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"A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?

 
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That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



~


Where does it say that...?





To properly understand, one must
read and understand the Bible in
its entirely... but I will highlight
a few examples.


God hardened the heart of Pharaoh.

God arranged for Babylon to conquer
Jerusalem as a punishment for Israel's
disobedience.

The Edomites destroyed God's temple.
Why did God arrange that that ?
Because the Israelites had committed
abominations in the temple by allowing
temple sodomites.

When the Israelites tried to escape
God's punishment [via Babylon] by
fleeing to Egypt, God arranged for
Babylon to conquer Egypt.


God determines who rules the nations.

Isaiah 45 tells us how God raised up Cyrus
and prepared the way for him to conquer Babylon
It was Cyrus who decreed the rebuilding of
God's temple.


... the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will...


Daniel 4


This is why we are to obey our rulers...
because they rule... for good or for ill..
because God wills it.



God chose Jacob over Esau


Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.



Romans 9





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 Quoting: Dr Doom


Can you not read?


FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

God loves the entire world. Not just Christian Israelites. Jesus sacrifice bought and paid for their redemption.

I am really tired of all the replacement theologians misrepresenting what Jesus said.

Goyim get a shot too. Get over yourself.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



~


Where does it say that...?





To properly understand, one must
read and understand the Bible in
its entirely... but I will highlight
a few examples.


God hardened the heart of Pharaoh.

God arranged for Babylon to conquer
Jerusalem as a punishment for Israel's
disobedience.

The Edomites destroyed God's temple.
Why did God arrange that that ?
Because the Israelites had committed
abominations in the temple by allowing
temple sodomites.

When the Israelites tried to escape
God's punishment [via Babylon] by
fleeing to Egypt, God arranged for
Babylon to conquer Egypt.


God determines who rules the nations.

Isaiah 45 tells us how God raised up Cyrus
and prepared the way for him to conquer Babylon
It was Cyrus who decreed the rebuilding of
God's temple.


... the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will...


Daniel 4


This is why we are to obey our rulers...
because they rule... for good or for ill..
because God wills it.



God chose Jacob over Esau


Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.



Romans 9





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Can you not read?


FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

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Can you not read ?

I have already addressed that.

Jesus Christ said He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of ISRAEL.

Israel was given God's Law... why ?

Because in Israel ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD
were to be blessed... that was Israel's mission.
That is why God chose Israel... that is why God
incarnated Himself to redeem Israel... because
they have a mission from God.



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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Dr. Doom, you are correct, we have to understand the
Bible in it's entirety. If you follow the Church and her
interpretation of Scripture, not one verse in the Bible conflicts with the other. She has the authority to interpret
it, not us. Private interpretation of the Bible is from
Luther, so it's man-made not from God. You are ignoring
some verses in Scripture.

Here are some verses that conflict with your belief that
we have no free will.

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Free Will



"I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live, by loving the LORD, your God, heeding his voice, and holding fast to him." Deuteronomy 30:19-20

Not only is each individual free to choose, he is obliged to choose.



"No one experiencing temptation should say, 'I am being tempted by God'; for God is not subject to temptation to evil, and he himself tempts no one. Rather, each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire." James 1:13-15

This passage cannot make it much more clear. The Protestant position relieves each person of the responsibility of making a choice. But it is obvious that it is not God who tempts us and therefore not God who "makes" our choices for us.



"Because I called and you refused, I extended my hand and no one took notice" Proverbs 1:24

Yes, God calls us but we can refuse. He invites us but does not compel us.



"But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? Of course not!" Galatians 2:17

The Protestant doctrine begins to look more and more like an easy out for those that do not want to accept responsibility for their own salvation.



"Ever since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened." Romans 1:20-21

Paul here warns us that the glory of God is evident to all but not everyone chooses to acknowledge it. Notice that all do have the choice. particularly like the line in the above passage "they became vain in their reasoning". By what reasoning could the Protestant Reformers been using to "invent" their doctrine of "salvation by faith alone?"
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
That God is in complete control of His creation
and God and God alone determines our fate is a
Biblical teaching.



