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Sorcha Faal: Another Harbinger of Truth Attacked By The Powers That Be

 
Critical Thinker
04/08/2005 05:31 PM
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Harbinger: One that indicates or foreshadows what is to come; a forerunner.

I am posting here the reply I made to a previous thread about Sorcha Faal.

What I find most interesting about Sorcha Faal are the reasons she generates so much hatred in some people, and attacks against her like the one on the Rense website.

Out of the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of websites, and organizations, and belief systems, WHY has Sorcha Faal been ´singled´ out?

Who´s toes are she stepping on? What is she saying that is SO important to discredit?

Here are my comments I made to the other thread:

Re: Sorcha Faal BUSTED on Rense.Com!

"And we haven´t seen hide nor hair of Critical Thinker"

Sorry about that mate, I must be slipping (the meds you know)this is the first I´ve seen this thread and the information it contains.

"Sister Lucia and the Pope never charged"

You´ve got to be joking! Not only have they both written books (and yes, the kind you have to pay money for) but they both have made for their Orders a lot of money too.

"Sister Lucia Writes Book on Fatima Revelations - 5 December 2001 - Madrid, Spain (ZENIT.org)
Sister Lucia, the only surviving Fatima visionary, has just published a book to respond to numerous questions and concerns about the Blessed Virgin Mary´s secret.

The 354-page book, entitled "Appeals of the Fatima Message," was published in Portuguese and Spanish by Planeta+Testimonio. An English edition is planned."
[link to www.catholicforum.com]

MADRID, Spain, DEC. 5, 2001 (Zenit.org).- Sister Lucia, the only surviving Fatima visionary, has just published a book to respond to numerous questions and concerns about the Blessed Virgin Mary´s secret.

The 354-page book, entitled "Appeals of the Fatima Message," was published in Portuguese and Spanish by Planeta+Testimonio. An English edition is planned.
[link to www.unitypublishing.com]
ook.html

Pope John Paul II Books
[link to catalog.americancatholic.org]
?prodid=T6576&pcat=73

The Way to Christ : Spiritual Exercises by Pope John Paul II
Memory and Identity : Conversations at the Dawn of a Millennium by Pope John Paul II
Rise, Let Us Be On Our Way by Pope John Paul II
Witness to Hope: The Biography of Pope John Paul II by George Weigel
Crossing the Threshold of Hope by Pope John Paul II
The Poetry of Pope John Paul II by Pope John Paul II
[link to www.amazon.com]
/0517220849/102-0008936-8452955?v=glance


"It will be interesting to hear what, if anything, Critical Thinker(!) has to say about all this."

Ok, here´s what I think:

First of all, I´m on Sorcha Faal´s subscriber list, which isn´t a big deal as anyone who sends an email to her can get on it. And it doesn´t cost anything.

Every so often they send out solicitations for donations. I´ve personally never donated to them but I´m not adverse to doing it either.

Also, in the past few weeks I´ve recieved emails soliciting donations from me from: Amnesty International, Greenpeace and Doctors Without Borders.

Point being, does an organization discredit itself by asking for donations? I don´t think so....otherwise you´d better be prepared to condemn every Christian Church in history.

I really like the title of this thread too,´Busted´? Be real! No facts, no evidence of anything other that what millions of churches, charity organizations and even websites do....even here at good ole GLP.

Anyone remember how every month Elaine asked for donations? (GLP I have given to in the past.)

There are thousands of websites that solicite for donations to keep their information and issues flowing.

So, this is bad because....????

As to her books I´d just say that anyone ordering one of them has nothing to complain about.

On the Russians website, on the About page, it plainly says"

"Books and publications offered for sale on our websites are primarily directed towards those of our groups and may not be understandable to the general public..."
[link to www.whatdoesitmean.com]

Wow! What a great ´sales pitch´, NOT! I´d liken it to someone going to a university bookstore and buying a textbook on physics and then trying to make sense of it. It isn´t going to happen...no matter how hard you try.

So once you realize this you then bash the author because you don´t understand it? That doesn´t make any sense, and particularly in the case of Sorcha Faal where they had allready warned others outside of their ´group´ about ordering their books.

With all of this said it´s really odd that a site like Rense´s would even post something like this. I mean, it´s not as if he posts her reports...I haven´t found one he´s posted.

So why this post? Why now? Who´s the Russian pissing off?

To me those are the important questions.

