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Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls ?

That community was only a few years after Jesus

hundreds of scrolls of all types

no mention of Jesus or his disciples at all


he must have been NOTHING in his generation



Romans made it all up later


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religion is just mind control of the old days . normal educated people wont fall for that . nice books and im not here to offend annybody because its your right to choose to believe wat you want . i only hope they stop these silly religious wars thats bin going on for thousends of years .
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Probably because it's what we refer to as OLD TESTAMENT.

Written prior to Jesus arrival.

Wow, the dumbing down thing is worse than I thought.
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he had no impact on them at all

they dont mention him

it seems from this the whole Jesus story is a fabrication

if they were jews thinking he was bad


they would have wrote that


they did not mention Jesus at all
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.....The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents made before 100 B.C.

These were Essenes Jewish texts.

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"Although the Qumran community existed during the time of the ministry of Jesus, none of the Scrolls refer to Him, nor do they mention any of His follower's described in the New Testament."

[link to www.centuryone.com]

" The texts could be interpreted as buttressing skeptical contentions that the New Testament was purposely shaped to fit Jewish expectations and did not recount actual events."

[link to www.time.com]
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.....The texts are of great religious and historical significance, as they include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents made before 100 B.C.

These were Essenes Jewish texts.

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It wasn't an essenic community. Scholars assumed it was essenic but there was no archeological finds to support their claims. There were at least 24 different spiritual sects that had followed different prophets prior to 100BC. It was much like the new age today a vast amount of different belief systems until the Rabii's closed down the prophet/mystery schools in the middle east. Spiritual Israel is different to Orthodox Israel.



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Just because they don't use the name Jesus doesn't mean someone like him wasn't referred to in a number of texts.


There is considerable mention of the "Righteous Teacher" and another character known as the "Liar".


From his excellent scholarship, Robert Eisenman all but proved in his book "James the Brother of Jesus" that considerable hanky-panky went on with first the Roman government and then again when Constantine got his hands on the religion in 325 ad.

His assumption, and I believe it is a solid one, is that the Righteous Teacher was Jesus/Yeshua/Issa and the Liar was Paul. I'm not sure if I judge Paul as harshly, but I haven't quite finished Eisenman's book. Lots to digest there.



I consider his book recommended reading for all Christians, actually, to reduce the importance of Paul in scripture and increase the value of Jesus' direct teachings and reliance upon prayer and direct moves of the Holy Spirit.





So, if the OP wants to actually study the scrolls and not just posture hisself against the history of the church and the relatively innocent believers who assemble it today, then he may be of some positive use in the world. MOST who follow this faith are not part of the conspiracy to control others, so just back down with your vitriol and aim better next time.


You need not go after the history of Jesus to attack those in power now who ARE culpable in continuing the charade begun in 325 ad. But in your rush to make the earth better removing them from their power trip, you harm way too many that do not deserve it.


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Just because they don't use the name Jesus doesn't mean someone like him wasn't referred to in a number of texts.


There is considerable mention of the "Righteous Teacher" and another character known as the "Liar".


From his excellent scholarship, Robert Eisenman all but proved in his book "James the Brother of Jesus" that considerable hanky-panky went on with first the Roman government and then again when Constantine got his hands on the religion in 325 ad.

His assumption, and I believe it is a solid one, is that the Righteous Teacher was Jesus/Yeshua/Issa and the Liar was Paul. I'm not sure if I judge Paul as harshly, but I haven't quite finished Eisenman's book. Lots to digest there.



I consider his book recommended reading for all Christians, actually, to reduce the importance of Paul in scripture and increase the value of Jesus' direct teachings and reliance upon prayer and direct moves of the Holy Spirit.





So, if the OP wants to actually study the scrolls and not just posture hisself against the history of the church and the relatively innocent believers who assemble it today, then he may be of some positive use in the world. MOST who follow this faith are not part of the conspiracy to control others, so just back down with your vitriol and aim better next time.


You need not go after the history of Jesus to attack those in power now who ARE culpable in continuing the charade begun in 325 ad. But in your rush to make the earth better removing them from their power trip, you harm way too many that do not deserve it.


Cheers
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I dont think most people have the brain power to read that book - it is a real scholastic work and long as hell.

I actually thought his conclusion was that James was the Teacher of Righteousness. And that the Essenes or more appropriately were the early Christians.
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Just because they don't use the name Jesus doesn't mean someone like him wasn't referred to in a number of texts.


There is considerable mention of the "Righteous Teacher" and another character known as the "Liar".


