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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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Replacing is easier than erasing'

yup tis kinda truthful
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Kind of finding this humorous but after your post, it said "500 Internal Error"

That's kind of truthful, too. lol Made me laugh. Poetic forum glitch.

Welcome back, Menny. Glad to see you're doing okay.
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Hahaha I feel like that sums me up pretty well.

Just catching up on the last few pages and I have to admit I did a double take at the mention of hating repeated words or phrases...I was just complaining to my roommate about this earlier tonight (he tends to get stuck on a word and mutter it repeatedly about the house until I'm ready to scream). I have to laugh at the synchronicity that seems to happen in this thread at times.

I've been less anxious about all of this lately, but it waxes and wanes. I don't feel like I'm getting much closer to answers but I'm starting to be more accepting.
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You're going to find this hilarious (or spooky) but I mentioned that you had come back to the thread just about 20 or so minutes ago to my fiance...before I saw this. lol glad you heard me. He had asked me what we were going to do this evening and I told him "get more answers". That's what we're looking for. We're going through the list of names.

Fiance is working on Joseph Rice. Tied him with Project Talent. Everything though is inaccessible and traces back to Stanford.

I've got James F. Magary. Hitting dead ends there, host sites don't have the articles accessible with oopsies, sorry!! remarks about personal information being contained within. It would appear he specialized in school psychology and the role of the school psychologist. Wrote the aforementioned book, The Exceptional Child. And on down the list I go.
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I find it hilarious and not at all surprising!

I really need to reset my password and start logging in so I can edit and take out all of my posting errors and repeats.

Looking forward to hearing what you find...I'm checking out DARPA now and then backtracking to the others and likely spiraling into something unexpected, as you do.

A good friend of mine, ten years younger, recently revealed that she was in a gifted program but I am sort of feeling her out now as far as asking her about any details. I tend to think her experience was probably a lot different from ours.
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I apologize for double-posting, I didn't log in so can't edit, but wanted to thank you all for posting those links, will definitely be doing some reading over the next few days, especially with regards to Gowan. I have learned I need to do any kind of research in small doses.
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No problem. I totally understand. I'm getting better at recovering from mind blows. Must be the puzzle thing because I'm getting more adept at putting my head back together, lol. Gowan hit me pretty hard. Cried a lot but honestly, I feel far more at peace now.
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I apologize for double-posting, I didn't log in so can't edit, but wanted to thank you all for posting those links, will definitely be doing some reading over the next few days, especially with regards to Gowan. I have learned I need to do any kind of research in small doses.
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No problem. I totally understand. I'm getting better at recovering from mind blows. Must be the puzzle thing because I'm getting more adept at putting my head back together, lol. Gowan hit me pretty hard. Cried a lot but honestly, I feel far more at peace now.
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I'm starting to get the hang of it, though I have to be in the right frame of mind to start. Then are times when just a small bit of reading or trying to remember gives me a headache and makes me anxious and unable to sleep.

Then there are other times when I'm reading research or triggering material where I'm able to throw that cold-logic, unfeeling switch and I can get through a fair bit of it without really experiencing any emotional or physical reaction to it. It's very similar to what many of us mentioned earlier in the thread about having an ability to become centered and calm and able to take direct action under threat. If I can get myself into that space before I start reading, it helps for a while. Then it sort of filters down and I can emotionally process it in small doses over the next few days or weeks.

I'm not sure if any of that made any sense. Hopefully.
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Uhhh...anybody have any luck with Irving Soto because what I'm finding is...uhhh...well, the only Irving Soto that comes up in scholarly papers is Grandmaster Irving Soto, who apparently was one of the top martial artists in the world and taught military and police forces. So...uhhh...I'll keep looking but having taken judo in the past, he might have been brought in to advise on meditation techniques? Maybe? LOL
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I apologize for double-posting, I didn't log in so can't edit, but wanted to thank you all for posting those links, will definitely be doing some reading over the next few days, especially with regards to Gowan. I have learned I need to do any kind of research in small doses.
 Quoting: Menny 18032514


No problem. I totally understand. I'm getting better at recovering from mind blows. Must be the puzzle thing because I'm getting more adept at putting my head back together, lol. Gowan hit me pretty hard. Cried a lot but honestly, I feel far more at peace now.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


I'm starting to get the hang of it, though I have to be in the right frame of mind to start. Then are times when just a small bit of reading or trying to remember gives me a headache and makes me anxious and unable to sleep.

