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"A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?

 
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Who is she, and who is her son?
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The woman is the church. The body of Christ. People of many faiths and sects who serve God. The male child is Jesus Christ.
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We know that the seven Churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation (chapter 1-3), and they are addressed as churches, not women.

'Woman' in the Book of Revelation is in reference of cities.

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Revelation 12, EXPLAINED!

What church leaders can't tell you, because they don't know, they're too busy chasing MAMMON (tithes, donations, drinking the wine of the harlot) and on account of their incompetence the beast is able to wage war against the holy ones and conquer them,(Rev.13:7).



BOOK OF REVELATION
Chapter 12

1 -- A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

2 -- She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.

3 -- Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.

4 -- Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.
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The above states the woman clothed with the sun is wailing aloud in pain as she labors to give birth, the huge red dragon is awaiting to devour this child from her womb. The dragon is described as having seven heads and ten horns, this is the same beast in Revelation 13 verse 2 which this dragon gave its own power and throne, along with great authority.

At the above point in time (Rev 12:4) -- Satan has given his power and throne to the first beast (10 horns/7 heads) but is still allowed to enter Heaven to prefer accusations against the inhabitants of earth while the first beast carries out the Dragon's agenda to swallow the child on earth.

Today this beast (europe) has been rising since after WW2 and is fully mature and has begun to fulfill (although partially) Revelation 17 verse 16 whereby the beast is hating the harlot (USA) by competing for the denomination of the World oil-pie into the euro from the harlot (U$A) who has royal authority of, and in the nearby future (2012) will consume the flesh of the harlot (USA) and burn her with fire completing the verse in its entirety. Having said this, the child cannot be JESUS.

2012 -- Beast (vs) Harlot Thread.
Thread: 1000 years is like 1 day for GOD -- 2 Peter 3:8 -- this equals to 41.666 <<-- BEWARE OF HIS WRATH



BOOK OF REVELATION
Chapter 12

5 -- She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to GOD and his throne.

6 -- The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.
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We know that the seven Churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation (chapter 1-3), and they are addressed as churches, not women.

'Woman' in the Book of Revelation is in reference of cities. The woman that flees into the desert is a city and among the many females who are pregnant and become pregnant they will give birth to the future of generations (holy ones) who will be connected to Heaven (caught-up) to carry out the LORD'S plan for those who were left behind. They will possess the Covenant of GOD (BoE) and triumph.

The city is Jerusalem fearing Nuclear attack by the beast (Iran,Russia,Europe) along with the Harlot (USA) and Jerusalem and its citizens run for cover in the desert. The verse say the city (woman) is taken care of for 1260 days, this is 3-and-half-years. THIS IS A BIG WAR -- 2012

America and mother England along with the rest of her sisters Canada and Australia don't take this very lightly, they fight back against the beast and the War progresses from a few missiles fired to a full scale War (conventional) and as the escalation progresses and becomes HOT (nuke) attempts by the Harlot at the Beast are made to assassinate him, probably the President of the European commission who receives a deadly head blow but demonically survives by the Power of Azazel -- (azazel's teachings), hence the verse "the beast that comes up from the abyss" (Rev.17:8) -- Little horn, the second beast arises.



BOOK OF REVELATION
Chapter 12

7 -- Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back,

8 -- but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.

9 -- The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it.

10 -- Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our GOD and the authority of his Anointed. For the accuser of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our GOD day and night.

11 -- They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; love for life did not deter them from death.

12 -- Therefore, rejoice, you heavens, and you who dwell in them. But woe to you, earth and sea, for the Devil has come down to you in great fury, for he knows he has but a short time."
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The end of the World as we know it is approaching at this point because the Little horn has made its appearance. War breaks out in Heaven expelling Satan and his angels forever. These are the great signs and fire that come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone (Rev.13:13) Little horn performs to deceive furthermore the inhabitants of the World.



BOOK OF REVELATION
Chapter 12

13 -- When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

14 -- But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where, far from the serpent, she was taken care of for a year, two years, and a half-year.

