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Message Subject There is no Biblical evidence that Christ is of the seed of King David. In fact, the Bible proves He is not.
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Thanks for the interesting link. I have only a few comments.

First, the link says that the genealogy in Matthew established the LEGAL royal blood line through Joseph, which is an argument I've read hundreds of times before. However, since Joseph was not the physical father of Christ, the “seed of David” could not pass through him. The Bible makes no mention of the requirement of a purely legal blood line. The "fruit of one's loins" is a physical status, not a legal one.

Second, the Article also says that Mary's mother was of the House of Arron so that Mary was also of the house of Aaron/Levi as I suggested. However the author says that Mary was also of the house of Judah through her father and that “The blood line of Nathan, the son of David, is through Mary's father.” However, there are several problems with this conclusion.

As I have already shown, the bloodline (seed of David) was to be through David's son Solomon, not his son Nathan. Additionally, the genealogy given in Luke does makes no mention of Mary, nor does it identify Mary's father. The genealogy in Luke traces the ancestry of Nathan to Joseph, but not to Mary. If Joseph and Mary have the same genealogies their relationship is incestuous.

If Mary's father was of the house of David, where is that fact stated in the Bible? What's his name?

I have provided verses showing that the throne of David would pass through Solomon. If the throne of David is to pass through Nathan as your link claims, where is that fact stated in the Bible? Did God change His mind?

I said there was no evidence in the Bible which proved that either Joseph or Mary could have passed the seed of David to Christ. The link you provided was interesting and I thank you, but it did nothing to make me change my mind.

One parting thought. Over the years I have read dozens of schemes employed in an attempt to find Biblical evidence of a bloodline between either Joseph or Mary and King David. There are four theories involving the Book of Luke: (1) it is the genealogy of Joseph; (2) it is the genealogy of Mary; (3) it is the genealogy of Mary's father; and (4) it is not a legitimate genealogy of anyone. The later theory is based on the fact that the genealogy is introduced by the words "as was supposed."
 Quoting: The Professor 660063

I see you have done your homework well. However, you have not listed the assumptions that you have made in reaching your conclusions, assumptions of an interpretative nature. If you were doing a scholarly work such a setting forth of your operational assumptions would be called for. But, hey, this is a forum and such scholar work calls for a book or several of them to properly and fully handle the issue.

None-the-less the 'riddle' is indeed a puzzling one and a difficult one to tease out. On the 'plain reading' or the 'straight reading' at first, second, and third blush, even with somewhat of a knowledge of the Old Testament it is rather easy to understand just where those "Jews" were coming from that rejected Jesus Christ as the Savior, if this current set of Scripture would have been all they had to go on. But, they were actually there... both those "jews" that accepted Jesus Christ as Savrior and those "jews" that did not.

That most so called Bible Thumpers will merely reguritate the writings of this author or that scholar is merely an appeal to authority and the same can be said as to the other side of these arguments. Rare indeed is the 'believer' who having seen the problems here as you pose them set down and done his own serious brain work and re-searching of the Scriptures.

But to admit this riddle does not exist is to be dishonest with the texts.

I myself have been searching for the answer to this riddle for several decades and have long been aware of the 4 basic approaches taht have been used, and I too find none of them entirely convincing.

In as much as much is made in terms of various and sundry 'legal' interpretations and arguments of the Old Testament Law especialy going on at the time these gospels cover, it is very hard to not choose one Rabbi's interpretation over another's about the keeping of bloodlines, the merging of bloods lines, and indeed the handling of the very terms of the endless geneologies. Even of those given in Genesis. Indeed about the very meaning of the legal terms and the judical decision made by one judge or another.

Case in point also is that we do not have, have not been given the entire "clan" or Tribal Genetic tree of every single generation of any or all of the Tribes of Israel. We have not been given the entire Genetic Pedigree of every person that ever lived that shared Jacob-Israel as a common ancestor in a biological genetic sense. And we most certainly are given very little information about the women.
It would appear, that only God knows for sure, only God has 'on record' the full genetic genome book of every single individual that ever lived.

The Scripture does most certainly lay down certain constraints that have to be paid attention to in this area of study.

Many a Christian has no answer, has not even considered there is a problem here to even cause them to seek an answer -- many are afraid to look too deep as they might feel it will weaken their faith -- apparently such faith is already weak -- they don not seem to realize that according to the Scripture it is Jesus Christ's faith that saves them and not their own -- apparently they doubt that.
 
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