Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

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That was me.
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thank you. For both this thread and the information overall.

I was wearing that at one point, and still do because it called to me, with st. Michael on the other side holding scales and a sword.

However, recently, I have taken to wearing a silver chain with a semi precious stone pendent that looks like a night sky with a carpet of stars. Don't ask me what the stone is because for the life of me I can't remember.

anyway, I'm pretty sure I was someone who ended up designated as a 'scapegoat' at a fairly early age because I wouldn't play ball, so to speak. So that might be the other use they have for me. Who knows. I know I'm not willing to play ball where that is concerned, too, though.

I also found a better link for some information that I think also connects than the one I tried to share on the other thread, so will share that here..because yes, it is connected.

Definition and Description

The name MONARCH is not necessarily defined within the context of royal nobility, but rather refers to the monarch butterfly.



When a person is undergoing trauma induced by electroshock, a feeling of light-headedness is evidenced; as if one is floating or fluttering like a butterfly. There is also a symbolic representation pertaining to the transformation or metamorphosis of this beautiful insect: from a caterpillar to a cocoon (dormancy, inactivity), to a butterfly (new creation) which will return to its point of origin. Such is the migratory pattern that makes this species unique.

Occultic symbolism may give additional insight into the true meaning Psyche is the word for both "soul" and "butterfly" coming from the belief that human souls become butterflies while searching for a new reincarnation. [9]

Some ancient mystical groups, such as the Gnostics, saw the butterfly as a symbol of corrupt flesh. The "Angel of Death" (remember Mengele?) in Gnostic art was portrayed crushing the butterfly.[10]



A marionette is a puppet that is attached to strings and is controlled by the puppet master, hence MONARCH programming is also referred to as the "Marionette Syndrome." "Imperial Conditioning" is another term used, while some mental health therapists know it as "Conditioned Stimulus Response Sequences."

Project MONARCH could be best described as a form of structured dissociation and occultic integration, in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a Satanic ritual, usually including Cabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the corresponding alter(s).



Of course, most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs.

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

pretty sure this link will be acceptable ..hope so anyway.

I want to state for the record what I think the monarching can also entail.

I could be wrong and have no memory of this personally but I don't think I'm wrong at all.

The small child is taken and spread eagles on a circular table with grooves in it right under her genitalia to catch the blood. then she is spun on the table, and where she stops is the first one who 'gets' to rape her. While she is drugged out of her mind, imagining she is floating above it all..and watching it all.

the blood is saved.

they shit in her mouth.

I'm going to stop now.

In addition to what I wrote on page 261:

Most peoples first words are either mom or dad or something similar.
My first word was a complete sentance speaking to my mother which absolutely floored her.
I said ( Look mom, bird in tree. ) as my first words ever heard.

My reading and comprehension skills are way beyond what they should be all my life starting very young.According to the experts without any formal education other then 2 technical schools for computer repair, 1 as a civilian and 1 for the army at Fort Gordon.

My main interests was to become a history teacher college level. I love reading,politics and especially ww2 german history.
At the time of being tested as a small child late 70s early 80s I was very interested in archeology and dinosaurs.
Read everything I coudl get my hands on and drawing.

Even before I was started kindergarden, I would stand at the bus stop with dictionaries and encyclopedias waiting for an imaginary bus because thats what I thought school required. Compare that to regular children who pick their noses and fart and think thats funny at 5 yrs old. I was so different and still feel that way today.

I was so bored in school and slept through everything and was very isolated and anti-social.This developed into my schizoid type behavior.

I should have been so much more in life but my mental issues crippled me from being social and working in groups and conforming to others "standards".I didn't fail, the world failed me imo.

No sir, you did not burst my bubble.You have to take everything I said into consideration.
I never had a formal education and never got past 9th grade. I took the Asvab test at 25 yrs of age way after high school.

And with everything else I stated, I still scored that high.
That is out of the ordinary do you not think so ?

My original post is found on page 261.

GREAT LINK!

I totally understand that sense of difference. For me, I was always the alien trying desperately not to be noted in any room (didn't matter where). I think part of that sense of isolation is natural. We're born different.