15 -- The serpent, however, spewed a torrent of water out of his mouth after the woman to sweep her away with the current.

16 -- But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth and swallowed the flood that the dragon spewed out of its mouth.

17 -- Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commandments and bear witness to Jesus. It took its position on the sand of the sea.
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the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring
the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring

Satan wages war against the rest of her offspring, not those who were caught-up to GOD because they possess the Covenant -- rather those who keep God's commandments (Jews) and bear witness to Jesus (Christians). Those who were caught-up and possess the Covenant of GOD (book of enoch) will undergo a change and have the light rest upon them, they will teach the Jews and Christians the truth and together they call upon GOD and become victorious.

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(1)Enoch 50
1 -- In those days the saints and the chosen shall undergo a change. The light of day shall rest upon them; and the splendour and glory of the saints shall be changed.

2 -- In the day of trouble evil shall be heaped up upon sinners; but the righteous shall triumph in the name of the LORD of spirits.

3 -- Others shall be made to see, that they must repent, and forsake the works of their hands; and that glory awaits them not in the presence of the LORD of spirits; yet that by his name they may be saved. The LORD of spirits will have compassion on them; for great is his mercy; and righteousness is in his judgment, and in the presence of his glory; nor in his judgment shall iniquity stand. He who repents not before him shall perish.

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Dr. Doom,

Thanks for your reply, I just read it. Lotus needs our
prayers. She will never say Jesus is God. Who can figure?

You would think it would come to their minds, New Ager, the very name alone.




God choses who believes and who doesn't.
Who am I to second guess God's decision
concerning Lotus Feet.


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Dr. D.,

No, God wishes everyone to be saved, it is we who decide
for Him.






Do you know why Jesus spoke to the people in parables ?

Jesus tells you Himself.

So that not everyone would understand and believe.

Not everyone is created to believe.

God makes vessels of honor and dishonor.

Some vessels are created to be destroyed.

God is in control of His creation, not the other way around.



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It is written that the names in the Book Of Life were written before The Foundation Of The World.


God gives us free will, but He also already knows what we will choose.


hf
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The woman is also Israel. The Church will be grafted back into Israel.

It is written.


hf

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The only part of the Church that will be grafted back into Israel
is that part which came from Israel, Christian Israelites.

The wild olive branch is grafted back... but notice...
it may be wild... but it is still an olive branch.

Olive is a symbol for Israel.


The tribes of Israel have been scattered to the four winds
since the Assyrian empire scattered them into the "cities of
the Medes" around 750BC.

Then Babylon uprooted most of Israel that remained in Palestine
around 600BC.

At the time of Christ most of Israel... most of the twelve
tribes lived outside of Palestine [James 1:1] That is why
Jesus spoke of the other sheep [sheep is another symbol
for Israel] he had and the jews knew these other sheep
were living among the gentiles [gentiles means nations.]

Much of those who had been scattered among the gentiles
the past 700 years had lost their identity and were lost
among the gentiles. Those were God's sheep the disciples
were to search out and bring the good news of the coming
of Israel's Messiah... thus Israelites became Christians
just as Jesus said... " My sheep hear My voice... and
they follow Me."



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Dr. Doom,

Thanks for your reply, I just read it. Lotus needs our
prayers. She will never say Jesus is God. Who can figure?

You would think it would come to their minds, New Ager, the very name alone.




God choses who believes and who doesn't.
Who am I to second guess God's decision
concerning Lotus Feet.


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Dr. D.,

No, God wishes everyone to be saved, it is we who decide
for Him.






Do you know why Jesus spoke to the people in parables ?

Jesus tells you Himself.

So that not everyone would understand and believe.

Not everyone is created to believe.

God makes vessels of honor and dishonor.

Some vessels are created to be destroyed.

God is in control of His creation, not the other way around.



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It is written that the names in the Book Of Life were written before The Foundation Of The World.

God gives us free will, but He also already knows what we will choose.


hf

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There is no such free will.

God is in control of everything.

He knows what we will choose because He has predestined our choice.


