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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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Wow.
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Dr. Mary Meeker is quoted in there, too. Page 54 [link to www.csun.edu]
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rather interesting
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then again
some things can be best expressed Musically
a certain Canadian band does such quite well.
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Book 1, Chapter 2.1 discusses animal senses and their refinement with much emphasis on bioluminescence and the generation of electricity.

"This brief and by no means complete catalog of some of the sensory specializations of animals indicates conclusively that when evolution has developed the proper receptors, animals can extend their sensory powers to degrees almost unbelievable. This introduction, therefore, may serve as a caution that we should not be surprised about the presence of similar powers in human beings.

[link to www.csun.edu]

Even that, too.
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When looking at John Curtis Gowan Wiki page...his work has been inspired by Aldous Huxley and Carl Jung and also derived from the work of Jean Piaget and Erik Erikson.

Clicking through to those Wiki's brings up a lot of interesting connections and questions.

Gowan also worked with E. Paul Torrance. He was a very prolific writer and created the Future Problem Solving Program International - which involves over 250k kids from around the world, annually.

Also look at Torrance's theory: Threshold Hypothesis.
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Hang in there. It is creepy scary in a lot of ways. At the same time, unknowns are scary and that's what we're really dealing with. I'm constantly bouncing between good or bad intentions, what it all means, why and so on. Some days, I appreciate what was done, others I really don't.

Tonight's thoughts--DARPA and their brain drain. Was formed in the same year as the gifted programs started. 6 year maximum employment time so they like to keep their staff rotating --> need a big pool to pull from. Anyways, look into it. I'm thinking good intentions for the gifted program but probably a failure in actually what they did. Hence the brain drain.
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Thank you. I sometimes think I must be looney tunes to be actually thinking something might have happened.

I've been researching and trying to find info on the MGM program and its hard to find much.

I did find the following and I encourage everyone to look up the following info. Its very interesting.

Project Coordinators for the MGM program were:
Joseph P. Rice
Paul D. Plowman
Irving Soto

Contracting agencies (that helped with the formation and curriculum, etc.:
Brooks Research Foundation (of Santa Barbara)
San Fernando Valley State College FOundation
USC

Principle Agents:
Donald D Bushnell
John Gowan (VP of Brooks)
James Magary (The Exceptional Child, 1960)
Mary Meeker (SOI Institute)

I have started digging and there are some interesting finds when you search the above names.

Especially interesting, right now, to me is Mary Meeker and her husband Robert Meeker (Experimental Psychology).

Look up those two names and see what they've done and who Robert Meeker has done analysis for (The Defense Department). Its all VERY interesting.

I'm still going to go back - but suffice it to say - I have A LOT of similarities to the posters on this thread.
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Interesting. Soi Systems is located in Vida, OR, a bustling town with a population of 867. Interesting location to set up shop for something that is being used in classrooms around the country.

Even more interesting is John Gowan just from the wiki alone. Apparently, he formed the National Association for Gifted Children. He also had an apparent interest in psychic phenomena as it "relates to human creativity". Wow, people. Look him up especially. I'd say that he is probably the source for much of the oddities of the various programs.

Very nice finds. I'll keep poking around on them.
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The bolded is a very creative way of spinning that they were and still are interested in the dissociative split based upon psychic wounding and how it relates to human creativity.

Where are the stats of those of us they labeled gifted when what they really were studying was the dissociative split and how that gave us eyes in the back of the heads to envision as we did?

I do not feel like going back to read all the links to find the answer to the question.