From his excellent scholarship, Robert Eisenman all but proved in his book "James the Brother of Jesus" that considerable hanky-panky went on with first the Roman government and then again when Constantine got his hands on the religion in 325 ad.

His assumption, and I believe it is a solid one, is that the Righteous Teacher was Jesus/Yeshua/Issa and the Liar was Paul. I'm not sure if I judge Paul as harshly, but I haven't quite finished Eisenman's book. Lots to digest there.



I consider his book recommended reading for all Christians, actually, to reduce the importance of Paul in scripture and increase the value of Jesus' direct teachings and reliance upon prayer and direct moves of the Holy Spirit.





So, if the OP wants to actually study the scrolls and not just posture hisself against the history of the church and the relatively innocent believers who assemble it today, then he may be of some positive use in the world. MOST who follow this faith are not part of the conspiracy to control others, so just back down with your vitriol and aim better next time.


You need not go after the history of Jesus to attack those in power now who ARE culpable in continuing the charade begun in 325 ad. But in your rush to make the earth better removing them from their power trip, you harm way too many that do not deserve it.


Cheers


I dont think most people have the brain power to read that book - it is a real scholastic work and long as hell.

I actually thought his conclusion was that James was the Teacher of Righteousness. And that the Essenes or more appropriately were the early Christians.
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I actually thought his conclusion was that James was the Teacher of Righteousness. And that the Essenes or more appropriately were the early Christians.

right you guys make everything into jesus like that what the bible is about

the qumron community was destroyed by the Romans many years after Jesus

they did not write a thing about him

except in the eyes of some people who want to see it


but in truth he had no impact on the people in his generation

Even Josephus did not mention him


christians added it later everyone knows this !
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The teacher of rightiousness had religious legal views more severe than the Pharisees

they were absolute legal extremist


nothing like Christians at all
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Re: Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls
Just because they don't use the name Jesus doesn't mean someone like him wasn't referred to in a number of texts.


There is considerable mention of the "Righteous Teacher" and another character known as the "Liar".


From his excellent scholarship, Robert Eisenman all but proved in his book "James the Brother of Jesus" that considerable hanky-panky went on with first the Roman government and then again when Constantine got his hands on the religion in 325 ad.

His assumption, and I believe it is a solid one, is that the Righteous Teacher was Jesus/Yeshua/Issa and the Liar was Paul. I'm not sure if I judge Paul as harshly, but I haven't quite finished Eisenman's book. Lots to digest there.



I consider his book recommended reading for all Christians, actually, to reduce the importance of Paul in scripture and increase the value of Jesus' direct teachings and reliance upon prayer and direct moves of the Holy Spirit.





So, if the OP wants to actually study the scrolls and not just posture hisself against the history of the church and the relatively innocent believers who assemble it today, then he may be of some positive use in the world. MOST who follow this faith are not part of the conspiracy to control others, so just back down with your vitriol and aim better next time.


You need not go after the history of Jesus to attack those in power now who ARE culpable in continuing the charade begun in 325 ad. But in your rush to make the earth better removing them from their power trip, you harm way too many that do not deserve it.


Cheers


I dont think most people have the brain power to read that book - it is a real scholastic work and long as hell.

I actually thought his conclusion was that James was the Teacher of Righteousness. And that the Essenes or more appropriately were the early Christians.




I actually thought his conclusion was that James was the Teacher of Righteousness. And that the Essenes or more appropriately were the early Christians.

right you guys make everything into jesus like that what the bible is about

the qumron community was destroyed by the Romans many years after Jesus

they did not write a thing about him

except in the eyes of some people who want to see it


but in truth he had no impact on the people in his generation

Even Josephus did not mention him


christians added it later everyone knows this !
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Whats up bro. We got to remember Paul's letters were the first to mention Christ, now if people really read between the lines - it seems like his Christ was a distant mythological character, there is no mention of a relatively recent Christ. The Second Coming expected would actually be the 1st appearance of Jesus in the 1st century AD. Thats what the Essenes were trying to figure out. The evidence points to Joshua of the OT as being the original prototype for Jesus. The man who was sacrificed in Sinai represented by Moses raising up the staff, it was a theory floating around Judaism. The Gospels were written around Paul's Epsitles, the OT, and current Rabbinical trends. Crazy shit.
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The teacher of rightiousness had religious legal views more severe than the Pharisees

they were absolute legal extremist


nothing like Christians at all
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The real Christians were legalistic (brothers zealous for law according to Acts), thats why they were trying to kill Paul.
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Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls ?

