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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.

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I haven't read all the posts so I'm not sure if it's been posted.

Does anyone sync up with TV or radio, so it finishes their thoughts or sentences, it even sometimes will answers questions mid question?

It comes and goes, but when it starts happening it tends to happen for days to months at a time then just stops.
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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.
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Well, that's heartbreaking and yes, a very chilling anecdote. I've brought up my mom several times on this thread. I would not be surprised, based on her responses and statements in regards to things when I was growing up, if similar had happened with her. If not more because she was a military brat. I know that I had nothing to do with it but I'm very sorry that your mom had that happen to her. Makes me cry wondering how many children were put through that over all of these years. Definitely sounds like a Zener type card test. Has she had any longstanding neuropathy type problems with her hands (decreased sensation, tingling, pins and needles)? I'm just wondering if what they did was an ECT or EST as it would've most likely damaged the nerves there.
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I haven't read all the posts so I'm not sure if it's been posted.

Does anyone sync up with TV or radio, so it finishes their thoughts or sentences, it even sometimes will answers questions mid question?

It comes and goes, but when it starts happening it tends to happen for days to months at a time then just stops.
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Yep. At least, used to. Haven't listened to the radio in ages and that was one of the reasons why. Wasn't a fan of it, lol. I'd be singing a song to myself, turn on the radio and be right in sync. Never been a tv watcher so don't recall or know if I had the same issue with it.
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[link to www.torranceca.gov]

[link to www.eric.ed.gov]

[link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]

Wonder if it turned into the Brooks Institute? Kind of weird though for something that had a psych paper be associated...then again, can't access the whole paper so maybe he was just affiliated with it?
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Interesting.
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The same time I was in the program they had concurent programs going on with bussing of inner city kids to all the magnet schools I went to.Also read somewhere about mk study of youth gangs in the inner city.
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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.
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Well, that's heartbreaking and yes, a very chilling anecdote. I've brought up my mom several times on this thread. I would not be surprised, based on her responses and statements in regards to things when I was growing up, if similar had happened with her. If not more because she was a military brat. I know that I had nothing to do with it but I'm very sorry that your mom had that happen to her. Makes me cry wondering how many children were put through that over all of these years. Definitely sounds like a Zener type card test. Has she had any longstanding neuropathy type problems with her hands (decreased sensation, tingling, pins and needles)? I'm just wondering if what they did was an ECT or EST as it would've most likely damaged the nerves there.
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Thankfully she hasn't had any such problems, that I know of. She's had recurring problems in her ears, though I don't want to make a huge leap that the two are related I wouldn't be surprised, either.
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The same time I was in the program they had concurent programs going on with bussing of inner city kids to all the magnet schools I went to.Also read somewhere about mk study of youth gangs in the inner city.
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I got caught up in a study on depression and inner city youth. I'm sure they loved me and my persistent mild depression. Although I get the feeling the research was running on deeper funding than what that one study could have provided. I noticed some cross over with one of the psychologists between that study and a more unethical program. The depression study did give them access to depressed and vulnerable kids at school without parental oversight (we also know that depression and intelligence aren't always that far apart).

No getting me started on MK stories regarding vulnerable and exploitable populations (gangs included). I try to keep it at least somewhat to education in this thread lol.
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The same time I was in the program they had concurent programs going on with bussing of inner city kids to all the magnet schools I went to.Also read somewhere about mk study of youth gangs in the inner city.
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I got caught up in a study on depression and inner city youth. I'm sure they loved me and my persistent mild depression. Although I get the feeling the research was running on deeper funding than what that one study could have provided. I noticed some cross over with one of the psychologists between that study and a more unethical program. The depression study did give them access to depressed and vulnerable kids at school without parental oversight (we also know that depression and intelligence aren't always that far apart).

