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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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Here is an example of some stuff to look at. Not too specific, not too general.

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Yep. Worse yet, it's next to impossible to say that those things that should raise alarm bells in anyone had anything to do with this or were simply a "personal problem". It's a wretched mess. Then again, if something was significantly amiss, then they wouldn't make it easy at all. If there is one thing that I would lay a charge against the program for is the lack of full transparency. Finding out what happened with us shouldn't be impossible (unless you're within that 5 year mark) and most of what I could find was less curriculum (rare) and more research results and theories. Bunch of assholes. They were working with kids in a specialized program. FULL transparency should be mandated.

My concerns about that date, btw, was more social effects than any sort of end of the world. The latter is mostly due to my aforementioned associations with the daddies of the 2012 theme, which I will regret til the end of my own days.
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I don't know about the academic side, but when it comes to medical research they only need to keep the individual participant files for a few years (I forget if it is one or three) before disposing of them. I find it reprehensible considering that medical issues could come up after the fact and those patients might need their records.

If the academic side keeps records for longer, maybe going back through personal student records would be a way of tracing what programs were in use at various times. Even if most things were buried, not everything always is and there tend to be clues left behind.
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At any rate, there are a BUNCH of black helicopters flying around right now, like, every other hour. And I'd really rather not say something that could be taken the wrong way/piss someone off, and wind up in wallawalla.

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That fear is why there is so little truth today.
Why connect military and police activity with a personal search for what textbooks or instruments were used 20 years ago?
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^ you're assuming I meant in terms of saying something about a sensitive aspect of the program, rather than the overall situation. I mean the overall situation.
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As for doing research on the student record itself. I remembering reading a document which stated such things were kept in a separate file and not allowed to be combined in the student record. I don't have an author to quote or a link to share because I didn't realize the significance of the information and thought I would be able to just google it up again but ... Aside from the why did they do this or what did they want, I feel I may never know.
I have been on an interesting personal journey of my own and have remembered so many vivid details of my life down to my 2nd year and yet have only been able to remember a couple of names of kids in the mgm with me and possible teachers plus various things studied.
I keep coming back to this one thought so I'm gonna throw it out here. This thread may possibly contain some of the most brilliant minds in the nation. What would happen if we brainstormed? You do remember brainstorming right? I just wonder what we could find.
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Yep. Worse yet, it's next to impossible to say that those things that should raise alarm bells in anyone had anything to do with this or were simply a "personal problem". It's a wretched mess. Then again, if something was significantly amiss, then they wouldn't make it easy at all. If there is one thing that I would lay a charge against the program for is the lack of full transparency. Finding out what happened with us shouldn't be impossible (unless you're within that 5 year mark) and most of what I could find was less curriculum (rare) and more research results and theories. Bunch of assholes. They were working with kids in a specialized program. FULL transparency should be mandated.

My concerns about that date, btw, was more social effects than any sort of end of the world. The latter is mostly due to my aforementioned associations with the daddies of the 2012 theme, which I will regret til the end of my own days.
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I don't know about the academic side, but when it comes to medical research they only need to keep the individual participant files for a few years (I forget if it is one or three) before disposing of them. I find it reprehensible considering that medical issues could come up after the fact and those patients might need their records.

If the academic side keeps records for longer, maybe going back through personal student records would be a way of tracing what programs were in use at various times. Even if most things were buried, not everything always is and there tend to be clues left behind.
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Lisafishes is correct. I found multiple states that had all gifted program student files stored separately with limited access and to be destroyed 5 years after the student turned 18. Medical records--that's a pot shot. I know I can't get mine. I tried in the past. Last time I actually saw a copy of it at the doctor's, it was about 3 inches thick. We called it "War and Peace". My mother was also blocked from getting her medical record for the time that she was a dependent as well.
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As for doing research on the student record itself. I remembering reading a document which stated such things were kept in a separate file and not allowed to be combined in the student record. I don't have an author to quote or a link to share because I didn't realize the significance of the information and thought I would be able to just google it up again but ... Aside from the why did they do this or what did they want, I feel I may never know.
I have been on an interesting personal journey of my own and have remembered so many vivid details of my life down to my 2nd year and yet have only been able to remember a couple of names of kids in the mgm with me and possible teachers plus various things studied.
I keep coming back to this one thought so I'm gonna throw it out here. This thread may possibly contain some of the most brilliant minds in the nation. What would happen if we brainstormed? You do remember brainstorming right? I just wonder what we could find.
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Brainstorming sounds good.