That community was only a few years after Jesus

hundreds of scrolls of all types

no mention of Jesus or his disciples at all


he must have been NOTHING in his generation



Romans made it all up later


righteousness
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Jesus came aftetr the dead sea scrolls had been buried.
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Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls ?

That community was only a few years after Jesus

hundreds of scrolls of all types

no mention of Jesus or his disciples at all


he must have been NOTHING in his generation



Romans made it all up later


righteousness


Jesus came aftetr the dead sea scrolls had been buried.
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No one knows for sure. Most likely they were finally buried in 120 AD - when the Romans flushed out the countryside.
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jesus is just a black op to control the gentiles with.
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jesus is just a black op to control the gentiles with.
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i entertained that idea, but really the church has been fuckin jews up throughout history.
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Even Josephus did not mention him

christians added it later everyone knows this !
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Actually, he mentiones Jesus twice:

First, in a section in Book 18 dealing with various actions of Pilate, the extant texts refer to Jesus and his ministry. This passage is known as the Testimonium Flavianum referred to hereafter as the "TF".

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.

Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3

Second, in Book 20 there is what could be called a passing reference to Jesus in a paragraph describing the murder of Jesus' brother, James, at the hands of Ananus, the High Priest.

But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.
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Another great thread OP -- hf

Thread: If Jesus is the messiah why didn't he do anything Good ?

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Dead Sea Scrolls predate Christ and are believed written around 200 BC by the Essenes...
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First, only a fraction of the scrools were ever retrieved. Many of them were destroyed or just "turned to dust" after they were discovered.

Second, the written word was not trusted over the "oral tradition" of passing down spiritual truth until after Jesus resurrection. This is why the gospels were not written down until many years later. Many believed that the end would come shortly and there would be no need for a written record.

And lastly, no one could predict the effect of the gospel of Christ, that it would completely destroy the pagan world and have it burried under the rise of the gospel of Christ. It literally changed the world as they knew it, and they could not have been prepared for what it would do to the Gentile world, let alone how it changed the Jewish world.
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Real Simpleabomb

Dead Sea Scrolls predate Christ and are believed written around 200 BC by the Essenes...
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Might want to actually do some research before blathering on about a subject next time OP. You are making yourself look stupidthwak
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Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53
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Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53
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He should have at least been mentioned
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and this one:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7
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Actually, AC, those were the prophecies that may have been fulfilled by the Jesus/Yeshua/Issa/Joshua character, and cannot simultaneously be that and proof.

But the fact that the Book of Isaiah contained with Dead Sea Scrolls grouping of texts were 'dot and tittle' identical to that which has passed through the ages did at least kill a Jewish conspiracy theory that Isaiah's book had been altered AFTER the time of Jesus/Yeshua/Issa/Joshua.


Thanks for reminding me of Eisenman's premise, I struggled as much with HIS seeming desire to eliminate all traces of Jesus and ridicule Paul into submission as I did with his incredibly dense language.

He aims for James, I tend to see an echo of someone that became the legendary Jesus. I'm still holding out that pure asceticism isn't the way to get close to God...at least not the ONLY way!


For THIS hedonist, my fantasy still includes God sampling creation through each and every one of us, so denial of our sensory input (which is what the ascetics seem to crave) is against God's overall Will for most of us. Why else would our blatant five senses be so darned powerful over our psyches?! (or at least distracting us from the Other just beyond it all)


Jesus (even that which leaked through the purgings of the Romans, the codification of Constantine, the further purgings of the Roman church through the times of the Crusades and the Dark Ages, then the dilution of the latter splintering protestants and worse) always sounds more like how I'd like a God to encounter Creation.



He was a partying guy, and hung out with some wonderfully unsavory characters. Turned water into some awesome wine, tried to teach his dudes to surf without boards. "Be the Wave" or something like that. Put it in the face of the establishment because they had turned beautifully inspired worship of the Maker into some profit enterprise...and control mechanism of the people instead of enablers on the path to said Maker. When he saw need, he did what he could to help turn the situation positive. All very righteous stuff.

And for that, he gets dissed because somebody forgot to mention him in the credits later?! Nah. There was a servant/leader around that time who taught the rules for this current age. We're near the end of the age, so you cannot be blamed for losing your desire to follow this one, but time is not yet wrapped up. I think we'll know when that is...if it comes in a way we expect, I guess. If it comes at all.



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Actually, AC, those were the prophecies that may have been fulfilled by the Jesus/Yeshua/Issa/Joshua character, and cannot simultaneously be that and proof.