No getting me started on MK stories regarding vulnerable and exploitable populations (gangs included). I try to keep it at least somewhat to education in this thread lol.
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Yeah, it's good to try to keep things focused on education. However, understanding what they were doing in other areas can also give a rounded view on their overall activities. Ie. Between the lobotomized schizo paper, the gang film program, and Bushnell's papers in regards to computers and ye old imprinting, we can guess that Brooks involved itself in sociological and psychological programs of a potentially manipulative nature. Information about the program itself isn't readily available. It can help narrow what their role may have been with us. You know?

Kaw, I found those two stories of the former participants in the film program to be really interesting. Garfield was shot trying to stop gang violence. That's quite a turnaround.
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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.
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Well, that's heartbreaking and yes, a very chilling anecdote. I've brought up my mom several times on this thread. I would not be surprised, based on her responses and statements in regards to things when I was growing up, if similar had happened with her. If not more because she was a military brat. I know that I had nothing to do with it but I'm very sorry that your mom had that happen to her. Makes me cry wondering how many children were put through that over all of these years. Definitely sounds like a Zener type card test. Has she had any longstanding neuropathy type problems with her hands (decreased sensation, tingling, pins and needles)? I'm just wondering if what they did was an ECT or EST as it would've most likely damaged the nerves there.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


Thankfully she hasn't had any such problems, that I know of. She's had recurring problems in her ears, though I don't want to make a huge leap that the two are related I wouldn't be surprised, either.
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Just really curious as to what they would have been doing to her fingers. It wouldn't be a good location to inject anything as a vein would be a lot more effective. If she had had ECT or EST, then she either a. wouldn't have remembered it or would've possibly recalled something being inserted in her mouth to keep her from breaking teeth or biting her tongue. Just thinking "aloud". So what the hell did they do to her fingertips? Maybe a nerve conduction test? That would test the function and flow of electricity in the nerves. It would be painful but memorable and not damaging. Maybe?
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
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I'm dull :(
Not psychic
No zapping
My greatest ability is a low heart rate in crisis lmfao, and I'm pretty sure that was trained into me.

I seriously wonder how I got pulled into everything.
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
 Quoting: ArmchairObserver


I'm dull :(
Not psychic
No zapping
My greatest ability is a low heart rate in crisis lmfao, and I'm pretty sure that was trained into me.

I seriously wonder how I got pulled into everything.
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Because you're "gifted", silly. They were looking for giftedness--that intellect plus ?? aspect in children. Precocity, creativity, additional ability outside of the norm. Gowan's definitely of "exotic ability" includes pretty much anything from zappiness to clairvoyance, better hearing, or superior brain function. A tetrachromat would have an "exotic ability" and not be psychic or zappy. Someone with superior hearing, too. Gifted is more likely to be a catch all for everything "gifted" outside of the norm.
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
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That would make sense. I've had nerve conduction tests done and the needle stings well enough (certainly enough to make an already-frightened child cry).

No surprise to me that Gowan mentioned this.

Interestingly enough as far as the zapping, I think I mentioned before that I've never been able to wear or carry a watch of any sort without it going dead after a day or two. My mom doesn't seem to exhibit any of this.

My next plan of attack is trying to find some more information about summer camps for gifted children in the 80's. I feel like there's something significant there for me...(not sure if you remember my posting about going to such a camp and my father's panic about it).
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
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I have something going on - always have. I find it happens more when I'm emotional - either mad or sad.

My watch batteries would always drain quickly and when I was in my twenties, I would just buy another watch (like a dork) and ended up with a ton of cheap watches. I don't wear them anymore so it hasn't happened in a long time.

Street lights would go out when I was driving - either before I passed under them or after I'd passed them (usually before). This used to happen a lot and I practiced one time and had it happen to 3 in a row.

When I was in my twenties and thirties - my bank cards and credit cards would demagnetize. I used to have to replace them pretty regularly, but now I use a hard-case wallet and it doesn't happen as often.

For the last week my computer has been acting strange. Right now, right before posting this - my screen went black, twice. I had to turn it off and on again (even though the green light was on).

I've often thought of songs and then immediately heard them on TV and Radio. I've tested that one out too and scared myself because of it.