~


Where does it say that...?





To properly understand, one must
read and understand the Bible in
its entirely... but I will highlight
a few examples.


God hardened the heart of Pharaoh.

God arranged for Babylon to conquer
Jerusalem as a punishment for Israel's
disobedience.

The Edomites destroyed God's temple.
Why did God arrange that that ?
Because the Israelites had committed
abominations in the temple by allowing
temple sodomites.

When the Israelites tried to escape
God's punishment [via Babylon] by
fleeing to Egypt, God arranged for
Babylon to conquer Egypt.


God determines who rules the nations.

Isaiah 45 tells us how God raised up Cyrus
and prepared the way for him to conquer Babylon
It was Cyrus who decreed the rebuilding of
God's temple.


... the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men,
and giveth it to whomsoever he will...


Daniel 4


This is why we are to obey our rulers...
because they rule... for good or for ill..
because God wills it.



God chose Jacob over Esau


Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.


For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.



Romans 9





~


Can you not read?


FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM, SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.





Can you not read ?

I have already addressed that.

Jesus Christ said He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of ISRAEL.

Israel was given God's Law... why ?

Because in Israel ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD
were to be blessed... that was Israel's mission.
That is why God chose Israel... that is why God
incarnated Himself to redeem Israel... because
they have a mission from God.



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 Quoting: Dr Doom


No, He did not. You misinterpret scripture because it suits your purpose. God loves the entire world, you only love certain ethnic groups.

You have no love in you, therefore your words are not guided by The Holy Spirit, but your own racism and bias. You are no different than Hitler.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Jesus Christ said He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of ISRAEL.

Israel was given God's Law... why ?

Because in Israel ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD
were to be blessed... that was Israel's mission.
That is why God chose Israel... that is why God
incarnated Himself to redeem Israel... because
they have a mission from God.



~


No, He did not. You misinterpret scripture because it suits your purpose. God loves the entire world, you only love certain ethnic groups.

You have no love in you, therefore your words are not guided by The Holy Spirit, but your own racism and bias. You are no different than Hitler.



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 865218



The entire Bible... from Genesis to Revelation
is about God's relationship with His People,
Israel. Even the gates to New Jerusalem have
the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.

The only time the Bible mentions other races
and peoples is when they interact with Israel.

Whether you like it or not, Israel is God's
Chosen People... chosen from all the other
peoples of the earth.

Yes, that is very racist. God is a racist.


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The Protestant doctrine begins to look more and more like an easy out for those that do not want to accept responsibility for their own salvation.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825010





Only God can save.

You may think you choose from your own free will...
but God has predestined your choice.


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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Revelation
Chapter 6

1 -- The first of the seven seals,
2 -- a white horse, and its rider had a bow. given a crown, and he rode forth victorious to further his victories.

3 -- The second seal,
4 -- a red one. given power to take peace away from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another.

5 -- The third seal, a black horse, and its rider held a scale in his hand.
6 -- It said, "A ration of wheat costs a day's pay, and three rations of barley cost a day's pay.

7 -- The fourth seal,
8 -- a pale green horse. given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and plague, and by means of the beasts of the earth.

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The above four seals have all been opened and it is my belief based on many years of scriptural studies that they will remain active until after Armageddon - Tribulation where the 1st,2nd & 3rd will cease thereafter, but I digress, the fifth seal has been opened on account that GOD puts great emphasis on numbers. On the Enochian calender (Heaven's calender) we have begun the fifth day of the eighth week. In this week the Throne of the Son of man is built in Jerusalem for the great day of Judgement.

This lead me to puzzle this thread and astound those who seek to understand end-time events.

Fifth seal:

9 -- The fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.

