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**I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)

 
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**I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
I served in the United States Army 1990 to 1995. In 1995 I was with the 87th engineer unit based out of Fort Stewart Georgia. We were deployed in March of that year to Haiti.

My unit was put under the command of the UN peacekeeping force in Port-au-Prince Haiti. We got the blue patches and the blue helmets. We served with forces from Canada and even Nepal, believe it or not

My unit was an engineering unit and our mission was to build the camps that the UN peacekeeping troops would live in. That means we were the very first full units to arrive on scene. We work in part with the Green Berets who are already there

The things I saw are simply unimaginable. You cannot explain them in English language. The depth and the breath of the poverty, the staggering destitution, the starving masses, the dead bodies in the street, the chaos, it's not something you can understand.

What you see going on in Haiti right now has been going on there on and off for decades! and tragically the United States government has supported most of the policies that created this mess. I was there I witnessed it

I see so many posts on this site from people who think they know "well why don't they just do XYZ? Stupid Haitians!"

YOU HAVE NO IDEA!

Anyway, go ahead and ask me a question
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?
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If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?
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they've been starving for decades. That's my point

The world only cares about acute emergencies. Millions of people starving to death living in squalor and destitution nobody really gives a shit about
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If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?


they've been starving for decades. That's my point

The world only cares about acute emergencies. Millions of people starving to death living in squalor and destitution nobody really gives a shit about
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I find it amazing that all these people suddenly care.

Where were they before?
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
we traveled about two hours up the coast from Port-au-Prince to build a small camp up there.

In the morning some old Haitian dude with a chicken bone put curse on I! No joking. He had some kind of a bone and he was waving around and chanting strange words at us. He was not pleased at our arrival
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
how many zombies did u kill?
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
Lands occupied by the less fortunate can and will be wiped off the map to make way for those who have the means to expand.

In a few weeks, when plague's break out over the island and goodwill begins to become more restricted as a result, it's going to become a nightmare.

I predict up to half of the population of the island could be gone within a year. I don't believe it's going to recover.
Pardon me for interrupting your premature celebration, but I thought it only fair to give you a sporting chance as you are new to this game.
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
What is the best way to help them?
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What is the best way to help them?
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I think the French should help them the most.
Pardon me for interrupting your premature celebration, but I thought it only fair to give you a sporting chance as you are new to this game.
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
we traveled about two hours up the coast from Port-au-Prince to build a small camp up there.

In the morning some old Haitian dude with a chicken bone put curse on I! No joking. He had some kind of a bone and he was waving around and chanting strange words at us. He was not pleased at our arrival
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Why do they consider you such a threat? What is going on in their minds?
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
agree.

haiti was a cesspool before. now it is hell on earth.
news shows many feel good stories admidst the mayhem.

they aren't showing the whole truth. as usual.
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What is the best way to help them?
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damn good question!

In my opinion the best way to help Haiti is the creation of an agricultural infrastructure. The climate is absolutely PERFECT for growing so many tropical fruits like bananas or pineapples. Once upon a time the soil was also wonderful, but now it is been raped.

There are sections of this cuticle tropical paradise that is now a desert! Not figuratively, literally. It's a desert, nothing but sand and dust

but there are still large places where banana plantations exist.

In my opinion small scale farms and plantations are what Haiti really and truly needs more than anything else
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?


they've been starving for decades. That's my point

The world only cares about acute emergencies. Millions of people starving to death living in squalor and destitution nobody really gives a shit about
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One of the reasons I decided not to have kids is people already starving on Earth...Why bring in another mouth to feed
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
we traveled about two hours up the coast from Port-au-Prince to build a small camp up there.

In the morning some old Haitian dude with a chicken bone put curse on I! No joking. He had some kind of a bone and he was waving around and chanting strange words at us. He was not pleased at our arrival


Why do they consider you such a threat? What is going on in their minds?
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the vast majority of Haitians were very glad to see us. this is because we brought food and water. And they were starving.

That old man was just a crazy old coot, his mind twisted by voodoo
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
Would it be good for Aristide to come back? He said a couple days ago he wants to.
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
Where is the Hatian Government?
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What is the best way to help them?


damn good question!

In my opinion the best way to help Haiti is the creation of an agricultural infrastructure. The climate is absolutely PERFECT for growing so many tropical fruits like bananas or pineapples. Once upon a time the soil was also wonderful, but now it is been raped.

There are sections of this cuticle tropical paradise that is now a desert! Not figuratively, literally. It's a desert, nothing but sand and dust

but there are still large places where banana plantations exist.