Malcolm: "What do you draw now?"
Cole: "People smiling, dogs running... rainbows. They don't have meetings about rainbows. "

-- From movie "The Sixth Sense
The term derives from the Ancient Greek words, meta, meaning beyond or after, and noia, meaning perception or understanding or mind.
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Donald D Bushnell did a study called:

The Effects of Electronic Data Processing in Future Instructional Systems

This study was reproduced for the Defense Documentation Center

[link to www.dtic.mil]

Don Bushnell worked for System Developement Corporation, Santa Monica, CA - in 1963

I'm still in the process of reading, but this popped out almost immediately:

On Page 3 - last paragraph

Another area of potential development in computer applications is the attitudechanging machine. Dr. Bertram Raven, in the Psychology Department at the
University of California at ýos Angeles, is in the process of building a computer based device for changing attitudes.** This device will work on the principle
that students' attitudes can be changed effectively by using the Socratic
method of asking an appropriate series of leading questions logically designed
to right the balance between appropriate attitudes and those deemed less
acceptable. For instance, after first determining a student's constellation
of attitudes through appropriate testing procedures, the machine would calculate which attitudes are out of phase and which of these are amenable to change.
If the student was opposed to foreign trade, for example, and a favorable disposition were sought, the machine would select an appropriate series of statements and questions organized to right the imbalance in the student's attitudes.


But read the whole thing.
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The bolded is a very creative way of spinning that they were and still are interested in the dissociative split based upon psychic wounding and how it relates to human creativity.

Where are the stats of those of us they labeled gifted when what they really were studying was the dissociative split and how that gave us eyes in the back of the heads to envision as we did?

I do not feel like going back to read all the links to find the answer to the question.

Malcolm: "What do you draw now?"
Cole: "People smiling, dogs running... rainbows. They don't have meetings about rainbows. "

-- From movie "The Sixth Sense
 Quoting: Mnemosyne/Zeus


There is definite hints that they could touch on dissociative splits in the book but nothing outright yet as of pg 61. He discusses the left/right brain hemispheres and that the right brain can actually tap into a sort of cosmic information bank. Disassociation is one of the keywords. However, what he is discussing are what he deems "exotic human abilities" and a taxonomy of the exotic abilities in humans that is really quite eye popping. We know that some of us are electromagnetic and I would technically be called a stigmatic. I guarantee that we also have other abilities that we aren't discussing here and for good reason. Well, Gowan lists them pretty comprehensively. This is coming from the man who formed the NAGC in 1958. It's pretty solid evidence of what he was thinking and looking for. He's our Professor Xavier though I don't think he was necessarily a friendly bald guy since many of us forgot what we could really do.
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Don B Bushnell and System Development Corporation, Santa Monica:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Defense Advance Research Project Agency:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Read the Early History of DARPA.

I'm still reading - but if you look at all the names I provided and the associations they have/companies they worked for and the literature they produced - its quite amazing.
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The bolded is a very creative way of spinning that they were and still are interested in the dissociative split based upon psychic wounding and how it relates to human creativity.

Where are the stats of those of us they labeled gifted when what they really were studying was the dissociative split and how that gave us eyes in the back of the heads to envision as we did?

I do not feel like going back to read all the links to find the answer to the question.

Malcolm: "What do you draw now?"
Cole: "People smiling, dogs running... rainbows. They don't have meetings about rainbows. "

-- From movie "The Sixth Sense
 Quoting: Mnemosyne/Zeus


There is definite hints that they could touch on dissociative splits in the book but nothing outright yet as of pg 61. He discusses the left/right brain hemispheres and that the right brain can actually tap into a sort of cosmic information bank. Disassociation is one of the keywords. However, what he is discussing are what he deems "exotic human abilities" and a taxonomy of the exotic abilities in humans that is really quite eye popping. We know that some of us are electromagnetic and I would technically be called a stigmatic. I guarantee that we also have other abilities that we aren't discussing here and for good reason. Well, Gowan lists them pretty comprehensively. This is coming from the man who formed the NAGC in 1958. It's pretty solid evidence of what he was thinking and looking for. He's our Professor Xavier though I don't think he was necessarily a friendly bald guy since many of us forgot what we could really do.
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I guarantee you I have other abilities - and - so does my sister who went through the program too.