Don't give up on the memories either. I've done a ridiculous amount of memory work over the last year and I now even remember surgeries that were done under twilight anesthesia which I was sure were chemically blocked and gone for good. Not that anyone wants to remember surgeries, but the point is your memories are probably all in your head somewhere, even any artificially blocked bits (although the memory is limited by what we take in, I probably would never have learned half of the kids names so there would be no recall on that).
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I don't want to give specific examples because I've realized that not everyone on/reading this thread is mentally stable; I don't want to cause a psychotic episode... sorry for making any assumptions.

I flat out just don't know of specific examples for other states, so there is little point in me doing the leg work when you could do it for yourselves. If people were to look into local programs and build a database, that'd be different... and extremely useless and boring??? Anyhow, I don't see anyone doing that, and my thread for such things is fairly dead; I think it is safe to assume that this is a sign.

At any rate, there are a BUNCH of black helicopters flying around right now, like, every other hour. And I'd really rather not say something that could be taken the wrong way/piss someone off, and wind up in wallawalla.

As far as I know, the statement that they've stopped keeping track of students is misinformation; I recall signing a contract that they were allowed to... for a period of 10 years or so with possible extensions. You can bet that a bunch of other people signed the same contract not understanding what it meant at the time. I don't know if that was very common though, nor do I regret signing it.

Don't take me too seriously.

Whatever, this thread is nearly 300 pages of cyclical logic, fear mongering, creative writing, fuzzy childhood memories, and bits of the truth sprinkled in.
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And you don't think that some of us have tried looking into specific programs? I know the name of the individual who was in charge of the curriculum for my state during the time period in question. All I know is that he had a preference for Piaget. As far as finding the curriculum itself for my state in my time period--haven't found it yet but it's not for lack of looking as you seem to imply. You must not have read the entire thread yet because there are several pages where we are actually trying to identify specific people in the program and looking for whatever we could find on them. Furthermore, what you say is contrary to what people on this thread have found when trying to gain those student specific records and what is stated by law in multiple states with programs.

If there are black helicopters outside of your home, then, "doctor", heal yourself and stop casting aspersions on others for your mental shortcomings. It's undignified. Nice touch on the schizophrenia paper. Frankly, I wish I was insane because then, there would be a pill I could take to fix this. Unfortunately for me, all hope for just being insane went out the window when I found the damn tape.
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As for doing research on the student record itself. I remembering reading a document which stated such things were kept in a separate file and not allowed to be combined in the student record. I don't have an author to quote or a link to share because I didn't realize the significance of the information and thought I would be able to just google it up again but ... Aside from the why did they do this or what did they want, I feel I may never know.
I have been on an interesting personal journey of my own and have remembered so many vivid details of my life down to my 2nd year and yet have only been able to remember a couple of names of kids in the mgm with me and possible teachers plus various things studied.
I keep coming back to this one thought so I'm gonna throw it out here. This thread may possibly contain some of the most brilliant minds in the nation. What would happen if we brainstormed? You do remember brainstorming right? I just wonder what we could find.
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I'm down with brainstorming. Just gotta remember the two most key rules of brainstorming--1. no idea is stupid and 2. devil's advocacy.
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Actually, I don't "normally" have the fears of black helos outside of my home. They weren't there because of me, it was due to certain 'guests' in my area which required heightened security. I'm fairly certain any student could correlate that statement with the time/date stamp and figure out what I'm talking about.


That being said, the "schitzo" papers were used as a key topic (though not the MAIN TOPIC,) of research... why are so many GATE students prone to social isolation, "abnormal" thought patterns, and underachievement? Just look at the dropout rates for GATE students if you don't believe me; it is extremely high for both high school and college. And, like I said, I have no-idea if the same research was occurring in any other state. Just search for "schizotypal traits in children" and understand that if you're making a program that is trying to encourage creativity and mental skills, you need to figure out what is holding students back. Heck, is it so surprising that kids who have been taught all their lives that they are different and "more intelligent" should start to have complexes?

