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Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

 
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"I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers)"

So you were a bully and a thug even back then? got it.

oh and this isn't me posting, it's my evil twin skippy, so fuck off.

just posting this to point out about YOU what others might not be aware of, since you were so nice to give me your sociopathic analysis of me.

have a nice day, and keep the fucking change. I'm outta here.

here's my thread for the uncool kids if anyone ever wants to stop in. No salt will be rubbed in any wounds on it.

Thread: the cool kids kicked me out. I'll post starting where I was from here.

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"I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers)"

So you were a bully and a thug even back then? got it.

oh and this isn't me posting, it's my evil twin skippy, so fuck off.

just posting this to point out about YOU what others might not be aware of, since you were so nice to give me your sociopathic analysis of me.

have a nice day, and keep the fucking change. I'm outta here.

here's my thread for the uncool kids if anyone ever wants to stop in. No salt will be rubbed in any wounds on it.

Thread: the cool kids kicked me out. I'll post starting where I was from here.
 Quoting: scapegoat.


Well look who's here, it's Kira! Time for you to come clean sweetie pie, cause if you don't do it, I'm going to. I've had enough of your lies to last a lifetime. Lies that are an insult to the people who have really been part of MK ULtra and Monarch and terrible lies to the people who have offered you help. God bless Sea Goddess, you should be SO ashamed of yourself for what you've done to her. And Simply 27 also.

What the hell is wrong with you? Huh? You're a good student, an aspiring writer and musician and have been called a good role model by your teachers. Are you really fucked up in some way or this all a joke to you? I'm not laughing. What you've been doing is cruel and
misanthropic. If this isn't your idea of a creative writing project and if you truly do have a problem, telling lies (whoppers) won't get you anywhere. You need to talk to the school councilor, someone at church or a friend's parent instead of coming on GLP and creating chaos.

Do you know how easy it was to A) spot you? B) find you? Really damn. Which goes to show you're not as smart as you think you are. And this kind of stupidity is going to get you in a whole lot of trouble one day when you pull it on the wrong people. Mark my word.

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No. I am a project alum who values this thread. Another poster pointed out your recent posting behavior, and I agreed with it.

Further down the thread I answered your request for a very easy to find source of a quote.

I am not suppressing or controlling anything.

You however have a serious victim-mentality which you have made evident not only in your brief interaction with me, but also in the volume of your posts over the last several pages.

EVERYONE who has gone through these programs has endured challenges, setbacks, realizations, and horrors, but in the nearly 300 pages of this thread, you are the only one who has made it personal.

You are displaying the behavior of someone starving for attention, that has challenges with self confidence and self esteem. GLP is not the best place to address those challenges IMHO. How many times have you changed your user name in the past two months, 3? 4? Another example of your balance. Sorry to point this out, but someone needs to tell you.

Do you not realize you are essentially talking to yourself? Many many people have this thread bookmarked and check in on it from day to day, yet nearly all have chosen NOT to engage with you. Friend, you HAVE taken over the thread. Calling me a troll for telling you the truth is a defense mechanism. Anyone examining my posting history on this thread can clearly see an invested party and not a troll.
Alas, I have no need to defend myself.

I love myself. I love all souls. I blame no one for anything. It is a very freeing way of existing.


Take it easy. Good luck to you.

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hesright
With all due respect Justme, somebody had to say it...
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Justme is just fine. MT you bullied her. She is trying to figure stuff out.

I think this is a bombshell thread, and one of the most significant on this site. To me it proves things. I asked a therapist to look at it back in 2012 before I stopped looking for help from such people. She said she thought it was "creepy" but didnt prove anything. She denied everything I said and thought. I discovered all psychotherapists do this. They are all pwned by Them.
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Justme just insinuated on her copy cat page of this thread that the regular posters on here are shills. I think she's saying you're part of the Govt. or whomever who's trying to cover up the truth.

And no AC, justme is not fine, she is full of it. As someone who pissed her off early on I've had the pleasure of lurking around to read her posts in an effort to figure out what or who she really is. I'm pretty sure I know and let's just say your jaw would drop if I told you. I actually did speak my mind in a thread a few days ago, but there was no one left on the thread to read it. Or, it sounded too ludicrous to be the truth? Or maybe no one cared. All I know is I'm done trying to save her. And what she needs saving from is herself, not all the crap she invents. FYI-I don't think that she's mentally ill, I think it's more a maturity issue.