This thread? Like so many others, start attacking the messenger with lies, repeated lies, to distract people from the message.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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That´s the problem, acritical, there is no discernible message.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Ah, and there is no Russian nun, of course.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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WHY has Sorcha Faal been ´singled´ out?


easy. she/it uses the same ploy as all the other psyops. 95% that is used to grease the 5% lie so it can masquarade as the truth and eventually be accepted as such.

there are tens of thousands of examples of this. the media, ross perot, bill cooper etc.

i just wonder why you are so OCD about her/it. it´s almost like...well i won´t play the same game.

it is time to start thinking critically for yourself and stop lining up to be sheared. there are no leaders that aren´t part of the dialectic so become your own leader - don´t rely on man.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Don´t think that the fake russian was "singled out"; it was only the fanatic persistence of the like of this acritical and of pravda´s classico (are they different?) that made a case of this nut.
Whose time is almost over, didn´t you notice how fast the Sorcha threads are sinking?
SHR
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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I think she piised off the guy that paid for "Her" book and it was just a bunch of her articles reprinted and bound with a cheap plastic spiral.

>>>>I purchased a "book" called "Vanya´s Journey", which took 3 months to arrive. I expected it to be a fiction/about a woman´s spiritual journey, instead it was a hand/plastic spiral bound "manual" containing only a collection of articles that are posted on the website. Really disappointing.<<<<

Which is why I said before that maybe she doesn´t write her books, in the classical sense. I gotta go blaze some material, maybe I´ll be back later. But I´ll leave with this. She´s a doom spewing profiteer, if "She" exists at all. Not any great bastion or harbinger of any truths by a long shot. I´d bet that new guerilla economy book is all re-hash and reprints, it should at least say as compiled by or similar if she wanted to be honest and truthfull.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Vanya is a male name.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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I guess because like David Booth,Sorcha Faal is a plagerist.
Nothing he/she presents is new and it can be found all over the net on websites like the aforementioned rense site
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"I purchased a "book" called "Vanya´s Journey"

And again SHR, misinformation and deceptions and outright lies.

A friend of mine in Germany did purchase this book, and the reason is because he´s ´steeped´ in Gnostic language structure. Anyway, what that poster DIDN´T post was what the book says about itself, and I quote:

"Archetypes in the Consonants, Sound Symbolism, Phonosemantics, Phonetic Symbolism, Mimologics, Iconism, Cratylus, Ideophones and Synaesthesia."

I´d bet you there are only one in a thousand people that have any idea what this means, and you aren´t one of them.
Pointman
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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As I understand it, the suspicion arose because Sorcha Faal was offering to sell the "dying" David Booth´s "last words" for 74 US dollars.

The website on which Sorcha publishes her newsletters was "donated" to her by Rachel Booth, David Booth´s daughter. Hence the relationship with the Booth family.

Rense published because he had been publicly lied to by David Booth on his radio show at the beginning of 2004 and later on in the year. David Booth not only made two astonishing failsafe predictions that never transpired, he also published a book ("The Coming Destruction of America 2004") that was later shown to have massively plagiarized the work of a Gnostic writer, Stansfield Amitakh.

Booth had simply copied her work, word for word, off of the internet and included it in his book, for which he charged handsomely. Ms. Amitakh was furious and demanded withdrawal of the book. Rense confronted Booth with these accusations in his last and final interview and Booth lied without apology, saying he had no rational explanation for how the author´s work found its way into his book! He also lied about having met Sister Lucia, the Catholic nun at the centre of the Fatima Prophecy. Rense told him that he would never interview him again and (quite rightly) threw him off the program.

Booth, discredited, announced his retirement. Ah, but not quite! He couldn´t resist yet another dire warning to the world. When C2C turned down his request, he announced on another radio show that the world would end on October 13, 2004. Then he informed listeners that he would never speak in public again.

Along came Sorcha Faal, a "Gnostic Christian" occultist allegedly trained at the "Russian Academy of Sciences", making the kind of predictions David Booth used to postulate, but with a very heavy anti-American "ancient wisdom" slant. She even provides a photograph of herself at DB´s old website.

The fact is, Sorcha Faal is unknown within Russia and her credentials simply do not check out. The suspicion is that Sorcha Faal is a complete fiction and the pen name of the real Sorcha: Rachel Booth aka David Booth.

I rest my case.
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Previous postings to I´ve made to the other thread:

"Last I checked no Christian book and very few text books cost $73.95. That is price gouging to the worst degree."

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind The Angel is DUH!...don´t buy it.

The second thing is that you have no idea, or understanding, in how these Gnositc types value what they write.