I'd like to think that "they" weren't trying to make GATE students insane, merely finding out what made us different from the rest. That way, any future versions of the program could be made more successful/efficient. If you can make the classes more engaging, entertaining, and productive, keeping the students in line becomes easier.

Please, don't jump to conclusions with this. Which is what you've been doing for the past 231 pages.
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And I don't mean "you" literally.
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Yep !
Don't take me too seriously.

Whatever, this thread is nearly 300 pages of cyclical logic, fear mongering, creative writing, fuzzy childhood memories, and bits of the truth sprinkled in.
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It has been stated several times on this thread that the information given on here is being used for data mining, to what purpose would it serve? Even if we took a poll to see how many were female or left handed or whatever, what benefit could that information have to anyone at this point in time, about a handful of 40 or 50 somethings remembering their childhoods?
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Actually, I don't "normally" have the fears of black helos outside of my home. They weren't there because of me, it was due to certain 'guests' in my area which required heightened security. I'm fairly certain any student could correlate that statement with the time/date stamp and figure out what I'm talking about.


That being said, the "schitzo" papers were used as a key topic (though not the MAIN TOPIC,) of research... why are so many GATE students prone to social isolation, "abnormal" thought patterns, and underachievement? Just look at the dropout rates for GATE students if you don't believe me; it is extremely high for both high school and college. And, like I said, I have no-idea if the same research was occurring in any other state. Just search for "schizotypal traits in children" and understand that if you're making a program that is trying to encourage creativity and mental skills, you need to figure out what is holding students back. Heck, is it so surprising that kids who have been taught all their lives that they are different and "more intelligent" should start to have complexes?

I'd like to think that "they" weren't trying to make GATE students insane, merely finding out what made us different from the rest. That way, any future versions of the program could be made more successful/efficient. If you can make the classes more engaging, entertaining, and productive, keeping the students in line becomes easier.

Please, don't jump to conclusions with this. Which is what you've been doing for the past 231 pages.
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You're the one that keeps interjecting things that sound insane into this thread from aliens to black helicopters. What's your point? You're also the one asking elsewhere on here the query as to how many GATE felt that they had been blacklisted and then, reciting your own experiences. (And btw, for the record, no...had no problems getting my degrees from the educational system.) If you're not a nut, then quit acting like one.

Yes, there are papers on schizophrenic behaviors in regards to the intellectually gifted. Most of them are old and there is no statistic given to basically correlate a higher rate of schizotypal traits in the gifted that I have ever seen. Furthermore, recent history pretty much shows what someone who IS psychotic can do if they also happen to have a high iq. You forget I HAVE done my homework and I actually found a great deal. That which I could post to the thread, I did. Unfortunately, I can't post pdfs that I had to download from academic databases. And btw, did you miss the pdf where Dr. Krippner was suggesting the use of LSD and hypnosis for these same kids? Or how about Gowan's admission of creating schizophrenic breaks and dissociation in children? Did you miss these things, too?

If you had done your homework, you would have also noted the many discussions about the isolation as being an affect of higher intelligence and not because of any sort of mental imbalance. Discussions of underachievement--well, they did this anything goes program and then basically dumped us back into normal classrooms at that same time period. That's a pretty typical response. And "abnormal" thought patterns--do you mean the additional brainwaves that we have? That's typical for a higher functioning brain--again, nothing to do with schizoid behavior.

I have indeed done my homework. I agree that the thread has had an issue with being cyclical. If you have read the thread, you'll see me complaining about it while posting whatever I have found online for perusal. Good lord, I was the one who had something to do with people being able to access, albeit temporarily, the Gifted Child Quarterly so they could perhaps find some answers.

You really enjoy twisting things, don't you? I ask again--what's your point because you really are trying to drive the "we're all insane" theme into this thread.
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And I don't mean "you" literally.
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Too late. Penalty box for you for making even more blanket statements.
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It has been stated several times on this thread that the information given on here is being used for data mining, to what purpose would it serve? Even if we took a poll to see how many were female or left handed or whatever, what benefit could that information have to anyone at this point in time, about a handful of 40 or 50 somethings remembering their childhoods?
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Fears of datamining seem to be a common one on this forum (btw, purportedly, I'm a dataminer because I counted how many of us had amnesia). As far as interest goes, they did actually track down and query former Project Talent participants not that long ago. They would be much older than 40 or 50 year olds as that was initiated in 1960. So really, if they were looking to find out information about what we turned out like, they would've probably just asked us instead of trolling a forum for it. Would be cheaper (considering they would have to weed out potential ARG idiots and fakes), potentially illegal, and, last but not least, a public forum would be a terrible source as a scientific method. Sending us a cute little 10 page long questionnaire would be usable research. Forum = not.