I get those little static electricity zaps all the time, on any kind of surface.

I've never really looked up anything about it - but that was one of the things I thought were weird, when reading some of this thread.
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Wow, Menny - I was writing that as you were posting it!

Great minds?

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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.
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This last weekend I found out that my mother had an extremely high IQ when she was young. She went to a private school called California Childrens College - during the early and mid 50's. She had a private room while everyone else slept in dorms, she always thought that was strange.

I've wondered if something happened to her there - my mother has had a sad life due to drug use and never did anything with her potential. She could paint, was musically gifted but couldn't do her basic studies well, due to having ADD (which they obviously didn't know of back then).

My mother is very sensitive - like my sister and I. We can finish each others thoughts and even speak without speaking. I never thought anything of it until I was older - but there were plenty of times that one of us said nothing and the other answered what we were thinking of. When I was very young 3-4 I remember finishing her thoughts a lot and her looking at me incredulously. Over the years I think we would just take it for granted.

I can't find anything on California Childrens College (in Hollywood) except a post on a site looking for people who went there (but that post is almost 10 years old). It mentioned that the owner but I can't find any info on her either.

My mother was also part of the whole Hippie and LSD movement and took LSD for a year and a half straight! Her talents/gifts have been dulled by her drug use and I always wondered what could have been with her...
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Wow, Menny - I was writing that as you were posting it!

Great minds?

:)
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Happens to me quite a bit on here, it seems! ;D
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So I just had a very interesting conversation with my mother that gave us both chills.

All along I've sort of suspected that my father was possibly a subject in MK-Ultra or at the very least subjected to something similar to what we were. He did mention having IQ testing done as a child and being told it was very high, he also exhibited some symptoms of 'childhood schizophrenia' (what we'd now classify as some form of OCD). Unfortunately he died a few years ago so I was never able to ask him more about the sorts of tests he underwent or what he might remember. He rarely talked about that or his time in the Marines.

Anyway, I was talking to my mother today about some of the things I've been reading here. I've mentioned this thread and my memory holes related to the program to her on several occasions over the past several months and she's never mentioned anything happening to her until today.

She told me that she has a very clear memory of being pulled out of class when she was in fourth grade (this would have been around 1956) and taken to a room for tests by men she didn't know. She said they showed her a number of cards and asked her to describe the shapes behind the cards, and then she said 'they did things to me and I cried'. I asked her specifically what they did and she said she remembered that they hooked her up to some sort of machine and put things on her fingers and that it hurt. She said they asked her lots of questions and that she was terrified. She went home and told her parents and they went to the school to complain, but they never told her what the school told them or anything like that.

My mom has told me before that she remembers being able to do extraordinary things as a very young child which I won't get into here, but I can't help thinking there might be a common thread here. At the very least it's a pretty chilling anecdote.
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This last weekend I found out that my mother had an extremely high IQ when she was young. She went to a private school called California Childrens College - during the early and mid 50's. She had a private room while everyone else slept in dorms, she always thought that was strange.

I've wondered if something happened to her there - my mother has had a sad life due to drug use and never did anything with her potential. She could paint, was musically gifted but couldn't do her basic studies well, due to having ADD (which they obviously didn't know of back then).

My mother is very sensitive - like my sister and I. We can finish each others thoughts and even speak without speaking. I never thought anything of it until I was older - but there were plenty of times that one of us said nothing and the other answered what we were thinking of. When I was very young 3-4 I remember finishing her thoughts a lot and her looking at me incredulously. Over the years I think we would just take it for granted.

I can't find anything on California Childrens College (in Hollywood) except a post on a site looking for people who went there (but that post is almost 10 years old). It mentioned that the owner but I can't find any info on her either.

My mother was also part of the whole Hippie and LSD movement and took LSD for a year and a half straight! Her talents/gifts have been dulled by her drug use and I always wondered what could have been with her...
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It would be great if you could find info from the school. I'm guessing specific records either don't exist or were destroyed as they were for the rest of us.