10 -- They cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"

11 -- Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been.

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Same happened the first time before GOD came to settle the accounts of sinners -- The first coming.

The Book of Enoch ~ Chapter 9

(1) And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being (2) shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. (3) And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Obtain Justice for us (4) before the Most High."' (5) Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: (6) Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven.

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Remember the second beast.

Revelation 17
8 -- The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world shall be amazed when they see the beast, because it existed once but exists no longer, and yet it will come again.

This beast (second/little horn) the people of the earth will see with those who are left behind will seem to be Azazel who existed once but today exists not, yet it will come up from the abyss headed for destruction. GOD had him bind hand and foot and cast into a dark opening (abyss) in the desert until Judgment day -- destruction. (1Enoch 10:4,5,6)

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Revelation
Chapter 6

12 -- Then I watched while he broke open the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; the sun turned as black as dark sackcloth and the whole moon became like blood.

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The sixth seal is the War of 2012 when the beast (Europe) wages war on the harlot (USA) -- and burns her with fire (nukes). Which leads in acknowledging that the fifth seal has been opened at the beginning of this fifth day of the eighth week on the calender of Enoch.

Thread: 1000 years is like 1 day for GOD -- 2 Peter 3:8 -- this equals to 41.666 <<-- BEWARE OF HIS WRATH

GOD'S calendar -- post #60
[link to eden.7forum.net]

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Revelation
Chapter 6

13 -- The stars in the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs shaken loose from the tree in a strong wind.

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This is the War of heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. (Revelation 12:7,8,9)

The end of the World as we know it approaches at this point because the Little horn has made its appearance. War breaks out in Heaven expelling Satan and his angels forever. These are the great signs and fire that come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone (Rev.13:13) Little horn will say he performed so as to deceive furthermore the inhabitants of the World.

Thread: Revelation 12, EXPLAINED! -- "woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet," -- Who she is, and who is her son!

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Revelation
Chapter 6

14 -- Then the sky was divided like a torn scroll curling up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

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This is at the end of Armageddon when the LORD of hosts loses His patience against the little horn. The second woe.

Ezekiel 38:18,19,20,21

The day Gog attacks the land of Israel -- declares the Lord GOD -- my furious wrath will boil up. In my anger, in my jealousy, in the heat of my fury I say it: That day, I swear, there will be such a huge earthquake in the land of Israel, that the fish in the sea and the birds of heaven, the wild beasts, all the reptiles creeping along the ground, and all people on the surface of the earth will quake before me. Mountains will fall, cliffs crumble, all walls collapse, and I shall summon every kind of sword against him -- declares the Lord GOD -- and each will turn his sword against his comrade.

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Revelation
Chapter 6

15 -- The kings of the earth, the nobles, the military officers, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid themselves in caves and among mountain crags.

16 -- They cried out to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,

17 -- because the great day of their wrath has come and who can withstand it?"

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The third woe begins. Tribulation

Ezekiel 38:22,23

I shall punish him with plague and bloodshed, and rain down torrential rain, hailstones, fire and brimstone on him, on his troops and on the many nations with him. (23) I shall display my greatness and holiness and bring the many nations to acknowledge me; and they will know that I am Tetragrammaton'.

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Seven plagues of Revelation 16

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The Book of Enoch ~ Chapter 1 -- 1,2,3,4,5,6

The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but for the far-off generations which are to come.

Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,

And the eternal GOD will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai, [And appear from His camp] And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

And all shall be smitten with fear And the Watchers shall quake, And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

And the high mountains shall be shaken, And the high hills shall be made low, And shall melt like wax before the flame.

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JESUS IS COMING TO SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD!

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Fifth seal:

9 -- The fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slaughtered because of the witness they bore to the word of God.

10 -- They cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, holy and true master, before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhabitants of the earth?"

11 -- Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were going to be killed as they had been.

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In God's Law a fact is established at the testimony
of two or more witnesses.