And we know that in all things God works for the good of
those who love Him,who have been called according to His purpose.

For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed
to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn
among many brothers.

And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified;
those He justified, He also glorified.


Romans 8


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The woman is also Israel. The Church will be grafted back into Israel.

It is written.


hf




The only part of the Church that will be grafted back into Israel
is that part which came from Israel, Christian Israelites.

The wild olive branch is grafted back... but notice...
it may be wild... but it is still an olive branch.

Olive is a symbol for Israel.


The tribes of Israel have been scattered to the four winds
since the Assyrian empire scattered them into the "cities of
the Medes" around 750BC.

Then Babylon uprooted most of Israel that remained in Palestine
around 600BC.

At the time of Christ most of Israel... most of the twelve
tribes lived outside of Palestine [James 1:1] That is why
Jesus spoke of the other sheep [sheep is another symbol
for Israel] he had and the jews knew these other sheep
were living among the gentiles [gentiles means nations.]

Much of those who had been scattered among the gentiles
the past 700 years had lost their identity and were lost
among the gentiles. Those were God's sheep the disciples
were to search out and bring the good news of the coming
of Israel's Messiah... thus Israelites became Christians
just as Jesus said... " My sheep hear My voice... and
they follow Me."



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 Quoting: Dr Doom


Christ lives in us through The Holy Spirit. The symbol of the marriage with The Bride is Jesus bringing The Church into The Family.

The church will be grafted back into Israel through marriage.


If you are walking in The Holy Spirit, you are married to Christ, His Bride, and a symbolic Jew by Marriage.




hf
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I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Jesus Christ

Matthew 15:24



As I said... the lost sheep of Israel had been
scattered to the four winds for over 700 years.
Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the Good Shepherd
who sent His disciples to gather that which was lost.

Israelites became Christians... leaving only Edomite-jews
[like the Herods]... who had been forced to convert to being
jews a century before... to carry on the title, "jew". This
fulfilled OT prophecy which says the name would be left
as a curse and God would call His servants by another name.



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I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Jesus Christ

Matthew 15:24



As I said... the lost sheep of Israel had been
scattered to the four winds for over 700 years.
Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the Good Shepherd
who sent His disciples to gather that which was lost.

Israelites became Christians... leaving only Edomite-jews
[like the Herods]... who had been forced to convert to being
jews a century before... to carry on the title, "jew". This
fulfilled OT prophecy which says the name would be left
as a curse and God would call His servants by another name.



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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. THAT WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

John 3:16.
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I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Jesus Christ

Matthew 15:24



As I said... the lost sheep of Israel had been
scattered to the four winds for over 700 years.
Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the Good Shepherd
who sent His disciples to gather that which was lost.

Israelites became Christians... leaving only Edomite-jews
[like the Herods]... who had been forced to convert to being
jews a century before... to carry on the title, "jew". This
fulfilled OT prophecy which says the name would be left
as a curse and God would call His servants by another name.



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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. THAT WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

John 3:16.

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The message of the Bible... if one reads ALL of it...
is that the world is blessed through Israel.. via
Israel's obedience to God the world would be a paradise.



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I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Jesus Christ

Matthew 15:24



As I said... the lost sheep of Israel had been
scattered to the four winds for over 700 years.
Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the Good Shepherd
who sent His disciples to gather that which was lost.

Israelites became Christians... leaving only Edomite-jews
[like the Herods]... who had been forced to convert to being
jews a century before... to carry on the title, "jew". This
fulfilled OT prophecy which says the name would be left
as a curse and God would call His servants by another name.



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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. THAT WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

John 3:16.






The message of the Bible... if one reads ALL of it...
is that the world is blessed through Israel.. via
Israel's obedience to God the world would be a paradise.



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Yes, of course. The Son Of Man, through Israel is The Savior Of The World.

As was stated VERY SUCCINCTLY in the bible, if you read the bible, all of it.

That the entire world would be saved.


Take your replacement theology and shove it.
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From Genesis to Revelation it is made very clear
that God has one special people... Israel.

