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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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Have Progressed from making people drop things...To making the power go out in the neighborhood...
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> From: xxx@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:49:55 -0700
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> Yes. My wife Joan Targ was testing ESP at Jordan jhs in palo alto as I was doing it for the CIA at SRI.
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If you mean having the feeling like you're having super deep totally internalized seizures, then yes. If you mean feel antsy, then yes, probably that, too. If you mean feeling like you have hives, no. More like that "someone walking over my grave" feeling. Oh, and I've become incredibly reclusive.
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The itchiness was the latest thing, but yeah have had all those too.
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If you mean having the feeling like you're having super deep totally internalized seizures, then yes. If you mean feel antsy, then yes, probably that, too. If you mean feeling like you have hives, no. More like that "someone walking over my grave" feeling. Oh, and I've become incredibly reclusive.
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The itchiness was the latest thing, but yeah have had all those too.
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The walking over graves feeling was why I bought up the follow the gut thing.Been having a bad gut feeling lately.And not for myself.
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Not California but I was in the program in Illinois in the early 80s. Basically what you described. We were often taken out of class for special testing. Got special classes in computer use with early Apples including learning how to program in BASIC, while the normal kids barely ever got to touch a computer. Also got special library sessions were we could just read whatever we wanted. We also got IQ testing every couple of years.

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Weird, me also.
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Me too, in the Northeast.
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Ha... And one more, in Florida. We got to go to local community college weekly, to learn BASIC.

I'm going to have to go through this thread, perhaps. Don't have any unusual memories about my times in "gifted" program... but for some reason, I am getting a knot in my stomach, just being on this thread. Dun-dun-dun...
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P.S. YES to scoliosis, no family history. Moderate--wore brace in middle school.

YES to Rh neg blood.
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If you mean having the feeling like you're having super deep totally internalized seizures, then yes. If you mean feel antsy, then yes, probably that, too. If you mean feeling like you have hives, no. More like that "someone walking over my grave" feeling. Oh, and I've become incredibly reclusive.
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The itchiness was the latest thing, but yeah have had all those too.
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The walking over graves feeling was why I bought up the follow the gut thing.Been having a bad gut feeling lately.And not for myself.
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Then I'm with ya on that, bud. Tired, too, but that is probably because it hits the most at night right when I'm trying to go to sleep--of course, lol. :( I'll be right at that point where I'm feeling drowsy and relaxed and then it's like somebody just dragged their nails against the chalkboard. I'm getting a lot of sleep lately (not really). I can't peg the source but it could be an allergy to the entire globe.
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Were you ever removed, many times, from your regular class for "testing"?

Were you shown a series of high speed images on a television, not once, but many times?

Was the school psychologist selectively interested in you?
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Nope but I was a Spinelli kid.
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If you mean having the feeling like you're having super deep totally internalized seizures, then yes. If you mean feel antsy, then yes, probably that, too. If you mean feeling like you have hives, no. More like that "someone walking over my grave" feeling. Oh, and I've become incredibly reclusive.
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The itchiness was the latest thing, but yeah have had all those too.
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The walking over graves feeling was why I bought up the follow the gut thing.Been having a bad gut feeling lately.And not for myself.
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Then I'm with ya on that, bud. Tired, too, but that is probably because it hits the most at night right when I'm trying to go to sleep--of course, lol. :( I'll be right at that point where I'm feeling drowsy and relaxed and then it's like somebody just dragged their nails against the chalkboard. I'm getting a lot of sleep lately (not really). I can't peg the source but it could be an allergy to the entire globe.
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Maybe were just allergic to bullshit.On a global level.
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Were you ever removed, many times, from your regular class for "testing"?

Were you shown a series of high speed images on a television, not once, but many times?

Was the school psychologist selectively interested in you?
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Nope but I was a Spinelli kid.
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burnit
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bump...

...for what happened to this thread? Where did everyone go?
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there's nothing left to talk about. we have all the info
we need. move along please. agent
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Hi guys, here's my story..