So totally agree with you.
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Not California but I was in the program in Illinois in the early 80s. Basically what you described. We were often taken out of class for special testing. Got special classes in computer use with early Apples including learning how to program in BASIC, while the normal kids barely ever got to touch a computer. Also got special library sessions were we could just read whatever we wanted. We also got IQ testing every couple of years.

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Same. Early to mid-80s for me. They called it "GT" (gifted and talented). We were taken from class and given problems to work through, puzzles, tests, etc.
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So... Were we programmed to end up here?
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Maybe the early subjects of this program are elderly...
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You're the one that keeps interjecting things that sound insane into this thread from aliens to black helicopters. What's your point? You're also the one asking elsewhere on here the query as to how many GATE felt that they had been blacklisted and then, reciting your own experiences. (And btw, for the record, no...had no problems getting my degrees from the educational system.) If you're not a nut, then quit acting like one.

Yes, there are papers on schizophrenic behaviors in regards to the intellectually gifted. Most of them are old and there is no statistic given to basically correlate a higher rate of schizotypal traits in the gifted that I have ever seen. Furthermore, recent history pretty much shows what someone who IS psychotic can do if they also happen to have a high iq. You forget I HAVE done my homework and I actually found a great deal. That which I could post to the thread, I did. Unfortunately, I can't post pdfs that I had to download from academic databases. And btw, did you miss the pdf where Dr. Krippner was suggesting the use of LSD and hypnosis for these same kids? Or how about Gowan's admission of creating schizophrenic breaks and dissociation in children? Did you miss these things, too?

If you had done your homework, you would have also noted the many discussions about the isolation as being an affect of higher intelligence and not because of any sort of mental imbalance. Discussions of underachievement--well, they did this anything goes program and then basically dumped us back into normal classrooms at that same time period. That's a pretty typical response. And "abnormal" thought patterns--do you mean the additional brainwaves that we have? That's typical for a higher functioning brain--again, nothing to do with schizoid behavior.

I have indeed done my homework. I agree that the thread has had an issue with being cyclical. If you have read the thread, you'll see me complaining about it while posting whatever I have found online for perusal. Good lord, I was the one who had something to do with people being able to access, albeit temporarily, the Gifted Child Quarterly so they could perhaps find some answers.

You really enjoy twisting things, don't you? I ask again--what's your point because you really are trying to drive the "we're all insane" theme into this thread.
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I never did any of those things, and considering the fact that the subjects were encouraged to use critical reasoning skills... your posts are trying to discredit me. Rather ineffectually/ineptly at that.

As such, I will end my posting to this thread. I have no idea of who YOU are, much less those who will follow in our footsteps.

The traditional mason symbols which are so often used are things which no-one who has been legitimately granted their use will use in such a place and time as this.


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You're the one that keeps interjecting things that sound insane into this thread from aliens to black helicopters. What's your point? You're also the one asking elsewhere on here the query as to how many GATE felt that they had been blacklisted and then, reciting your own experiences. (And btw, for the record, no...had no problems getting my degrees from the educational system.) If you're not a nut, then quit acting like one.

Yes, there are papers on schizophrenic behaviors in regards to the intellectually gifted. Most of them are old and there is no statistic given to basically correlate a higher rate of schizotypal traits in the gifted that I have ever seen. Furthermore, recent history pretty much shows what someone who IS psychotic can do if they also happen to have a high iq. You forget I HAVE done my homework and I actually found a great deal. That which I could post to the thread, I did. Unfortunately, I can't post pdfs that I had to download from academic databases. And btw, did you miss the pdf where Dr. Krippner was suggesting the use of LSD and hypnosis for these same kids? Or how about Gowan's admission of creating schizophrenic breaks and dissociation in children? Did you miss these things, too?

