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"A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?

 
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
She is the Church and her child is the elect.

How is she a church?

The seven churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation, and they are addressed as churches, not women.

But I'll play along, who is the Elect?

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The elect are the 144,000. The Church is to be married to Jesus. Which is the way God reveals the relationship.
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What? What this?

There is a church with 144,000 virgin men somewhere on this planet that the beast (666) that is yet to rise will await to devour them and they will rule the nations of the World with an iron rod?

I thought the one who ruled the nations was the son of man. In fact, saint Daniel is clear that it is a son of man.

Daniel 7
13 -- As the visions during the night continued, I saw One like a son of man coming, on the clouds of heaven; When he reached the Ancient One and was presented before him,

14 -- He received dominion, glory, and kingship; nations and peoples of every language serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that shall not be taken away, his kingship shall not be destroyed.

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She is the Church and her child is the elect.

How is she a church?

The seven churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation, and they are addressed as churches, not women.

But I'll play along, who is the Elect?

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The elect are the 144,000. The Church is to be married to Jesus. Which is the way God reveals the relationship.

What? What this?

There is a church with 144,000 virgin men somewhere on this planet that the beast (666) that is yet to rise will await to devour them and they will rule the nations of the World with an iron rod?

I thought the one who ruled the nations was the son of man. In fact, saint Daniel is clear that it is a son of man.

Daniel 7
13 -- As the visions during the night continued, I saw One like a son of man coming, on the clouds of heaven; When he reached the Ancient One and was presented before him,

14 -- He received dominion, glory, and kingship; nations and peoples of every language serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that shall not be taken away, his kingship shall not be destroyed.

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You can't be serious. I do not cast my pearls among the swine...sorry.
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I am interested in your replies Doom. I think you photo is right on.

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Thanks hf


By the way...

I am haunted by your avatar photo... is that you ?


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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Revelation 12
5 -- She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

Who is she, and who is her son?

Come one come all...

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stfu
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

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Jesus is God... the child is not Jesus...
the child is a man who ascends God's throne
on earth.

That throne is in Holy Mother Russia.

God's Tsar was the One who restrained
the power of the antichrists. When the
One who restrained was removed from power
then murdered by the antichrists, there
was no man left to prevent the antichrists
from running amuck over the planet.

That is, until God's new Tsar arises... to rule
the planet with a scepter of iron and purge
from the kingdom all things that oppose and
offend God.


That man, God's Tsar, is Vladimir Putin.



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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Here ya go, your answer is in this thread.
Thread: A Clockwork Star ~ The Star of Bethlehem

I'll even save you the time. It's in clip #5, here:
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Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
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Jesus is not GOD

Revelation
Chapter 1
1 -- The revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave to him, to show his servants what must happen soon. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

I'm ignoring the rest of reply.

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I am interested in your replies Doom. I think you photo is right on.




Thanks hf


By the way...

I am haunted by your avatar photo... is that you ?


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no.
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Trolls feed wild geese to chase. If you knew the answer you would have post it. hf
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I look similar, same hair, etc. thus I chose it form the one's available. I am a bit older though. I'm 43! The young girl in the AV pic is mid 20s I would guess.
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Virgo. And she's an opinionated biatch.
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Jesus is not GOD

Revelation

Chapter 1
1 -- The revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave to him, to show his servants what must happen soon. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863538




The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to St John.




Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel.

Jesus Christ is the fullness of God dwelling bodily.

Jesus Christ is the Word who created the universe.

Jesus Christ is Immanuel, God with us.




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I look similar, same hair, etc. thus I chose it form the one's available. I am a bit older though. I'm 43! The young girl in the AV pic is mid 20s I would guess.

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The photo also reminds me of myself when I was younger.


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Trolls feed wild geese to chase. If you knew the answer you would have post it. hf
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Your loss, not mine!

I'm not looking for answers, you are!

Still wanna talk "troll"!?!?
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Jesus is not GOD

Revelation

Chapter 1
1 -- The revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave to him, to show his servants what must happen soon. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

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Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel.

Jesus Christ is the fullness of God dwelling bodily.

Jesus Christ is the Word who created the universe.

Jesus Christ is Immanuel, God with us.
 Quoting: Dr Doom

BOOK OF MARK
Chapter 10, verse 18:

New International Version (©1984)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked. "Only God is truly good.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except for one-God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

American King James Version
And Jesus said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

American Standard Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.

