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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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I used to be anonymous coward 17927000 - its me.
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You provided a lot of info back in October, I am glad that you're back. If you had said that you lived in Central California in 1978 instead of So. Ca, I would be trippin right now. I have been waking up at 3AM and reliving my childhood in an almost video tour like fashion for the last several days and 2 nights ago I remembered the first name and description of this amazing little 4th grader that was put in our 6th grade class, he went with us on a fieldtrip that turned into a disaster. Rereading your October posts reminded me of that memory.
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TAG was acronym for talent and gifted. What did PACE stand for?
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I've never heard of PACE, the only thing I found when I looked it up was a program for the elderly on medicaid and/or medicare. Also PACE academy, and independent school for k-12 in Atlanta.
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TAG was acronym for talent and gifted. What did PACE stand for?
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Peculiar And Curious Entities?

afro

I could swear I've heard of PACE too.
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TAG was acronym for talent and gifted. What did PACE stand for?
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Possibly: Pursuing Academics, Creativity and Excellence.

[link to www.sheboygan.k12.wi.us]

[link to www.mcpss.com]

[link to www.pace.on.ca]

Looks like another name for the same kind of program.
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dont know if this counts but in nc I was offered to go into the math and science college in raleigh in 2nd grade. My mother refused and was nearly kidnapped not long after tha. Have always felt like I was being watched butthen i said fuck it. being to smart is actually a hinderence to you in this system. Your views are way ahead of your time and whats accepted in social structures. now i just wait for my body to lie down and the lights to come on.
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I know this has been asked already but I would really like to know why op started this thread in the first place, have most of you already been part of this site or what were your reasons for coming to this thread?
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I feel like what we've uncovered is enough to draw conclusions from. The people that developed the MGM program in CA were some of the fathers of the New Age Era and New Age-type Psychologists. They were an interesting bunch and their theories alone blow my mind. Interesting stuff. I just don't know to what extent they did anything and the fact that we can't get our records (and I tried when I was 21 and they said they already destroyed them - only 3 years at that time). I've searched for answers without even suspecting anything really - until I figured out who was behind this program. I need to catch up on the thread.
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That's my theory, too. I found several links back to the Esalen Institute where people involved with the program had been teachers at Esalen. Esalen is supposed to be the New Age hub and is located in Big Sur, CA. Smack in the middle of CA where Terman cited the highest frequencies of gifted children. I suspect that the psychologists involved were either Humanistic or Transpersonal psychologists:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

My theory on Krippner and MK: I've been contemplating the similarities between MK and Krippner's paper. MK's research was on hypnosis, hypnotic suggestions and LSD--exactly what Krippner suggests. According to the original Church Committee on the subject, MK research was taking place at 80 different institutions, including universities so the odds for researchers to become exposed or involved with the research ideas is probably pretty high. Krippner suggested it in 1966, which would have been after the time where MK research was beginning to decline. Declining research would imply cessation of grant monies, which would, in turn, mean altering the specialty for an alternate purpose that could have been stimulated based on MK findings (LSD is for tripping, not a truth drug --> creativity). Basically, instead of it being an actual MK based type of program, it could be simply a spin off based on existing research and meal tickets ending. Krippner's paper could be looking for another meal ticket. The question is--did he get one? That's the million dollar question.

I have one sketchy memory of thinking I could fly (I didn't do drugs as a kid and mom claimed it was due to fever, which I found suspect even back then). Anybody else recollect anything like that? I kind of would like to know if I was tripping due to a drug or a fever, lol.
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dont know if this counts but in nc I was offered to go into the math and science college in raleigh in 2nd grade. My mother refused and was nearly kidnapped not long after tha. Have always felt like I was being watched butthen i said fuck it. being to smart is actually a hinderence to you in this system. Your views are way ahead of your time and whats accepted in social structures. now i just wait for my body to lie down and the lights to come on.
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Ha! I was just talking about this "ahead of our time" thing the other night. My thought on that is that, because we have those higher iq's, we're possibly better able to put together information and come up with answers than the average person. So we end up becoming almost the radical eccentrics of our times because we are head of our time and the rest of the society ends up taking longer to catch up. We just see the writing on the wall faster. In a lot of ways, we're like the social equivalent of early adopters that helps bring notice to something new within the market. When we collectively start adopting a position (in other words, see the same things --> same response, naturally), it may help push a society to notice and move in that direction. I kind of wonder if that's what they meant about us being leaders of a sort or movers and shakers. It just ends up sucking to be us a lot. I know that I beat my head against my desk regularly when looking outward, lol.