(I of course had to do a cursory search myself and found a list of a surprising number of Russians on a European social networking site who list themselves as alumni, haha wtf)
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It would be great if you could find info from the school. I'm guessing specific records either don't exist or were destroyed as they were for the rest of us.

(I of course had to do a cursory search myself and found a list of a surprising number of Russians on a European social networking site who list themselves as alumni, haha wtf)
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Exchange students? (or confused bots)
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It would be great if you could find info from the school. I'm guessing specific records either don't exist or were destroyed as they were for the rest of us.

(I of course had to do a cursory search myself and found a list of a surprising number of Russians on a European social networking site who list themselves as alumni, haha wtf)
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Exchange students? (or confused bots)
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I'm guessing confused bots since one of the profiles had a photo of Miley Cyrus for a picture, haha.

(Apologies for unintentionally derailing, I'm just endlessly amused by the weird dead ends that seem to come up. Laugh or cry, I suppose.)
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My mom was in California in the 50's as well. Unsure of when she moved there but she was definitely there from 1957 (possibly before?) to 1963. Also remembers seeing the military intel sphinx (at Holabird) as a kid (if related).

And yes, she's the same way. Just not sure if the electromagnetic issue is a problem. She did buy my sister and I special watches that were "us" proof. There's a few oddities about her. She always picks up very specific things for me on a "whim" that happen to be exactly what I had recently thought of or wanted. Kind of handy but always weird. Especially when it's like an odd spice or a specific book. She's good.

Biometric type devices don't work well on us. Automatic paper towel dispensers and faucets are always denying my existence. Jerks. lol :)
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Wow, Menny - I was writing that as you were posting it!

Great minds?

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Happens to me quite a bit on here, it seems! ;D
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Mhmmm. I swear it's a hivemind. lol
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My mom was in California in the 50's as well. Unsure of when she moved there but she was definitely there from 1957 (possibly before?) to 1963. Also remembers seeing the military intel sphinx (at Holabird) as a kid (if related).

And yes, she's the same way. Just not sure if the electromagnetic issue is a problem. She did buy my sister and I special watches that were "us" proof. There's a few oddities about her. She always picks up very specific things for me on a "whim" that happen to be exactly what I had recently thought of or wanted. Kind of handy but always weird. Especially when it's like an odd spice or a specific book. She's good.

Biometric type devices don't work well on us. Automatic paper towel dispensers and faucets are always denying my existence. Jerks. lol :)
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Back on topic, my mother and I call each other at the same time so often that it's just a running joke, now. Neither of us hear the phone ring, we often just hear each other dialing.

The connection between my father and I was something else all together, though. We used to play a game in which we'd think of a word and try to guess it and I'd say we got it about 80% of the time. When I was a child I was absolutely certain that I could communicate with him at any distance with my mind, it seemed perfectly normal to me and it wasn't until I was older that I realized it was odd. I remember several instances where I'd be at a friend's house and want to go home or in some sort of trouble and would simply mentally tell him to come and he'd show up.

Sometimes I feel that I can mentally suggest things to people to get what I want, and not always not entirely consciously or intentionally. I try to be skeptical of myself in that regard but it happens often enough that I question it.
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i was asked to be in the GATE program in california in the seventh grade, by my principle and a few teachers, but i refused. i was a very outgoing, and very easily distracted kid. i think my teachers noticed i had much potential, and tried to save me from myself. thankfully my art teacher got through to me, told me i had a real talent, and that i should pursue my craft. i ended up being expelled for bad behavior, and within two years i was taken from my single mom, and i lived in a group home until i was 18. i took many random tests throughout all these ordeals, and had to see a therapist, which i always despised. only recently have i become "awake" and i learn more truths everyday. life is what you perceive it to be.
Something deep, and thought provoking.

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My mom was in California in the 50's as well. Unsure of when she moved there but she was definitely there from 1957 (possibly before?) to 1963. Also remembers seeing the military intel sphinx (at Holabird) as a kid (if related).