The problem is... most people do not know who Israel is...
and who Israel is not.

All Israel is now Christian.

Modern day jews are not Israel.


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I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

Jesus Christ

Matthew 15:24



As I said... the lost sheep of Israel had been
scattered to the four winds for over 700 years.
Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the Good Shepherd
who sent His disciples to gather that which was lost.

Israelites became Christians... leaving only Edomite-jews
[like the Herods]... who had been forced to convert to being
jews a century before... to carry on the title, "jew". This
fulfilled OT prophecy which says the name would be left
as a curse and God would call His servants by another name.



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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. THAT WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

John 3:16.






The message of the Bible... if one reads ALL of it...
is that the world is blessed through Israel.. via
Israel's obedience to God the world would be a paradise.



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Yes, of course. The Son Of Man, through Israel is The Savior Of The World.

As was stated VERY SUCCINCTLY in the bible, if you read the bible, all of it.

That the entire world would be saved.


Take your replacement theology and shove it.


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The Bible says through God's special people Israel,
God would bless the world... God gave Israel His Law
to begin that process... when Israel disobeys God,
not only is Israel lost, the whole world is lost.

Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah, said He came only
to the lost sheep of Israel.

Redeeming Israel, redeems the entire planet.



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Take your replacement theology and shove it.

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You are the one who preaches a "replacement" theology.
You try to place others in Israel's God-ordained role.
Most Christians who preach as you do, also encourage
the disobedience of God's Laws.

The world will continue to suffer until God's People,
Israel, fulfill their divine destiny.



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Take your replacement theology and shove it.





You are the one who preaches a "replacement" theology.
You try to place others in Israel's God-ordained role.
Most Christians who preach as you do, also encourage
the disobedience of God's Laws.

The world will continue to suffer until God's People,
Israel, fulfill their divine destiny.



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I don't replace Israels ordained role with speculation about who "Christian Israelites" are, as you do.

Jesus never stated as such.

In fact, you should read The Gospels again, it seems you are a little to enamored of twisting Jesus words to fit your own doctrine.

He came, so that THROUGH HIM, the entire world would be saved.


As, it is written.
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HIS WORDS:

He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting LIFE.


ANYONE.
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Take your replacement theology and shove it.





You are the one who preaches a "replacement" theology.
You try to place others in Israel's God-ordained role.


Most Christians who preach as you do, also encourage
the disobedience of God's Laws.

The world will continue to suffer until God's People,
Israel, fulfill their divine destiny.



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The words of Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah:



I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.


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God chooses who believes and who doesn't.
Who am I to second guess God's decision
concerning Lotus Feet.


Dr. D.,

No, God wishes everyone to be saved, it is we who decide
for Him.

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It is written that the names in the Book Of Life were written before The Foundation Of The World.

God gives us free will, but He also already knows what we will choose.


~ ~ ~

There is no such free will.

God is in control of everything.

He knows what we will choose because He has predestined our choice.


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Dr. Doom,

As a someone shared, I'll say in my way, God sees all so He knows who is in the Book of life but that doesn't mean He decided who is saved. No, we have been given the gift of free will to choose for God so it is our choice always because God wishes all men to be saved.

I post from the Catechism, three paragraphs. They explain better than I and paragraphs 847 and 848 speak of the people who don't know of Christ or His church.

I am not familiar, is it a Mormon teaching there is a select group and others are damned? Doesn't sound like the God I know. No offense, if this is your belief, I wish you would have a change of heart.

I marked in-bold from the Catechism, one of the verses from Scripture.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

PROLOGUE

"FATHER, . . . this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."1 "God our Savior desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."2 "There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved"3 - than the name of JESUS.

I. THE LIFE OF MAN - TO KNOW AND LOVE GOD

1 God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.



847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
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I am not familiar, is it a Mormon teaching there is a select group and others are damned? Doesn't sound like the God I know. No offense, if this is your belief, I wish you would have a change of heart.




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I know nothing about Mormonism.

That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



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So how many of you know about

the connection between

the European Union flag and

"the woman clothed in the sun"?