Sorry to derail your thread, it's absolutely fascinating. It's a great thing that so many of you found each other thru GLP. Who would have thought? FYI- I'm exactly the same as the rest of you, but a bit older. There were no GATE or other programs when I was in elementary however they recognized my difference and I think just wanted me to get the hell out of their school. I seemed to intimidate the teachers despite being a severely abused child who didn't say boo even when provoked. I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers) and got great grades, but all of them actually glared at me in the hallways when we passed, even the teachers I never had.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to post and please just ignore justme if you know what's good for you. She'll go out of her way to punish you if given half a chance.
 Quoting: KidCharlemagne


This is directed to all, not any particularly person:

If I might chime in here as I've been silent on this issue, I will admit that, barring imposed vacations, I generally checked in on the thread every few days to "check in" on it or if I stumbled across anything new. Regardless of intent, it was very frustrating to see a constant regurgitation of many now very old posts and while I do understand that these were things that Justme felt a response, too, there is something to be said of taking a mental note of it. Each of us is here because things resonated. As MT and others have observed, I, too, found it frustrating to be confronted with a heavy degree of fatalism that came from Justme's posts. If I might hazard a guess, I would say that we are all trying to overcome things and being confronted consistently with fatalism does not help that. I know why I stopped checking in as frequently and that was for my own health and well being.

As far as the allegations of multiple posters actually being the same person, if Justme continued to read the thread, that did get discussed as an interesting feature. We have a tendency of having the same "voice" in our text. Why that is, whether trained or our minds being what they are, I don't know. I don't doubt that there are some who have posted under many names. I've gone by two but I make no secret of that. I just shortened it simply because it felt right to cut out the "armchair". (I'm a participant, no longer an armchair participant.)

I also do think, however, that there have been people that have come across this thread to try to bend it for their own purposes/reasons. I have called out the ones that I've come across in the history of this thread and I stand by those decisions to this day. Is Justme one of those? I don't honestly know. What I do know is, regardless of intention, Justme was dominating the thread with that fatalism and that fatalism was choking this thread down into oblivion. This thread and the people within it mean a lot to me. It's one of the few places where such a bizarre and unsettling topic can be discussed without raised eyebrows.

And Kid--welcome. It sounds like some of your experiences are actually similar to what we experienced as well (ie. the intimidated, glaring teachers). I've come to my own personal conclusion that some of the sense of isolation and that intimidation issue would've naturally occurred anyways. It's a lack of comprehension and a threat to the ego at the root of those things. I, for one as I don't speak for the others, don't mind an outside-the-program view of all of this especially when usually those that traipse in to post tend to be trolls or people taking offense at the existence of the thread. You didn't attempt to troll us. In school speak, that gives you a gold star in my book, lol. :D
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"I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers)"

So you were a bully and a thug even back then? got it.

oh and this isn't me posting, it's my evil twin skippy, so fuck off.

just posting this to point out about YOU what others might not be aware of, since you were so nice to give me your sociopathic analysis of me.

have a nice day, and keep the fucking change. I'm outta here.

here's my thread for the uncool kids if anyone ever wants to stop in. No salt will be rubbed in any wounds on it.

Thread: the cool kids kicked me out. I'll post starting where I was from here.
 Quoting: scapegoat.


Thank you for linking that thread. It was quite enlightening and your behavior towards Glass Shield on it in particular was quite enough to help me solidify my opinion on you.

Speaking of commonalities, one of the things that I've noted among my friends who were in the gifted program is that we tend not be explosive. Quite the opposite--we tend to be measured in our responses to the extreme. I imagine it comes from all the lessons in critical thinking as well as lessons against irrationality, the issues with gossip (telephone game anyone?), and aggression. Nope, greater tendency towards being deliberative while still thinking somewhat outside of the box (when we're aware of the box at least). We think hard about our answers before we speak because a lot of us are perfectionists who, confronted with the ambiguities of the program, never felt like we ever gave the right answers. It makes us hesitant and generally loathe to plunge ourselves into recklessness. Of course, these are just a few of the traits that I see common with all the gifted that I know (and I do know many outside of this thread)and what I've seen in others here. Those things are absent in this poster, imho, and to attack someone who is also made of glass (I chose the term porcelain for myself)? Reprehensible.
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I think this is a bombshell thread, and one of the most significant on this site. To me it proves things. I asked a therapist to look at it back in 2012 before I stopped looking for help from such people. She said she thought it was "creepy" but didnt prove anything. She denied everything I said and thought. I discovered all psychotherapists do this. They are all pwned by Them.
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Ha! You're braver than I, lol. I've been loathe to attempt the same thing even after my personal finding, which I could personally hand over (still have Gowan's books on my machine and much more as well--saved them before CSUN took them down). Just saw the futility in it considering that the programs were mandated by Congress to be run by educational psychologists. It just made it seem a bit on the pointless side as, if there was some sort of wrongdoing, would psychologists necessarily turn on their own field to create an field-wide scandal? I'm guessing not. I did talk to one friend in the field and he said that that was probably the worst thing that was done to me through some of my personal experiences (unrelated to the gifted program). My trust in that field was utterly destroyed. I do my best, try to put my brains to work, wing it as I go, and try to dodge those who want to tell me what I am without even knowing me (which is really stupid on their part when you think about that).
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hesright
With all due respect Justme, somebody had to say it...
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Justme is just fine. MT you bullied her. She is trying to figure stuff out.