The two groups of martyrs mentioned in the fifth seal
are God's two witnesses in Rev 11.

They are those who have been murdered by the antichrists
and give their testimony before the throne of God.

Via their testimony, God's judgment is passed and execution
of the antichrists begins.



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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
the woman is a woman mary mother of a child that became worshiped for his good works and good sense forever. To this statement there is no mystery Dragons are real the dragon is a destroyer but is not satan Dragons have a different purpose. Sometimes they destroy that which is evil. Sometimes they breath fire and destroy all sometimes that fire purifies all and removes all pain from you.
A woman saw a vision of christ flying through a nebula that was causing violent weather on the earth and much destruction. The nebula had intelligence and was being guided by man. :5:


The church is represented in this vision.

Well like I said she is synonomous with padma from the Kalki purana. In that book it mentions her having two sons. I need to find/order a full copy of that book. Perhaps it gives some clues to who this son is.

The seven churches are the first to be addressed in the Book of Revelation, and they are addressed as churches, not women.

'Woman' in the book of Revelation is in reference of cities.

So now you know that the woman is a city, but who is the child?

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Book of Revelation is not arranged in Chronological order. They may never know the original order. As for your analysis of the dragon, it says the dragon swept which is a past tense use of the word sweep which leaves the door wide open regarding our idea of timing and Gods...

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Historically, God has entrusted certain tasks to Israel,
and to individual Jews within that history, but He has made it very clear He comes for all, even though not all will hear Him.
The New Jerusalem I believe to be a spiritual state, another name for God's Kingdom manifested on the planet.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Who is the Woman of Revelation 12 and the Man Child? This is how I came to my conclusions? I asked the Spirit of God to show me Old Testament Foundation Scriptures and Prophecies of the Event called the, "Rapture?" Also, I asked Him to show me some Scriptures in the Book of Revelation that would confirm these Old Testament Prophecies and give me a "Word Picture," of this Event called the Rapture that I was studying. Out of this study I discovered who I perceive the Woman and Man Child to be.


I asked for the Spirit of God to reveal to me Old Covenant Prophecies of Foundation Scriptures for the Woman being Israel and who the Man Child is in Revelation 12?

From my studies, and Comparing Scriptures with other Scriptures, First of all, I perceive the Woman is Israel because Yahweh Married her(Israel) in the Old Testament? After reading and studying I discovered these Scriptures In Isaiah 26 which I believe are Related to the Woman and Man Child of Revelation 12? In Isaiah 26:17 He teaches Us, "Like as a woman with child, draws near to the time of her delivery, is in pain, and cries out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD." (Is the Woman Israel? Yes, many others confirm this!)

Isaiah 26:18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought ANY deliverance in the Earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

Isaiah 26:19 Your Dead men Shall ARISE! Awake and sing, you that DWELL in the DUST, the Earth SHALL CAST OUT The DEAD. Rapture?

Isaiah 26:20 COME, MY PEOPLE, enter into your chambers.... until the TRIBULATION be OVERPAST. COME (H498) The Hebrew word means to depart or go away? Refers to Rapture because of Isaiah 26:19 and 20?

Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity: This verse relates to the Second Advent in Revelation 19?

I do not perceive the Woman being Mary or the Man Child being the Birth of Christ. However, I do believe that through Mary, Israel brought forth The Christ or Messiah, and Now Includes the Body of Christ, which is the Church (Ephesians 5; Galatians 3:27-29) which has been being formed over the past 2000 years (Lunar Years)?

This Man Child is described in 1 Corinthians 12; Ephesians 4; Ephesians 5;Galatians 3:27-29; whose Head is Christ with many Members, Parts or Denominations?

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Galatians 3:27-29 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Recently, I have discovered some additional concepts and revelations about how the Man Child of Revelation 12 and the Overcomers of Revelation 2:25-27 are Related and may be the Body of Christ! Also, Comparing Scriptures with Scriptures I believe I have made some important connections between my Foundation Scriptures for the Rapture in Isaiah 26:17-21 and Revelation 12!