And yes, she's the same way. Just not sure if the electromagnetic issue is a problem. She did buy my sister and I special watches that were "us" proof. There's a few oddities about her. She always picks up very specific things for me on a "whim" that happen to be exactly what I had recently thought of or wanted. Kind of handy but always weird. Especially when it's like an odd spice or a specific book. She's good.

Biometric type devices don't work well on us. Automatic paper towel dispensers and faucets are always denying my existence. Jerks. lol :)
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Back on topic, my mother and I call each other at the same time so often that it's just a running joke, now. Neither of us hear the phone ring, we often just hear each other dialing.

The connection between my father and I was something else all together, though. We used to play a game in which we'd think of a word and try to guess it and I'd say we got it about 80% of the time. When I was a child I was absolutely certain that I could communicate with him at any distance with my mind, it seemed perfectly normal to me and it wasn't until I was older that I realized it was odd. I remember several instances where I'd be at a friend's house and want to go home or in some sort of trouble and would simply mentally tell him to come and he'd show up.

Sometimes I feel that I can mentally suggest things to people to get what I want, and not always not entirely consciously or intentionally. I try to be skeptical of myself in that regard but it happens often enough that I question it.
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Yeah, my mom and I do the same thing. I just scare the crap out of my dad. He's not a fan of his daughter being able to do odd things. Probably because he was up to no good half the time, lol. I knew that he had impregnated a woman when I was 13 and told both of them on the morning they announced their divorce. His fear might have been well founded, lol. He told my stepmother about that stuff because she ended up using me to find him when he hadn't come home yet. I could find him anywhere. Definitely well founded, lol. My grandfather and I had the same kind of connection though. I could be a thousand miles away and know if he was okay or not.

I can smell death on a person or animal. It's a grim talent but it also made it so that I was right there when the dying needed me the most. On the bright side, I was able to spot a 8 weeks pregnant neighbor from 6 houses away. Just looked at her walking down the street and blurted out she was pregnant to the other two neighbors that I was talking with. They actually asked her when she got to us and she was really shocked. Sad thing was, I also knew she wasn't going to keep the baby. Most of the time, I just blurt things out but never death. That one is really hard to utter. Probably because I don't want it to be true and to utter such a thing would be monstrous. I've known the time of death for all three of my grandparents despite not being present. It was just like they all blinked out on my radar.

I have a question for you. When you pass out and you wake up, is it like you have been on some horizon of light? I'm like I am wiped clean but like I've actually been elsewhere--that horizon. Curious if that's the same for you since we both have this lovely curse. Btw, I can't do it anymore. There's been times that I've really wanted to go but I can't. I don't pass out anymore and it's a good thing.
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The road to hell may be paved with good intentions.

[link to www.csun.edu]

In this part of Gowan's writings, he discusses, more fully, the idea of positive disintegration or developmental forcing. He lists off the various techniques that are used to attempt developmental forcing and states that biofeedback has the most neutral effect when it comes to developmental forcing. Thankfully, he does consider developmental forcing to be unnatural and suggests meditation instead. However, and this is a big however, biofeedback was used.

A search on biofeedback and gifted children gets a number of hits on google scholar. I heavily suggest running a search for yourself as it is rather eye opening to simply look at the little snippets provided.

Ie. Article about usage of EMG frontalis biofeedback on gifted children (1985). [link to www.amsciepub.com]

Basically, their perception of what biofeedback was doing was that it was decreasing anxiety and promoting relaxation in gifted children. This would totally explain the memories that some of us have reported of something being strapped onto their heads. Here's the logic flaw in what they were doing though. Just like Menny's mom may have undergone a nerve conduction study, something that is run on people everyday for a variety of reasons, the memory of the study was traumatic. What happens is that you basically have a child's view of what is occurring and that thing is painful, quite probably violating, and a "scary" event, doubly made so because her parents were not around to monitor or control what was occurring (as opposed to have a parent with them at a doctor's office to reassure). So whereas the test itself may have been perceived as relatively harmless, the view from the child's perspective was vastly different.