Here´s a "clue":

The mystery schools of initiation specialize in impressing upon every part of our being - physical, mental and spiritual - the various stages of our soul´s evolution. The aim of their initiations is to bring the candidate to compassion through knowledge, to teach him to cultivate within himself the latent faculties of spiritual sight. The initiations enable the candidate to chart his progress as an aspirant to the higher life. In the final degrees, he attains the divine knowledge of Gnosis and thereby comes to the realization of his oneness with all that lives and moves, which puts him in full and perfect attunement with the infinite. Initiation is indeed equivalent to a spiritual maturing, or a rite that makes, for a time, the spiritual tangible.

Within this site are the major Initiatic Orders as represented by and most commoly affiliated within the web of Gnosticism and the Gnostic Church. There are others, but these are at the core.

A quote from Louis-Claude de Saint Martin on Initiation:

"The only initiation which I profess and for which I fervently search with my whole Soul is that by which we may enter into the heart of God and cause the heart of God to enter into us, thereby establishing an indissoluble marriage making us the friend, the brother and the spouse of our divine Redeemer.

"There is no other mystery to arriving at this holy initiation than to dive deeper into the depths our own being, and not to let go until we can manage to dig up the living and life-giving root; because all the fruits which we should bear, according to our kind, are produced naturally within, just as we see with the trees on the earth adhering to their particular roots, unceasingly pumping forth their sap."

A further note on "Rites of Initiation":

"The harder we have to struggle for something, the more precious it becomes. Somehow, in sacrificing, we prove to ourselves that what we´re seeking is valuable. This holds true when we´re pursuing membership.

Sacrifice locks commitment. As people strive to make it through rigorous selection standards, and work to prove their worthiness, they persuade themselves that being a part of the group matters.

Initiation rites - like high walls and narrow gates of entry - build commitment to the group through making acceptance hard to come by. Being allowed to join becomes something special. An achievement. A privilege. And it creates a sense of exclusiveness.

Belonging doesn´t count much if almost anybody can drift in or drift out of your group at will. If it´s easy to join up, then leave and return, only to leave again, commitment can be hard to find.

Initiation rites also create a common bond of experience that unites all who make it through the ordeal. A strong sense of "we-ness" comes from having gone through a common struggle. This identification with the group feeds commitment.

Finally, stiff criteria for admission cause the weak-hearted to de­select themselves. They opt out after weighing the costs. For them, the rights of membership aren´t worth going through the rites of Initiation. The benefit? People with low commitment never get inside.

The greater the personal investment in getting accepted, the more one builds a stake in the organization. This means you should make membership a big deal. Let people pay a price to join. That guarantees commitment at the outset, and also makes it easier to build commitment later on.

Make membership hard to come by, and commitment comes naturally. "

You don´t have to like, or agree, with this The Angel, but it´s how these Gnostic types have always been.

I don´t think either that they even care what others think of them.
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"I told you that fucking B**ch was a fraud for months."

And your evidence is what? And your facts are what? And your proof is what?

You want to know if someone is telling the truth in the world today? Want to know how to tell? Really tell?

Look at who and how they are attacked. Look at the foul words they use. Look at the lies they tell without evidence or truth. But most of all, Look at their motives.

Before December, 2004 NO ONE had ever heard the name Sorcha Faal.

Now, here we are, 4 short months later, and look at how much hatred and fear is generated by just the mentioning of her name.

Where are the ´critical´ questions being asked?

Where are the facts, evidence or proof being examined?

No where, that´s where. Why? Because the Russian can´t be attacked in that area. Where to attack her then?

Lies, lies and more lies. Just spread them around enough and soon enough they become the truth.

Sad, to be sure, but it´s the way the world works when it comes to those who dare tell the truth.
DrPostman
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"Out of the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of websites, and organizations, and belief systems, WHY has Sorcha Faal been ´singled´ out?"


What proof do you have that SF has been singled
out? I see lots of frauds being exposed. SF
is just one of the many. Of course, you WANT
to believe the SF is being persecuted so that
you can justify your claims.

This same crap was and still is said about Nancy.




end and always will be
Morning Mists
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Sorcha Faal = bsflag
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"What proof do you have that SF has been singled
out? I see lots of frauds being exposed."

As always Dr. Postman you´re long on words and short of facts and knowledge.

Proof that Sorcha Faal´s been ´singled´ out?

The posting on Rense.com. Rense has one of the most popular alternative news sites on the Interent.

His ranking right now out of 8 billion websites is 3,980. ( [link to www.alexa.com]

That´s ´power´ no matter how you look at it.

So, the question is why? Why any posting on the Russian at all?

And even to the posting itself, it doesn´t really say anything except the comments of one person.