Looking at the people who were the Principle Agents in creating the MGM program, is very enlightening. They each did extensive work that when put together - makes me put some interesting scenarios together.
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The bolded is a very creative way of spinning that they were and still are interested in the dissociative split based upon psychic wounding and how it relates to human creativity.

Where are the stats of those of us they labeled gifted when what they really were studying was the dissociative split and how that gave us eyes in the back of the heads to envision as we did?

I do not feel like going back to read all the links to find the answer to the question.

Malcolm: "What do you draw now?"
Cole: "People smiling, dogs running... rainbows. They don't have meetings about rainbows. "

-- From movie "The Sixth Sense
 Quoting: Mnemosyne/Zeus


There is definite hints that they could touch on dissociative splits in the book but nothing outright yet as of pg 61. He discusses the left/right brain hemispheres and that the right brain can actually tap into a sort of cosmic information bank. Disassociation is one of the keywords. However, what he is discussing are what he deems "exotic human abilities" and a taxonomy of the exotic abilities in humans that is really quite eye popping. We know that some of us are electromagnetic and I would technically be called a stigmatic. I guarantee that we also have other abilities that we aren't discussing here and for good reason. Well, Gowan lists them pretty comprehensively. This is coming from the man who formed the NAGC in 1958. It's pretty solid evidence of what he was thinking and looking for. He's our Professor Xavier though I don't think he was necessarily a friendly bald guy since many of us forgot what we could really do.
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I guarantee you I have other abilities - and - so does my sister who went through the program too.

Looking at the people who were the Principle Agents in creating the MGM program, is very enlightening. They each did extensive work that when put together - makes me put some interesting scenarios together.
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My sister as well along with a number of other former gifted program that I have known for a long time. I used to joke that I "knew my own kind". Now it's not so much of a joke. I'm getting a very grim picture but still contemplating Gowan and reflecting on everything that I have found within me and how it relates. It's a grim picture indeed. I'll keep reading and see what I pull together. I'm curious to see if we form up the same scenarios.
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In Pa. here...from 3rd to 8th grade. Bussed to another school twice a week. Learned how to used Apple II and first Mac. Lots of testing, science projects, Renaissance studies, art. Was 14 of us from the greater Philadelphia region.
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When looking at John Curtis Gowan Wiki page...his work has been inspired by Aldous Huxley and Carl Jung and also derived from the work of Jean Piaget and Erik Erikson.

Clicking through to those Wiki's brings up a lot of interesting connections and questions.

Gowan also worked with E. Paul Torrance. He was a very prolific writer and created the Future Problem Solving Program International - which involves over 250k kids from around the world, annually.

Also look at Torrance's theory: Threshold Hypothesis.
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Interesting. Gowan makes a point in Book II towards the end that only 33% of the "Termites" (having an iq of 140) were gifted. He seemed to hold the view that higher intellect did not guarantee giftedness but had a better chance of it and that giftedness could exist at lower intellects. Makes it so that it dispels the idea that gifted program simply meant genius or smartest. They were looking for gifted as in exotic ability type of gifts which could include high intellect and mental prowess. That's the gist that I got from Gowan's second book. Going over the first book and had to cringe. It actually has an advisory. Gowan also mentions that experiments with a young child and the numinous created a "not-me" dissociative scenario. Makes me really wonder if they were pushing us to access this numinous element because none of that aspect is new to me. Same with space and time.
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When looking at John Curtis Gowan Wiki page...his work has been inspired by Aldous Huxley and Carl Jung and also derived from the work of Jean Piaget and Erik Erikson.

Clicking through to those Wiki's brings up a lot of interesting connections and questions.

Gowan also worked with E. Paul Torrance. He was a very prolific writer and created the Future Problem Solving Program International - which involves over 250k kids from around the world, annually.