Somebody a long time ago made a point on this thread that was really quite good. The "cut off" iq for the programs is 130-140. An iq of below 70 is considered mentally retarded. The average IQ is around 100. If there are 30 points of difference between someone who would be considered mentally retarded and there are 30 points of difference between us and the average person, then technically that can make everyone seem a bit mentally retarded to us. So yes, we were the kids who weren't entertained by nose picking or farts. We were the little sponges trying to learn everything. That difference is massive and that difference is inherently isolating.

I decided a while back that I'm no longer going to hide the way that I am. I used to just to scrape by unnoticed. While I have had people tell me that my intelligence actually makes them fear talking with me a bit, at the same time, it's been immensely liberating. I also freed myself from all those expectations lumped on me as a kid from the school, my family, and so on. What they want from me or for me doesn't matter. It's not their life. It's mine and if I didn't meet somebody's expectation, they can stuff it. Anyways, those are my "mantras" these days and it's made the world a lot more comfortable of a place.

Going to chime in here and give a breakdown of my assessment of your ASVAB score:

Considering that you:
a. flunked the 9th grade twice,
b. slept through much of your school years
c. took the test at 25

and that the ASVAB:
a. is based on the scores of thousands of 10th graders (you flunked the 9th grade twice)
b. is typically given to 10th, 11th, and 12th graders (you took it about 7-10 years later when any knowledge that might have drifted into your sleeping ears would've probably been a bit dusty)

I'd say you did pretty darn good given all the information.

To the AC who questioned his score:

Here's the definition of giftedness. Please note that iq is not mentioned regardless of which one that you prefer:

[link to www.nagc.org]

Should I delete or edit part of the post that talked about monarching? Was it too much? My self editing skills suck at times.

anyway, giftedness..

I didn't learn how to properly tie my laces until a 'later than normal' age, I do know that. I had to do the 'bunny ears' because I couldn't figure out the other way.

I also couldn't figure out how to draw a five pointed star like the teacher and the other kids could do, but had to do two triangles into a 'star of David' instead until a 'later than normal' age too.

It's like before I was born, there were some lines I got into twice, and others I missed because I was in those lines getting in twice, you know?

Is that 'giftedness'? Because I also taught myself to read and to swim..

but I cannot for the life of me figure other stuff out..

and am behind others in..

other things I zoom way ahead in.

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Thank you, I am glad you understood what I was trying to say, taking everything I said into account.Started skipping school, sleeping etc in 6th grade. Yet I could miss alot of time and still take tests and score high. A few of the "better" teachers fussed at me all the time.

By all rights I should not have done as well according to "experts" I should be retarded.....
If I had better circumstances growing up and went to a private "special" school it's my opinion I would've done even better then a 74.

What shocked me is that the recruiter told me the average score in East Tennessee is a 33. That is sad and in my experiance with other people were I live it makes sence but still shocking.

the mantra I was told ever since I can remember is how much "potential" I had..and how it was "wasted"..either wasted on me, or I wasted it with how I lived me life, take your pick..

but I had one lousy math teacher at the age of twelve that told me I was stupid and I believed her. I had to be either stupid or lazy to not 'get it', and I definitely wasn't being lazy, so I had to be stupid..

except other stuff I knew the answers too..

I just didn't get how if I knew the answer I had to show how I got it and if I couldn't I didn't get the answer right.

and today..

today I am learning to get to know myself and try to be more patient with myself, but there are still far too many gaps in my life that frustrate me.

You forget the rules of brainstorming. :) 1. No idea is stupid and 2. Everyone have the feeling that they can speak freely. Not everybody is going to agree with an idea but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be aired.

The biggest reason why I question the whole Monarch thing is because it's even on the net. After having several things that we've linked about the program here basically get removed from the internet afterwards, I tend to think that if it's still on the internet, well, then there's a reason why it's still there. There's a few notable exceptions to that rule ie. the website that is hosted by the man who the government hates. That's just my opinion though, based on that experience of disappearing links and growing up under my grandfather who was military intelligence. If he didn't want you to know something, he wouldn't give even a millimeter.

What we get is the 'old stuff' or the stuff that is already so widely available or advanced past that level, they probably feel it won't make much difference..

or the exposure of and the knowledge itself is part of the 'control' to some extent..

I think perhaps there might also be a small chance that they have a tiger by the tail, and it will turn around and be THEIR end and bite them.

I thought this would be a good idea to put here. Too many traumatized kids being further traumatized with drugs and their traumas ignored in this world..