My family (mom, dad, brother and I) moved to California from Illinois in 94; I was going into 6th grade. For most of that school year, I was beyond bored with the curriculum as we were learning things I had already learned in 4th/5th grade. Somewhere toward the middle of the school year, I was tested for the GATE program.

I remember testing, but not too much after that.. normal boring school work, normal socialization, etc.

Then, the following year in 7th grade, four of us were pulled from classes for 2 days for a special project. Now, I had friends in gate, but none of them were there or participated in this project to my knowledge.

Of us four was me (female), two other girls and a boy. We were all taken to an empty classroom by adults who were not our teachers. To this day, I can't remember faces or even if they were male or female or how many! I just remember arriving at a classroom across campus.

The room was darkened with only the lights on by the door. I hardly remember what we were told, but our project was to make a video. The four of us kids were left alone (although, who leaves 13 year olds to their own devices??) in this classroom to discuss as a group what kind of video we would like to make. Not sure if we were told before or after, but the four of us were split into two groups of two. The two girls togetherr to make a video, and then the little boy and I. Can't remember if we picked our partners or they we're chosen for us..no idea.

Us two groups were split up. My partner and I went to a room where everything was blank. Nothing on the walls, no extra frills to denote an intermediary school.. all that was in the room was a video recorder on a tripod, a table set up against the far wall, two chairs and a basket full of childrens toys. I don't remember all the toys, I just remember them being very young children's toys like the farm with all the little plastic animals.

So we were told we could make the video about anything. Anything at all.

My partner and I ended up making our video about the cycle of life/food chain/hierarchy of animals vs. human kind. That's how I can explain it now looking back, but at the time being 13, was just playing around doing what I was told.

Although we had a video camera, my partner and I decided to create a stop motion video, like claymation.. We would record a second, stop to readjust the figurines we had chosen, then record for a second again, and so on. We chose all the farm animals and a human action fugue type guy. Long story short ;) we basically recorded each animal being eaten by the next bigger animal until we got to our human action figure who was clearly top dog.

This took us two days, and I never heard anything about what the other two girls did during that time. I never heard anything about ANY of this afterward.

I just told this story to my husband last night after finding this tread. I've never told anyone not even my own parents. Just my guy and now GLP of course :D

Beyond this story, I don't have too many other unusual ones via the GATE program. Normal stuff, I loooove to read, school was always boring, I learn more on my own, etc. We would occasionally be invited to go on GATE only field trips while everyone else was in class.

After this project, I seemed to take a dark turn. Started hanging out with the bad kids, smoking drinking etc. My grades plummeted and this carried on throughout high school.

While not blaming anything on anyone but myself, it does make me sad that at some point, I went from being on top of my game to dumbing myself down to fit in.
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Actually I was playing on the human minds tendency to "lose" information. As in, you won't remember every little thing.

It's like saying "people who have dreams about their teeth falling out... XYZ" Because, well, we ALL have dreams about our teeth falling out.
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Although off-topic and completely irrelevant, I have never dreamed of losing my teeth.
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Only projects I remember was a genealogy project where I somehow ended up being taken to the local LDS archives by myself for research time. The other was doing research on galaxies. I distinctly remember feeling like my galaxy project was awfully lame and disappointing and that I was basically just reiterating what was known about galaxies and nothing new or fascinating at all. The lack of face recollection is really frustrating because I'm very evidence based by nature. Remembering who the girl was that threw up at the human autopsy field trip would be nice in affirming that the field trip existed. As it is, it's like one of those dreams where everybody's faces are blurred out but not quite that obvious. Brain just goes bzzt when trying to remember faces on these things and that's pretty abnormal for me. Normally, I take snap shots of everything and could describe with reasonable detail and accuracy what people looked like and were wearing that I looked at while at the grocery store a month ago.