I don't know if what happened to your mom was related. One of my dear friends was to be in the program, too, but her mom refused. She never mentioned anything happening afterwards to her family. On the other hand, my mom was worried that I was going to be taken by "them" a lot. I thought she was nuts for it.
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Oh you have no idea of the chills that you just gave me. I have always had very clear memories of flying as a child. It only happened in one particular room of our house, I would have to be 6 or 7 as that is when we lived in that house. I would sit on the loveseat in the formal livingroom and could fly around a limited area above the couch, it's hard to estimate but feels like it was a radius of maybe 10' from the couch and 3' above it. I have retold this story to a few family members in a joking manner because it sounds delusional. And yet have never once wavered from the clear memory of flying. When I recall the memory, it isn't like all of the memories I have of leaving my body during trauma, it was fun and my secret. I wasn't tested for the program until 3rd grade and we had moved into town before that.
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Oh you have no idea of the chills that you just gave me. I have always had very clear memories of flying as a child. It only happened in one particular room of our house, I would have to be 6 or 7 as that is when we lived in that house. I would sit on the loveseat in the formal livingroom and could fly around a limited area above the couch, it's hard to estimate but feels like it was a radius of maybe 10' from the couch and 3' above it. I have retold this story to a few family members in a joking manner because it sounds delusional. And yet have never once wavered from the clear memory of flying. When I recall the memory, it isn't like all of the memories I have of leaving my body during trauma, it was fun and my secret. I wasn't tested for the program until 3rd grade and we had moved into town before that.
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Dayim.
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I am down with the brainstorm thing.
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Maybe attempt to schedule a time for a chat?
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How about what was the whole 12.21.12 thing about?I know some planets were alingned and the media created a gun buying mega storm.After a grusome tv sacrafice.
Just wondering all your thoughts on this.
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Maybe attempt to schedule a time for a chat?
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yes.
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Brainstorming

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How about what was the whole 12.21.12 thing about?I know some planets were alingned and the media created a gun buying mega storm.After a grusome tv sacrafice.
Just wondering all your thoughts on this.
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Kind of chilling that you'd say that, Kaw. I just stated similar last night in regards to a sacrifice in a grim half-jest. Something definitely altered but I think it was man-made and not cosmic. It's really bugging me.

I'm up for any time. Still on my regularly scheduled hiatus so do mean any time.
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Brainstorming

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Ditto. And I laughed when I saw "anything with a white board" because that's exactly what I do. If I can't fully explain my meaning with words, I draw it. I'm sure my recyclers would probably really wonder about me if they went through the paper that I recycle, lol.
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Brainstorming

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Vortex: Anything with a white board

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Vortex: No Mondays, Anything but 10pm to 3am EST.
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I'm down, name the time and I'll do my best to make it
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How about what was the whole 12.21.12 thing about?I know some planets were alingned and the media created a gun buying mega storm.After a grusome tv sacrafice.
Just wondering all your thoughts on this.
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Kind of chilling that you'd say that, Kaw. I just stated similar last night in regards to a sacrifice in a grim half-jest. Something definitely altered but I think it was man-made and not cosmic. It's really bugging me.