“We need to think more carefully about screening for trauma and designing a more trauma-informed treatment plan,” Brown says.


Dr. Kate Szymanski came to the same conclusion a few years ago. An associate professor at Adelphi University’s Derner Institute and an expert in trauma, Szymanski analyzed data from a children’s psychiatric hospital in New York. A majority of the 63 patients in her sample had been physically abused and lived in foster homes. On average, they reported three traumas in their short lives. Yet, only eight percent of the children had received a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder while a third had ADHD.

“I was struck by the confusion or over-eagerness–or both–to take one diagnosis over another,” Szymanski says. “To get a picture of trauma from a child is much harder than looking at behavior like impulsivity, hyperactivity. And if they cluster in a certain way, then it’s easy to go to a conclusion that it’s ADHD.”

A previous edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders urged clinicians to distinguish between ADHD symptoms and difficulty with goal-directed behavior in children from “inadequate, disorganized or chaotic environments,” but that caveat does not appear in the latest version. Unearthing details about a child’s home life can also be challenging, Szymanski says.

A child may withhold abuse or neglect to protect his family or, having normalized that experience, never mention it all. Clinicians may also underestimate the prevalence of adversity. The Adverse Childhood Experiences Study, a years-long survey of more than 17,000 adults, found that two-thirds of participants reported at least one of 10 types of abuse, neglect, or household dysfunction. Twelve percent reported four or more. That list isn’t exhaustive, either. The study didn’t include homelessness and foster care placement, for example, and the DSM doesn’t easily classify those events as “traumatic."

It’s not clear how many children are misdiagnosed with ADHD annually, but a study published in 2010 estimated the number could be nearly 1 million. That research compared the diagnosis rate amongst 12,000 of the youngest and oldest children in a kindergarten sample and found that the less mature students were 60 percent more likely to receive an ADHD diagnosis.

less than 50%, the rest here: [link to www.theatlantic.com]


edit: the DSM doesn't list foster care as 'traumatic'..

that is the funniest and most enraging fucking thing I have read in a while.

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I agree.

David had no symbol, as that would go against God. He would never have magnified himself in such a way.

I have to say that you are all scaring me. You have to stop sharing quite so much. There are those (mostly in organised religions we grew up in, who have been keeping tabs from a distance all our lives. ask your grandparents and aunts, uncles, cousins etc. "was there ever anyone who seemed to really'care' about me and asked how I was"? Did "The Church" try to keep up with my current address?

They may have tested on our parents and want data from us like some think,(like Fire-starter.)

I think if we put out a checklist of SYMPTOMS we would all check 99% but our significant others, (guards) would check only 3 or 4 things out of hundreds. We know we are different, (the same), but they are looking for a place like this where we finally find each other, to gather or trigger us. Walk away from the threads, don't feed the monsters the very thing they want! INFO!

walk away from the threads? This is the only source of information I have..this is the place here at godlike I have learned the most about myself ..things no one else told me.

I have no pictures from my childhood, and the things I want to know from my family they will not tell me I already know.

I'll leave it at that.

I understand more than you can imagine. I only wish we had a safer place.

Don't have fear, they don't want war with us. And if they did, they have had us pegged since childhood. Do you really think they do not know where to find you? It took a LONG time before I was brave enough to create an account on here, but it suddenly occurred to me that they already figured me out, so what is the point in hiding?

Hiding is the only tool left to dampen your incredible mind.

The people who can connect the dots quickly and easily are the ones who tend to be the leaders. I know, I am always the boss, only takes a little time to rise the ranks at my employers.

We would be the generals in the revolution. Never tell yourself any different.

I agree, don't have fear but also be wary. In moments when you feel alone in your strangeness and isolated, perhaps even self-inflicted, remember there were those of us who met and gathered on an anonymous forum. We were and are validated. I know I will never fit in anywhere I go, life is a lonely road in so many ways. I cry a lot at times, but strength does come when I think of those in here who share similar pasts. That alone has gotten me by on a darker day. I have yet to meet anyone who understands me. Hugs.

I know the feeling. hugs.

What you said here is really important and Im so happy someone managed to articulate it.