I think this is a bombshell thread, and one of the most significant on this site. To me it proves things. I asked a therapist to look at it back in 2012 before I stopped looking for help from such people. She said she thought it was "creepy" but didnt prove anything. She denied everything I said and thought. I discovered all psychotherapists do this. They are all pwned by Them.
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Justme just insinuated on her copy cat page of this thread that the regular posters on here are shills. I think she's saying you're part of the Govt. or whomever who's trying to cover up the truth.

And no AC, justme is not fine, she is full of it. As someone who pissed her off early on I've had the pleasure of lurking around to read her posts in an effort to figure out what or who she really is. I'm pretty sure I know and let's just say your jaw would drop if I told you. I actually did speak my mind in a thread a few days ago, but there was no one left on the thread to read it. Or, it sounded too ludicrous to be the truth? Or maybe no one cared. All I know is I'm done trying to save her. And what she needs saving from is herself, not all the crap she invents. FYI-I don't think that she's mentally ill, I think it's more a maturity issue.

Sorry to derail your thread, it's absolutely fascinating. It's a great thing that so many of you found each other thru GLP. Who would have thought? FYI- I'm exactly the same as the rest of you, but a bit older. There were no GATE or other programs when I was in elementary however they recognized my difference and I think just wanted me to get the hell out of their school. I seemed to intimidate the teachers despite being a severely abused child who didn't say boo even when provoked. I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers) and got great grades, but all of them actually glared at me in the hallways when we passed, even the teachers I never had.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to post and please just ignore justme if you know what's good for you. She'll go out of her way to punish you if given half a chance.
 Quoting: KidCharlemagne


This is directed to all, not any particularly person:

If I might chime in here as I've been silent on this issue, I will admit that, barring imposed vacations, I generally checked in on the thread every few days to "check in" on it or if I stumbled across anything new. Regardless of intent, it was very frustrating to see a constant regurgitation of many now very old posts and while I do understand that these were things that Justme felt a response, too, there is something to be said of taking a mental note of it. Each of us is here because things resonated. As MT and others have observed, I, too, found it frustrating to be confronted with a heavy degree of fatalism that came from Justme's posts. If I might hazard a guess, I would say that we are all trying to overcome things and being confronted consistently with fatalism does not help that. I know why I stopped checking in as frequently and that was for my own health and well being.

As far as the allegations of multiple posters actually being the same person, if Justme continued to read the thread, that did get discussed as an interesting feature. We have a tendency of having the same "voice" in our text. Why that is, whether trained or our minds being what they are, I don't know. I don't doubt that there are some who have posted under many names. I've gone by two but I make no secret of that. I just shortened it simply because it felt right to cut out the "armchair". (I'm a participant, no longer an armchair participant.)

I also do think, however, that there have been people that have come across this thread to try to bend it for their own purposes/reasons. I have called out the ones that I've come across in the history of this thread and I stand by those decisions to this day. Is Justme one of those? I don't honestly know. What I do know is, regardless of intention, Justme was dominating the thread with that fatalism and that fatalism was choking this thread down into oblivion. This thread and the people within it mean a lot to me. It's one of the few places where such a bizarre and unsettling topic can be discussed without raised eyebrows.

And Kid--welcome. It sounds like some of your experiences are actually similar to what we experienced as well (ie. the intimidated, glaring teachers). I've come to my own personal conclusion that some of the sense of isolation and that intimidation issue would've naturally occurred anyways. It's a lack of comprehension and a threat to the ego at the root of those things. I, for one as I don't speak for the others, don't mind an outside-the-program view of all of this especially when usually those that traipse in to post tend to be trolls or people taking offense at the existence of the thread. You didn't attempt to troll us. In school speak, that gives you a gold star in my book, lol. :D
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Thanks for the welcome Observer...I like you guys.

I haven't read a whole lot of the thread, just enough to be blown away by the organized way in which TPTB searched out who I believe they wished to utilize someday. I'd be curious if anyone here works for the Govt or military. I'm guessing those that became part of the program however, don't read GLP. Too busy trying to remote view what Putin is having for dinner.

One more thing, have you discussed RH negative blood? Are you familiar with the attributes of those who have it and the theories of where it originated?

Y'all keep talking, O.K.? You're all extremely unique and believe it or not, possess the traits that can save us from the evil ones. Seriously.

Lastly, I read how the OP didn't participate much. Most likely that's because this is a data mining thread. Don't let that bother you however as this is also a specialized community thread, very specialized. I highly recommend you put together a database of all willing participants for future pro...uh.. just to keep in touch!

Just a social thing gentlemen, newsletters, baby announcements, etc. so don't go getting your panties in a twist.
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Never assume that all "gifted" were treated the same...compartmentalization is pretty typical when it comes to these things.

I would not deny someone's mental states, explosiveness, and such as not placing them in the program.

