Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,608 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 858,757
Pageviews Today: 1,061,828Threads Today: 175Posts Today: 3,781
08:33 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS

 
wtng2fish
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Dr. P. and Maggot, breaktime is over so quit slacking off and get back to BS´ing, denying, and oh yes, insulting.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Wtng2fish, not even you could be this stupid. I take it you think this is funny. It could be...if it weren´t so overdone.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Boy, if I had a nickel for every cock Ive sucked...
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
And I bet you,ve sucked a few Dr P.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
i´m dr. P short and stout.
here is my anus
here is my snout.
when you roll me over, i will shout
fuck my in the asshole!
ouch ouch ouch!
band
Octo
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
1rof1(too drunk to write)
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
fish do you accept that article as the gospel truth with NO question at all?

Seriously, it´s interesting stuff, but I would really like to think that you would investigate and verify something like that with as much rigor as you would investigate something that was contrary to your beliefs. Can you guarantee you do?

Anyway, he also has this page:

[link to www.doewatch.com]

It appears he is an electrical engineer, studied electrical engineering at the University of Tennessee with his thesis being in core reactor refueling electronics for breeder reactors.

It appears he worked at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee. He claims that he developed the concept of ´air pharmacology´ which seems to be another world for chemtrails. He also calls it ´scattering and geoengineering´

Interesting. He is a self-proclaimed whistle blower.

Okay dude, I have seen your side of this particular issue. Guess what? Not time yet for an opinion. Know why? As an OBJECTIVE investigator, my next task is to find any rebuttals to his claims. It may take a while longer for that.

I will then read the rebuttals to his claims, and then form an informed, objective opinion about them.

I just can´t in good conscience just accept what he says just because he says it. There is always two sides to every story. Let´s see if his stands up to non ideologically biased scrutiny.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
(too drunk to write)

I´m joining you octo.
Octo
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Here´s to us 6679(not that I need any)cheers



and to wtng2fish too. He deserves it
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
what about me? i wrote the Dr P song!
birthday
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"and to wtng2fish too. He deserves it"

He certainly does, a real trooper.beer2
curious?
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Absolutely gorgeous today in Central Ohio. Not a CONtrail or chem-puff to be found.u2efine
Octo
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Yes you too 14814 and curious, and all of us who see stuff that are completely normal and naturalanon


Here´s to you allcheers
curious?
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
stoner
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Okay, so far in my investigation I am having issues with what Phelps actually did at Oak Ridge. Most of my information seems to lean toward he was basically a clean up person, and wasn´t in charge of much at all.

His claim to have ´invented chemtrails´ is suspect. To be honest he almost seems like another IDW. I´m beginning to doubt his credentials and authority for what he is saying.

It seems as well that Phelps has his hand in all sorts of conspiracy issues, not just chemtrails. He also seems to be a little racist, but that´s just my opinion. It my not have any bearing on anything.

Yea, I know, preliminary. And I am in over my head as far as the subject matter is concerned. But I know people who aren´t. To be continued...
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Oh my. Here is what one person I know said about Phelps:

"Jim has made the rounds through the ranks of anti-nuclear activists. His finest hours are behind him, however. He and his cockamammie writings have been REJECTED BY EACH AND EVERY ACTIVIST GROUP IN THE NATION. Jim isn´t welcome to participate, to associate, or to assimilate with any of these groups. He is considered "poison", because he is quickly seen as the ´crank´ nutter he really is.

Having burned his bridges at all nuclear venues in the country, Jim´s latest play was to try and insinuate himself into the "chemtrails" hoax. It was a bold move and required a bold strategy.
Jim used a version of his old "nuclear whistleblower" thema, but was inventive(or foolish?) enough to go past the point of no return and actually claim to have invented "chemtrails" himself. From there, he fabricated a grand delusion in which he was bold enough to claim invention of HAARP as well!"

Yikes. Of course I don´t take this for the gospel truth, that would be hypocritical. It just is another side to the story.
Octo
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"His finest hours are behind him, however."

Yes, that says it all. How is it possible for a person to say that about another person? Nobody but ourselves know when we have our finest hours.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Link please Dogfishead.