My individual life was ruined, but when you look at this thread you can see just how many people had their lives ruined. It all adds up to a pile of crimes against innocent citizens and whatever good anyone imagines might have come of it can never outweigh the misery of the poor victims. Think about the losses in terms of what kind of world this might have been, too. I am being attacked right up to the present. I dont think I will ever really be OK even if they do stop the bastards because ive just been hurt too many times. I dont understand anything about why. My family has participated. Ther research must have found that the most effective tool for controlling us was to break our hearts. Im never OK. I can barely hold a job and have social issues, and those things just repeat over and over as I am now stuck in the area where I have been being held down for ages.

Its no kind of life. They make people want to kill themselves and recently a huge operation was unleashed on me through my job, in obvious partnership with the city fire department of all things. I must have some programming to terrify me if I see flashing lights and suddenly they were everywhere. It caused me to feel I was somehow guilty and I panicked, but managed not to do anything that looked too insane. I asked for time off from work after a prolonged period of mobbing by some of the other staff there against me. I made the mistake of saying I needed the time off because I felt exhausted and that was like a signal to them to start the flashing lights treatment. In fact my boss had told me he thought I needed help and woukd I like to try a new treatment where lights are flashed in your eyes. He said this with a straight face.

Later during "the treatment" I suddenly realized what he had meant! Evidently he and others on the staff at this company where I worked had surveillance on me because they knew what I had been doing on my time off. I hadnt been resting for some of that time and they knew I didnt tell them the truth, but they coukdnt come right out and accuse me of lying to them, because that woukd have given away their secret surveillance capabilities! I think these people are part of a network that babysits victims all their lives, manipulating events so that we remain powerless, isolated, lonely, unemployed, etc. it all keeps happening to me in cycle after cycle. I have worked for that same company four different times now. Each time, the owner and other people there get really weird with me. This whole town is weird (Boulder, CO -- ground zero for the new Sodom).

Everything is weird around here, and getting weirder. I got "laid off" that job a couple of weeks ago. I figured out too much this time -- like that the company is fake and their clients are fake! They had to let me go. But first they tried to give me a nervous breakdown by activating some deadly triggering! A victim always has that to be terrified of -- you just never know what is going to set you off.

Can the new intel people who are here please dig in to this Boukder Colorado scene. It is pure hell for the victims. Especially people like me who have things half figured out. We have a right to know what they did to us! The other thing is I think more and more that there is some kind of white collar crime thing going on thats mixed in with this stuff. Because people are waaaay too serious about things and getting really crazy around here.

I am glad to be released from the daily torture of that job but dread what awaits me next. The university is reaching out and I think the intel services have operations there.

It might even be bigger than just a white collar crime thing. I have thought human trafficking is a part of it, too. But it seems like a really big operation to me. Like maybe even some kind of long-term coup d'etat plan. I notice simultaneously with a lot of weird stuff going on in the state, that there is a nonstop growth spurt flying out of control. Toll roads are being built everywhere. But also there is no increase in jobs. Housing prices are so high theres a new homeless problem too. So it looks a little bit like the area is being cleaned out and teched up... Google coming into the area, as well as continuation of federal gov offices. Seems like the area is becoming a regional hub but there is akso a lot of really stark, obvious evidence everywhere of victims and intel crimes, and gangs and mafias who have learned their dirty ways.

I got triggered last May. I saw through the problems with the financial industry, and even tried to tell my closest employees. Bullying from top management started and got so intense, that I had to step down, and seek a lesser position. After a 10 year career. That lasted for only a couple of months before I lost it all together.

It was a single moment on that last day of work that triggered debilitating PTSD. Nervous breakdown- have not left the house since then. Try to reflect with your free time. It helps.

It DOES seem like every time I reach out to my friends, or tell my therapist I am having a good day, the insurance company reaches out to me to "update paperwork". I try not to be paranoid- but I really do think they are watching us. I unfortunately am at the mercy of my insurance disability plan.

I understand the pain of being different- just like all of you. I just try to remind myself that it is an honor and privilege to be who we are.

This is absolutely the worst post I've ever seen.

1) Stop taking drugs, your scrambled eggs are not being helped by the pharmacopeia.

2) Hiding in anything long term creates psychosis, and aggravates per-existing conditions.

3) Anxiety and PSTD are treatable, but walking, outdoors in unpolluted places will help more than most things.

