Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

Interesting! I need to go back and read this entire thread. I've only read about 15 or so pages - before last week, I could only get through a little bit before I got stressed and bad headaches. I seem to be ok now, but I haven't read anything here, at length. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to read it all and catch up.

You know, Desertwolf, this is one of those posts that, if my fiance read it, he would be certain I had written it except for the locations, names of programs. Yep to everything but those place and name facts. Replace it with 1969, TAG, and Oregon. I don't live in the middle of nowhere but I've always been a hermit. I make appearances at times because my neighbors are nice and sometimes worry that I've died. Sad that I make a point of coming out during peak neighbor times just for that reason, lol, just so I don't appear to be too "maladjusted" from the norm.


Lol its nice to know I am not the only one, I was convinced for many years that the whole purpose of EEE was to identify and program someone to pull off a columbine style attack I never was able to find out if dylan or eric where in a gifted program or not.

Lol its nice to know I am not the only one, I was convinced for many years that the whole purpose of EEE was to identify and program someone to pull off a columbine style attack I never was able to find out if dylan or eric where in a gifted program or not.


I am beginning to suspect that not all of their intentions were for the 'betterment' of us kids - I think that they could have done anything they wanted to.

thanks for ignoring my posts. you all are worse than the nobody thread, which he also went to regularly.

did i mention i have text shots and proof he was influenced by L-OP and G-LP?

i do.

this is just a mind fuck trap.

you all need to get a reality check.

i am a person with a big big heart.

HUGE.

but.

I HATE YOU. i hate your blase bullshit, your games, everything.

you are just a part of the matrix.
and you think you are free.

there is no empathy left in this world. the psychopaths have outbred us.

Dylan Klebold was in the gifted program. This was something that I looked at a couple months ago. I took a random sample of the shooters from the 90's and researched as much as I could about each one. The majority from my sample (13 out of 15) all had articles about them having superior iq's. 6 were specifically denoted as gifted students. I also collected what I felt were significant quotes from these boys along with other material I felt notable. Although information was spares and hard to find, several of them reported hearing voices before their shootings.

One of the most chilling quotes I find is Andrew Wurst. He purportedly said that people are "programmed to act and say what the government, mad scientists or a psycho want them to say".

Last Edited by Porcelain on 10/19/2012 08:11 PM

Go back a page and read the responses.

He had a point..

Then you need to learn to read. I've counted several responses from various posters to you and actually a mini-thread of coping mechanism responses.

Telling us that you hate us, however, isn't going to do much either. I can't think of a day where I haven't felt hated for who or what I am. Most people are pretty nasty to anyone who is intelligent and makes them look dumb not through petty intent. Drop in the "gifted" word or mention iq, they get downright rabid. Hate us if you want. I'm sure that I'm not the only one on this thread who is used to it.

Last Edited by Porcelain on 10/19/2012 08:10 PM

So true.

I lost every single one of my friends when I went into MGM. After school - I never mentioned my IQ anymore. People would look at me with distaste or say something like, "Well, you know that just means you had potential - it doesn't mean you were smart..."

I'm the AC you were replying to. Had an account at the time, but got logged out.

My program was called GATE. It was finished, as a pull-out program, by 2nd grade. After that, gifted education was accomplished through differentiated education in the normal classroom, honors classes, and so forth.

I'm not trying to say that it was identical to the other GATE/MGM/TAG programs people are talking about. As mentioned in my previous post, some things sound familiar, some really don't.

This was the mid 80s. The Cold War was winding down, and the economy sucked. Maybe they just lost interest/funding. Maybe no one at my school panned out for continued effort.


Oh, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. And yes, most of the military kids went to the public schools. Just saying that, if they were there, they weren't obvious about it with JROTC, recruiting on-campus, or anything like that.


I read the synopsis on the wiki myself, and it doesn't sound quite like the SRA card story. I specifically recall it having 100 people, chosen by lottery (not the most effective survival strategy, really) going on a spaceship. I don't know where I got the idea that it was from When Worlds Collide. My guess would be that I described it to someone, and they said it sounded like that.

