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Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?

 
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Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
If so how can american newspapers ignore this news?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

US credit shrinks at Great Depression rate prompting fears of double-dip recession
Both bank credit and the M3 money supply in the United States have been contracting at rates comparable to the onset of the Great Depression since early summer, raising fears of a double-dip recession in 2010 and a slide into debt-deflation.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Published: 11:59PM BST 14 Sep 2009

Professor Tim Congdon from International Monetary Research said US bank loans have fallen at an annual pace of almost 14pc in the three months to August (from $7,147bn to $6,886bn).

"There has been nothing like this in the USA since the 1930s," he said. "The rapid destruction of money balances is madness."

The M3 "broad" money supply, watched as an early warning signal for the economy a year or so later, has been falling at a 5pc annual rate.

Similar concerns have been raised by David Rosenberg, chief strategist at Gluskin Sheff, who said that over the four weeks up to August 24, bank credit shrank at an "epic" 9pc annual pace, the M2 money supply shrank at 12.2pc and M1 shrank at 6.5pc.

"For the first time in the post-WW2 [Second World War] era, we have deflation in credit, wages and rents and, from our lens, this is a toxic brew," he said.

It is unclear why the US Federal Reserve has allowed this to occur.

Chairman Ben Bernanke is an expert on the "credit channel" causes of depressions and has given eloquent speeches about the risks of deflation in the past.

He is not a monetary economist, however, and there are indications that the Fed has had to pare back its policy of quantitative easing (buying bonds) in order to reassure China and other foreign creditors that the US is not trying to devalue its debts by stealth monetisation.

Mr Congdon said a key reason for credit contraction is pressure on banks to raise their capital ratios. While this is well-advised in boom times, it makes matters worse in a downturn.

"The current drive to make banks less leveraged and safer is having the perverse consequence of destroying money balances," he said. "It strengthens the deflationary forces in the world economy. That increases the risks of a double-dip recession in 2010."

Referring to the debt-purge policy of US Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon in the early 1930s, he added: "The pressure on banks to de-risk and to de-leverage is the modern version of liquidationism: it is potentially just as dangerous."

US banks are cutting lending by around 1pc a month. A similar process is occurring in the eurozone, where private sector credit has been contracting and M3 has been flat for almost a year.

Mr Congdon said IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn is wrong to argue that the history of financial crises shows that "speedy recovery" depends on "cleansing banks' balance sheets of toxic assets". "The message of all financial crises is that policy-makers' priority must be to stop the quantity of money falling and, ideally, to get it rising again," he said.

He predicted that the Federal Reserve and other central banks will be forced to engage in outright monetisation of government debt by next year, whatever they say now.
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Re: Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
I would not say it was completly ignored look here:

[link to finance.yahoo.com]


U.S. Postponed the Great Depression, Not Prevented It, Says Trend Forecaster Celente
Posted Jan 11, 2010 08:00am EST by Peter Gorenstein in Recession, Banking
Related: AIG, ^GSPC, C, FRE, FNM, MTLQQ.PK, ^DJI
A week into the New Year, the consensus among the Wall Street "experts" is the economy and the financial markets will continue to improve in 2010. Unlike last year, when we entered January with so much uncertainty, today pretty much everyone agrees the worst is behind us.

Gerald Celente does not agree.

Celente, the director of the Trends Research Institute, who's been tracking trends for 30 years, thinks 2010 brings with it the Great Depression we narrowly avoided last year. Celente's been making this prediction for several years, and as we know was nearly proved right.

Extraordinary government intervention helped prove him wrong, something he didn't anticipate. "We never thought we'd be buying companies like AIG, we never thought we'd own parts of General Motors," he tells Aaron in the accompanying clip. "The government's never done these things before."

Celente believes the bailouts have just postponed a depression -- not prevented one: "The hand may change but the game doesn't change."

Celente says the recent signs of economic recovery are nothing more than a boost based on "a stimulus economy." Once those measures are pulled back and interest rates rise, the economy will once again tank.

It's not all gloom and doom. Eventually, Celente predicts, American ingenuity and innovation will drive a recovery. It's a topic we discuss more in a forthcoming clip.


check out the video as it goes into more detail
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Re: Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
It all started as a dream and seems to be waking up ever so
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Re: Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
More detail - [link to www.youtube.com] Come & get it!
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This quote in the article is disturbing:
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"The current drive to make banks less leveraged and safer is having the perverse consequence of destroying money balances," he said. "It strengthens the deflationary forces in the world economy. That increases the risks of a double-dip recession in 2010."
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Re: Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
If so how can american newspapers ignore this news?
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It's kind of like reading your own obituary in a foreign newspaper. Denial is all you've got.
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Re: Proof of second great depression in foreign newspapers?
This is just like the depression.
The stock market crash was just the beginning then came FDR's horrible socialist policies.
The same policies that keep us enslaved 80 years latter.
What kind of polices does Obama plan to put the jacketboot of government further in our backs?





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