Also look at Torrance's theory: Threshold Hypothesis.
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Interesting. Gowan makes a point in Book II towards the end that only 33% of the "Termites" (having an iq of 140) were gifted. He seemed to hold the view that higher intellect did not guarantee giftedness but had a better chance of it and that giftedness could exist at lower intellects. Makes it so that it dispels the idea that gifted program simply meant genius or smartest. They were looking for gifted as in exotic ability type of gifts which could include high intellect and mental prowess. That's the gist that I got from Gowan's second book. Going over the first book and had to cringe. It actually has an advisory. Gowan also mentions that experiments with a young child and the numinous created a "not-me" dissociative scenario. Makes me really wonder if they were pushing us to access this numinous element because none of that aspect is new to me. Same with space and time.
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Something that I've been wondering is if they found a way to use the "Attitude Changing" machine to subliminally block or add - using hypnosis or subliminal messaging. That machine would have been 'online' (according to the documentation) and could have been linked straight to the defense department.

Also - to respond to something earlier - my sister has met 3 people (in the last 5 months) who were either in MGM or have memories of similar testing while their parents were in the Military. I've searched for people and can't find any - except here and a couple other places on the web.

I'm wary to write a lot here - but I have a feeling it might not matter if I did. I have a lot to say. Everytime I come here, I get a headache. My sister has helped me with the 'fear' thing - she was dealing with it and came across The Dabrowski Theory. Very interesting and helpful. I suggest everyone look it up.
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Also - there is a link to Dabrowski through one of the people I mentioned, maybe Mary Meeker? Throughout my reading - I ran into him. Don't know what the connection is, but thought it was interesting.
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When looking at John Curtis Gowan Wiki page...his work has been inspired by Aldous Huxley and Carl Jung and also derived from the work of Jean Piaget and Erik Erikson.

Clicking through to those Wiki's brings up a lot of interesting connections and questions.

Gowan also worked with E. Paul Torrance. He was a very prolific writer and created the Future Problem Solving Program International - which involves over 250k kids from around the world, annually.

Also look at Torrance's theory: Threshold Hypothesis.
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Interesting. Gowan makes a point in Book II towards the end that only 33% of the "Termites" (having an iq of 140) were gifted. He seemed to hold the view that higher intellect did not guarantee giftedness but had a better chance of it and that giftedness could exist at lower intellects. Makes it so that it dispels the idea that gifted program simply meant genius or smartest. They were looking for gifted as in exotic ability type of gifts which could include high intellect and mental prowess. That's the gist that I got from Gowan's second book. Going over the first book and had to cringe. It actually has an advisory. Gowan also mentions that experiments with a young child and the numinous created a "not-me" dissociative scenario. Makes me really wonder if they were pushing us to access this numinous element because none of that aspect is new to me. Same with space and time.
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Something that I've been wondering is if they found a way to use the "Attitude Changing" machine to subliminally block or add - using hypnosis or subliminal messaging. That machine would have been 'online' (according to the documentation) and could have been linked straight to the defense department.

Also - to respond to something earlier - my sister has met 3 people (in the last 5 months) who were either in MGM or have memories of similar testing while their parents were in the Military. I've searched for people and can't find any - except here and a couple other places on the web.

I'm wary to write a lot here - but I have a feeling it might not matter if I did. I have a lot to say. Everytime I come here, I get a headache. My sister has helped me with the 'fear' thing - she was dealing with it and came across The Dabrowski Theory. Very interesting and helpful. I suggest everyone look it up.
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Yeah, that's my thought too. Or at least steering us into a predetermined attitude set. Earlier in the thread, I noted that they used to make gifted college beneficiaries sign an affadavit (should be on the NDEA wiki). Would also explain that streak of patriotism. If you had individuals that you were attempting foster "gifts" in, then you would want to make sure that they were on your side. Kind of my theory in what attitude they may have been attempting to imprint.

I also suspect that there are other things that were imprinted in us, thinking about this thread and Gowan's writings. The sense of doing something great or beneficial, the need for a paradigm shift in thinking, and even the thought that we could change things collectively could all be traced back to Gowan. He believed that a paradigm shift was needed to help humanity proceed to the next level and he used that rationale to excuse pushing a multitude into trying to access the "numinous element".