I didn't go into total decline in middle school but I definitely struggled inwardly and I did start smoking by the time I hit high school. Kept a wide diversity of friends but that's mainly because I just don't like judging people. Grades never got too bad but then again, I probably would've been throttled for getting a C. Fear is a great C prevention tool. I dumbed down as well but primarily just through becoming more and more quiet and got testy about testing. I think that tendency was probably just to try to fit in better with everybody else--pretty normal teen behavior. I only showed my actual intellect to my peers a few times and generally in defense of others who I perceived as being mistreated. Inwardly though--I was a freaking mess.

Kaw--probably is an allergy.
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Actually I was playing on the human minds tendency to "lose" information. As in, you won't remember every little thing.

It's like saying "people who have dreams about their teeth falling out... XYZ" Because, well, we ALL have dreams about our teeth falling out.
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Although off-topic and completely irrelevant, I have never dreamed of losing my teeth.
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LIES!
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Wow, I'm so glad I happened to stumble across this thread.

I was found to be a "gifted" child.

I am from the midwest. In the mid 1980's I was in grade school. I can remember in Kindergarten there was a woman that stopped by our class one day and took me away to an empty classroom. This happened several times after that as well. I wish I could remember everything about these visits, but unfortunately I only have limited memories from them. I do remember being asked to read from a book into a tape recorder (I have no memory of what book). I also distinctly remember feeling anxiety whenever she would show up, so I wish I could remember more of what happened.

In 1st grade I was allowed to leave class and was encouraged to learn to write BASIC programs in Apple II computers. I remember one of the first programs I wrote was a program that would ask fellow students if they liked pizza or not, and would then display a message based on their response. I remember a few students being impressed by this.

In second grade I was also allowed to leave class and spend time in the library. I don't recall being encouraged to read any particular genre of book, though.

By the time I was in third grade there weren't any special visitors or time spent outside of normal class that I can recall, but by then it was the late 1980's.


As far as "special" abilities, I have always had a very strong mental bond with my brother, to the point where we can almost read each others minds. That bond extends to a lesser (but still significant) extent to the rest of my family as well. I can't count how many times I've thought "Mom is going to call me" and seconds later the phone rings and its her.

In high school I participated in a quiz bowl type activity, which I enjoyed and was quite good at. There were numerous times where a question would be asked and the answer would pop into my head before it could possibly be known. For example, a question started out something like "This type of doctor..." and I knew the answer was proctologist, and it was. I wish I had made note of this more at the time, but I chalked it up as just being lucky guesses. I remember our coach telling me "You have great anticipatory skills."

Several years ago when the Simpsons was still funny and syndicated reruns were shown in the late afternoon/early evening, there were a crazy number of times where during the day a quote would pop into my head that was from one of the episodes that were shown later in the day.

I also have experienced having a song playing in my head and will then turn on a radio and it is playing. I've also experienced several times where I'll be in a room with someone with a song playing in my head and they will start to hum it.

I too have migraines on the right side of my head behind my right eye. I could go on about other things, but I'll leave it at that for now.


It sounds like what I have experienced is frighteningly similar to many others here in this thread. Here's what I've started wondering:


1-Does my brain have the ability to "pull" thoughts from other brains (picture a hand reaching out from my brain and plucking a thought from another brain)?

2-Does my brain have the ability to "catch" thoughts from other brains (picture another person's brain tossing out thoughts at random and my brain catching them)?

3-Do other people's brains have the ability to "push" thoughts from their brain to mine (picture a hand reaching out from their brain and placing a thought into my brain)?

4-Do other people's brains have the ability to "catch" thoughts from my brain (picture my brain tossing out thoughts at random and their brains catching them)?

5-Is it a combination of 2 or more of these?

6-None of the above, it's just coincidence?


I'm willing to accept 6 as the answer, because frankly it's the easiest way to sleep at night.
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Sorry, I had typed up a response once and lost it all because Firefox sucks, and so my post above was my second attempt and I neglected to include some details.

I've always had a nagging feeling that I was part of some experiment. My thought was that either my Mom was given drugs when she was pregnant with me or I was given something early in life that was supposed to help make me smart. Many years ago I had to convince myself that it wasn't true because a thought like that sounds like something a crazy person would think, and I'm not crazy. I had absolutely nothing to back up my suspicions, so it was pretty easy to convince myself that I was just being ridiculous by thinking that.