You aren't different, and definitively not part of the top 1%. Re-read your post and evaluate it for yourself.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

You have my sympathy. I honestly believe we are seeing the breakdown of the country through an agenda of bullying. They came up with a master plan to take over that way in order not to shed blood, to keep the economy going, but also because its not illegal to be mean or to ostracize, etc! But it sure works to neutralize people!

I did not have the nervous breakdown that they were trying to cause. That was only because I had studied WTF might be happening after the first time I was seriously attacked. I found out all about triggering etc. during the events when I panicked I had to hang on for dear life to what only a part of my mind remembered: that I was not a fugitive on the run, I had not committed any crime and did not need to run away for any reason. Then... I went home. I had taken some vacation time so I had privacy and time to decompress. It was BRUTAL. but I managed to hang on.

I am OK now but its because of our dissociative training. I believe I was used in experiments regarding psychic abilities. Thats why I can see through all the crime around here. These local companies are laundering money and they are fake. And there is a big gay mafia mixed in with all of this... I dont trust this town to leave me alone! The only reason they laid me off was because somebody took video of some of the gang stalking they did to me, and it was extensive, with a lot of people participating, and even a helicopter! It must have been very expensive! I think some of the people doing this ridiculous shit to me actually got into some trouble and were given orders to lay off me. They failed to cause a nervous breakdown, got busted torturing an older woman, and had to back off.

Now I think they might be setting me up for more organized harrassment at a new job opportunity. Before I had the previous job, I was kept unemployed or put into jobs at which I was harassed and fired, at two important and very chaotic places. Maybe they have me doing a kind of investigation... Because I am sniffing out crime everywhere.

I just dont get paid for it. Instead I get to live a lonely, financially unstable life in which zi can never fulfill my potential. This has made me very bitter. I have no family and no joy.

I am sorry for you. I hate the bastards.

Wow, ouch. I do not need to defend my intelligence, but I did read your wikipedia.

My PTSD is culminated from a lifetime of crazy trauma, and no, I don't really "hide in the basement" all day. But yes, I have decided to drop out of the rat race for now. I don't take drugs, and I ride my bike.

Thanks for the opinion, duly noted.

The most interesting question is, of corse, who took the video???

I apologize for being harsh; words are knives used for shredding the veils hiding the truth. I once was unusual, but, now, not unusually-special. However, once descending from the heights, the taste, and feel linger after gifts pass. Like many, it's C'est la Vie to much of my former gift, but still, with wisdom slowly replacing that height, has growth or decline molded a delicate gift.

Even in loss, you can remember 'the feeling' of those times, even if you can no longer live it.

Best waste of time I've ever spent was reading 'Dying Inside' by R. Silverberg.

yes, they also deal in human trafficking, and child sexual abuse and sacrifice. It also has to do with aliens and Nazis.

see how it all sounds? but it's the truth.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69331703

I apologize for being harsh; words are knives used for shredding the veils hiding the truth. I once was unusual, but, now, not unusually-special. However, once descending from the heights, the taste, and feel linger after gifts pass. Like many, it's C'est la Vie to much of my former gift, but still, with wisdom slowly replacing that height, has growth or decline molded a delicate gift.

Even in loss, you can remember 'the feeling' of those times, even if you can no longer live it.

Best waste of time I've ever spent was reading 'Dying Inside' by R. Silverberg.


This is a crazy sounding book, might be worth the read.

Just wanted to further elaborate:

It would be easier, if I was not expected to perform at a high capacity, but I am. No mercy for me, when I had the breakdown. Constantly checking up on me.

The insurance company wants me back to work, because of my proven work record; my therapist pushes me to it, because I am so capable and intelligent; and social security denied me due to my intelligence. Catch 22.

That's what I mean by I am trapped by the insurance company. They want me to go out and work, when really I need to refocus, and pursue a different career field. I was not making Taco Bell money, so I am not going to just run out and get a job where I am making Taco Bell money.

PTSD is very real, and the anxiety it caused is why I am home, not because I did not want to work. You ever been so stressed out that your teeth chatter non stop for 4 months? Even when you were in public- teeth chattering? Everyone at the grocery store staring at you, If you even made it there because the shakes make it hard to drive? Peeing your pants because even your bladder is in fight or flight mode? This was suddenly triggered by a single 1 minute event at work. Crazy, and I never want it to happen again. That is why I see a therapist, to learn and prevent. It sucks, and is very real.

Thanks for the book idea..I do enjoy a good book.

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