Obviously, not all of you were subjected to torture and things liked being raped as a child as part of your version of the program. Please consider the effect this would have on a person's life and mind...the shattering and the anger.
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Never assume that all "gifted" were treated the same...compartmentalization is pretty typical when it comes to these things.

I would not deny someone's mental states, explosiveness, and such as not placing them in the program.

Obviously, not all of you were subjected to torture and things liked being raped as a child as part of your version of the program. Please consider the effect this would have on a person's life and mind...the shattering and the anger.
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Do me a favor please...do not, under any circumstances, give your contact info to anyone. No e-mail, no phone, and make your Facebook private if it isn't already.

Besides being a known CIA hangout, GLP also welcomes the mentally ill. (See disclaimer Pg.1) and is chock full of folks pretending to be someone they're not. A good rule of thumb is, the glossier and more professional someone appears to be, the greater the chance they're trying to sell you something. And if they haven't stated that up front, it can only be bad.

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Never assume that all "gifted" were treated the same...compartmentalization is pretty typical when it comes to these things.

I would not deny someone's mental states, explosiveness, and such as not placing them in the program.

Obviously, not all of you were subjected to torture and things liked being raped as a child as part of your version of the program. Please consider the effect this would have on a person's life and mind...the shattering and the anger.
 Quoting: Edmond Dantes 42624479


Do me a favor please...do not, under any circumstances, give your contact info to anyone. No e-mail, no phone, and make your Facebook private if it isn't already.

Besides being a known CIA hangout, GLP also welcomes the mentally ill. (See disclaimer Pg.1) and is chock full of folks pretending to be someone they're not. A good rule of thumb is, the glossier and more professional someone appears to be, the greater the chance they're trying to sell you something. And if they haven't stated that up front, it can only be bad.
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To Edmond: I'm quite aware of the compartmentalization. Good lord, even on the most basic level, we vary from generation to generation as the program's focus and techniques changed over time. If you hadn't noticed either, a lot of us have been diagnosed with PTSD that complained. Post traumatic stress disorder kind of implies significant trauma. However, one cannot also expect another to keep silent when the individual in question was choking the crap out of the thread and then, went on to attack another after they were kind. As much as I hate it, greater fucking good this time. We all do have problems and one cannot assume that all of us didn't go through really bad things ourselves. There IS such a thing as personal accountability for one's actions--especially in regards to the treatment and consideration of others.

To Kid: As much as I appreciate the concern, know that we're all old, jaded and probably embittered adults here. We're aware of many possibilities and a few of us dipped a toe in the pool first before jumping in and actually connecting each other outside of here about 2 or 3 years ago. The general rationale behind those plunges, if I recall correctly, was to put the veracity of this all to the test. It's one thing to say things on a forum. It's entirely different when your name is attached to it. Besides, it's had some benefit as well.

That's not to say that I advise it myself as you're quite right in many regards. Use one's gut and choose wisely if any do consider it. That's just common sense and pretty sure that most of us have oodles of that. Thank you though for the concern.
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Thanks for the welcome Observer...I like you guys.

I haven't read a whole lot of the thread, just enough to be blown away by the organized way in which TPTB searched out who I believe they wished to utilize someday. I'd be curious if anyone here works for the Govt or military. I'm guessing those that became part of the program however, don't read GLP. Too busy trying to remote view what Putin is having for dinner.

One more thing, have you discussed RH negative blood? Are you familiar with the attributes of those who have it and the theories of where it originated?

Y'all keep talking, O.K.? You're all extremely unique and believe it or not, possess the traits that can save us from the evil ones. Seriously.

Lastly, I read how the OP didn't participate much. Most likely that's because this is a data mining thread. Don't let that bother you however as this is also a specialized community thread, very specialized. I highly recommend you put together a database of all willing participants for future pro...uh.. just to keep in touch!

Just a social thing gentlemen, newsletters, baby announcements, etc. so don't go getting your panties in a twist.
 Quoting: KidCharlemagne


The OP of the thread has been discussed on this thread. I think they came back on the 10th or 11th page (been a while since I read it through all the way) but then, never again. Why it was started is a good question but one that I don't think any of us ever got to the bottom of. We did have someone who was on a list of researchers involved with the program in the 70's pop in once, who provided information that was publicly available but obscure enough to be most likely them and he explained that his role was to find us books with kind of "gifted" role models. I tried baiting him into talking more but he didn't bite. Other than that, dead silence. Not a single teacher or other professional has made their presence known to explain a thing.

In fact, instead what we got out of it was finding things only to have the bloody links removed a week after posting them here. That happened several times. Zero freaking accountability no how many angry or heartfelt pleas for some level of explanation. Zip, nada. Are we watched here? Considering that some of the links sat online untouched for nearly a decade and then got removed with a week of being linked on this thread and given that one of those involved with MGM did show up here (presumably but likely), I'd say yes. However, as usual, they're just watching. Hope they are enjoying the damn show.

rant

Rh negativity? Yes. It has been discussed. Not all of us are rh negative. I did have a very strange experience with an electrician of all things who guessed my rh factor based on an issue I was having though in that regard so yeah, I've heard some weird things. That was a weird day in general. :(

Also since I didn't chime in on the earlier tonsil thing, still have my tonsils and no ear surgeries either.
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Never assume that all "gifted" were treated the same...compartmentalization is pretty typical when it comes to these things.

