Why does Obama feel obligated to give Alqaeda Terrorists who survive a cave bombing - a multi million dollar civilian trial in NYC?

>>As I have said, I do see it up close and personal. You see nothing.


I dont believe you.


>>Your misguided and uninformed beliefs matter not to me.


They seem to matter alot to you. And I made a statement of fact (not a belief) about war that you cant accept.


>>No. You gave your misguided, warped, and uninformed opinion upon a subject that you have only been TOLD about.


I have lived in war. No one TOLD me about it. But you cannot even broach the subject. Just useless bravado.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.

>>As I have said, I do see it up close and personal. You see nothing.


I dont believe you.


>>Your misguided and uninformed beliefs matter not to me.


They seem to matter alot to you. And I made a statement of fact (not a belief) about war that you cant accept.


>>No. You gave your misguided, warped, and uninformed opinion upon a subject that you have only been TOLD about.


I have lived in war. No one TOLD me about it. But you cannot even broach the subject. Just useless bravado.



>>"I don't believe you." -ABO

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.


I was just responding to the OP's concern about tax dollars. It seems to be a mute argument...

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


>>They were shot on the spot, idiot... as well as german snipers who were not wearing uniforms in the European theatre.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


>>They were shot on the spot, idiot... as well as german snipers who were not wearing uniforms in the European theatre.


The german soldiers in question received a trial.

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All eight were put on trial before a seven-member military tribunal on specific instructions from President Franklin D. Roosevelt. They were charged with 1) violating the law of war; 2) violating Article 81 of the Articles of War, defining the offense of corresponding with or giving intelligence to the enemy; 3) violating Article 82 of the Articles of War, defining the offense of spying; and 4) conspiracy to commit the offenses alleged in the first three charges.

Lawyers for the accused, who included Lauson Stone and Kenneth Royall, attempted to have the case tried in a civilian court but were rebuffed by the Supreme Court of the United States in Ex parte Quirin. The trial was held in the Department of Justice building in Washington. All eight defendants were found guilty and sentenced to death. Roosevelt commuted Burger's sentence to life and Dasch's to 30 years, because they had turned themselves in and provided information about the others. The others were executed on August 8, 1942 in the electric chair on the third floor of the District of Columbia jail and buried in a potter's field called Blue Plains in the Anacostia area of Washington. In 1948, President Harry S. Truman granted executive clemency to Dasch and Burger on the condition that they be deported to the American Zone of occupied Germany.

I have no problem with military tribunals before you shoot the fuckers. Just do it quick.

I have no problem with military tribunals before you shoot the fuckers. Just do it quick.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.

How much does it cost to have out of country specialised fully equipped and manned prisons? Or is the complaint that bringing the war home will make Americans feel uncomfortable, make it all too real?


>>The Geneva Convention provides for prisoner of war camps to be set up for enemy combatants.



War camps are for lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants (terrorists and spies) get a firing squad and no trial. Most countries dont give them any rights of any kind.

Roosevelt did that when he captured German soldiers on US soil out of uniform. No prison camp, just a bullet in their fucking hearts was all they were entitled to receive under US code.

Death...


They received a trial if they were captured alive.


Unlawful combatants go before a quickie military tribunal before they are executed. Its takes a couple of weeks and costs the taxpayers only the cost of a bullet and a last meal. Quick and easy.

Why do you want to give the crotch bomber a trial in a civilian court? You want to have to prove he is guilty? Why?


Pampered better than Americans? Where did you hear that?

Military tribunals have defence lawyers and they last as long as it takes. Maybe he is going to civilian trial because there is doubt that he is an Al Qaeda operative? That is who the enemy is, isnt it? He will be charged, given a defence lawyer, and be most probably found guilty based on the evidence. What's the problem? The sentence? The civilian trial? A defence lawyer? The cost?

If I'm not mistaken, the rules of discovery are different for the two arenas..

We have people in the field that DESERVE protection as well as the way in which we operate at home and abroad.

Wouldn't want a mistrial... and why risk it when it is not necessary?


I offered a possible explanation. In reality I dont understand this "war on terror", if it is more than a war on Al Qaeda.

I get what you're saying but I only hope it doesn't take being in a building when a plane flies into it or being on a plane and watching someone set their balls on fire for understanding to be had.

It is a war on any group of people that only choose violence as a change agent.

Again, my opinion.


Really? Fighting violence as a change agent with violence is pretty ridiculous. I recognize Al Qaeda as America's enemy, not civil wars, insurrections, revolutions, wars independence or oppression, or armed struggles that happen to be threatening to govts friendly to America. And terrorism itself? A despicable method, not an enemy itself. And since terrorism doesnt bring any sympathy for a cause, IMO it usually is employed as a false flag to discredit an enemy. Or permits govts to clamp down on liberties for all. Al Qaeda does seem to have fascist tactics using terrorism to make Arab govts, and the US and Europe, become repressive societies in the name of security. It seems to be working....

What you don't seem to get is that Violence was not our first choice and not even the preffered choice.

Violence is the first last and only choice for some and the current group goes by the name of Al Qaeda.

Remember the plans to create a MASTER ARYAN RACE? It's the same mentality except this time it's not a race but a MASTER RELIGION.

Americans of all faiths and races do not want a MASTER anything..