No facts, no evidence, just words.

So, and again, why?

The simple reason is because he knew that the detractors of the Russian would ´run´ with this posting to ridecule her. And remember, no facts or evidence...but then again, the Yanks don´t bother with stuff like that anymore do they?

What was that reason again that the US invaded Iraq?
HL Shancken
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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to depose a genocidal regime. what have you done lately?
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"to depose a genocidal regime. what have you done lately?"

I´m not sure if you meant this statement of yours HL Shancken, but that´s an excellent comment.

Under the American constitution it is the responsibility of each and every single American citizen to insure that they´re government is abiding by the law, even international law.

In the London Times this past Sunday there was a great article by a French lawyer who´s practice is EU crime cases.

Anyway, his ´position´ is that the American people themselves can be held liable for the actions of their government.

He goes further and predicts that after the next war, and ´if´ America is defeated, their ´ordinary´ citizens can be tried for America´s war crimes also.

Interesting, to say the least.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"Anyway, what that poster DIDN´T post was what the book says about itself, and I quote:

"Archetypes in the Consonants, Sound Symbolism, Phonosemantics, Phonetic Symbolism, Mimologics, Iconism, Cratylus, Ideophones and Synaesthesia."

I´d bet you there are only one in a thousand people that have any idea what this means, and you aren´t one of them."

Language is something of a speciality of mine, and I understand the meanings of those words. It looks to me like a severe case of "buzzword-itis" though, since there isn´t a single, coherent meaning running through them.

In other words, any book describing itself in that way is almost certainly complete and utter nonsense.

Why do you post with a name like "Critical Thinker" if you´re completely incapable of any kind of real critical thinking or any willingness to question your sources? Is it meant to be ironic?
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"In other words, any book describing itself in that way is almost certainly complete and utter nonsense."

You´ve got to be joking mate! Besides, they aren´t even ´books´ but rather Study Guides....and as always, you haven´t even gone to the Russians website to even find this out for yourself.

[link to whatdoesitmean.com]

Why do you think they call them lessons in the first place?

Also, your comments are just words and you´ve offerd no one here any evidence, facts or proof to back you up.

Typical of your kind.
Critical Thinker
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"Language is something of a speciality of mine..."

It is? I´ll bet you right now that you´re not able to post here within one hour the definitions of all of these words.

To everyone else reading this? Just watch, if the poster of this comment even comes back, which he/she won´t, you can bet every last dollar you have that it won´t be a posting backing up what they said.
Cunning Linguist
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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"It is? I´ll bet you right now that you´re not able to post here within one hour the definitions of all of these words."

What would be the point? Anybody could look them up on Google and post definitions in a few minutes. If I posted my own interpretations you´d just claim I found them on the net.

Why don´t you post your definitions, and I´ll tell you if you´ve got them right (no cheating by looking them up).

You´re obviously not willing to believe that I could actually be interested in language, and although I´m not employed in that field (very few people are) I´ve spent a great deal of my time studying the development of languages. It may seem an odd hobby to some, but it´s a fascinating field.

And I still contend that there´s very little connection between those different words in your quoted "description", whether it´s a book or a study guide or whatever. It looks like just another way to get gullible people to part with their money by stringing together a series of catchy sounding words.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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i talk to a lot of brits and read many more, and not many of them have any critical thinking skills whatsoever. "critical thinker", the poster here, is typical of them. if 239 he had a brain, he´d be dangerous.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Well, I´m a great Anglophile...but even I have to admit that England isn´t what she used to be, not by a long shot.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Well, I´m a great Anglophile...but even I have to admit that England isn´t what she used to be, not by a long shot.
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i used to love the british sense of humor, but not anymore. they´re simply too stupid and cynical to produce good comedy these days. most of them are intolerable.
Dr P
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Things go in cycles. Don´t count the English out yet. Perhaps what they need to bring them around is another Hitler...
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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i´m almost to the point of writing them off.
Anonymous Coward
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Why do women love scum (bad boys)?

Talk about brain washed.
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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I fear there are very few critical thinkers anywhere.

My definition of a critical thinker is one who questions things that support his world view with more rigor than things that don´t.

I think the most energetic questioners of Sorcha Faal should be the ones who agree with her.
idol harobed
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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tpflushrocketwhatever
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Why, DogFishHead, are we discussing Sucha Fool´s fantasies as if they deserved serious attention? We might as well be soberly discussing the historicity of the Mother Goose Tales!
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12/08/2005 10:06 AM
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Rense is NOT "The Powers that Be"... far from it...1rof1





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