With biofeedback, the outcome would most likely be the same if not worse. From what I could glean from the short snippets is that emg frontalis biofeedback was being used to trigger alpha states in gifted children so that they would feel relaxed. On the surface that sounds very nicey nicey but that disregards the "what after?" issue. From a child's (or even an adult's perspective), having something placed onto one's head that completely alters how they feel could very much have the potential effect of "dissolving" one's sense of ego. A machine made you feel something that you were not before. Toss in the scary aspects of the thing actually being done, as in the experience of Menny's mom, through the perspective of a child and the outcome would be traumatic. The temporary effect of relaxation, instead of promoting a feeling of well being in the child, could instead create a much greater sense of anxiety. People are very possessive of their sense of their own free will. It's very obvious when you bring up the subjects of hypnosis or subliminal messaging that the prospect of being made to think something other than what they would normally is terrifying or rejected utterly. Now imagine a child being strapped to a machine that MAKES them feel something that they weren't previously. How is that any different?

I also stumbled across another article in regards to meditation being used in the gifted program. Couldn't find it again but basically, the teacher used meditation for relaxation using visual imagery. I found that kind of peculiar as I have taken jiu jitsu and one of the things that we had to do before each class was meditation. Quite simply, assuming a specific sitting position and regulating breathing to focus on emptying the mind at one's own pace and guidance. That's the Eastern view of what is meditation. According to the gifted program, it was "guided" with visual imagery. More like hypnosis than meditation.

Overall, the combo of these things may have been what they were calling "positive disintegration" or the forced dissolution of the sense of self in the hopes of the individual becoming greater for it. More like disintegration if you ask me.
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Yes.
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hey...i am the person who posted about my partner killing himself recently. this was attempt #4, starting in may, i went through 3 attempts with him. i really want to understand, and i know this thread was important to him...so if ANYONE can give me real leads to info on the mind control, etc., i'd really appreciate it. i'd like to write an article.

also i am only on page 7 of this thread BUT, everything you guys are talking about are things i do/know/etc....what's that? lots of resonation going on. the books, the reading...i grew up in california, off grid, in the redwoods, i did all of the things you guys were asked to do but i did it on my own because i had no media or anything else...the prolonged dreaming, training myself to hypnotise myself, lots of it...i am sure i will find more as i go.

i have a very high IQ as well.

please help me find the info to put together to understand what he went through so i can do something positive. if i don't, i'm going to implode. he was so kind, gentle, good, talented, and amazing. he was everything good, and he couldn't live with what they did to him. here is his letter to his mom after attempt #2:

Mom,

Why is it I cannot get any acknowledgment on what I went through in that MGM/GATE program in elementary school? Why did you not want to talk about it on the phone before? Did it seem like something was strange about it at the time I was in it? I only ask these questions because I cannot stop seeking more answers as to why they did what they did to me. I was a different child, a different person before they did what they did. It is only within the last few years that I have recovered so many memories and have discovered who I was before. However, the mental trauma and sexual abuse they performed on me still leaves me shattered because as much as I want to recover fully who I was, the damage has been done. I am trying to heal, but they do not want me to heal. They fear me (and others like me who went through this) recovering all of these memories and recovering ourselves and working towards exposing their “programs” and seeking justice.

I didn’t ask to be part of all this, but it happened. And, I am sorry to have to tell you about the sexual abuse. It explains so much about why I thought that J was sexually abused and why I thought M was sexually abused by that older neighbor guy he used to hang out with when he was a kid and we lived on M St. I was projecting the fact that I was abused and I didn’t know it because I had compartmentalized it deep within my mind. It also explains why I have always protected kids (especially my own) because I know what these sick people are capable of. I have opened this compartmentalization of these memories as much as I can. It has been devastating.