But the fact that the Book of Isaiah contained with Dead Sea Scrolls grouping of texts were 'dot and tittle' identical to that which has passed through the ages did at least kill a Jewish conspiracy theory that Isaiah's book had been altered AFTER the time of Jesus/Yeshua/Issa/Joshua.


Thanks for reminding me of Eisenman's premise, I struggled as much with HIS seeming desire to eliminate all traces of Jesus and ridicule Paul into submission as I did with his incredibly dense language.

He aims for James, I tend to see an echo of someone that became the legendary Jesus. I'm still holding out that pure asceticism isn't the way to get close to God...at least not the ONLY way!


For THIS hedonist, my fantasy still includes God sampling creation through each and every one of us, so denial of our sensory input (which is what the ascetics seem to crave) is against God's overall Will for most of us. Why else would our blatant five senses be so darned powerful over our psyches?! (or at least distracting us from the Other just beyond it all)


Jesus (even that which leaked through the purgings of the Romans, the codification of Constantine, the further purgings of the Roman church through the times of the Crusades and the Dark Ages, then the dilution of the latter splintering protestants and worse) always sounds more like how I'd like a God to encounter Creation.



He was a partying guy, and hung out with some wonderfully unsavory characters. Turned water into some awesome wine, tried to teach his dudes to surf without boards. "Be the Wave" or something like that. Put it in the face of the establishment because they had turned beautifully inspired worship of the Maker into some profit enterprise...and control mechanism of the people instead of enablers on the path to said Maker. When he saw need, he did what he could to help turn the situation positive. All very righteous stuff.

And for that, he gets dissed because somebody forgot to mention him in the credits later?! Nah. There was a servant/leader around that time who taught the rules for this current age. We're near the end of the age, so you cannot be blamed for losing your desire to follow this one, but time is not yet wrapped up. I think we'll know when that is...if it comes in a way we expect, I guess. If it comes at all.



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You are closer to the "only way" than you might have previously thought.

There was a group that held to the true teachings, who were persecuted by THE church. Who sought to preserve the words apart from the romans. There is a kinsman redeemer that bought our way to God through his own sacrifice that requires none from you. Name me any other belief other than true christianity that teaches that the sacrifice was paid by the Detiy himself and there is nothing you can do to earn eternity/heaven/a relationship with that Deity. There is none. It is not found in heretical roman mary worship, It is not found in the eastern mystics. It is not found in allah. It is not found in any other belief system.

Yeshua died so that you might live. He only asks that you trust in what He did for you so you would not suffer a hell not even created for you. That is all. That is pure. That is called the Grace of God.
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Re: Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls
I surely trust that I am indeed on my way somehow closer to the Being Which Made All This, but my mere humanity never ceases to amaze me.


I also trust that the path I tread is NOT the only one...would that I could wish it even upon someone I hated, the lessons are so tough to learn...but when the Maker I perceive in Its infinite creativity and individuality goes as far as breathing each snowflake its own way, form, and timing...I certainly hope it affords at least our class of sentient beings a few ways to figure it all out.


I do not subscribe to there being only one way that each of us must somehow discover, or God loses the universal karmic bet He made for reasons beyond my understanding.


I DO believe that Jesus/Yeshua/Issa/Joshua is holding the gate or door wide open for each of us...but I'm not sure He would care if we noticed Him or not. True servant that He is for all of us throughout all time. Better that we do notice him, but if someone gets so consumed by the blatant five senses to never imagine (or yet even trust) going beyond...how can they be faulted?! Not by any loving God, one who learns from His creation's freewill choices and thoughts...and hopefully laughs at our jokes.


I do think there is something about that one parable about having the right clothes for the wedding, but any honest approach asking, seeking, and even knocking as any inquisitive child would do always and always yields a positive response.


Might be something to the observations of the Essenes through their scrolls...if only to blow apart the Telegraph/Phone game that has been made of Christianity over the past two thousand years.


Maybe then this enigmatic fellow might have the opportunity to regroup...gather the troups, as it were.


Cheers!
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Re: Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls
If Jesus was such a threat to the Rabbi's

and he had many Jewish followers why not a word

about him in the dead sea scrolls



It contains alot of religious political material



Jesus must have been mostly a Roman exaggeration fabrication


He certainly did not have much effect on ancient Jerusalem

like described in the New Testament.
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Re: Why is there no mention of jesus in the dead sea scrolls
If Jesus was such a threat to the Rabbi's

and he had many Jewish followers why not a word

about him in the dead sea scrolls



It contains alot of religious political material



Jesus must have been mostly a Roman exaggeration fabrication


He certainly did not have much effect on ancient Jerusalem

like described in the New Testament.

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