That being said, thought, many years ago I remember having a conversation with my Mom about how I perceived that others saw me as being "different", and she said something to the effect of "Some day I'll tell you why that is." And that day has yet to come.
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May have been discussed already but were you subjected to extensive "Hearing Tests" in GATE/SPIRALS?
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Wow, I'm so glad I happened to stumble across this thread.

I was found to be a "gifted" child.

I am from the midwest. In the mid 1980's I was in grade school. I can remember in Kindergarten there was a woman that stopped by our class one day and took me away to an empty classroom. This happened several times after that as well. I wish I could remember everything about these visits, but unfortunately I only have limited memories from them. I do remember being asked to read from a book into a tape recorder (I have no memory of what book). I also distinctly remember feeling anxiety whenever she would show up, so I wish I could remember more of what happened.

In 1st grade I was allowed to leave class and was encouraged to learn to write BASIC programs in Apple II computers. I remember one of the first programs I wrote was a program that would ask fellow students if they liked pizza or not, and would then display a message based on their response. I remember a few students being impressed by this.

In second grade I was also allowed to leave class and spend time in the library. I don't recall being encouraged to read any particular genre of book, though.

By the time I was in third grade there weren't any special visitors or time spent outside of normal class that I can recall, but by then it was the late 1980's.


As far as "special" abilities, I have always had a very strong mental bond with my brother, to the point where we can almost read each others minds. That bond extends to a lesser (but still significant) extent to the rest of my family as well. I can't count how many times I've thought "Mom is going to call me" and seconds later the phone rings and its her.

In high school I participated in a quiz bowl type activity, which I enjoyed and was quite good at. There were numerous times where a question would be asked and the answer would pop into my head before it could possibly be known. For example, a question started out something like "This type of doctor..." and I knew the answer was proctologist, and it was. I wish I had made note of this more at the time, but I chalked it up as just being lucky guesses. I remember our coach telling me "You have great anticipatory skills."

Several years ago when the Simpsons was still funny and syndicated reruns were shown in the late afternoon/early evening, there were a crazy number of times where during the day a quote would pop into my head that was from one of the episodes that were shown later in the day.

I also have experienced having a song playing in my head and will then turn on a radio and it is playing. I've also experienced several times where I'll be in a room with someone with a song playing in my head and they will start to hum it.

I too have migraines on the right side of my head behind my right eye. I could go on about other things, but I'll leave it at that for now.


It sounds like what I have experienced is frighteningly similar to many others here in this thread. Here's what I've started wondering:


1-Does my brain have the ability to "pull" thoughts from other brains (picture a hand reaching out from my brain and plucking a thought from another brain)?

2-Does my brain have the ability to "catch" thoughts from other brains (picture another person's brain tossing out thoughts at random and my brain catching them)?

3-Do other people's brains have the ability to "push" thoughts from their brain to mine (picture a hand reaching out from their brain and placing a thought into my brain)?

4-Do other people's brains have the ability to "catch" thoughts from my brain (picture my brain tossing out thoughts at random and their brains catching them)?

5-Is it a combination of 2 or more of these?

6-None of the above, it's just coincidence?


I'm willing to accept 6 as the answer, because frankly it's the easiest way to sleep at night.
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ROFL?! really?! We had to do racing programs. No-one ever won. Lolz.
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Sorry, I had typed up a response once and lost it all because Firefox sucks, and so my post above was my second attempt and I neglected to include some details.

I've always had a nagging feeling that I was part of some experiment. My thought was that either my Mom was given drugs when she was pregnant with me or I was given something early in life that was supposed to help make me smart. Many years ago I had to convince myself that it wasn't true because a thought like that sounds like something a crazy person would think, and I'm not crazy. I had absolutely nothing to back up my suspicions, so it was pretty easy to convince myself that I was just being ridiculous by thinking that.