And cheers to you 14814, nice poem.
wtng2fish
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
James E. Phelps studied electrical engineering at the University of Tennessee with his thesis being in core reactor refuelling electronics for breeder reactors. Much of his work was at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee (ORNL) which is funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) where he worked in the areas of radiation detection and measurements and site remediation amongst other tasks.

He developed the concept of air pharmacology while working at ORNL. This concept entails "treating" the air with chemicals to mitigate and offset the effects of other toxic chemicals in the air such as hydrogen fluoride and chlorine. The purpose was to lessen the extremely toxic effects of fluoride pollution while not stating that a problem existed to the public. The entire art of pharmacology is about how to add one more toxic effect to mitigate another from industry or environment.

The chemtrail technique is basically air pharmacology - how to add one more pollutant that has some positive synergistic effect against another. Phelps developed this approach while looking at weapons plants worker health effects at ORNL.

Jim has been actively and openly involved in criticism of ORNL and DOE and much related material may be found by searching online and also at his environmental newsletter web site: DOEWatch. There you will find much on "air pharmacology" or "scattering" or "geoengineering" or, in other words, "chemtrails". In his web pages he openly makes the claim of being a whistle blower.

Jim was asked for some opinion on the Holmestead.ca Shield Project web page and he has provided this short "review":

*****

"I have been asked to comment on the earlier Holmestead.ca chemtrail question and answer web page regarding the: Shield Project. Here are my thoughts:

Sounds connected pretty close - sounds like one of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory types.

LLNL (funded by the DOE) is where all the weather and toxic computer science happens in the U.S. They do the EIS [Environmental Impact Statements] for the wars and things. Most of the science and logic "Deep Shield" describes is real close - not perfect. Any errors in the web page version may simply be due to note taking and transcription. Some additional questions could have been asked such as relating to the radiation conversion ionization mechanism of the barium and fluoride.

Keep in mind that the "Star Wars" program and "chemtrails" overlap. The Star Wars program called "Excalibur" uses all the physics connected to the chemtrail effects. Excalibur is a nuclear pumped x-ray LASER system, whose basic operations are the same as those for the Sun´s radiation acting on the fluorides in the upper atmosphere. They are so close to each other that both of them use the "shield" term.

This "Deep" person speaks the exact lingo from ORNL in the 80´s that was used as the national security justification for the chemtrails and their close association to Star Wars and Ed Teller.

"Deep" refers to the need to keep all this mess secret so as not to panic the planet. What this does is allow them to manipulate things. We all know that for a problem of this magnitude, that in order to fix it, you involve all the peoples of the planet. This process would bring on real global cooperation and peace.

This is basically the time when all the peoples of the world deserve to know the problems and learn to work together. This is the real definition for greater good and bringing on global oneness.

You are headed in that direction of openness and accountability with your web site work and this is good."

Jim Phelps




For more background material on the chemtrail discussion here is a paper recommended by Jim Phelps that is in Acrobat pdf format on: "Global Warming and Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change."

It was prepared for submittal to the 22nd International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies Erice (Sicily), Italy August 20-23, 1997 by E. Teller, L. Wood and R. Hyde of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

The paper presents suggestions based on "scatterers" that prevent a small fraction of solar radiation from reaching all or part of the Earth: Global Warming pdf - 221KB. The Acrobat pdf file will open in a separate window of your browser if you have the usual plug-in installed - it may be kept open, minimized or closed to return here.
wtng2fish
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
When all else fails, discredit by slinging mud. Stupid people will believe it.
curious?
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
iamwith
wtng2fish
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Go to it sleuths, I can´t debate this anymore. Try much work has piled up and time to crank out some URAR´S. Please keep Dr. P´s ego fed.
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"When all else fails, discredit by slinging mud. Stupid people will believe it."

Now hold on. There is a legitimate question about Phelps in my mind. He has a terrible reputation, even among some other chemtrail proponents.

I have been reading some of his posts on a few forums for the last hour.

I really think he is misrepresenting himself. Of course I can´t prove it, any more than you can prove he isn´t, but something if fishy here to me. He also seems to have a problem with the Jews.

I was reading an Oak Ridge blog also and those people seem to despise him.

An example of some of his posts on the ´oak ridger´, a message board for Oak Ridge:

"It is well known that the "K-25" plant code is linked to the gas diffusion process that was developed by the Kellogg Co. and the plant´s design used 25 percent of the Manhattan Project´s funding to make "product 25," or HEU.