Bible in Basic English
And Jesus said to him, Why do you say I am good? no one is good but one, and that is God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.

Darby Bible Translation
But Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? no one is good but one, that is God.

English Revised Version
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.

Webster's Bible Translation
And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good, but one, that is God.

Weymouth New Testament
"Why do you call me good?" asked Jesus in reply; "there is no one truly good except One--that is, God.

World English Bible
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except one--God.

Young's Literal Translation
And Jesus said to him, 'Why me dost thou call good? no one is good except One -- God;

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Our Lady of Guadalupe?
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exactly

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DANCING THROUGH THE END OF TIME


Ophiuchus - The Thirteenth Constellation

by Raymond Mardyks

Do you ever get the feeling that there is a missing piece to the puzzle? Our Earth orbit around our Sun in a year's time. This is ordinarily measured by the twelve months of the year or the twelve signs of the zodiac. Neither of these two measurement systems use the actual stars that we see in the night sky. When we do use the stars or the constellations to measure the yearly cycle, we can recognize that the Sun appears to move through thirteen constellations of stars every year; not twelve. Also when working with the stars, we find that our Moon orbits around the Earth thirteen times in one year; as the Moon moves thirteen times faster than the Earth. Who is the mysterious thirteenth constellation, and why is there so little information available about him?

This intriguing constellation is called Ophiuchus, which simply means Serpent Holder. the image that represents him in the sky is most often seen as a naked man with a large serpent or snake coiled between his legs. He holds the body of the Serpent in his two hands. His eyes are directed toward the head of the Serpent, which is reaching for the stars of Corona Borealis, the Northern Crown. Ophiuchus' forehead and third eye are in close proximity to the forehead and third eye of Hercules, the constellation just above Ophiuchus. Their relationship is analogous to that of teacher-student, guru-disciple or shaman-apprentice. One of Ophiuchus' feet is on the back of Scorpius, the Scorpion, just above Antares, the star in the Scorpion's heart. His other foot is dangerously close to the stinger in the Scorpion's tail. Near this foot and the stinger, along with the tip of Sagittarius, the Archer's arrow, is the position of the center of our Galaxy.

Ophiuchus is named by his relationship to the archetypal being called the Serpent. This is the same Serpent that appears in the Garden of Eden story in the bible and also the same Serpent as Quetzalcoatle and Rukulcan, as he is called in Middle America by the Aztecs and the Mayans. Our culture has tended to negate the archetypal energies of the Serpent and associate it with "evil." The Mayan, Hindu and other indigenous cultures have honored the Serpent and its energy. It is interesting that much of the alternative teachings, since the 1960s, either came from India or Native cultures. Where would the New Age be without chakras, karma, meditation, drumming and respecting the Earth Mother? Those of us who have journeyed on a spiritual path toward healing, wholeness or enlightenment have encountered the Serpent, possibly as healing energy or the awakening Kundalini. the stars of Ophiuchus invite us to awaken to our individual relationship to the Serpent. Are we struggling with the Serpent, in denial or trying to manipulate its energy; or are we dancing with it, in a state of unconditional love and surrender?

Every year between November 22, and December 25, the Sun passes through the constellation of Ophiuchus, from our perspective here on the Earth. Many of us recognize this as the "holiday Season". The Christmas holiday is, on one level, the celebration of the birth of Christ or Christ consciousness. This state of consciousness, also sometimes called galactic consciousness, is represented by the constellation of Ophiuchus, the Serpent Dancer, when achieved within a human body. Remember that there are twelve disciples with the Christ, as there are twelve signs of the zodiac with Ophiuchus. What is also unique about Ophiuchus is that it is the only constellation in human form that resides in the direction of the center of our Milky Way Galaxy! In galactic astrology, the center of the Galaxy is analogous to the Higher Self or the Jungian Self. It is only by transcending the "wheel of twelve" and allowing energy to spiral, resonant with the number thirteen, that we as humans, access and maintain a conscious connection to our Higher Self.

