in a couple of cases, they only showed the top two. His name was not shown once.
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operation paperclip: using the results of Nazi experiments on concentration camp guinea pigs to jump start the space race. The US granted immunity to Nazi war criminals in exchange for data and then covered up their records.
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I was a federal tax defense paralegal, I have to say Federal Income Tax.

Followed by SSI
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Here's the other one I mentioned.
In 1978 or 79 the Nimitz was in the Bering sea.
They were playing cat and mouse with a Russia sub.
The sub got too close and the Nimitz ran over it.
The sub sank to bottom. The Nimitz had huge hole in her starboard side. They sealed of the compartments off but the huge hole caused severe drag.
So, they flew all the planes off to the Aleutians so as to get the hole partially above the water line.
Then they filled the whole void with concrete, tons and tons of concrete. It worked great and they were able to get to the yards to have her fixed. When she came in to the yards it looked like the ship had a huge booger hanging off the starboard bow.
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9/11. Sorry but it WAS very personal to me. It was the day my country took it's last breath.
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The fact that every single assassination and attempted assassination of a US president (except for that numbskull Reagan) has connections or rumored connections to "powerful european-british bankers."

Interestingly enough each and EVERY assassination and/or attempt followed the interference by the US president on fractional reserve banking.

Dig, and learn.
When blacks have identity it is called pride.
When indians have identity it is called culture.
When Jewish people have identity it is called history.
When WHITES have identity it is called Racism.
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pin this!
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The fact that every single assassination and attempted assassination of a US president (except for that numbskull Reagan) has connections or rumored connections to "powerful european-british bankers."

Interestingly enough each and EVERY assassination and/or attempt followed the interference by the US president on fractional reserve banking.

Dig, and learn.
 Quoting: Emmeric

No arguements here Emeric, but if you go that route and want to dig an learn....
...the BOE has its roots in the Vatican bank.
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But the night of the Republican primaries gave me concrete evidence. RP lost in every state, of course, but I noticed something peculiar about the media's coverage. Several stations had little tickers at the bottom of their screen showing the relative performance of candidates in each state. Without exception, the list cutoff right before Ron Paul. If Paul came in sixth, they rolled off the top five names. If fifth, the top four. But in Western states, where Paul broke the top three in a couple of cases, they only showed the top two. His name was not shown once.
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And people laugh when I say the media is the mouthpiece of government and the same people that control elections control the media.
When blacks have identity it is called pride.
When indians have identity it is called culture.
When Jewish people have identity it is called history.
When WHITES have identity it is called Racism.





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