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Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?

 
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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?
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I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.
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You want to stop terrorism?

When you capture a terrorist, you bury the fucker up to his neck, pour some pig blood on him and let women and children stone him to death on CNN.

You wont be seeing any more of the goat fuckers if you give them a fate worse than death.


That wont stop them. Remember... a war is being fought. If all's you needed to do is kill them horribly when caught, then war wouldnt last very long, would it? Humans arent so easily intimidated, they tend to get more determined...


>>General Pershing proved you wrong long before you were born.


how so? You seem to be mixing official prisoners of war, and the fine line of a GI deciding to kill a defenceless enemy on the spot (usually out of rage, or an implicit understanding from COs to take no prisoners).


>>Yet again, your OPINION is of no matter to me. I do not care how I 'seem' to you and your bias.


You are awfully sensitive. I said "you seem to". Which is an invitation to clarify your position.
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>>Amazing. I am responding to your emotional tirades with logic and you accuse me of being 'sensitive'. Sounds like a classic case of projection to me.
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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.
 Quoting: ABO

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.
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You want to stop terrorism?

When you capture a terrorist, you bury the fucker up to his neck, pour some pig blood on him and let women and children stone him to death on CNN.

You wont be seeing any more of the goat fuckers if you give them a fate worse than death.


That wont stop them. Remember... a war is being fought. If all's you needed to do is kill them horribly when caught, then war wouldnt last very long, would it? Humans arent so easily intimidated, they tend to get more determined...


>>General Pershing proved you wrong long before you were born.


how so? You seem to be mixing official prisoners of war, and the fine line of a GI deciding to kill a defenceless enemy on the spot (usually out of rage, or an implicit understanding from COs to take no prisoners).


>>Yet again, your OPINION is of no matter to me. I do not care how I 'seem' to you and your bias.


You are awfully sensitive. I said "you seem to". Which is an invitation to clarify your position.


>>Amazing. I am responding to your emotional tirades with logic and you accuse me of being 'sensitive'. Sounds like a classic case of projection to me.
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Yeah, you are projecting all right. I have been civil and calm throughout while you cant make one post without resorting to emotional outbursts...
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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.
 Quoting: Jimmy2times 636253


Really? Fighting violence as a change agent with violence is pretty ridiculous. I recognize Al Qaeda as America's enemy, not civil wars, insurrections, revolutions, wars independence or oppression, or armed struggles that happen to be threatening to govts friendly to America. And terrorism itself? A despicable method, not an enemy itself. And since terrorism doesnt bring any sympathy for a cause, IMO it usually is employed as a false flag to discredit an enemy. Or permits govts to clamp down on liberties for all. Al Qaeda does seem to have fascist tactics using terrorism to make Arab govts, and the US and Europe, become repressive societies in the name of security. It seems to be working....
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I know why. we're a nation of laws. that might sound like bullshit geven the vast inequities in our society but i also think bush and cheney deserve a trial before hanging as well. remember haebeas corpus?
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Because Obama like the others in Congress are lawyers and they are above everyone else and they must make money.
I think the Devil should smite them down soon, although they will say it is God, well, that is God's plan for their insistence on dictating those whims they keep coming up with, saying that they - and they alone - run this Country.

Back to the Future movie was a relief from that when Marty went into the future and lawyers were banned and the trial lasted a couple of hours, and not days, weeks, months, on who is who, when most people who are normal don't give a frack how important they all think that they are.

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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.


Really? Fighting violence as a change agent with violence is pretty ridiculous. I recognize Al Qaeda as America's enemy, not civil wars, insurrections, revolutions, wars independence or oppression, or armed struggles that happen to be threatening to govts friendly to America. And terrorism itself? A despicable method, not an enemy itself. And since terrorism doesnt bring any sympathy for a cause, IMO it usually is employed as a false flag to discredit an enemy. Or permits govts to clamp down on liberties for all. Al Qaeda does seem to have fascist tactics using terrorism to make Arab govts, and the US and Europe, become repressive societies in the name of security. It seems to be working....
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What you don't seem to get is that Violence was not our first choice and not even the preffered choice.

Violence is the first last and only choice for some and the current group goes by the name of Al Qaeda.

Remember the plans to create a MASTER ARYAN RACE? It's the same mentality except this time it's not a race but a MASTER RELIGION.

Americans of all faiths and races do not want a MASTER anything..
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What you don't seem to get is that Violence was not our first choice and not even the preffered choice.

Violence is the first last and only choice for some and the current group goes by the name of Al Qaeda.