Then there are other times when I'm reading research or triggering material where I'm able to throw that cold-logic, unfeeling switch and I can get through a fair bit of it without really experiencing any emotional or physical reaction to it. It's very similar to what many of us mentioned earlier in the thread about having an ability to become centered and calm and able to take direct action under threat. If I can get myself into that space before I start reading, it helps for a while. Then it sort of filters down and I can emotionally process it in small doses over the next few days or weeks.

I'm not sure if any of that made any sense. Hopefully.
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Makes total sense. The whole crying thing has been a more recent occurrence. I never cried much before. Was more like what you described. I'm finding that crying, albeit puffy eye making, can be a good thing. Once I get done with the tears, the logical switch kicks in and the gears start rumbling. At least that's my new mode, lol.
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Uhhh...anybody have any luck with Irving Soto because what I'm finding is...uhhh...well, the only Irving Soto that comes up in scholarly papers is Grandmaster Irving Soto, who apparently was one of the top martial artists in the world and taught military and police forces. So...uhhh...I'll keep looking but having taken judo in the past, he might have been brought in to advise on meditation techniques? Maybe? LOL
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Try Dr. Irving Sato
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Actually, did try that but he apparently likes to go by Prof Dr as well. Subtracting grandmaster and martial from the search string gets one hit and it's gifted:

Dr. Irving Soto, Director of the National-State Leadership Training Institute of the Gifted and Talented.

Sato comes up with hits so documents may have misspells and we're actually looking for the Sato fellow.

Plowman and Rice are coming up with nothing accessible and just Project Talent. A Louise Bachtold wrote under their direction and has some "interesting" articles. She also did the Project Talent follow up. I don't think she liked us much.

Full contents aren't available free but gives you a taste of her thinking:

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

[link to www.nasponline.org]

Back onto Sato/Soto.
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Interesting. Toss in a dash of leadership training a la Plowman. Again, not a freebie but one does get a glimpse.

[link to www.tandfonline.com]
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I can't find anything on the Brooks Research Foundation - Gowan was VP there. Strange.
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I noted that as well. Been reading through Gowan's writings and wow indeed. It's kind of grimly funny that I have spent my life saying things like "time is just a man-made construct", being aware that materiality didn't matter and what mattered was within, knowing that everything was connected and etc. Well, now I know the source of all that--I'd say it was Gowan.
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Time travel and the study of it is probably a big part of all this.It keeps coming up in my own research as well.
I've also been aware of the subliminal message thing for along time now and notice it everywhere.It is so obvious to me as I am sure it is for all here yet the rest of society cant seem to realize how it effects them.
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Uhhh...anybody have any luck with Irving Soto because what I'm finding is...uhhh...well, the only Irving Soto that comes up in scholarly papers is Grandmaster Irving Soto, who apparently was one of the top martial artists in the world and taught military and police forces. So...uhhh...I'll keep looking but having taken judo in the past, he might have been brought in to advise on meditation techniques? Maybe? LOL
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I ran into that too - its actually Sato, with an 'a'. But there isn't a whole lot that I can find. He was with the National/State Leadership Training Institute on the Gifted and Talented. That's all I have dug up so far.

I feel we're on the right track!
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Actually, did try that but he apparently likes to go by Prof Dr as well. Subtracting grandmaster and martial from the search string gets one hit and it's gifted:

Dr. Irving Soto, Director of the National-State Leadership Training Institute of the Gifted and Talented.

Sato comes up with hits so documents may have misspells and we're actually looking for the Sato fellow.

Plowman and Rice are coming up with nothing accessible and just Project Talent. A Louise Bachtold wrote under their direction and has some "interesting" articles. She also did the Project Talent follow up. I don't think she liked us much.

Full contents aren't available free but gives you a taste of her thinking:

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

[link to www.nasponline.org]

Back onto Sato/Soto.
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I guess I should read everything BEFORE posting! :)
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I have nothing to offer at this point, I just miss this thread when it's not in with my active ones :)
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I found a downside to admitting involvement in a program when I was a child.