If you had done your homework, you would have also noted the many discussions about the isolation as being an affect of higher intelligence and not because of any sort of mental imbalance. Discussions of underachievement--well, they did this anything goes program and then basically dumped us back into normal classrooms at that same time period. That's a pretty typical response. And "abnormal" thought patterns--do you mean the additional brainwaves that we have? That's typical for a higher functioning brain--again, nothing to do with schizoid behavior.

I have indeed done my homework. I agree that the thread has had an issue with being cyclical. If you have read the thread, you'll see me complaining about it while posting whatever I have found online for perusal. Good lord, I was the one who had something to do with people being able to access, albeit temporarily, the Gifted Child Quarterly so they could perhaps find some answers.

You really enjoy twisting things, don't you? I ask again--what's your point because you really are trying to drive the "we're all insane" theme into this thread.
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I never did any of those things, and considering the fact that the subjects were encouraged to use critical reasoning skills... your posts are trying to discredit me. Rather ineffectually/ineptly at that.

As such, I will end my posting to this thread. I have no idea of who YOU are, much less those who will follow in our footsteps.

The traditional mason symbols which are so often used are things which no-one who has been legitimately granted their use will use in such a place and time as this.


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I'm calling you out on being clear as mud. Not telling you not to post but it's ironic that you're saying that you never done the things that I said (talking about helicopters, aliens, and the education GATE thread) when all you have to do for two of those is scroll up and the other is easily found in a search and linked to you by user id. Cut it out and just think before you type. Filling this thread up with that kind of thing isn't fair to those who have been seriously looking for answers. Get it?

Re-read your sentence about the Mason symbols. Tell me how that makes any sense. The best I can do with that sentence and trying to figure out what you're saying is that those who are using Masonic symbols without authorization are using them on this forum at this time.

And who am I? I'm just another former student within this bloody program. Reading things that are misleading, twisting, or lacking in clarity actually triggers me in a way, I guess. I don't like it and see it as no different than what is done in propaganda generation.
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Maybe the early subjects of this program are elderly...
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They would be. Terman's termites and Project talent would be in their 60's and up.
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Maybe the early subjects of this program are elderly...
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They would be. Terman's termites and Project talent would be in their 60's and up.
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Exactly, and the MGM program in California changed to GATE in the 80's. The curriculum and it's requisite criteria changed as well.
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I've given myself a two month break to try and process some of the things I've read. I'm trying to catch up from page 222 or so...thoughts soon.
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Alright 300, I'll bite this apple. What in your opinion, did the mason's have to do with our education and how is it a relative subject to this thread? I am seriously on a quest for the truth and having spent most of my lifetime in deliberate isolation from the taint of hate, fear and prejudice that has been constantly fed to us via obvious outlets, have had to pursue my education outside of traditional means. I feel a bit like a groundhog, popping back into society every so often to view the state of the world, realizing I don't have the wisdom to make an effectual difference and going back into hibernation to continue my search for truth and wisdom. I am appalled by the amount of deliberate misinformation available and saddened by the number of mean-spirited individuals who pop up on these threads start a distraction and stop the flow of shared knowledge. I have actually put my own search into the mason, eastern star / illuminati stuff on hold while I sort out the mgm program. What I'm saying here is that I'd like someone to just cut to the chase and say what you know or think you know instead of dropping a word or two to draw attention and then saying nothing.
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I know this has been asked already but I would really like to know why op started this thread in the first place, have most of you already been part of this site or what were your reasons for coming to this thread?
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I had been searching for something on the MGM program for years. I was in it in the mid 70's and the early 80's. This thread was one of the only things I could find on the internet - It was here that we dug up the list of who created the MGM program in CA and started uncovering things. I got banned for a bit for posting too many posts in succession and then I gave myself a break for a bit.

I feel like what we've uncovered is enough to draw conclusions from. The people that developed the MGM program in CA were some of the fathers of the New Age Era and New Age-type Psychologists. They were an interesting bunch and their theories alone blow my mind. Interesting stuff. I just don't know to what extent they did anything and the fact that we can't get our records (and I tried when I was 21 and they said they already destroyed them - only 3 years at that time). I've searched for answers without even suspecting anything really - until I figured out who was behind this program. I need to catch up on the thread.

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