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BREAKING PHYSICS NEWS!!!------SYMMETRY: GOLDEN RATIO DISCOVERED IN QUANTUM WORLD

 
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BREAKING PHYSICS NEWS!!!------SYMMETRY: GOLDEN RATIO DISCOVERED IN QUANTUM WORLD
*** LHC/CERN hopes to detect the signature of quantum "SUPER symmetry", along with searching for the Higgs-Boson particle.

I'm no physicist, but what little I understand about this stuff is terribly fascinating...

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Golden ratio discovered in a quantum world


Hidden symmetry observed for the first time in solid state matter


Researchers from the Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie (HZB), in cooperation with colleagues from Oxford and Bristol Universities, as well as the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, UK, have for the first time observed a nanoscale symmetry hidden in solid state matter. They have measured the signatures of a symmetry showing the same attributes as the golden ratio famous from art and architecture. The research team is publishing these findings in Science on the 8. January.

On the atomic scale particles do not behave as we know it in the macro-atomic world. New properties emerge which are the result of an effect known as the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. In order to study these nanoscale quantum effects the researchers have focused on the magnetic material cobalt niobate. It consists of linked magnetic atoms, which form chains just like a very thin bar magnet, but only one atom wide and are a useful model for describing ferromagnetism on the nanoscale in solid state matter.

When applying a magnetic field at right angles to an aligned spin the magnetic chain will transform into a new state called quantum critical, which can be thought of as a quantum version of a fractal pattern. Prof. Alan Tennant, the leader of the Berlin group, explains "The system reaches a quantum uncertain – or a Schrödinger cat state. This is what we did in our experiments with cobalt niobate. We have tuned the system exactly in order to turn it quantum critical."

By tuning the system and artificially introducing more quantum uncertainty the researchers observed that the chain of atoms acts like a nanoscale guitar string. Dr. Radu Coldea from Oxford University, who is the principal author of the paper and drove the international project from its inception a decade ago until the present, explains: "Here the tension comes from the interaction between spins causing them to magnetically resonate. For these interactions we found a series (scale) of resonant notes: The first two notes show a perfect relationship with each other. Their frequencies (pitch) are in the ratio of 1.618…, which is the golden ratio famous from art and architecture." Radu Coldea is convinced that this is no coincidence. "It reflects a beautiful property of the quantum system – a hidden symmetry. Actually quite a special one called E8 by mathematicians, and this is its first observation in a material", he explains.

The observed resonant states in cobalt niobate are a dramatic laboratory illustration of the way in which mathematical theories developed for particle physics may find application in nanoscale science and ultimately in future technology. Prof. Tennant remarks on the perfect harmony found in quantum uncertainty instead of disorder. "Such discoveries are leading physicists to speculate that the quantum, atomic scale world may have its own underlying order. Similar surprises may await researchers in other materials in the quantum critical state."

The researchers achieved these results by using a special probe - neutron scattering. It allows physicists to see the actual atomic scale vibrations of a system. Dr. Elisa Wheeler, who has worked at both Oxford University and Berlin on the project, explains "using neutron scattering gives us unrivalled insight into how different the quantum world can be from the every day". However, "the conflicting difficulties of a highly complex neutron experiment integrated with low temperature equipment and precision high field apparatus make this a very challenging undertaking indeed." In order to achieve success "in such challenging experiments under extreme conditions" the HZB in Berlin has brought together world leaders in this field. By combining the special expertise in Berlin whilst taking advantage of the pulsed neutrons at ISIS, near Oxford, permitted a perfect combination of measurements to be made.
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Very interesting... thank you for posting OP

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Very interesting... thank you for posting OP

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You're quite welcome!

Here, have a nearly quantum-scale puppeh:
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seems the cern people may have created more quantum uncertainty than they could handle, things seem to unravel...
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seems the cern people may have created more quantum uncertainty than they could handle, things seem to unravel...
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This discovery wasn't made at LHC/CERN... afro
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nanotubes and cartwheels are the forms seen at the atomic level known as the 'Universal Skeletal Structures,' I've posted this info here somewhere recently(1mo.)ago, may have even attempted a real thread about it, serious truthies found ..
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When applying a magnetic field at right angles to an aligned spin the magnetic chain will transform into a new state called quantum critical, which can be thought of as a quantum version of a fractal pattern. Prof. Alan Tennant, the leader of the Berlin group, explains "The system reaches a quantum uncertain – or a Schrödinger cat state. This is what we did in our experiments with cobalt niobate. We have tuned the system exactly in order to turn it quantum critical."
 Quoting: acadian


Schrödinger's cat Is a blow your mind kind of experiment.
Seems we are playing God/universal observer.

Thanks OP.
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"The system reaches a quantum uncertain – or a Schrödinger cat state. This is what we did in our experiments with cobalt niobate. We have tuned the system exactly in order to turn it quantum critical."