That being said, thought, many years ago I remember having a conversation with my Mom about how I perceived that others saw me as being "different", and she said something to the effect of "Some day I'll tell you why that is." And that day has yet to come.
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Hey, welcome. I hope she does tell you someday. I felt the same way and in fact joked that aliens probably made me in a lab and boy did they really screw up. DES injection (confirmed) explains a handful of the congenital abnormalities but there is still a whole lot that are not explained yet. To put it this way, my docs used to call me the walking medical dictionary because if there was some rare abnormality, I probably had it, lol. I don't actually believe that aliens made me in the lab but I did get confirmation of my mom being injected with DES while pregnant with me. I just wonder what else was in the cocktail at this point. I also wonder why a number of us seem to have headaches in the same spot. Right side, right behind the eye. Sometimes they are bad enough where it feels like an ice pick has been run through there.

I do the freaky mental connection thing as well. I think about why or how I have been able to do things that are improbable a whole lot. Always get an almost dirty feeling in the end though because it all seems so very farfetched. Not a fan of ambiguity, lol. My best most scientific possible explanation is that our brains are essentially producing waves through chemical-electrical processes. If a radio wave can transmit for great distances out into space, then could it be the same thing for thought as an electrical wave? If that was in fact possible, then it could also mean that there could be people that were able to receive and/or transmit others waves/their own. Like fleshy radio towers. Can you find your family, too? I'm like a human gps system. Can track down family members anywhere in the metro area when the need is there. Lucky for me, I don't need them much.
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Saw this in another thread.
It (probably) has more to do with general education rather than TAG/GATE. However, it's important to understand what system the subsystem of TAG/GATE/MGM is in. Nothing it truly that independent.



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That's interesting. Some of it really reminded me of Bertrand Russell, which I quoted previously, I think, on this thread. There's definitely some veracity to that vid because I do recall that our educational system was based on the Prussian education system.
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Saw this in another thread.
It (probably) has more to do with general education rather than TAG/GATE. However, it's important to understand what system the subsystem of TAG/GATE/MGM is in. Nothing it truly that independent.


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And Germany secretly won WW2.Paperclip and all that stuff.
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And the Queen is supposedly of German blood.
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And Germany secretly won WW2.Paperclip and all that stuff.
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Mm. Wars aren't won in the sense that is portrayed to the general population. There's no simple start and simple end, no solid black and white one side versus the other, not really. There's always some overlay and inter-meshing. Paperclip is a perfect tip of the iceberg example of that. Never mind all of the infiltration and covert activities that pretty much result in one faction running the other from the inside.

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And we know the Germans were into the whole Uber Mench theing.
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And Germany secretly won WW2.Paperclip and all that stuff.
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Mm. Wars aren't won in the sense that is portrayed to the general population. There's no simple start and simple end, no solid black and white one side versus the other, not really. There's always some overlay and inter-meshing. Paperclip is a perfect tip of the iceberg example of that. Never mind all of the infiltration and covert activities that pretty much result in one faction running the other from the inside.
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Different factions of the Illiminati I guess.I hate to admit it but all my research winds up coming back to that concept.
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Re: Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?
And we know the Germans were into the whole Uber Mench theing.
 Quoting: Kaw-Liga 35624268


Isn't it just wonderful to know that you, or influences in your life, are nothing but a part of the mechanisms to produce that?

I've always had my life story, and irritatingly large chunks of it have matched up a bit too well with MK. Ah hell, some people within that life have even used the project names.

The other day I was listening to Fritz Springmeier talk about how the children were "love bombed" early on before they went through a trauma induction. That just fucking depressed me because in my own story I always talk about how I came from a loving environment where the child was always cared for before I was dumped off into a life where that didn't exist. I could describe, in detail, the entire day I transitioned between the two because there were such stark differences between the two environments. Now I'm always going to have that doubt in my head, wondering if the warm and wonderful environment I had originally come from was nothing but a project requirement. Talk about depressing.

Last Edited by Some Viking God on 03/24/2013 04:23 PM

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