Another important connection to Ophiuchus lies in the fact that the Winter Solstices, since 1937, have been in his area of the sky. Due to a 26,000 year cycle called the precession of the equinox, the spring equinox appears to move from one constellation to another. At this time, it is shifting from Pisces, the Fish to Aquarius, the Water Bearer. Applying this astrological technique to the movement of the two solstices, Summer and Winter, they also indicate archetypal shifts. When an equinox or solstice enters a new constellation in this way, it signals a "new age". It is being suggested here that Ophiuchus, the Serpent Carrier, is the archetype of what we commonly call the New Age and that the time of Aquarius is still yet to come. The last Age of Ophiuchus was from about 4500 BC to 2500 BC. Now that the Serpent Holder has returned, we have the opportunity to "remember" and once again access ancient wisdom from that time and specifically wisdom related to "serpent energy".

Since the late 1930s, all the planets have astrologically passed through Ophiuchus' area of the sky. All but one that is. The planet Pluto began its journey through Ophiuchus and the Serpent around the start of the 1990s. This is when the World Wide Web came into existence. Notice how Ophiuchus is encountering the Serpent through his two hands. Consider how an electric musician, an energy healer and a Web surfer all work with "the energy" through their two hands. Pluto will complete its journey through Ophiuchus around 2012, the date many of us recognize as the end of an over 5000-year long Mayan calendar cycle. The Mayan calendar is based on galactic astrology cycles. These are cycles involving the stars, such as the Pleiades. The Mayan calendar cycles are not limited to the planets of our solar system.

What may very well be the most significant astrological event in the history of humanity is about to occur. The equinoxes and the solstices form a cross in the sky that appears to rotate in a total period of 26,000 years. Every 6500 years, either the equinoxes or the solstices are aligned with the equator of our Galaxy. The equator of our Galaxy is what we are looking at when we see the stars of the Milky Way on a dark, clear night. the Winter Solstice in December 1998, will have the center of the Sun precisely aligned with the center of the galactic equator. This marks the time of the major influx of galactic and star energy into the Earth and the beginning of a galactic initiation which will be complete in the thirteen or so years till 2012.

To get a picture of what galactic means for us as human beings, think about the people in Star Trek. They have the capacity to travel among the stars of our Galaxy, they are interacting with other galactic citizens and are a part of a intragalactic Federation that includes civilizations from other star systems. The time of Star Trek, 200-300 years in the future, is astrologically marked by the Winter Solstice reaching an exact alignment with the center of our Galaxy. This is also the time of the completion of the 6000-year long Jewish/Biblical calendar cycle. What is to occur within the next few years is that humanity will begin to become a galactic race of beings (the full potential of Ophiuchus). By the way, according to the sidereal, star-based zodiac, the Age of Aquarius will begin in this future time about 200-300 years from now. How can we have "true brotherhood" and understanding when we have not yet made peace with our own "inner Alien" or awakened to our heritage as descendants of extraterrestrials?

Working consciously with the energy of the Serpent enables us to take back any shadow projections that we unconsciously offer to the "other." After this is done and we have integrated our own tendency toward duality, fragmentation and separation, then we are invited to truly wake-up and be with the other beings who share our world with us. What we are about to co- create here on the Earth is beyond anything that we can possibly imagine at this time. You are invited to be present in each and every moment and enjoy the dance through the end of time.

Raymond Mardyks is recognized as a leading researcher in the fields of galactic, stellar and archetypal astrology. He is the director of the Sedona Star School and author of Sedona Starseed: A Galactic Initiation. He is the co-author of the Star Book: An Astrological Approach to Enlightenment and co-creator of Daykeepers Out of Time: Mayan Stone Oracle. Recently returned with his wife and four children to live in Sedona, he is available to all who genuinely want to awaken to galactic consciousness and study the art and science of conscious star travel. he may be contacted at:

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2 interpatiions


1. The woman is Israel & Jesus is the son

2. The woman is the church & Jesus is the son


I had always went for #1, but Irenaeus a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John(who wrote revelation) says #2 is correct

Both are wrong. We must go according to the written word.

The women about to give birth is awaited by the beast with ten horns and seven heads the one that is yet to come (666), therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that this male son caught up to GOD and his throne be Jesus.

Revelation 12

3 -- Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

4 -- Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.

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Your confusing symbols... the dragon is satan as is plainly stated in verse 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

And only one person fits the man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.


Verse 11 makes it clear And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

As I stated earlier I'll trust what men who knew John the Apostle and what they were taught by him not a private interpretation
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Your loss, not mine!
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I laughed out loud. hf
I'm not looking for answers,
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I can tell. You possess none.
Still wanna talk "troll"!?!?
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Just for laughs.