In any case, still odd content for something aimed at kids.

I looked through my own set of cards to see if it happened to be there. It wasn't, but there's a story called Third From The Sun, with a similar doom-y theme (there's a Twilight Zone episode based on the short story). I'm pretty sure it wasn't the one I was thinking about, but still an interesting inclusion.

Question: Does the term "lunch bunch" ring a bell for anyone else? This came up elsewhere recently. Someone mentioned it, in the context of a group of kids having lunch with the school psychologist. A friend (who grew up in a different country) and I both felt the term was familiar from our own pasts, but can't remember why.

Yeah, that's what I find so disturbing about this, especially taking Gowan into context. He talked about positive disintegration or "developmental forcing" being used on young children with it having the hazard of schizophrenia (either paranoid delusion or DID). When I took Gowan's little Northridge Scale, I scored a 60 and wouldn't you know it, I had 7 N's or neurotic type responses. Those 7 Ns were all program related. Huh. I bet I wouldn't have scored those 7 N's if it weren't for the program. Putting it into perspective, they could have been inducing a response out of kids who already had a tendency towards either schizophrenia or bipolar, both of which have a slightly higher incidence in those with high iqs.

The words are in the eyes of the beholder though. For us, they have meaning and possibility. To everyone else, they are the words of a kid gone insane with paranoid delusions. Nice set up they have there. I guess that is another coping mechanism for me. Whenever I start feeling sorry for myself, I just remember that at least my ass is sitting in a nice, warm home and not in a jail, forever blocked from any kind of recovery. Most were not given diagnoses from my random sample but allusions were made based on their statements and etc. So, it makes me stop feeling sorry for my life and gets me a little angry trying to imagine what kind of hell they live in, both mentally and physically.

hey first post in this thread

but i just find it weird alot of this resonates with me... being socially different slightly a hermit only because others just dont get it .. or get whats really going on around them..

they alot of you guys feel is how i feel

but i never went through any special programming was always in normal classes

actually most of my family im 1 of 10 kids are all straight A students a couple went into some advance programs ...

you guys talk about first computers were in your class rooms
liked doing these puzzles and what not

so i feel like you guys but never went through "GATE"

barley remeber my early years in school either but
my whole generation grew up on computers (did that affect us in anyways)

were they able to intergrate these GATE techniques now with out even having to isolate children?

i mean ive always been different then the majority growning up (in a large highly populated city) and i feel now that eveyone my age is in college now im even more different minded then them almost 95% of the people i know

i wonder is it just you guys are waking up now?

was your education really different from the norm of education now? do they do it in mass now?

lol I am not sure if my education was that far from the norm (tongue in cheek) where you taught Hp blavatsky and TM? in public school? Logic puzzles guided visualization. By the 4th grade I was well versed in most basic occult teachings all courtesy of EEE.

and i was never a straight A student but most of my family was .. and ill say im the black sheep of the family somewhat esp. growing up... now we all are pretty similar though me and my younger brother are the only ones aware and "awake" i guess ...

i think these programs had large impacts on some of your lives.. but i also think some of you blame to much of it on these programs...

reading alot of what you guys write really seems like me maby with different words but the same general idea.. so was it the program? or just personality types?

or are there other ways they do this in modern times that we are un aware of?

because i went through none of these programs but i can relate to the majority of you.

maby thy use main steam media? or fuck with the masses (not us included) but in return what happens to the masses will reflect on us in some ways as they seem to dissociate with us because we arnt main stream?

I was in it from the 70's into early 80's. I don't think the program was static overtime. The gifted that I know who went through the program in the 1990's and 2000's had a drastically different experience than what those in the 70's recollect. I agree that changing political motivations and psychological theories probably changed the activities and interests of the program over time. A friend of mine from the programs noted a change in the late 80's and we agree that probably the most radical change occurred starting in the late 90's. Some of the change may have been just omission of specific techniques due to poor outcomes or a fine tuning. Amongst my personal friends that are gifted, we're all very similar in regards to many factors despite the decade differences. It's interesting.