Gowan mentions something about a lack of recollection in Book II. I should see if I can find the exact quote. I think the amnesia probably was a side effect of what they were having us attempt to do. At the very least, they were trying to take these precocious kids and help them tap into the numinous element of inspiration. At the worst, they were trying to "developmentally force" siddhis, or "exotic abilities" in us. I could see how both would be enticing to those who covet an advantage.

I actually found that I had long had many friends who were in the program. Some of them remember weird experiments. Others either absolutely don't want to talk about it (one said that he was reborn and refused to discuss these things, interestingly enough) and others (much younger than I) found no similarity between what I recollected to what they experienced. What IS seemingly consistent between all of the ones I know personally is that "exotic ability" factor. That matches Gowan's roundabout defined idea of what it is to be "gifted".

I know what you mean though. I find it very hard to trust this forum especially when I go traipsing outside of this thread. Like you, I also get headaches but I'm not so sure if it's related to this thread. They are always headaches on the right side of my head. The last time I had migraines like this was when I was a teen. I'm not a neuroscientist but my theory is that I'm using pathways in the right side that haven't been used in ages since, like Gowan's young child, I was split. But finding things like what we've been finding in the past few days is a comfort in that they are directly traceable and explain a whole lot. I was beginning to lose hope on ever getting any answers.
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Also - there is a link to Dabrowski through one of the people I mentioned, maybe Mary Meeker? Throughout my reading - I ran into him. Don't know what the connection is, but thought it was interesting.
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Oh and I found a link long ago and posted it here on the same subject. Kind of funny but I was looking at that again earlier today. Hivemind! lol I'll repost the link: [link to positivedisintegration.com]

The unnerving thing is that "positive disintegration" is one of the things listed in Book I in regards to methods for accessing the numinous element. I still haven't gotten the nerve to start reading that one again.

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Just a thought...I see a lot of Gowans theories in "The Secret". Very interesting and rings true, to me. I somehow have believed a lot of what he's saying in Book 1 - whether through my own experiences or having had influence in that area. Strange!
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Just a thought...I see a lot of Gowans theories in "The Secret". Very interesting and rings true, to me. I somehow have believed a lot of what he's saying in Book 1 - whether through my own experiences or having had influence in that area. Strange!
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Going to go out on a limb but I want to emphasize that I am going out on this limb to put things into an alternative perspective and because I really don't care anymore. Gowan paints a lot of pretty words that entice and it's very clear that the man worshiped us. However, pretty words and worship don't excuse mistake.

I suspect that part of the acceptance I felt for Gowan's theories probably had to do with early exposure through the program and then, experience with it. For instance, his ideas in relation to time. I've always held a disdain for time with an awareness that time did not matter. I considered it to be an artificial thing simply created by man that had no reality. In other words, we, mankind, force the idea of time upon ourselves. Part of the reason why I also hold a disregard for time is what he refers to as time warp in Book II. I have taken journeys where the time it took to make them was infinitely shorter than what it should have been and one included a car load of friends who, at the end of the journey, were dazed and confused about what had happened and why we had arrived so quickly. Time bent. I do not hold that I necessarily was the one who bent it but actually hold that time will bend on occasion because it does not precisely exist.

At the same time, I reject Gowan's theories on what should have been done with us. His intention seemed to be to drive towards symmetry or hasten it but there is also another rule that I very much comprehend--you don't force nature. One of the things that came up on this thread was religious belief. I was the only atheist. Now realize that I sweat blood. I'm a stigmatic. Worse yet, people have, at times, smelled the scent of freesia or lilies around me. These are things that Gowan and many Christians would say belong to a saint. Problem is, I'm not a saint. I never was and never believed myself to be so. Even though I didn't remember any of the program, I have seen both things to be something that is unnatural, something that wasn't supposed to be. Whatever I, through the natural course of development, was supposed to be got railroaded and taken out of the natural order. So I became a saint who isn't a saint and an atheist in response. Now I get that I was pushed to go past that normal pace of development and I see that critical flaw in these ideas. I have no idea what I would have become without tampering but I guarantee that I probably would have fared a whole lot better had they simply left me alone and not pushed these boundaries.