Also, Revelation 12:5 & Revelation 2:26-27 Reveal and Define How the Man Child and the Overcomers Are Related, thru the Words Nations, Rule, Rod of Iron, Man Child & Overcomers? Also, in Revelation 12:3 there are No Crowns on the 10 Horns? In Revelation 13:1 Crowns are on the Horns? Something Very Important happens in Revelation 12?

After reading several Chapters, in Revelation, I came to Chapter 12 and as I read Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a Man Child, who was to rule all Nations with a rod of iron: and her child was "Caught Up," unto God, and to His throne," I remembered I had read something about a Promise to the Over comers in Revelation 2:26-27 "And he that Overcomes and Does my Works unto the End, to him will I give Power over the Nations: And he shall Rule them with a Rod of Iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: EVEN as I Received of My Father." This is when I perceived this "Man Child, "could be the Body of Christ?

Additionally, I decided to look up some definitions of Greek words. I perceive the Catching Away of the Body of Christ in Revelation 12:5, because of the definitions of the Greek words! The word "Child," means a SON, used to Describe those who are Born Again (Luke 20:36), of angels, of those whom God esteems as sons, those who revere God as their Father and Sons and Daughters who Resemble God in Life and Character! All of these concepts relate to Members of the Body of Christ? These verses prove this "Man Child" could be the Body of Christ and will be "Caught Up," To God's Throne, Before the Remnant of Israel is Protected, for 42 Months? The Overcomers are the Man Child and the Members Body of Christ?

Therefore, One place I can perceive some type of "Catching Away, of the Body of Christ happening is in Revelation 12:1-12 because Revelation 12:5 & Revelation 2:26-27 Reveal and Define How the Man Child and the Overcomers Are Related, thru the Words Nations, Rule, Rod of Iron, Man Child & Overcomers? Also, in Revelation 12:3 there are No Crowns on the 10 Horns? In Revelation 13:1 Crowns are on the Horns? Something Very Important happens in Revelation 12?



THus, The Woman and Manchild are Metaphors for the Nation of Israel and the Body of Christ. Jesus Promised Us the Spirit of Truth would Guide Us into ALL Truth? One of my Teachers taught Us that Yahweh has, "No Idle," Words in the Scriptures. He has hidden the answers to All that pertains to Life and Godliness and I have discovered that when I ask Him questions about the Topics I am studying He is Faithful to Guide me into the Truth of the Subjects! These are not absolute revelations. I always practice submitting my revelations from Scripture and Word Studies to my Pastor, other Elders in the Body of Christ and my close Brothers and Sisters. ;-)

Thank You! For Mediating on this Research.

We Are Very, Very Blessed!

Abba Father and Precious Jesus Not Only Love You, But, They Are, "In Love, With You!" Very Much!" My Pastor Heard This on a Prayer Walk One Day While Praying ***And I Really Care About You and Love You Too! ;-)

GrandDaddy Really Loves You!
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In Contrast, In my studies, I have noticed that some specifically teach because the Woman is Israel the Man Child is Hebrew and must be the 144,000 Servants of God of Revelation 7 and 14, and, Cannot be the Members of the Body of Christ, because it is made up of Mainly Gentiles?

However, as soon as I read that statement the Words came to my mind, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are All ONE in Christ Jesus."


Also, some teach this Prophecy is related to the Man Child of Revelation 12 and the 144,000;

Isaiah 66:7 "BEFORE she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a Man Child;"


However, this Prophecy in Isaiah teaches that BEFORE Zion Travailed, she brought forth Children? The Man Child in Revelation 12 comes AFTER Travail and Much Pain? Revelation 12:2 "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."