Summary:


[link to www.biblicalperspectives.com]



Arsène Heitz

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Paul Michel Gabriel Lévy

[link to en.wikipedia.org]




Miraculous medal

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I will tell you one thing. She is pretty much a sexual freak.
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So how many of you know about

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"the woman clothed in the sun"?


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See my first post on this topic on page one.


12 stars = 12 tribes of European Christian Israel

The EU symbol is a circle of twelve stars.

Christian Israel gives birth to a son who is
destined to rule them all = Vladimir Putin.



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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
I posted this in another thread:

It's kind of interesting that some people believe the EU is the woman. The EU indeed has twelve stars. Also I look at the EU's anthem and there is a mention of a woman at least in the original Friedrich Schiller version- I have not looked (yet) who the woman is in the anthem.



The older English translation from Schiller of the lyrics (1785):
Joy, beautiful sparkle of the gods,
Daughter of Elysium!
We enter, fire-drunk,
Heavenly one, your shrine.
Your magic again binds
What custom has firmly parted.
All men become brothers
Where your tender wing lingers.

Here is the full text of the Schiller version:
[link to www.raptusassociation.org]

Also in Greek mythology: Europa was a Phoenician princess whom Zeus abducted after assuming the form of a dazzling white bull. Furthermore, one of the moons of Jupiter is called Europa.

Anyway, just posting for info.
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So how many of you know about

the connection between

the European Union flag and

"the woman clothed in the sun"?






See my first post on this topic on page one.


12 stars = 12 tribes of European Christian Israel

The EU symbol is a circle of twelve stars.

Christian Israel gives birth to a son who is
destined to rule them all = Vladimir Putin.
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No, the story behind the chosen design is what I meant here. (read the links)
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So how many of you know about

the connection between

the European Union flag and

"the woman clothed in the sun"?






See my first post on this topic on page one.


12 stars = 12 tribes of European Christian Israel

The EU symbol is a circle of twelve stars.

Christian Israel gives birth to a son who is
destined to rule them all = Vladimir Putin.
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No, the story behind the chosen design is what I meant here. (read the links)


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 865107


You posted three links.

Please post the Readers Digest version.


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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
I am not familiar, is it a Mormon teaching there is a select group and others are damned? Doesn't sound like the God I know. No offense, if this is your belief, I wish you would have a change of heart.






I know nothing about Mormonism.


That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



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Good to hear, stay away from the non-Trinitarians.

About free will. If what you say is true, there is no love, we are like pets. Robots, no, how can we love God if we can't freely choose to love Him. This is His desire.

You have misinterpreted Scripture. Where does it say that...?

Personal interpretation of Scripture. People will accept
one verse in Scripture ignoring the context of what is said
before and in following verses and ignore other verses in Scripture which disprove their "personal view" of that one verse!
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No, the story behind the chosen design is what I meant here. (read the links)




You posted three links.

Please post the Readers Digest version.


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If you have a link to it, feel free to post it! hf
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I will tell you one thing. She is pretty much a sexual freak.
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hmmm seems you got inside info there AC chuckle

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That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



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Where does it say that...?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825010



To properly understand, one must
read and understand the Bible in
its entirely... but I will highlight
a few examples.


God hardened the heart of Pharaoh.

God arranged for Babylon to conquer
Jerusalem as a punishment for Israel's
disobedience.

When Babylon conquered Jerusalem,
the Edomites destroyed God's temple.
Why did God arrange that ? Because
the Israelites had committed terrible
abominations in the temple by allowing
temple sodomites.

When the Israelites tried to escape
God's punishment [via Babylon] by
fleeing to Egypt, God arranged for
Babylon to conquer Egypt.


God determines who rules the nations.

Isaiah 45 tells us how God raised up Cyrus
and prepared the way for him to conquer Babylon
It was Cyrus who decreed the rebuilding of
God's temple.


... the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will...


Daniel 4


This is why we are to obey our rulers...
because they rule... for good or for ill..
because God wills it.



God chose Jacob over Esau


Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.


Romans 9





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