I also think that is the truth they figured out, too, after all those boys started cracking with schizophrenia in the 90's.
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I hear what you're saying. I think there have been 'projects' like this, involving experimentation, for a long time and I think that its terrible.

I agree that nature should be left alone. In my case, I think that a lot of my abilities are repressed. But, I'm strong and many of them come through anyway.

I've often wondered, when hearing of the rise of certain ailments, whether its been a manufactured ailment. I'm not one to immediately think of conspiracy theories - but I get a sort of intuition about some things.

Sometimes, I think about this stuff and it makes me feel like such a crazy. I don't know what I'd do without my sister - she has the same crazy experiences and abilities - at least we can talk to each other, if no one else. I want to find a way to 'unblock' whatever was done - if its possible. I wonder if its possible.
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You know I hadn't thought I was part of the program. But after reading about another being forced to learn to use their right hand And a few of the other replies I'm starting to reconsider. However, I really can not recall a lot of that time of my youth from 75-8 in southern Ca.

Although I think I may have escaped a lot of it, as they tried to skip me from 2nd to 4th grade, I started skipping school until they put me back. After that they just gave me different lessons then everyone else in class. Naturally I started getting into trouble a few years after that as I became bored.
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You know I hadn't thought I was part of the program. But after reading about another being forced to learn to use their right hand And a few of the other replies I'm starting to reconsider. However, I really can not recall a lot of that time of my youth from 75-8 in southern Ca.

Although I think I may have escaped a lot of it, as they tried to skip me from 2nd to 4th grade, I started skipping school until they put me back. After that they just gave me different lessons then everyone else in class. Naturally I started getting into trouble a few years after that as I became bored.
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I was in the program from 78-82 in So. CA. - I skipped from 4th to 6th grade. In 4th grade is when they started testing me. Maybe you were tested and just have repressed memories of it? Have you asked your parents?

There are still things that I don't remember and I have a very good memory.
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You know I hadn't thought I was part of the program. But after reading about another being forced to learn to use their right hand And a few of the other replies I'm starting to reconsider. However, I really can not recall a lot of that time of my youth from 75-8 in southern Ca.

Although I think I may have escaped a lot of it, as they tried to skip me from 2nd to 4th grade, I started skipping school until they put me back. After that they just gave me different lessons then everyone else in class. Naturally I started getting into trouble a few years after that as I became bored.
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I was in the program from 78-82 in So. CA. - I skipped from 4th to 6th grade. In 4th grade is when they started testing me. Maybe you were tested and just have repressed memories of it? Have you asked your parents?

There are still things that I don't remember and I have a very good memory.
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Sadly my father wasn't there at the time and my mother has passed. I'm almost certain of it now after browsing some more, a few of those puzzles I can remember quite clearly.




Seeing as I among other thinkers. Maybe someone can gain something from it or build upon it.

Here's what I'm working on now. Changing perceptions in order to gain more control. As a result I'll being trying to achieve natural perceptions of naturally gifted people and hopefully savants. As these mostly a boil down to a better understanding of their surroundings and self. They simply understand how they interact with said environmental better then most, this is a perception. Perceptions can be changed, it's just a matter of putting the pieces of the puzzle together correctly, right?

Ya I get bored a lot.
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Something else I found:

[link to giving.fielding.edu]

Look at the programs they have to offer. Interesting.
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You know I hadn't thought I was part of the program. But after reading about another being forced to learn to use their right hand And a few of the other replies I'm starting to reconsider. However, I really can not recall a lot of that time of my youth from 75-8 in southern Ca.