Several do teach the Prophecy of Isaiah 66 relates to the Birth of Israel as a Nation on NOvember 29, 1947 when the commandment went forth, or May 14, 1948 when Israel declared itself a Nation?


Isaiah 66:8-9 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.


Therefore, please mediate on these revelations and see what the Spirit of Yahweh reveals to you? ;-)



Thank You! For Mediating on this Research.

We Are Very, Very Blessed!


Saved or Delivered Means to be:
Rescued from the Penalty of All my sins!
Forgiven of All my sins!
Cleansed from All my sins!
By the Precious Blood of Jesus!
Made Completely Whole!
By the Power of the Comforter who is the Holy Spirit!
Promised the Gift of Eternal Life!
And Promised a Home in Heaven!


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I just registered and I figured out why it revealed me as anonymomus because my Nic was to long... ;-)



Hmmmm…… I just noticed that these Scriptures, in Isaiah 66:7-9, teach that the Woman is named ZION? Who is….?
The City of Jerusalem and by extension, the Biblical Land of Israel, named after the Sons of Israel, whose father is Jacob?


Zion (Hebrew: transliterated Zion or Sion) is a term that most often refers to Jerusalem and by extension, the Biblical land of Israel. The word is found in texts dating back almost three millennia. It commonly referred to a specific mountain near Jerusalem (Mount Zion), on which stood a Jebusite fortress of the same name that was conquered by David and was named the City of David.

Hallelujah! Praise Yahweh! I Love it when I discover something I never perceived before and that Confirms my Initial perceptions of an interpretation of Scriptures!


Therefore, please mediate on these revelations and see what the Spirit of Yahweh reveals to you? ;-)



We Are Very, Very Blessed!

Abba Father and Precious Jesus Not Only Love You, But, They Are, "In Love, With You!" Very Much!" My Pastor Heard This on a Prayer Walk One Day While Praying ***And I Really Care About You and Love You Too! ;-)

GrandDaddy Really Loves You!


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Wow, Battle of the Bible Thumpers!!!!
How did I miss this?
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ok look guys....this is all very simple. The folks who were describing these visions explained them the best way ( or maybe the most lavish way for a good story) they could.

It seems rather clear to me that the woman is some sort of large astrological body. The son being birthed is probably a large asteroid or something to that nature that comes hurtling down to earth.

Everyone hid in caves?? well duh...theres fire in the sky causing massive crop failures and extreme weather.

nation fighting nation? resourses become incredibly thin.

the moon turns to blood? it would stand to reason that if our earth were about to impact by a large asteroid (made entirely of almost iron) that the dust would shroud the moon causing it to look red

massive earthquakes? doesnt take a genius to realize that another large massed body near our earth would cause some issues with our geomagnetic field.


There are very logical, reality based explanation for what the ancient scribes wrote.

This is what I do know for sure: If you try to explain and rationalize everything through your faith and not with a combination of faith, logic, and accepted fact, you will surely perish regardless of how much you believe or pray.
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Get your heads outta your asses.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Clothed with the sun meaning she came from heaven; the moon was under her feet.
12 stars?
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three days hense, find her there.
it has been written.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Our Lady of Guadelupe - and her son Jesus!

Our Lady of Guadalupe (Spanish: Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe), also known as the Virgin of Guadalupe (Spanish: Virgen de Guadalupe; Nahuatl: Tonantzin Guadalupe) is a celebrated Catholic icon of the Virgin Mary.