I'm up for any time. Still on my regularly scheduled hiatus so do mean any time.
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I may be totally off here but I get the feeling that it was done in an attempt to jumpstart something else ahead of it's fated time. Maybe some group thought they could ensure a catastrophic 21st if they could start panic. Those actors were the worst I'd seen, felt like blatant mockery, very unsettling to myself is I don't feel death around any of those children's pics.
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How about what was the whole 12.21.12 thing about?I know some planets were alingned and the media created a gun buying mega storm.After a grusome tv sacrafice.
Just wondering all your thoughts on this.
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Kind of chilling that you'd say that, Kaw. I just stated similar last night in regards to a sacrifice in a grim half-jest. Something definitely altered but I think it was man-made and not cosmic. It's really bugging me.

I'm up for any time. Still on my regularly scheduled hiatus so do mean any time.
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I may be totally off here but I get the feeling that it was done in an attempt to jumpstart something else ahead of it's fated time. Maybe some group thought they could ensure a catastrophic 21st if they could start panic. Those actors were the worst I'd seen, felt like blatant mockery, very unsettling to myself is I don't feel death around any of those children's pics.
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Felt fake for me as well.
12,21 for me was being in the middle of a media invented gun storm.
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Now why would they want to disarm people yet make them want to buy more guns.
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To start the panic, if most of the population believes that the world is about to end and then ppl start flipping out and shooting crowds, the population is going to panic and start a war within themselves giving the government unquestionable right to declare war on civil unrest. Hope this makes sense, I don't write as proficiently when I'm high.
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dont know if this counts but in nc I was offered to go into the math and science college in raleigh in 2nd grade. My mother refused and was nearly kidnapped not long after tha. Have always felt like I was being watched butthen i said fuck it. being to smart is actually a hinderence to you in this system. Your views are way ahead of your time and whats accepted in social structures. now i just wait for my body to lie down and the lights to come on.
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Ha! I was just talking about this "ahead of our time" thing the other night. My thought on that is that, because we have those higher iq's, we're possibly better able to put together information and come up with answers than the average person. So we end up becoming almost the radical eccentrics of our times because we are head of our time and the rest of the society ends up taking longer to catch up. We just see the writing on the wall faster. In a lot of ways, we're like the social equivalent of early adopters that helps bring notice to something new within the market. When we collectively start adopting a position (in other words, see the same things --> same response, naturally), it may help push a society to notice and move in that direction. I kind of wonder if that's what they meant about us being leaders of a sort or movers and shakers. It just ends up sucking to be us a lot. I know that I beat my head against my desk regularly when looking outward, lol.

I don't know if what happened to your mom was related. One of my dear friends was to be in the program, too, but her mom refused. She never mentioned anything happening afterwards to her family. On the other hand, my mom was worried that I was going to be taken by "them" a lot. I thought she was nuts for it.
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very interesting sorry im bad to not express well it was me that was nearly kidnapped actually twice in my life. But I agree a lot with what you say. I have to work hard to express my thoughts and feelings so many times I leave things out not purposefully just a lot of what I know I could never put into words. Thanks and be well
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7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
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Now why would they want to disarm people yet make them want to buy more guns.
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The simple (and probably a touch cynical) answer: they're getting mixed results because they're fucking idiots that got hired because they're related to someone or they know how to arse kiss rather than because of their intelligence...same goes with the media script writers these days.

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Thanks for the input and happy new years to everyone.
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Guess I'll be the devil's advocate. I don't think that the shootings were faked. I lived in the area of one of them (mall), personally knew a few and know a few who had family members present at the time. The significant trauma of the experience is very palpable in them. The mall shooting preceding the Newtown shooting was very much real.

In regards to the Newtown shooting, one of my closest friends was related to the Lanza's via marriage. They are very much dead. There is still something peculiar with that shooting. It has an odd vibe to it and, to me, it's not the fact that children were the targets as reprehensible as that is. It's Lanza's intent that is bugging me something fierce.