Remember the plans to create a MASTER ARYAN RACE? It's the same mentality except this time it's not a race but a MASTER RELIGION.

Americans of all faiths and races do not want a MASTER anything..
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what you do not seem to get is that this war is about the control of oil rich territories and a pipe line. the "master" plan is to also surround china and strangle it to keep it from getting so powerful that china's quasi/communism controls our business model. you seem to think that we actually have spent trillions on fighting an enemy who hides in caves and fights with ak's and rpg's. wtf
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Al CIAda is sponsored by the NWO scum so they can implement new laws. But I guess it's impossible to understand when your IQ is lower than average.
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
if you want to end the totally justified hatred of amerikkka then stop murdering their children and stealing their oil. this goes for south america as well. or do you not know about shell oil in s.a.? when you repeatedly attack a people who have something that you want (oil). they begin, rather quickly to hate you. they cannot match our military might but they can do sneaky shit like we did to the brits in the revolution. you use what is available. remember, in the eyes of the world, bush is a hundred times the terrorist that bin laden is. this is like grammar school stuff for me. patently obvious.
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He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.
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HES NOT AN AMERICAN YOU WORTHLESS SACK OF SHIT! HES NOT PROTECTED BY THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS? HE IS AN ENEMY IN A WAR, HE SHOULD BE IN A POW CAMP.
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What I want to know is what a trial will prove.

There were all these like, witnesses and stuff, like you know sitting around him watching him try to set his balls on fire.

Oh there we go, I just figured it out; the explosives next to his junk were planted on him and he was really trying to set a fart on fire.

That's what was going on, it's all just a big misunderstanding.
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minaswell trow my 2 sense in. Heers the way i sees it.

watsis name obamania is the pottus. pottuses don go round kritizizing past pottuses, even tho they tink he's guilty so, say he to the YuoAss aturneys - prossecute and try these sand scrapers in NYC with the hoppes that mebbe they can dig deep enuf to finially point the finiger at the real 9-11 culpricks, cuz Bush cliamed publickly that he wants the guilty punnished

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hey PACNWguy, any kind of torture gives information but its mostly bad information that is why it does not work.
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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.


Really? Fighting violence as a change agent with violence is pretty ridiculous. I recognize Al Qaeda as America's enemy, not civil wars, insurrections, revolutions, wars independence or oppression, or armed struggles that happen to be threatening to govts friendly to America. And terrorism itself? A despicable method, not an enemy itself. And since terrorism doesnt bring any sympathy for a cause, IMO it usually is employed as a false flag to discredit an enemy. Or permits govts to clamp down on liberties for all. Al Qaeda does seem to have fascist tactics using terrorism to make Arab govts, and the US and Europe, become repressive societies in the name of security. It seems to be working....

What you don't seem to get is that Violence was not our first choice and not even the preffered choice.

Violence is the first last and only choice for some and the current group goes by the name of Al Qaeda.

Remember the plans to create a MASTER ARYAN RACE? It's the same mentality except this time it's not a race but a MASTER RELIGION.

Americans of all faiths and races do not want a MASTER anything..
 Quoting: Jimmy2times 636253


I am not disagreeing with you totally. But we were discussing the definition of terms, ie war on terror or war on Al Qaeda. You mentioned the enemy as ANYONE using violence as an agent of change (presumably against the US). But the US is invading countries and warring and the nationals will, naturally, war in return. And Al Qaeda will naturally follow the fight. But you cannot fight anyone using violence on the pretext that they are part of a nebulous war on terror; you cannot say we wont negotiate peace because they are terrorists -- at least not the vast majority of them. The US is fighting them because they arent submitting totally, and the US doesnt want peace until its strategic goals are met. Period. Terrorism is a minor nuisance in comparison to the bigger picture. Not even attacks on US soil will deter it. As the war drags on -- the longest one in US history -- expect even more radical changes to Americans lifestyle. That is to be expected and IMO it will bring a healthy dose of reality for people who participate in war. Afterall, if you dont understand the meaning of the sacrifices in war, what's the point?

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How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...
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theres plenty of accounts of germans prisoners banging american women. also german soldiers were allowed to sit in the front of the movie theaters but the black ameiricans were segregated. yeah equal but seperate. fuck racist amerikkka.
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He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.

Show me where in the Constitution that it says it is to be applied to citizens of foreign countries that attack the US?
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Maybe it does in the "World Government Constitution".
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He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?



Because that is the law. Of course maybe you dont believe in the Constitution.

Show me where in the Constitution that it says it is to be applied to citizens of foreign countries that attack the US?