I would not deny someone's mental states, explosiveness, and such as not placing them in the program.

Obviously, not all of you were subjected to torture and things liked being raped as a child as part of your version of the program. Please consider the effect this would have on a person's life and mind...the shattering and the anger.
 Quoting: Edmond Dantes 42624479


Do me a favor please...do not, under any circumstances, give your contact info to anyone. No e-mail, no phone, and make your Facebook private if it isn't already.

Besides being a known CIA hangout, GLP also welcomes the mentally ill. (See disclaimer Pg.1) and is chock full of folks pretending to be someone they're not. A good rule of thumb is, the glossier and more professional someone appears to be, the greater the chance they're trying to sell you something. And if they haven't stated that up front, it can only be bad.
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To Edmond: I'm quite aware of the compartmentalization. Good lord, even on the most basic level, we vary from generation to generation as the program's focus and techniques changed over time. If you hadn't noticed either, a lot of us have been diagnosed with PTSD that complained. Post traumatic stress disorder kind of implies significant trauma. However, one cannot also expect another to keep silent when the individual in question was choking the crap out of the thread and then, went on to attack another after they were kind. As much as I hate it, greater fucking good this time. We all do have problems and one cannot assume that all of us didn't go through really bad things ourselves. There IS such a thing as personal accountability for one's actions--especially in regards to the treatment and consideration of others.

To Kid: As much as I appreciate the concern, know that we're all old, jaded and probably embittered adults here. We're aware of many possibilities and a few of us dipped a toe in the pool first before jumping in and actually connecting each other outside of here about 2 or 3 years ago. The general rationale behind those plunges, if I recall correctly, was to put the veracity of this all to the test. It's one thing to say things on a forum. It's entirely different when your name is attached to it. Besides, it's had some benefit as well.

That's not to say that I advise it myself as you're quite right in many regards. Use one's gut and choose wisely if any do consider it. That's just common sense and pretty sure that most of us have oodles of that. Thank you though for the concern.
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Observer, the advice was for "Edmond". I would never dream of recommending anything to you or the others that went thru the programs without learning a heckuva lot more about your situation.(Except for sticking together.)

Edmond, though, needs a head's up. He's a little free spirited.

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"I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers)"

So you were a bully and a thug even back then? got it.

oh and this isn't me posting, it's my evil twin skippy, so fuck off.

just posting this to point out about YOU what others might not be aware of, since you were so nice to give me your sociopathic analysis of me.

have a nice day, and keep the fucking change. I'm outta here.

here's my thread for the uncool kids if anyone ever wants to stop in. No salt will be rubbed in any wounds on it.

Thread: the cool kids kicked me out. I'll post starting where I was from here.
 Quoting: scapegoat.


Thank you for linking that thread. It was quite enlightening and your behavior towards Glass Shield on it in particular was quite enough to help me solidify my opinion on you.

Speaking of commonalities, one of the things that I've noted among my friends who were in the gifted program is that we tend not be explosive. Quite the opposite--we tend to be measured in our responses to the extreme. I imagine it comes from all the lessons in critical thinking as well as lessons against irrationality, the issues with gossip (telephone game anyone?), and aggression. Nope, greater tendency towards being deliberative while still thinking somewhat outside of the box (when we're aware of the box at least). We think hard about our answers before we speak because a lot of us are perfectionists who, confronted with the ambiguities of the program, never felt like we ever gave the right answers. It makes us hesitant and generally loathe to plunge ourselves into recklessness. Of course, these are just a few of the traits that I see common with all the gifted that I know (and I do know many outside of this thread)and what I've seen in others here. Those things are absent in this poster, imho, and to attack someone who is also made of glass (I chose the term porcelain for myself)? Reprehensible.
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Thank you Observer- I too find that gifties tend to think more than they speak. I posted at the wrong time on this thread and got caught in the cross hairs. It's ok.

I enjoy checking in on this thread, because it helps me to develop strength and character out of my personality traits. The best thread on GLP.hf
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"I changed into the school smartass/badass in 7th grade however and wow, talk about dis-liking me! I never caused trouble for them (my antics were for my peers)"

So you were a bully and a thug even back then? got it.

oh and this isn't me posting, it's my evil twin skippy, so fuck off.

just posting this to point out about YOU what others might not be aware of, since you were so nice to give me your sociopathic analysis of me.

have a nice day, and keep the fucking change. I'm outta here.

here's my thread for the uncool kids if anyone ever wants to stop in. No salt will be rubbed in any wounds on it.

