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No, the Cold Doesn't Mean No Global Warming

 
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No, the Cold Doesn't Mean No Global Warming
No, the cold snap in some parts of the northern hemisphere (New York, Florida, Beijing, Northern India, Europe) does not mean that manmade global warming is not happening, or even that it's happening just a little less.
This is, of course, an old story...and more and more 5th graders are bringing it home from their science classes to get their parents up to date on the latest climate science.

Bottom line -- fast and simple? Three points:

1. Weather is not climate.

2. Manmade global warming means less frequent cold snaps (not none at all) and more frequent heat waves -- just as we've been having.

3. You know (don't you?) about the record high temperatures this week in Washington State, Alaska and Bulgaria in the Northern Hemisphere -- plus, down south, the record-breaking high temperatures in New Zealand, and the second hottest year on record (after 2005) in Australia?

Take a look at a piece, "Weather Is Not Climate," that my ABC News colleague Clayton Sandell and I filed on the same question three years ago.

In it, we spoke to Mark Serreze, a research scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

"The fact that we had a couple of cool months doesn't say anything at all about long-term trends," said Serreze. "It's just a clear example of natural variability on the climate system. The long-term averages are decidedly toward a warming planet.

"We have a gradual warming of Earth's system, but that is interspersed with a strong natural variability in the system," he said. "This is just the way the system works."

Kevin Trenberth, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, agreed.

"Weather is chaotic. It has an infinite amount of variability, and that's just the nature of weather," he said. "Weather dominates on a day-to-day basis, and there will be warmer periods and cooler periods. But it's the overall pattern that gives you the climate."

'It's Not Actually That Cold'

Weather vs. Climate
Or take a look at a blog post by Eoin O'Carroll at the Christian Science Monitor.

In it, he writes, "It's not actually that cold.

"Yes, it takes chutzpah to say this amid reports of seniors in Britain burning books to stay warm, but it's true. It was actually colder in London this week last year....

"It's the same story all over the Northern Hemisphere. Yes, it's colder than what we're used to in January, but we're not breaking very many new temperature records."

Ten Days vs. 20 Years

Weather is short-term and local -- say, the next five or 10 days in the Tri-State Area.

Climate is long-term and regional (or bigger) -- say, the average over the next 20 years in the American Northeast.

If you look at this graph of the past 130 years from the National Climate Data Center, you will see that from year to year there have been sharp spikes and valleys.

In Boulder, Colo., the National Center for Atmospheric Research recently reported that, while the ratio of record hot to record cold days in the 1950s was very roughly 1-to-1, by the 2000s, there were more record hot days by a ratio of 2-to-1.

A Note on the 'Proximate Causes' of the Cold Snap

The weather systems of the planet are highly complex.

This is the reason it's so hard to predict weather -- which is short-term and local -- but easier to predict climate, which is long-term and regional.

It's like the surface of a pot of boiling water. You can't predict whether a bubble will or won't appear at a precise tiny point on the surface exactly five minutes after you turn on the heat, but you can predict what the overall surface will look like overall -- it will be bubbling.

However, modern meteorologists are getting better all the time, and among the partial explanations they now give of the immediate ("proximate") causes of the cold snap are a) that the "rivers of air" -- like the jet stream that flows east to west in the northern hemisphere -- have developed some big dips to the south, which pull down Arctic air into lower latitudes, and b) that something called the AO -- short for Arctic Oscillation -- is relatively weak at the moment.

Since the AO's winds tend to swirl around the north pole and, when they are stronger, keep the cold Arctic air penned in up there, when they are weaker, it can let more frigid air spill down toward the south.

Scientists often advise that, when thinking about weather, or climate -- or anything, really -- it's always important to remember that nothing ever happens for any one reason.

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yes, it does.
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...
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All systems are crashing right now. Pretending we can do anything to reverse it is crazy. Pretending that climate change is humanitys biggest problem is insane. Even if it were possible to stop "climate change" it wouldn't change the fact the we are seeing an extinction or that human beings have overshot the carrying capacity of the earth. We are truly fucked and most of us will die. Deal with it.
Throwing more erroneous useless information into the original arguement.
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...
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>>How about the systemic lying about said cooling trend?
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I just never could get it in my head how it could cool from 1940 thru the 1970s if carbon dioxide causes warming since that was one of the biggest booms for CO2 with power plants going up everywhere and cars becoming more popular.

So it takes 30 or 40 years for CO2 to have an affect?
I'm just trying to get all my science straight. It seems to change every few years.

A Time magazine from the 70's labeled "The Big Freeze"
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What about weather manipulation?
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...
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There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...


There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.
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Then how can 2005 be considered the warmest year on record?
That was a few years back
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...


There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.
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Wrong. 1998 was the warmest year, and the global temp has been going down ever since.

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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...


There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.


Wrong. 1998 was the warmest year, and the global temp has been going down ever since.

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OMG OWNED! YOU OWNED THAT GUY SO HARD!
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Re: No, the Cold Doesn't Mean No Global Warming
has it ever occoured to "climate scientists" that through out earths history there have been cycles of heating and cooling?

ask yourself one very important question about the subject. how did the earth come out of the last ice age? (hint - global warming) keep in mind there were no factories or cars and barely any people compared to now. Co2 wasnt even known to exist back then.

but here we are in a non ice age state. now i ask you OP how in the science did that happen?
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

Just asking...


There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.


Wrong. 1998 was the warmest year, and the global temp has been going down ever since.

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a little harder he might have torn something.
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By the way there is nothing called Global Warming , now it is called Climate Change !
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WHEN DO FUCKING COLLEGE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL? scream
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Re: No, the Cold Doesn't Mean No Global Warming
climate changes everyday.

it was 39*c on monday, and tuesday, and 30*c on thursday, and quite cold tonight - friday.

plenty of change.

it rains in winter, and the suns out in summer.

clouds in the sky on some days, other days there no clouds in the sky.

so now we have to make a Class Category for an obvious process on earth.
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What about the cooling trend over the past 15 years?

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There is no such trend. Every year since 1997 has been warmer than any year before or including 1997.
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No. Every year since 1997 has only been warmer if you only look at selective results and completely miss out half of the available data (case in point; the IGPCC ignoring all results from weather stations in Russia and the CIS - a massive proportion of the Earth's land mass).

Face it you man-made climate change proponents; you have been rumbled. Not by this cold snap, but by a positive avalanche of news about the fraud you have been committing, the data distortion, deliberately inaccurate computer models and big 'green' business interests etc.





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