Maybe it does in the "World Government Constitution".
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parts of the US Constitution are suspended under Bush, for everybody. Obama hasnt changed it. And there is no World Constitution, and the New world Order is no different than the Old world order except the US military has no serious challenges.,,,
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He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?
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He loves the muslism because he is a muslim.
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hey PACNWguy, any kind of torture gives information but its mostly bad information that is why it does not work.
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That is such bull shit. Torture works just fine when you know the kind of info the person knows.

The anti Bush pukes will say otherwise but for thousands of years torture has been used very successfully to extract intel.

Im not condoning torture but to say it doesnt work is a lie.

I dont believe waterbording is torture as people volunteer to be waterborded and it causes no long term harm.

I consider torture to be something where you would use a black n decker tool to get the job done. Like our enemies do.
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hey PACNWguy, any kind of torture gives information but its mostly bad information that is why it does not work.


That is such bull shit. Torture works just fine when you know the kind of info the person knows.

The anti Bush pukes will say otherwise but for thousands of years torture has been used very successfully to extract intel.

Im not condoning torture but to say it doesnt work is a lie.

I dont believe waterbording is torture as people volunteer to be waterborded and it causes no long term harm.

I consider torture to be something where you would use a black n decker tool to get the job done. Like our enemies do.
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You are condoning torture, and almost admit it. But like Bush you then move the goalposts and squirm to say it isnt torture. The US has been torturing and teaching torture techniques for decades, especially to Latin America murderers -- nothing new there,,,,

And you wouldnt know about "long term harm" if it hit you in the head. Been raped lately?

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What does the "Constitution" say about illegal war?

Have you gotten your Senators and Reps who voted to fund the war fired?

Have you been paying taxes?
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What? This forum no one pays taxes... you must be a newbie :)
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01/08/2010 07:49 PM
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
Giving him the benefit of the doubt...

He wants to show the world that we are a nation of laws, that we are not just a bunch of blood thirsty, Arab hating, Islam fearing people.

He also thinks that in doing so, those in the Arab world and maybe even all followers of Islam will look at this and go...oh America is not so bad, maybe Islam is wrong about America being the great Satan...

To put it bluntly, he is NAIVE...

Mind you, this is the benefit of the doubt...Being liberal he believes that they (the terrorist) would stop what they do if they only understood how much they (Liberals) care about them and want to help them enjoy a long life.

Just like HealthCare being a right in their mind.. Not a responsibilty...

While Obama and his bunch try and play the, America is sorry because America was and is wrong, game. They want nothing less than the death of every single person that calls themselves anything other than MUSLIM.

He should be encouraging and supporting the protest in Iran, and he should call a meeting ASAP of as many of the leaders of the Arab world that will attend and make it very clear that we, America and the rest of the free world, has had enough of this shit and if they continue to sit back and do nothing to stop these people, then all bets are off.

Make it clear that anyone caught alive after attempting something like this will be put to death, swiftly and immediately and we will go after the shit holes those that send them, hide in no matter where on earth that shit hole is, and that includes New York, Detroit, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc..




This is just what he hopes you believe. He has an agenda, no doubt about it.

To hell with them and their oil or whatever else they sell to us.....

If the free world united against this shit, we could wipe it out in a matter of years...

The protest in Iran deserve our SUPPORT openly and honestly.
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
Pac...this civilian trial will be the vehicle to bring the king pins down.

Yeah!

In a military trial he would have been railroaded and the real perpetrators of 9/11 would remain free.
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
Gee I can''t find a thread from Pac getting mad at the trial of the Shoe Bomber?????? HMMMM but I guess that was OK huh....
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
TO RE-ENFORCE THE IDEA THAT IT WAS
DONE BY MUSLIM EXTREMIST

WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY A ZIONIST FALSE FLAG ATTACK.


SORRY BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET YOU

ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT AND THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO HOPE

FOR YOU.
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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
He sends in an air strike to kill and destroy them without any warning and then when we go in and drag out the bodies, if one is alive he gives him his miranda rights and legal aid and ships him back to stand traial for up to $200 million in costs to the taxpayer with all the rights that any liquor store robber gets.

Why is that?
 Quoting: PACNWguy

Pac! I've missed your dem/repug rants!

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Re: Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?
How is the Iraq war part of the war on terrorism?


>>Maybe it has something to do with the tens and hundreds of thousands of terrorists we have killed and captured in Iraq.


That statement shows you arent very informed. Or you like to delude yourself and sleep better at night...
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ummmm, okay, I guess you sleep better at night......


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