Thread: the cool kids kicked me out. I'll post starting where I was from here.
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Thank you for linking that thread. It was quite enlightening and your behavior towards Glass Shield on it in particular was quite enough to help me solidify my opinion on you.

Speaking of commonalities, one of the things that I've noted among my friends who were in the gifted program is that we tend not be explosive. Quite the opposite--we tend to be measured in our responses to the extreme. I imagine it comes from all the lessons in critical thinking as well as lessons against irrationality, the issues with gossip (telephone game anyone?), and aggression. Nope, greater tendency towards being deliberative while still thinking somewhat outside of the box (when we're aware of the box at least). We think hard about our answers before we speak because a lot of us are perfectionists who, confronted with the ambiguities of the program, never felt like we ever gave the right answers. It makes us hesitant and generally loathe to plunge ourselves into recklessness. Of course, these are just a few of the traits that I see common with all the gifted that I know (and I do know many outside of this thread)and what I've seen in others here. Those things are absent in this poster, imho, and to attack someone who is also made of glass (I chose the term porcelain for myself)? Reprehensible.
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Thank you Observer- I too find that gifties tend to think more than they speak. I posted at the wrong time on this thread and got caught in the cross hairs. It's ok.

I enjoy checking in on this thread, because it helps me to develop strength and character out of my personality traits. The best thread on GLP.hf
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Best thread by a long shot, lol, and glad it helps. I find the same thing as well. Reminded me of all those traits that I let get dusty with time. And you're welcome. :)


Observer, the advice was for "Edmond". I would never dream of recommending anything to you or the others that went thru the programs without learning a heckuva lot more about your situation.(Except for sticking together.)

Edmond, though, needs a head's up. He's a little free spirited.
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No problem. Sorry if I came off cranky. Very long day. hf
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It's all good y'all.

My points were made only to remind that many of us have been through different variations of the program. I had no problem with the poster who took over the thread because I saw it as an expression of what has happened to some of us. I view it as bringing to light the darkest aspects of these programs. To me, these darker aspects are exactly what "they" don't want to come to light because it truly breaks down the sick levels gone to to maintain control.

Also, I am not concerned about reprecussions of being tracked by them. I mean, wtf, they did it from the beginning so why should I give two-craps about it now. If they wanted any of us dead, then so be it. I personally have been confronted bt the "them" and I told them what needs to happen...everything from here on out is by there choice with full knowledge of what there CIA program did to children who had no choice. You are either for rule of law and human decency or you stand against it...sorry not "relative" arguments work for this. Now, justice awaits for those with full knowledge who still try to lurk in the shadows of "decency".
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It's all good y'all.

My points were made only to remind that many of us have been through different variations of the program. I had no problem with the poster who took over the thread because I saw it as an expression of what has happened to some of us. I view it as bringing to light the darkest aspects of these programs. To me, these darker aspects are exactly what "they" don't want to come to light because it truly breaks down the sick levels gone to to maintain control.

Also, I am not concerned about reprecussions of being tracked by them. I mean, wtf, they did it from the beginning so why should I give two-craps about it now. If they wanted any of us dead, then so be it. I personally have been confronted bt the "them" and I told them what needs to happen...everything from here on out is by there choice with full knowledge of what there CIA program did to children who had no choice. You are either for rule of law and human decency or you stand against it...sorry not "relative" arguments work for this. Now, justice awaits for those with full knowledge who still try to lurk in the shadows of "decency".
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Sorry, corrections to last paragraph...should read

"Also, I am not concerned about reprecussions of being tracked by them. I mean, wtf, they did it from the beginning so why should I give two-craps about it now. If they wanted any of us dead, then so be it. I personally have been confronted bt the "them" and I told them what needs to happen...everything from here on out is by there choice with full knowledge of what their CIA program did to children who had no choice. You are either for rule of law and human decency or you stand against it...sorry no it's "relative" arguments work for this. Now, justice awaits for those with full knowledge who still try to lurk in the shadows of "decency".
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Never assume that all "gifted" were treated the same...compartmentalization is pretty typical when it comes to these things.

I would not deny someone's mental states, explosiveness, and such as not placing them in the program.

Obviously, not all of you were subjected to torture and things liked being raped as a child as part of your version of the program. Please consider the effect this would have on a person's life and mind...the shattering and the anger.
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Do me a favor please...do not, under any circumstances, give your contact info to anyone. No e-mail, no phone, and make your Facebook private if it isn't already.

Besides being a known CIA hangout, GLP also welcomes the mentally ill. (See disclaimer Pg.1) and is chock full of folks pretending to be someone they're not. A good rule of thumb is, the glossier and more professional someone appears to be, the greater the chance they're trying to sell you something. And if they haven't stated that up front, it can only be bad.
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I appreciate the warning, but you don't know anything about me. If you want to keep hidden the CIA raping children and things like that then so be it. However, I will not rest until this is all brought to the light. Justice day is coming...tick tock...and the demons are hungry for those who have chosen to take prat in or defend or hide the actions of control-seekers. My suggestion to you is to let go of fear and work towards the sunshine that rules our existence.