The plants´ designators did not come from grid maps, but from issue linked to the plants. The projects designers spent 25 percent of the funds trying to keep the fluoride´s toxic effects contained, but failed to do this in the long run.

It is suggested that the three plants code name designators link to religion as the X in X-10 designation is linked to God and the Ten Commandments and the Y in Y-12 to Yahweh and the 12 disciples.

The K-25 designator has religious significance as well because this plant is highly related to fluoride´s toxic health effects and these highly linked to old world volcanic toxic effect problems.

Events in the old world from Noah landing on the largest land mass volcano in the world, Ararat, to the disappearance of Sodom and Gomorra from volcanic linked subsidence from the East African Rift Valley are fluorides related. The K-25 designator is linked to some of the most veiled religion issues.

Today, the extremely high fluoride emissions from the K-25 chemical processing plant are becoming known to the public and the associated health and environmental effects becoming highly suspect as the dominate cause of worker and community illnesses.

K-25 emitted hundreds of tons of fluorides and millions of pounds of freon into the atmosphere each year of its operation. Fluoride´s toxic effects are linked to the earliest of industrial emissions affecting health and agriculture.

Few persons recognize it, but the closing of the K-25 plant in the 1980s was highly determined by these toxic releases and the illness they caused.

One can read a technical article review report similar to one I did in the 1980s that prompted the closing of K-25 at URL: [link to members.aol.com]

This report´s message became the standard for toxic disease cause and effect in the 1980s in Oak Ridge that related directly to their extreme liabilities."
===========================================

I find that post interesting, and telling. Call it mudslinging, but are you not questioning him because he supports your opinion? To be truly objective, I believe it is even more important to question things you agree with than things you don´t.
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
Oh, and fish, you are obviously used to Dr P. I can assure you that I will be nothing but respectful of your opinions, and you, whether I agree with you or not.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
DogFishHead, Phelps is talking gobbledegook. To pick just one example at random...he thinks that hydrogen flouride and hydrogen chloride are suspended in the upper atmosphere as colloidal-sized solid particles! The best you can say for him is that he´s not quite as ignorant and irrational as the Incredible Dim Wits...but that´s the faintest praise imaginable. You may ask how he managed to get a degree. Well, I´ve done a lot of university teaching, and I regret very much to say that I´ve seen more than one hopeless case given a degree just to get rid of him.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
wtng2fish it is better for all, that DogFishHead does his research, non of us, on either side of the chemtrail divide should have our beliefs written in stone.
Give DogFishHead a chance.
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"Well, I´ve done a lot of university teaching, and I regret very much to say that I´ve seen more than one hopeless case given a degree just to get rid of him"

Well that´s a scary thought.

I would have to agree, at least from my preliminary investigation Phelps seems to be a little unbalanced. My point earlier in the thread is that it is bad investigation to trust implicitly something somebody says unless they are indeed qualified to say it.

I think many people use other people´s words when they debate instead of using their own brains--and that applies to both sides of any issue. If you can´t paraphrase an idea in your own words you can´t say you understand your own arguments.
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"wtng2fish it is better for all, that DogFishHead does his research, non of us, on either side of the chemtrail divide should have our beliefs written in stone."

Ah, another rational thinker. I agree. No matter what side of the issue you are on, you should never be afraid or reject opposing viewpoints.

That is the definition of objectivity.

I have no vested interest in ´debunking´ chemtrails. All I want is the truth.
Dr P
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"[A] little unbalanced" is putting it mildly! Did you notice his reference to Sodom and Gomorrah...again, just to pick something at random? (I note that, like the Incredible Dim Wits, he clearly thinks that correct spelling is unimportant.)
DogFishHead
12/08/2005 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: INVENTOR OF HAARP BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON CHEMTRAILS
"[A] little unbalanced" is putting it mildly! Did you notice his reference to Sodom and Gomorrah...again, just to pick something at random? (I note that, like the Incredible Dim Wits, he clearly thinks that correct spelling is unimportant.)

=============================================

Yea, the Sodom and Gomorrah reference. It´s what made me post the thing in the first place. It hit me like a brick when I read it.

I can imagine how that went over in the ´Oak Ridger´ blog.

News