They come back to get you decades after the experiments, to check up on you and dick around with your head again.

After I got some memories put back in my head about the way it used to be, they got me again, but this time, they have more advanced scientific ways to cram that back in your head. CIA ARTICHOKE advanced versions using polarized lights instead of puttering around watching TVs.

And you wonder why they are choosing drones to follow their experiments from now on?

From my travels across the nation encountering all those big-time research groups and intelligence groups, a secret was let out by one of their older members: that I was subject to 3 experiments overlapping, not just one.

Experimental lotto, it's painful, especially when the experimenters make mistakes. Like a a guantanamo-style mind control weapon, intended for prisoners but 4 femtometers off and you lose a tooth, and they are too chickenshit to own up to their errors. That was a MILDEC program from USS George Washington. They put a local camera and control on a person -- through the goddamn wall, watching everything -- and they are supervised by the people in the USS George Washington. I swear to God you go to the website with the woman at the computer of that program MILDEC, and that's the same one monitoring things on the ground under her supervisor, the same one who supported the criminal group that was hurting me. Day after day of embedded images on the mind, reverse speech, civilian programming, frequencies to encourage mental illness and paranoia, because you don't know where it's coming from. Programs that bounce reports off of walls inside your house, make it sound like someone's talking about you. High electricity punishments for posts, under "experiment".

It happens when people move from location to location. It gets worse signing up for government welfare programs or social security. You think it's a walk in the park to be subject to their experiments on those people? And they use criminal organization fronts to do this, with Department of Defense funds siphoned off of building projects, make it "clandestine" or "covert".

HAARP does it too. The sad part is that the Navy doctors "practicing" behind those computer screens supervised by other people really believe that it's being done on a prisoner population and don't know it's done to the public for a different program. If the secret gets out... they get reassigned, or removed from the program.

It's a violation of human rights. And nobody who dealt the program wants to admit to their errors against their victims, covering it up under more military-looking bullshit.

DO NOT LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAMS YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW UP WITH MORE
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They already know who we are. They identified us as kids. We were all "tagged". I used to fear, thanks to my mother, that something would happen to me if "they" found out about things. Anything I did that was outside of normal was a humiliation and something to be feared. You know what though? I have had a number of doctors actually witness and be astounded by a variety of things and nothing ever happened to me. Nobody swooped in to take me away or make me disappear. No punishments, no nothing. It's been "on record" that I am clairvoyant since 1994. I'm still right here and I've never been borrowed or anything. I do not believe in fear mongering. We are what we are and they sure as hell know that. Part of the very reason why I am so open is to challenge that fear within myself. Basically say, I'm right here, come get me if you're going to. I'm still waiting. Nada, nothing, nil. I'm not advising or condoning anyone else to do this. I just prefer to face my fears and am willing to hang it all out on the line for the sake of self progression. They could find out who I am easily and still, nobody is knocking down my door.

I'm not denying that we were also guinea pigs. We definitely were that. Guinea pigs for experimental psychology, experimental learning, and god knows what else. That is quite clear from a lot of the public literature available on the gifted program whether you look at Gowan or Dabrowski or Sato. We were experiments to see what would happen with these gifted kids if they basically unbound us from general society's thinking. It most definitely was damaging and Gowan makes it very poignantly clear that they were engaging in risky activities. That is precisely what made us more guinea pig than human to in their eyes.

One thing I know that will not be taken away from me is I am far more aware and accepting of myself now than I was even a year ago. No amount of fear mongering is going to stop me from finding myself. I am truly gifted in that I have gotten things back that I never even realized were lost. I'm infinitely more well rounded for the knowing.
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Actually, did try that but he apparently likes to go by Prof Dr as well. Subtracting grandmaster and martial from the search string gets one hit and it's gifted:

Dr. Irving Soto, Director of the National-State Leadership Training Institute of the Gifted and Talented.

Sato comes up with hits so documents may have misspells and we're actually looking for the Sato fellow.

Plowman and Rice are coming up with nothing accessible and just Project Talent. A Louise Bachtold wrote under their direction and has some "interesting" articles. She also did the Project Talent follow up. I don't think she liked us much.