Although I think I may have escaped a lot of it, as they tried to skip me from 2nd to 4th grade, I started skipping school until they put me back. After that they just gave me different lessons then everyone else in class. Naturally I started getting into trouble a few years after that as I became bored.
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I was in the program from 78-82 in So. CA. - I skipped from 4th to 6th grade. In 4th grade is when they started testing me. Maybe you were tested and just have repressed memories of it? Have you asked your parents?

There are still things that I don't remember and I have a very good memory.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17927000


Sadly my father wasn't there at the time and my mother has passed. I'm almost certain of it now after browsing some more, a few of those puzzles I can remember quite clearly.




Seeing as I among other thinkers. Maybe someone can gain something from it or build upon it.

Here's what I'm working on now. Changing perceptions in order to gain more control. As a result I'll being trying to achieve natural perceptions of naturally gifted people and hopefully savants. As these mostly a boil down to a better understanding of their surroundings and self. They simply understand how they interact with said environmental better then most, this is a perception. Perceptions can be changed, it's just a matter of putting the pieces of the puzzle together correctly, right?

Ya I get bored a lot.
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I think it takes figuring out what is natural and what isn't. We've got evidence of the use of imprinting and I see a whole lot of Gowan in us. What you're thinking is kind of in line with my thoughts. Tracing what was naturally formed because that would be the way that nature would respond. That means the stuff that has been with me since childhood, I will discard as being unnatural. That which has arisen throughout the course of my life, that is the right path. Does that make sense?
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Something else I found:

[link to giving.fielding.edu]

Look at the programs they have to offer. Interesting.
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Interesting. A mixture of social engineering and psychology. Why am I not surprised? lol
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You know I hadn't thought I was part of the program. But after reading about another being forced to learn to use their right hand And a few of the other replies I'm starting to reconsider. However, I really can not recall a lot of that time of my youth from 75-8 in southern Ca.

Although I think I may have escaped a lot of it, as they tried to skip me from 2nd to 4th grade, I started skipping school until they put me back. After that they just gave me different lessons then everyone else in class. Naturally I started getting into trouble a few years after that as I became bored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1146136


I was in the program from 78-82 in So. CA. - I skipped from 4th to 6th grade. In 4th grade is when they started testing me. Maybe you were tested and just have repressed memories of it? Have you asked your parents?

There are still things that I don't remember and I have a very good memory.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17927000


Sadly my father wasn't there at the time and my mother has passed. I'm almost certain of it now after browsing some more, a few of those puzzles I can remember quite clearly.




Seeing as I among other thinkers. Maybe someone can gain something from it or build upon it.

Here's what I'm working on now. Changing perceptions in order to gain more control. As a result I'll being trying to achieve natural perceptions of naturally gifted people and hopefully savants. As these mostly a boil down to a better understanding of their surroundings and self. They simply understand how they interact with said environmental better then most, this is a perception. Perceptions can be changed, it's just a matter of putting the pieces of the puzzle together correctly, right?

Ya I get bored a lot.
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I think it takes figuring out what is natural and what isn't. We've got evidence of the use of imprinting and I see a whole lot of Gowan in us. What you're thinking is kind of in line with my thoughts. Tracing what was naturally formed because that would be the way that nature would respond. That means the stuff that has been with me since childhood, I will discard as being unnatural. That which has arisen throughout the course of my life, that is the right path. Does that make sense?
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I think I understand, however, I don't know about Gowan. But, yes, the concept I was thinking is very similar. My early attempts have been watching others and taking the most natural feeling approach. For instance a professional chef holds a knife in a certain manner that is completely comfortable or natural. Then empathizing myself as that individual with their knowledge of said activity and emulate them in the most natural manner for myself.


Granted this is a long way from savant like talent. But I think it falls in line with the concepts of some of what we were taught. And that's increasing our learning speed to facilitate quicker learning. And with the mind the more it does something the better it becomes at it, so over time, it may be something worth playing with.
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Replacing is easier than erasing'

yup tis kinda truthful
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Kind of finding this humorous but after your post, it said "500 Internal Error"

That's kind of truthful, too. lol Made me laugh. Poetic forum glitch.