According to tradition, Juan Diego, a simple indigenous peasant, saw a vision of a young woman on December 9, 1531, while he was on the hill of Tepeyac near Mexico City, Mexico. He told the local bishop, who asked for some proof. Three days later, according to legend, the image of Mary appeared miraculously on his cloak when he was showing it to the bishop. Today the icon is displayed in the Basilica of Guadalupe nearby, one of the most visited Catholic shrines in the world.[1] The Virgin of Guadalupe is Mexico's most popular religious and cultural image, with the titles "Queen of Mexico",[2] "Empress of the Americas",[3] and "Patroness of the Americas";[4] both Miguel Hidalgo (in the Mexican War of Independence) and Emiliano Zapata (during the Mexican Revolution) carried flags bearing the Our Lady of Guadalupe, and Guadalupe Victoria, the first Mexican president changed his name in honor of the icon.
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Easy:
The woman is Mary ,her son is Jesus.
The twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel.
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[link to www.oldandsold.com]

A woman clothed with the sun, having the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." Hence the radiance of the sun above her head, and the crescent moon beneath her feet. From inevitable association the crescent moon suggests the idea of the perpetual chastity

she has the crown of twelve stars, the allusion is to the text of the Apocalypse already quoted, and the number of stars is in allusion to the number of the Apostles.'
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Wait the woman could be Israel and the twelve stars the twelve aposteles, you see I am non advanced.
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Re: "A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." -- Who is she, and who is her son?
Revelation cliff notes for dumbtards

woman = city and church*
statue of liberty, new york,

eagle= u.s.

wilderness = u.s.

after the war on the saints in europe, the true church fled to the wilderness (us); the devil continued to make war by flooding the US with apostate churches
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The woman is Mary and Here Son is Jesus
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This is my theory for the moment:
The Woman is Israel-Mary.
Her son is Jesus-Messiah.
The twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel-apostles.
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The woman is Israel, her son is Jesus.
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You may think you choose from your own free will...but God has predestined your choice.
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COMPLETE AND UTTER bsflag
If it walks like a duck...
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Revelation 12
5 -- She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

Who is she, and who is her son?

Come one come all...

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Yhe woman Is God's messianic kingdom the twelve sytars represent 12 thrones where each throne has twelve thousand kings or the 144,000 kings and priests.

The child is Jesus after he has been resurrected. To heavenly glory to become the King of the Kingdom.


The Israel talked about by many is spiritual israel which is the christian congregation on earth. The temple that is rebuilt is spiritual not physical.
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You're totally OFF in linking THE CREATOR to the 'lord' that's written about in 'Revelation.'

The TRUE CREATOR Almighty God does NOT DESTROY HIS CREATION, or HIS CHILDREN.

The Beast destroys its own children (SEED) and as many of Almighty God THE CREATOR'S Children as it can at any one time.

That is why ALL RELIGIONS are concerned with worthiness, sacrifice, and suffering, all leading to leaving the planet to achieve PEACE.

TRUE PEACE comes from THE CREATOR. No one else. No false "son of 'god'" or any other person on the planet.

The "woman" is the Harlot, the Goddess Isis, Astarte, Diana, etc., which is THE BASIS for pagan idolatry since the beginning of time... dressed up since about 100 a.d. as the 'christian' church and "her son" with the "rod of iron" would be that phony, made-up creation known as 'jesus christ.' Just another form of Pagan Idolatry.

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CREATOR. DO YOU REALLY THINK HE NEEDS HELP AND ASSISTANCE?! hf
If it walks like a duck...
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Okay, fine, but who is the child?

"the man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron" is also ref in the Psalm 2(I didn't post the entire Psalm for sake of space)

 Quoting: mathetes


These are not people or a church, they are planets. The ancients deferred everything to the planets and so they referred to them in their writings. That is what's meant by the symbolism in the Bible.

"The red dragon has seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems" ... This is Planet X, which is also referred to as The Lord because when he passes by the earth, all hell breaks loose. The heads/horns are the moons of Planet X. Solar dust and other cosmic debris makes up its tail. Planet X, also known as a brown dwarf, is also red in color but cannot be seen until it gets between the sun and the earth.

"The man child that rules the earth with a rod of iron" ... is because it has a magnetic core similar to earth's but being so much larger than earth, earth's core is the metal filings to Planet X's magnet.

So ... I would venture to guess that the sun is the mother and earth is the child.

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