Yeah, lol, no kidding. My daughter came home on Wednesday and told me about this game that she was doing at school. It was basically disaster response games where the kids were basically working against a timer to create a scenario that would have the best outcome (least death, least wounded). Pretty complex and the disasters were earthquakes, wildfires and tsunamis. I kind of inwardly groaned because I remember disaster scenarios. Such a cheery thing for kids to learn. I think they may have backfired with me since I generally prefer to play Pandemic. Shhh, don't tell! lol



Yep but not for me personally. My son. He was in the program in the mid 2000's for one year. Was out of program reach for several years and when we moved again into an area with it, I found out that they didn't just transfer gifted info from state to state. It's kept separate from the school record. After I notified the school that he was gifted, they put him in with a lunch bunch. It was as you said, kids having lunch with a school psychologist. I believe it was twice a week. They decided he had "emotional disturbance" issues, which is a loaded subject in our house. My son was coming home every day absolutely distraught because his school was more like a zoo filled with animals than a place of education. Apparently, being upset and frustrated with one's purported peers and teachers' behaviors is being "emotionally disturbed". They moved him to college early. Amazingly, the "emotional disturbance" is completely cured. Funny how that works, eh?

cant say i ever learned about Hp blavatsky and TM .. how ever we seemed to do lots of logic puzzles on the computers ...and also had point sytems for reading the more you read the more points and the higher the reading level the more points you would get ( i was never a big reader) so i cant comment or remember the material... guided visualization ( can you tell me what you did?) i remeber we used to do group guided meditation in class shut off all the lights (sometimes lead by the teacher and sometimes a recording)

Based on what I can glean from my two kids, the program that I was in was vastly different from typical school learning. Whereas most kids were learning about straight up history, we had magazines that talked about UFOs and abductions in all seriousness. Occult, mythology, symbolism--that all was thoroughly stuffed in my noggin including philosophy and social theory. Not even remotely similar to normal. However and this is a big however, I would say that the masses are being "fucked with" in a major way themselves. I remember seeing somewhere a list for police use of symptoms of brainwashing. One of the things listed was the tendency to wear black or gray clothing. I reflect on this one every time I make one of my very rare trips to Macy's. It's amazing how much black clothing they sell these days, lol.

Anyways, I don't think that we were the only ones manipulated if that's what was done with us. We just got a special dose of the kool aid. The general public just got the regular version. I could go on at length on that subject but that would probably become pretty derailing.

You weren't in it though. I was and I do remember Blavatsky, TM, Crowley, and much, much more. My journals from the time are filled with occult symbols.

Quick edit ps: And world mythology. Lots of mythology.

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i also think with the internet anyone can fall into this rabit hole if they just seek the right information...

as armchairobserver said his child was working on scenario disasters ... one of my younger brothers also has done that in his school before


why do we all end up here
could be how we were programmed in schools
could just be its the type of person like weve said who goes against the grain who always asks questions

thats one thing ive noticed is i can never stop soaking in as much information as i can i always wanna learn more and more and more (BUT about the subjects i want to learn) THATS why college didnt work for me i after 2 years i couldnt fathom it anymore

i think the ones who just go day to day watching progrmmed tv wanting the next fad (they seem more like robots) i think its our urge for always wanting the truth, and new info no mater if your from the 40s or 90s or beyond we all end up here(GLP) or here in the mindset because we ARE different from others

i dont think half of what was done was to be evil but more to see and understand

i know kids who get into drugs or bad habbits who are extremly smart ( its honestly how your family rasies you and your surrounding) how youll end up.. i feel alot of our talents are lost because who ever is running the show dosent have it set up for some of us to acoplish and excell in life

these are just my opinions feel free to comment criticize

and sorry for the awful grammar to lazy to fix

i feel TONS of children books have insane ammounts of occult meaning and hidden meanings (but we dont see it as children) but now that we look back we understand because of our new found intelligence on finding these hidden meanings in everything

you look back now and are just mind boggled by it all now right? but you didnt know then

i feel its happening now and always has

i find when i look back on things now... or even what i see on tv or movies books in the present time all have new meanings now ( i see all the hidden occult crap) i mean i know its not Crowley but it probably came from him and is fed to us in more advance ways or more hidden ways