Much love.

To Edmond: I'm quite aware of the compartmentalization. Good lord, even on the most basic level, we vary from generation to generation as the program's focus and techniques changed over time. If you hadn't noticed either, a lot of us have been diagnosed with PTSD that complained. Post traumatic stress disorder kind of implies significant trauma. However, one cannot also expect another to keep silent when the individual in question was choking the crap out of the thread and then, went on to attack another after they were kind. As much as I hate it, greater fucking good this time. We all do have problems and one cannot assume that all of us didn't go through really bad things ourselves. There IS such a thing as personal accountability for one's actions--especially in regards to the treatment and consideration of others.

To Kid: As much as I appreciate the concern, know that we're all old, jaded and probably embittered adults here. We're aware of many possibilities and a few of us dipped a toe in the pool first before jumping in and actually connecting each other outside of here about 2 or 3 years ago. The general rationale behind those plunges, if I recall correctly, was to put the veracity of this all to the test. It's one thing to say things on a forum. It's entirely different when your name is attached to it. Besides, it's had some benefit as well.

That's not to say that I advise it myself as you're quite right in many regards. Use one's gut and choose wisely if any do consider it. That's just common sense and pretty sure that most of us have oodles of that. Thank you though for the concern.
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Observer, the advice was for "Edmond". I would never dream of recommending anything to you or the others that went thru the programs without learning a heckuva lot more about your situation.(Except for sticking together.)

Edmond, though, needs a head's up. He's a little free spirited.
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It's all good y'all.

My points were made only to remind that many of us have been through different variations of the program. I had no problem with the poster who took over the thread because I saw it as an expression of what has happened to some of us. I view it as bringing to light the darkest aspects of these programs. To me, these darker aspects are exactly what "they" don't want to come to light because it truly breaks down the sick levels gone to to maintain control.
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I have no problem with someone bringing things to light at all. In fact, I think that should be done. I think that what the others and I all are trying to say is that we have our own internal battles and reminding the poster of that. Don't make the assumption either that because we may seem to have our proverbial shit together via text that we fully do. I spent a good chunk of yesterday and the day before crying, feeling almost totally isolated, dealing with some traumatic almost quasi-flashbacks of what might have been associated with some sexual abuse right down to the damn odor, and more from my own personal horror show that is my existence right now. I'm dealing with something really very messed up myself, too, but I'm also choosing to rely on my own internal strength as well and avoiding lashing out at others for someone else's crimes that those others didn't even do. Another thing to make clear--I'm not sure that what happened to myself and my family (we're talking three women here) had jack to do with the gifted programs as those crimes occurred in family residences--not school. It's like the old adage--too many chefs spoiled the pot and that could very well apply to many of us. We may not have had one chef but several to make us who we are today.

Also, I am not concerned about reprecussions of being tracked by them. I mean, wtf, they did it from the beginning so why should I give two-craps about it now. If they wanted any of us dead, then so be it. I personally have been confronted bt the "them" and I told them what needs to happen...everything from here on out is by there choice with full knowledge of what there CIA program did to children who had no choice. You are either for rule of law and human decency or you stand against it...sorry not "relative" arguments work for this. Now, justice awaits for those with full knowledge who still try to lurk in the shadows of "decency".


Same and same. I had a door opened to talk by someone who, if I thought they were going to actually give me anything, would've been able to help me with one of my own personal findings. That person was a now retired and well known colonel. That, in itself, was a messed up experience and a half but for that particular finding, like I said on this thread--I don't know if it relates to the programs or if it is a "family" problem. That'd be the damn tape, btw. I'm not afraid of saying I don't know when it comes to a lot of this stuff and there is a lot that we have found buried behind paywalls and more that is questionable. What happened to that stuff? Access was limited back down or removed in several instances.

My grandfather was in military intelligence and he was a sketchy bastard (which is why I didn't take the offer above btw). If he didn't want you to know something, he wasn't going to ever give it to you and that's how it works. The stuff that's real that we can uncover out from the sand. It gets removed or buried even deeper. The stuff that's freely available for anybody to find. That is the stuff that they don't care about and just let it sit. Those sites that posit all the conspiratorial ideas about manchurian candidates and more sit freely while look Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, both of whom released classified information that uncovered wrongdoing. That's an important distinction in treatment, I think.
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Argh, the second paragraph of unquoted text starting with "Also" was supposed to be quoted. Sorry about that.
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Hi Observer. The one thing that I was taught to internalize when I was in the beginning stages of remembering my abuse was that I already had lived thru it, that was the hard part. As bad as remembering was, it was nothing compared to the real thing.


So remember that, you've already been thru the hard part, you're strong
and resilient, to the point most people can't even comprehend let alone be themselves.