Full contents aren't available free but gives you a taste of her thinking:

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

[link to www.nasponline.org]

Back onto Sato/Soto.
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I guess I should read everything BEFORE posting! :)
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Yeah but there's not much there to see. Most of it is locked away behind dollar signs for payment so really, it's just glimpses based on abstract and title. Sato seems pretty dry compared to Gowan.

I was thinking last night about the excerpts of those books on the CSUN site. It just seems so interesting that they would put those particular books up on the net after so long. Gowan would've been one of their notables but why those particular books? Someone reading them could potentially consider him to have been half mad at times in Book II though he does a decent job of proving his point. When you contrast them with what others have written on the subject of giftedness, it seems almost unabashedly outlandish, like he was out of step with the others, at least, in presentation. The actual books are prohibitively expensive or unavailable so it's quite a coup to have this access to them. I'm grateful for that. Yet, the timing of it bothers me because it almost correlates with a surge in tv programs about special, gifted children or child experiments that began in late 2008.

Maybe I'm seeing a correlation that doesn't exist but still, it was bugging me last night. Made me temporarily wonder if someone knew we would come looking for answers.
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I found this by searching Don Bushnell Brooks Research:

[link to www.unz.org]

[link to catalogue.nla.gov.au]

and this when I clicked through to Brooks Research:

[link to catalogue.nla.gov.au]

Not much there and searching Brooks Institute - I haven't come up with anything, yet.
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Found this also:

[link to u13.cgpublisher.com]


Dr. Don Bushnell
Professor Emeritus, Institute for Social Innovation
Fielding Graduate University, Fielding Graduate University
Santa Barbara, CA, USA
Past President of the Association for Educational Data Systems and Founding Dean of the School of Human and Organization Development at Fielding Graduate University. Currently reviewer for the OD Practitioner Journal and Journal of Transformative Education. Publications: "The Computer in American Education" and "The Arts, Education, and Urban Subcultures." Awards: "Lifetime Achievement Award, The Sociological Practice Association." Consultant to the White House Conference on Youth, the National Council on Civil Rights, and the National Teacher's Corp. Received M.A. and Ph.D. degrees from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1974/77. Currently member of the OD Network and Board Member of the Global Service Corp.

Can't find anything on Brooks.
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Ok, my headache is back with a vengence (right side of my head , mainly in my eye) and I'm not feeling well. I haven't had the fear - so I'm going to let this go for a day or so and then come back.
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Ok, last one for today:

[link to www.vault.com]

It is a review of the Fielding school.

I find it interesting that people found a renewed enthusiasm for their work after completing. Interesting if nothing else.
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Found this also:

[link to u13.cgpublisher.com]


Dr. Don Bushnell
Professor Emeritus, Institute for Social Innovation
Fielding Graduate University, Fielding Graduate University
Santa Barbara, CA, USA
Past President of the Association for Educational Data Systems and Founding Dean of the School of Human and Organization Development at Fielding Graduate University. Currently reviewer for the OD Practitioner Journal and Journal of Transformative Education. Publications: "The Computer in American Education" and "The Arts, Education, and Urban Subcultures." Awards: "Lifetime Achievement Award, The Sociological Practice Association." Consultant to the White House Conference on Youth, the National Council on Civil Rights, and the National Teacher's Corp. Received M.A. and Ph.D. degrees from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1974/77. Currently member of the OD Network and Board Member of the Global Service Corp.

Can't find anything on Brooks.
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I'm digging. Brooks Foundation was apparently in Santa Barbara. Looking for Brooks Foundation and Santa Barbara and so far, found a paper by another involved with the foundation in regards to alternate learning tests and lobotomized and non-lobotomized schizophrenics (1966). [link to psycnet.apa.org]

God it was a brutal science back then. I'll keep looking.