Again, I am sorry to have to tell you all this. I know you don’t want to hear it, but I just need you to know what has been going on. I have tried to deal with all this, not talk about it, keep it to myself, and the last six months have been even more trying than it was last year. As for Intel and all of that, I experienced there what I experienced. I do not know why the CIA watches me and why they brought me there. I feel it was to shatter my mind further, make me go insane, scare me with death threats, because, again, they do not want people coming forward about the MGM/GATE programs which they were behind from the beginning. I refused to allow them to torture me further or to make me bow down before them as be a part of their sick plans for the future. I was able to let go of fear of death and become closer to God through all the crap they put me through. God was there for me and gave me solace through it all. I know that God is there and I will only walk with him, towards the light and the truth.

I know this all sounds “crazy” and doubt if anyone would believe it. It is sort of like the thing I went through with T’s regressive autism. No one around me believed that the diet would work, but it did because I also asked God at the time for guidance (while holding T in the park and crying out to God). God led me along the path to the answers and the diet. It is the same with this situation, except I do not have answers on how to make myself better and escape from this “prison” the CIA has constructed around me and around everyone in the U.S. That is what is most devastating is realizing you are up against these sick people who control so much about our lives, who monitor our communications, who are within police departments, who are within the justice system, who control the main stream media. I guess my only hope is continued faith that God will do something. If not, my place is in heaven because I cannot take it anymore.

This is where I have been and am at. I tried to kill myself last Friday by eating over 30 woody nightshade berries and they did nothing to me, not a single thing. I do not know why that happened. I should have had some symptoms, yet I did not. I know killing myself will be devastating to those around me, those that love me. However, I cannot continue suffering. Yes, it may be selfish, I understand that, but I am doing it because I cannot take the suffering anymore. I wish I was stronger, I wish I could ignore what they did to me. It is like being trapped and having no way out. I cannot find joy in anything. I cannot connect with my body anymore because I feel God call me and want to be at peace and be with God. I am sorry to have to say this, but it needed to be said, all of it.

Please forgive me for saying all of this. I just wanted you and dad to know, so you can let S, T, and F know how much I love them, how much I wanted for a different life for them with me in it, how I wanted to see them grow up and become adults, how I wanted to be a dad for them always. I have to take solace that I had the time I did with them. They will hopefully always remember that and remember how much their father loves them. I love you and dad too. You have done so much for me, and I am sorry to let you down so much. I tried not to, tried to battle through.

Gus
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Okay, triple posting but it just hit me. I bet you anything that it was a nerve conduction study that they were doing. My reasoning is that a lot of us are "zappers". One of the things that Gowan talked about was electromagnetic abilities and the subject of what he called "orgone". He said that it went through the fingertips. I have emitted a blue arc of electricity from my fingertips so I've seen that baby firsthand. I wonder if that's what they were looking for...that weird little bioelectricity that we seemed to have extra doses of. Okay, now walking away again but had to add this thought.
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I'm dull :(
Not psychic
No zapping
My greatest ability is a low heart rate in crisis lmfao, and I'm pretty sure that was trained into me.

I seriously wonder how I got pulled into everything.
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Because you're "gifted", silly. They were looking for giftedness--that intellect plus ?? aspect in children. Precocity, creativity, additional ability outside of the norm. Gowan's definitely of "exotic ability" includes pretty much anything from zappiness to clairvoyance, better hearing, or superior brain function. A tetrachromat would have an "exotic ability" and not be psychic or zappy. Someone with superior hearing, too. Gifted is more likely to be a catch all for everything "gifted" outside of the norm.
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i'm extremely clairvoyant, boy am i glad i didn't go to those classes!!!! all things considered i guess i got off easy. but it was so weird...he and i would talk about books and interests and everything, and we were so on the same page but his was all the program. we were also the same age.

oh FYI, to contact me, bootsnbolts AT GMAIL dot COM.

thanks. i get banned a lot so please email me.
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We've been digging thanks to one of us who found a list of names associated with the MGM program in 1969. There are a series of links on the last couple pages that helps outline what may have been going on with names, affiliations and more. I still say that Gowan is probably the most interesting connector of things because he's very clear about what positive disintegration was and how to do it.
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