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They are humans. A woman and a child birthed by her. That is all I can say. It is not a group of people or a nation or a religion. This singular child is destined to overcome all nations and all peoples.

I think in revelation there are many passages about "he who overcomes" I believe it refers to this male child.
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Jesus is God

That is why Mary is called the Mother of God,
the Holy Theotokos [Greek for "God-bearer".]




I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible: And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came down from the heavens, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man; And was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures; And ascended into the heavens, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; And shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets; In One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I Confess one Baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the Resurrection of the dead, And the life of the age to come, Amen.



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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
2 interpatiions

1. The woman is Israel & Jesus is the son

2. The woman is the church & Jesus is the son

I had always went for #1, but Irenaeus a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John(who wrote revelation) says #2 is correct

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Both are wrong. We must go according to the written word.

The women about to give birth is awaited by the beast with ten horns and seven heads the one that is yet to come (666), therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that this male son caught up to GOD and his throne be Jesus.

Revelation 12

3 -- Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

4 -- Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.

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Your confusing symbols... the dragon is satan as is plainly stated in verse 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan
 Quoting: mathetes

Yes, and with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

We know that this beast is yet to come and will hate the Harlot (USA) and at some point in the nearby future will consume her flesh and burn her with fire,(Rev.17:16) -- so it can't be JESUS

And only one person fits the man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
 Quoting: mathetes

So who is the child?

Verse 11 makes it clear And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 Quoting: mathetes

Okay, fine, but who is the child?

As I stated earlier I'll trust what men who knew John the Apostle and what they were taught by him not a private interpretation
 Quoting: mathetes

Not me, I trust saint John and not men who told you they knew John, that's why I quote from the written word. Thanks.

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Well, Putin pisses me off sometimes but i still think hes sexy.
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Guess there are more myths than any of us wish to acknowledge. How many are based on truth? We won't know; we aren't in charge.
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They are humans. A woman and a child birthed by her. That is all I can say. It is not a group of people or a nation or a religion. This singular child is destined to overcome all nations and all peoples.

I think in revelation there are many passages about "he who overcomes" I believe it refers to this male child.
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Guess there are more myths than any of us wish to acknowledge. How many are based on truth? We won't know; we aren't in charge.
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No myth, all is consistent. The answers are coming... hf
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Your loss, not mine!

I laughed out loud. hf

I'm not looking for answers,

I can tell. You possess none.

Still wanna talk "troll"!?!?

Just for laughs.
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lmao

Eye said the blind man! You are correct! There are no answers for you!

lmao
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No myth, all is consistent. The answers are coming... hf
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Well, Putin pisses me off sometimes but i still think hes sexy.

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Vladimir Putin is the new David...
as the Tsars of Russia were called.


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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
2 interpatiions

1. The woman is Israel & Jesus is the son

2. The woman is the church & Jesus is the son

I had always went for #1, but Irenaeus a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John(who wrote revelation) says #2 is correct

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Both are wrong. We must go according to the written word.

The women about to give birth is awaited by the beast with ten horns and seven heads the one that is yet to come (666), therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE that this male son caught up to GOD and his throne be Jesus.

Revelation 12

3 -- Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

4 -- Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.

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Your confusing symbols... the dragon is satan as is plainly stated in verse 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

Yes, and with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

We know that this beast is yet to come and will hate the Harlot (USA) and at some point in the nearby future will consume her flesh and burn her with fire,(Rev.17:16) -- so it can't be JESUS


And only one person fits the man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

So who is the child?


Verse 11 makes it clear And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Okay, fine, but who is the child?


As I stated earlier I'll trust what men who knew John the Apostle and what they were taught by him not a private interpretation

Not me, I trust saint John and not men who told you they knew John, that's why I quote from the written word. Thanks.

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Hey I'm 100% sola scripture myself,but it behoves us to listen to the men John personally instructed..you say you only use the word,thats great then you should know the phrase used "the man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron" is also ref in the Psalm 2(I didn't post the entire Psalm for sake of space)


Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel



Its obvious the above refers to Christ Jesus as does Rev.12:5

But I see you by your other posts you deny that Jesus is Lord? If I'm wrong please correct me. Otherwise yes you are giving a private interpretation,which happens when one does not let Scripture interpert Scripture
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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