Btw, what Gowan is describing as schizophrenia is more likely to be describing DID. DID was broken away from a schizophrenia type disorders since he wrote that and it was made its own disorder.
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Ok, my headache is back with a vengence (right side of my head , mainly in my eye) and I'm not feeling well. I haven't had the fear - so I'm going to let this go for a day or so and then come back.
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That's where I get mine. Behind the right eye or midway through the right hemisphere but a tad towards the front. My right eye has actually been terribly bloodshot the last few days. You have my condolences because I know how much it sucks, lol. Have a good rest. I'll see what else I can find on Brooks.
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Ok, my headache is back with a vengence (right side of my head , mainly in my eye) and I'm not feeling well. I haven't had the fear - so I'm going to let this go for a day or so and then come back.
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That's where I get mine. Behind the right eye or midway through the right hemisphere but a tad towards the front. My right eye has actually been terribly bloodshot the last few days. You have my condolences because I know how much it sucks, lol. Have a good rest. I'll see what else I can find on Brooks.
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Yes - it feels like it loops around the back of my head and swings toward the left...if that makes sense! lol

All these characters, when put together - make an interesting combination of program creators.

I'm going to go take a nap and see how I feel. I'll be back soon.
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I'm thinking that Brooks was somehow a precursor for Fielding. Maybe not - but something I thought of.
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[link to www.torranceca.gov]

[link to www.eric.ed.gov]

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Wonder if it turned into the Brooks Institute? Kind of weird though for something that had a psych paper be associated...then again, can't access the whole paper so maybe he was just affiliated with it?
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[link to www.torranceca.gov]

[link to www.eric.ed.gov]

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Wonder if it turned into the Brooks Institute? Kind of weird though for something that had a psych paper be associated...then again, can't access the whole paper so maybe he was just affiliated with it?
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Interesting.

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I'm thinking that Brooks was somehow a precursor for Fielding. Maybe not - but something I thought of.
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Not sure. Fielding started in 1974. Or there is another scenario. In 1969, he's both doing work for the SDC as per a mil doc and for Brooks in the same year according to another doc. SDC had a Santa Monica facility. Whatever it was, Brooks is gone.

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Okay, read the pdf that Light picked up. It talks about the foundations goals and interests in basically setting up programs in underprivileged black communities in NYC, Philadelphia, and Watts. Don't want to mess with copyrights issues since this is a pay article so I will summarize as accurately as I can.

First quote: Their philosophy is to educate a culturally deprived teen student outside of the classroom. The emphasis on the outside of the classroom is because of the "conditioning" of the student against the school system. By working outside of the classroom, which may have negative associations, they can aid in the personal development and socialization of ghetto students and dropouts. They chose film as it allows the student to express a statement about themselves and share themselves through film to have almost a group psychotherapy effect. It also prepares them to be an "intelligent consumer of movies" and "visually transmitted information in general". They were behind a black filmmaker's, Richard Mason, success. Article claims that Mason is one of the best black filmmakers in the US. Notably, there isn't even a wiki for him. Huh. Mason was a gangleader of a black gang in NYC's east side. According to the article, he was made an associate producer of a tv series at the age of 22. Article makes much ado about his skyrocketing career. Didn't seem to skyrocket much.

Found his film, Ghetto, on youtube: [link to www.youtube.com]

The foundation also got another gang to make a film in Philadelphia. 147 members who ended up making a film company called 12th and Oxford Film. Some info on the net about them. Emphasis is on social rehabilitation definitely. Author of the article makes a point of isolating Melvin Van Peebles as not being an effort of social rehabilitation but of artistic self expression.

Overall, it would seem that the foundation was interested in providing social rehabilitation for black youth in a critical time period (1966). And they were involved in the gifted program. Kind of odd mix on the surface but can see the connection...social function, educational to an extent. Problem is when you throw Bushnell into the mix and his being associated with SDC and social engineering. Makes me wonder if the foundation was a front for social manipulation/change. Considering their disappearance (unless the institute of the same name is, in fact, associated with them), really makes me wonder if it was a ghost foundation.
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Re: Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?
Interesting from an "outcome" perspective. Article about a former gang leader of 12th and Oxford. Looks like they only made one film, too, and he ended up doing jail time: [link to articles.philly.com]
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10/16/2012 01:05 PM
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Garfield article for perusal. Interesting how much money was thrown at them afterwards and they were put on a "tour".

[link to fultonhistory.com]
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10/17/2012 12:53 AM
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The sense of doing something great or beneficial,