FYI- It took a few years, but I went from where you are now or perhaps worse, to being pretty damn whole and happy. It is possible, just takes time and talking to someone you trust, in my case a social worker.
It also helped me to learn how to take care of myself, my 4yr old me included. When one is severely abused, they stop growing emotionally. I over came that and grew up eventually, but the four year old stuck around. She's the badass by the way, the mouthy one. Had to teach her to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, you're going to be fine Oberver, trust me. If I can do it, so can you. (Sounds like we have similar stories,family stuff plus military. Don't know how those go together or if they even do. Maybe we were just extra lucky!)

Now shouldn't we give these nice people back their thread?

cheer

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Hi Observer. The one thing that I was taught to internalize when I was in the beginning stages of remembering my abuse was that I already had lived thru it, that was the hard part. As bad as remembering was, it was nothing compared to the real thing.


So remember that, you've already been thru the hard part, you're strong
and resilient, to the point most people can't even comprehend let alone be themselves.


FYI- It took a few years, but I went from where you are now or perhaps worse, to being pretty damn whole and happy. It is possible, just takes time and talking to someone you trust, in my case a social worker.
It also helped me to learn how to take care of myself, my 4yr old me included. When one is severely abused, they stop growing emotionally. I over came that and grew up eventually, but the four year old stuck around. She's the badass by the way, the mouthy one. Had to teach her to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, you're going to be fine Oberver, trust me. If I can do it, so can you. (Sounds like we have similar stories,family stuff plus military. Don't know how those go together or if they even do. Maybe we were just extra lucky!)

Now shouldn't we give these nice people back their thread?

cheer
 Quoting: KidCharlemagne


I do that nearly every day, Kid. I know very well that I am an extraordinarily tough cookie. I do also know that it's perfectly okay to be human every once in a while and grieve something when it's right to. Far better, imho, than being a bottler.

As far as the "giving these nice people back their thread", I am one of "those nice people". I was in the program and I was talking to another about how I view the issues of sex abuse that some of us may have experienced as well as those freaky external to the family experiences. It's completely on point at this time and I do think it's important to also question the veracity of some of the stuff that is out there on the web such as the Monarch stuff, which just recently got resurrected once again. I gave my view on it. It's applicable.

We don't need a police officer for the thread or a minder. We actually don't take to that very well--especially me. I had "issues with authority" on my permanent record because I questioned it.

Okay?
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Meant to say I should give you nice people back your thread, later.
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Hi Observer. The one thing that I was taught to internalize when I was in the beginning stages of remembering my abuse was that I already had lived thru it, that was the hard part. As bad as remembering was, it was nothing compared to the real thing.


So remember that, you've already been thru the hard part, you're strong
and resilient, to the point most people can't even comprehend let alone be themselves.


FYI- It took a few years, but I went from where you are now or perhaps worse, to being pretty damn whole and happy. It is possible, just takes time and talking to someone you trust, in my case a social worker.
It also helped me to learn how to take care of myself, my 4yr old me included. When one is severely abused, they stop growing emotionally. I over came that and grew up eventually, but the four year old stuck around. She's the badass by the way, the mouthy one. Had to teach her to shut the fuck up.

Anyway, you're going to be fine Oberver, trust me. If I can do it, so can you. (Sounds like we have similar stories,family stuff plus military. Don't know how those go together or if they even do. Maybe we were just extra lucky!)

Now shouldn't we give these nice people back their thread?

cheer
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I do that nearly every day, Kid. I know very well that I am an extraordinarily tough cookie. I do also know that it's perfectly okay to be human every once in a while and grieve something when it's right to. Far better, imho, than being a bottler.

As far as the "giving these nice people back their thread", I am one of "those nice people". I was in the program and I was talking to another about how I view the issues of sex abuse that some of us may have experienced as well as those freaky external to the family experiences. It's completely on point at this time and I do think it's important to also question the veracity of some of the stuff that is out there on the web such as the Monarch stuff, which just recently got resurrected once again. I gave my view on it. It's applicable.

We don't need a police officer for the thread or a minder. We actually don't take to that very well--especially me. I had "issues with authority" on my permanent record because I questioned it.

Okay?
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hfcheers
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Does anyone that was part of these programs recognize one of the guys that was right next to the Pope on stage at St. Patrick's Cathedral? I'll see if I can find a picture to include later.
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Does anyone that was part of these programs recognize one of the guys that was right next to the Pope on stage at St. Patrick's Cathedral? I'll see if I can find a picture to include later.
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Here's the guy:

[link to oi62.tinypic.com]
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yes.
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Quick question Are you guys left handers or rh negative that went to programs
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Quick question Are you guys left handers or rh negative that went to programs
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Quick question Are you guys left handers or rh negative that went to programs
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Quick question Are you guys left handers or rh negative that went to programs
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stfu datasuckmonger!

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And God of Space sayeth:

"Thou shalln't number the children of Brainsreal, but instead, sew them like Jesus' "seeds" back unto their families.

And some day maybe they will tally themsleves and fix this shitty backwater podunky world, which knoweth not space."





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