I don't think that they would have needed to fake any of the shooting events. I was fretting that this would occur months ago. It's a matter of probability. If you have even < 1% of a population that is capable of committing mass murder, then belief in the end of the world, whether conscious or subconscious, would be a motivating factor to act out on such fantasies. The "end of the world" scenario was incredibly hyped along multiple levels of media and social media with a variety of apocalyptic themes. Toss in what has been occurring socio-politically (ie those who perceives themselves as awake v. asleep, themes of others being brainwashed, increased poverty, and etc--all leading to desperation and dehumanization) and it's a shoe in. Focusing on one date (12/21/2012) would almost guarantee a clustering of shootings by people with nothing to lose and a mind for murder.

I think the confused response to the shootings could be expected as we have multiple players plus normal human response. People gravitate towards their specific ideologies naturally in response to a political crisis as that is their comfort zone. Toss in multiple interested parties instead of just one and you're going to add to the confusion when looking at it holistically.

I suspect that there were several groups interested in using the 2012 hype to their own purposes. It's been too thoroughly inundated in the media to not be. Each one of these parties wanted a change though I think that the governmental aspect was about controlling political unrest.
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How about what was the whole 12.21.12 thing about?I know some planets were alingned and the media created a gun buying mega storm.After a grusome tv sacrafice.
Just wondering all your thoughts on this.
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Kind of chilling that you'd say that, Kaw. I just stated similar last night in regards to a sacrifice in a grim half-jest. Something definitely altered but I think it was man-made and not cosmic. It's really bugging me.

I'm up for any time. Still on my regularly scheduled hiatus so do mean any time.
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I may be totally off here but I get the feeling that it was done in an attempt to jumpstart something else ahead of it's fated time. Maybe some group thought they could ensure a catastrophic 21st if they could start panic. Those actors were the worst I'd seen, felt like blatant mockery, very unsettling to myself is I don't feel death around any of those children's pics.
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I do the same thing, Lisa--the feeling death from pictures. Living people have some sort of animus in their photos that gets lost at death, which sounds cracked out as hell. Like you, I didn't feel death in the children's pictures and that confuses me. I'm usually very accurate. I can't recollect ever being wrong (and I have an odd habit of looking at missing children photos to see if they are gone or alive). I don't know if the reason why I'm seeing life where there is death is because part of me doesn't want to acknowledge what happened to the kids, if what happened to them was severe enough to cause them to "linger" if one believes in ghosts, or ???. There is some death with the Newtown shooting. I'm just not sure if it was as high as purported. One of the things that I said immediately after the shooting was that it could have two outcomes: 1. copy cats that would be outed in a heightened sensitivity public or 2. be so shocking that it prevents or curtails other shooters outright. Like I said, it confuses me.
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2 things that stick.
Schools are built like prisons and have been 4 a long time.How do you escape from a maniac when there is nowhere togo?

With all the pedo teacher scandals why would you ever give THEM guns?
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2 things that stick.
Schools are built like prisons and have been 4 a long time.How do you escape from a maniac when there is nowhere togo?

With all the pedo teacher scandals why would you ever give THEM guns?
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Yeah, they started building them like that in the early 80's. We had a joke about our school because of its lack of windows. I recall the claim was to keep students from looking out the window and daydreaming.

Also, not to mention the fact that the other shooters in all the historic school shootings tended to be staff. Principals, teachers, and janitors, too. There's a lot that could be done to make the schools safer because we do have so much technology but so far, the only suggestions I've seen have been to arm the teachers. Bad idea...Most teachers are great but all it takes is one teacher to snap and they'd already be in the building with a gun that was authorized to be there.
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2 things that stick.
Schools are built like prisons and have been 4 a long time.How do you escape from a maniac when there is nowhere togo?

With all the pedo teacher scandals why would you ever give THEM guns?
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Yeah, they started building them like that in the early 80's. We had a joke about our school because of its lack of windows. I recall the claim was to keep students from looking out the window and daydreaming.

Also, not to mention the fact that the other shooters in all the historic school shootings tended to be staff. Principals, teachers, and janitors, too. There's a lot that could be done to make the schools safer because we do have so much technology but so far, the only suggestions I've seen have been to arm the teachers. Bad idea...Most teachers are great but all it takes is one teacher to snap and they'd already be in the building with a gun that was authorized to be there.
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