Welcome back, Menny. Glad to see you're doing okay.
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Hahaha I feel like that sums me up pretty well.

Just catching up on the last few pages and I have to admit I did a double take at the mention of hating repeated words or phrases...I was just complaining to my roommate about this earlier tonight (he tends to get stuck on a word and mutter it repeatedly about the house until I'm ready to scream). I have to laugh at the synchronicity that seems to happen in this thread at times.

I've been less anxious about all of this lately, but it waxes and wanes. I don't feel like I'm getting much closer to answers but I'm starting to be more accepting.
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Replacing is easier than erasing'

yup tis kinda truthful
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Kind of finding this humorous but after your post, it said "500 Internal Error"

That's kind of truthful, too. lol Made me laugh. Poetic forum glitch.

Welcome back, Menny. Glad to see you're doing okay.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


Hahaha I feel like that sums me up pretty well.

Just catching up on the last few pages and I have to admit I did a double take at the mention of hating repeated words or phrases...I was just complaining to my roommate about this earlier tonight (he tends to get stuck on a word and mutter it repeatedly about the house until I'm ready to scream). I have to laugh at the synchronicity that seems to happen in this thread at times.

I've been less anxious about all of this lately, but it waxes and wanes. I don't feel like I'm getting much closer to answers but I'm starting to be more accepting.
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You're going to find this hilarious (or spooky) but I mentioned that you had come back to the thread just about 20 or so minutes ago to my fiance...before I saw this. lol glad you heard me. He had asked me what we were going to do this evening and I told him "get more answers". That's what we're looking for. We're going through the list of names.

Fiance is working on Joseph Rice. Tied him with Project Talent. Everything though is inaccessible and traces back to Stanford.

I've got James F. Magary. Hitting dead ends there, host sites don't have the articles accessible with oopsies, sorry!! remarks about personal information being contained within. It would appear he specialized in school psychology and the role of the school psychologist. Wrote the aforementioned book, The Exceptional Child. And on down the list I go.
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Replacing is easier than erasing'

yup tis kinda truthful
 Quoting: AnotherOne


Kind of finding this humorous but after your post, it said "500 Internal Error"

That's kind of truthful, too. lol Made me laugh. Poetic forum glitch.

Welcome back, Menny. Glad to see you're doing okay.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


Hahaha I feel like that sums me up pretty well.

Just catching up on the last few pages and I have to admit I did a double take at the mention of hating repeated words or phrases...I was just complaining to my roommate about this earlier tonight (he tends to get stuck on a word and mutter it repeatedly about the house until I'm ready to scream). I have to laugh at the synchronicity that seems to happen in this thread at times.

I've been less anxious about all of this lately, but it waxes and wanes. I don't feel like I'm getting much closer to answers but I'm starting to be more accepting.
 Quoting: Menny 18032514


Replacing is easier than erasing'

yup tis kinda truthful
 Quoting: AnotherOne


Kind of finding this humorous but after your post, it said "500 Internal Error"

That's kind of truthful, too. lol Made me laugh. Poetic forum glitch.

Welcome back, Menny. Glad to see you're doing okay.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


Hahaha I feel like that sums me up pretty well.

Just catching up on the last few pages and I have to admit I did a double take at the mention of hating repeated words or phrases...I was just complaining to my roommate about this earlier tonight (he tends to get stuck on a word and mutter it repeatedly about the house until I'm ready to scream). I have to laugh at the synchronicity that seems to happen in this thread at times.

I've been less anxious about all of this lately, but it waxes and wanes. I don't feel like I'm getting much closer to answers but I'm starting to be more accepting.
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I apologize for double-posting, I didn't log in so can't edit, but wanted to thank you all for posting those links, will definitely be doing some reading over the next few days, especially with regards to Gowan. I have learned I need to do any kind of research in small doses.

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