Schrödinger's cat Is a blow your mind kind of experiment.
Seems we are playing God/universal observer.

Thanks OP.
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For sure...we know so little about the cosmos on a macro-scale, but as for the quantum scale? Mind-blowing.

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Ahem...

Pin?

Mebbeh?



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I am the eye with which the Universe beholds herself and knows herself divine.
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The Golden Ratio in sacred geometries of various religions:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
[link to smphillips.8m.com]

It will blow your mind.....
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The Golden Ratio in sacred geometries of various religions:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
[link to smphillips.8m.com]

It will blow your mind.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 854029

forbotten

plez posting, thx
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Tidbits about string theory brought to you by the adorable physicist Brian Cox:

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Great PBS series: The Elegant Universe


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:D
Everything is permitted..
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WOW. It's one thing to discuss the "golden ratio" at the macro-level but to discover it at the atomic...WOW!

Methinks reading a bit more about the "golden ratio" will be worthwhile given this discovery.
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I highly recommend the book "Hyperspace" by Michio Kaku. Great string theory primer for "easier" digestion.
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The Golden Ratio in sacred geometries of various religions:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
[link to smphillips.8m.com]

It will blow your mind.....

forbotten

plez posting, thx
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ya es ist verboten
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WOW. It's one thing to discuss the "golden ratio" at the macro-level but to discover it at the atomic...WOW!

Methinks reading a bit more about the "golden ratio" will be worthwhile given this discovery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 705825


golden mean
golden ratio
golden triangle
golden rectangle
golden spiral
golden law of nature
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13...is the ONE of the KEYS

A golden law of nature that has golden rules to live by.
>>> [link to breakfornews.com]
And if you want more WOW WOW WOW, how about it was embedded into the TAROT all along?

And the CODE is far far far more encompassing as you will see when you view those 6 pages of coincidences at the above link.

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I highly recommend the book "Hyperspace" by Michio Kaku. Great string theory primer for "easier" digestion.
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"Hyperspace" is one of my favorite books! hf


Here are some of my other favorite cosmology-related reads:

"The Elegant Universe", Brian Greene

"The Fabric of the Cosmos", Brian Greene

"Visions", Michio Kaku

"Parallel Worlds", Michio Kaku



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nice thread, OP
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nice thread, OP
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Thank ya kindly, Darwin hf


Here, have a spare kitteh:
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It's too bad none of these 'revelations' actually bring you any power.
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It's too bad none of these 'revelations' actually bring you any power.
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Nothing brings anyone power; surrender to the will of the cosmos...and quit bein' such a buzzkill, man.



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Since they speak of E8 structure, I am assuming they are referencing Garret Lisi's Theory of Everything. It's a theory that explains how this world works, and even predicts some elementary "particles" which haven't been observed yet. Some of them being a kind of a bridge between gravity a electro-magnetism (thus - the Theory of Everything).

As I understood it, in his theory all elementary particles are just different facets of these E8 structures, "rotating" as they move across the canvas of space. Everything can turn into everything else by simple "rotations" of these structures, in energy-balanced interactions.

The theory doesn't explain why this world works the way it does, but it does explain, very well, and quite elegantly, how it works.

Garret explained his theory very nicely in a presentation.

Part 1:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Part 2:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Great thread, thank you for posting it.
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Since they speak of E8 structure, I am assuming they are referencing Garret Lisi's Theory of Everything. It's a theory that explains how this world works, and even predicts some elementary "particles" which haven't been observed yet. Some of them being a kind of a bridge between gravity a electro-magnetism (thus - the Theory of Everything).

As I understood it, in his theory all elementary particles are just different facets of these E8 structures, "rotating" as they move across the canvas of space. Everything can turn into everything else by simple "rotations" of these structures, in energy-balanced interactions.

The theory doesn't explain why this world works the way it does, but it does explain, very well, and quite elegantly, how it works.

Garret explained his theory very nicely in a presentation.

Part 1:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Part 2:
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 860625



I like this guy very much...thank you, AC!






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nice thread, OP


Thank ya kindly, Darwin hf


Here, have a spare kitteh:
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Awesome! I have 9.

I love cats.
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When applying a magnetic field at right angles to an aligned spin the magnetic chain will transform into a new state called quantum critical, which can be thought of as a quantum version of a fractal pattern.

 Quoting: acadian


Great thread OP! Finally the true value of fractals is coming to light. WooHoo.

This amazing vid makes it all much easier to understand - even includes interview with Benoit Mandelbrot himself. Why is it that all great men are totally dissed by the rest in the beginning? Arrrrgh.

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nice thread, OP


Thank ya kindly, Darwin hf


Here, have a spare kitteh:
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Awesome! I have 9.

I love cats.
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We have 12 (yes, 12)...

However, try as I might, I can never get ANY of
them to heed the Heisenberg uncertainty principle;
if they're in a box, they are IN the box...can't
get 'em to disappear.

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