MYTHOLOGY was huge in my education though i do remeber that

and was always attracted to it too movies books ect.

i like reading things ive read in the past or just seeing things because everything has new meaning now... everything really connects now and the synchronicitys going on in life are just mind boggling now

i guess my question is what are you guys trying to figure out?

Why this happened to you?

or are you just wanting to learn more of what you forgot?

i mean cuz education weather it be normal or special classes is all for the same reason isnt it? to feed specific information (that they controll)to the type of people they want mostly false info or very right brained or very left brained (its all out of control)

they learn from us more then we learn from them

we are all here not much use to them anymore

none of us are there pawns so we can be thankful for that none of are mind controlled into the CIA or other programs where they just use people ... we made it out o the trap and are aware ... i think the best idea is to fight the beast back and take it down...

so if that means digging even deeper for some of you keep at it..

if it means completely moving on from this (but not forgetting) and going on with your llife in another dirction so be it

but make sure to remember we are aware now they lost their control we have to fight back ( with hold from purchasing from corporate compaines) learn to provide for your self

and make sure to know yourself better then anything else thats for damn sure ... you have to let go of somethings to allow greater meanings in your life

al i know is this shit fucked up and is still going on today in many different ways

good day everyone

Hello: you were looking fopr me 7 days ago re: the MGM Curriculum project which wass codirected by myself and Mary Meeker and myself in 68-69. Meeker took her doctorate at USC where I was a professor of educational psychology. I am now 80 years old and have not kept up on these areas of expertise for 15 years or so. I worked with the project for 3 months and then had to leave to be a Fulbright Professor at the University of Singapore. Several outstanding specialists on the education of gifted children including Professor Maurice Freeehil of the University of Washington were part of this project. He had written an outstanding book on this topic which is probably available from Amazon used books or a University Library. John Gowan(deceased) also published books on this topic as well as Irving Sato who directed the National Leadershp on MGM for the US office of Education. I think he is retired and living in Pasadena. Irv was the Director of Educational Programs for MGM Mentally Gifted Minors for the Califorania Dept of Education in Sacramento. The current director may be able to guide you to where these curriculum guides can be found. Dr.Meeker is now deceased.Sorry, my typing skills are so feeble. JFM

make sure to remember we are aware now they lost their control we have to fight back ( with hold from purchasing from corporate compaines) learn to provide for your self

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If if were only so easy to define...

How do you know we were looking for you?

Why are our MGM records sealed?

I'm skeptical.

sorry ACO just saw this now

i do agree with you though you got different up bringing in school with the UFOs and all that.

i feel when i finnaly "AWOKE" and became aware of all this ... everything i began to learn was what was shoved in your brain so early on

over the past 2 or 3 years i got into Occult, mythology, symbolism, or was taught from sites like this and youtube and what not and my own personal research...

so were you guys always aware? or did you have a moment intime like your 20s where it all just hit you.

weird i usualy gravitate to grays and blacks lol
unless its my girl buying me stuff bright colors that pop baby bllue lime green lol

Its not the same. You need to understand that we went through the program and it was created by some interesting people (IE: Gowan). If you didn't go through the program then you can't really relate. All of us grow up and perceive different meanings from events in our lives and books that we've read, etc.

This is something different.

Thanks though!

i understand its not the same at all

they did the testing on you as children

and now they got there results and implement it worldwide

whilst they do new research and integrate it all together to have the utmost control and knowledge of us

its a never ending cycle

its in video games now

mine craft create your own entire world but deffend yourself from monsters overnight create defense mechanisms traps and mazes so they cant get you i see my 9 year old doing this quite advance and mind boggling