In my opinion small scale farms and plantations are what Haiti really and truly needs more than anything else
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This will never happen.

Let's start at step #1, remove the dictator.
This will not happen with ignorant Americans asking,
"How much do I make the check for?"
"What is that text # to donate?"
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
once you get out of the big city, most of the houses are made of nothing more than sticks and mud. Literally.

When it rained sometimes half their house would wash away. Then they would just go get more sticks and more mud and build it back up again.

I saw people bathing their children in the same swampy pit that pigs were shitting in

But the eyes of the starving children is something you will never forget. Ever.
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Where is the Hatian Government?
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"Haitian government" is largely a myth. It exists only for a very select few. The vast majority of the population are simply left to fend for themselves here it no real infrastructure, no real roads, or educational system or healthcare system etc.
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
I believe you OP.

All of a sudden, because of a man-made earthquake (population control?) - the U.S. government wants its broke citizens to give Haitians a handout.

Which was worse? Haiti or New Orleans? If the disaster was Palm Beach with its rich Jewish residents, help would be more immediate.

Look at the horrible living conditions of the Iraqis and Afghanistans we have bombed into utter poverty and over a million dead.

Look at the 2-3 million the U.S. killed in Southeast Asia, not excluding the 58,300 of our own military that perished.

The list is long. And so, now, we're suppose to be soooooooooooo concerned about an already impoverished nation? What are we? An ATM machine?

Seroiusly, WTF should we care?

Interesting, too, OP that you mention putting on the UN uniform.

Thanks for posting.
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If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?


they've been starving for decades. That's my point

The world only cares about acute emergencies. Millions of people starving to death living in squalor and destitution nobody really gives a shit about
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thats excatly my poit

we dont realy give a shit because if we did there wouldnt be not one starving person in america.

would you feed your neghbor? no

most on this site only care about protecting whats theres in this event.

fack fucking americans!!!

and to all the fake christians who plan on using guns,, arent you suppose to help the needy? dosnt our god say give your stuff away??

i know i will be provided for if thats his will no matter what.
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If they were eating dirt to begin with, why are they starving now?


they've been starving for decades. That's my point

The world only cares about acute emergencies. Millions of people starving to death living in squalor and destitution nobody really gives a shit about
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bump they know all are watching and they gotta look like they care.
great post OP!
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What is the best way to help them?


damn good question!

In my opinion the best way to help Haiti is the creation of an agricultural infrastructure. The climate is absolutely PERFECT for growing so many tropical fruits like bananas or pineapples. Once upon a time the soil was also wonderful, but now it is been raped.

There are sections of this cuticle tropical paradise that is now a desert! Not figuratively, literally. It's a desert, nothing but sand and dust

but there are still large places where banana plantations exist.

In my opinion small scale farms and plantations are what Haiti really and truly needs more than anything else
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hf
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Where is the Hatian Government?


"Haitian government" is largely a myth. It exists only for a very select few. The vast majority of the population are simply left to fend for themselves here it no real infrastructure, no real roads, or educational system or healthcare system etc.
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So what is the US is supposed to do? Take over and have people scream empire building?

When do the Haitians get to the point where they are tired of the crime, tired of the corruption and come up with a plan on their own? How much help has been given to them? So if there is a plot by the IMF to keep them poor why don't they do something?

BTW, OP thanks for trying to make a difference and help. Sometimes though the only way to help people is to have them learn how to help themselves and they must be willing to do so.
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Where is the Hatian Government?


"Haitian government" is largely a myth. It exists only for a very select few. The vast majority of the population are simply left to fend for themselves here it no real infrastructure, no real roads, or educational system or healthcare system etc.


So what is the US is supposed to do? Take over and have people scream empire building?

When do the Haitians get to the point where they are tired of the crime, tired of the corruption and come up with a plan on their own? How much help has been given to them? So if there is a plot by the IMF to keep them poor why don't they do something?

BTW, OP thanks for trying to make a difference and help. Sometimes though the only way to help people is to have them learn how to help themselves and they must be willing to do so.
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oh yes! All of the "help" they have been given!

papa doc duvalier was a dictator who seized power in a 1950s. He was completely insane. He became convinced that one of his rivals had turned himself into a black dog using voodoo magic. So he ordered that all black dogs on the entire island of Haiti be killed.

He raped and looted that country for 30 years. And here's the thing he did it with the full backing and cooperation of the United States government! The CIA totally had his back.

When he died his equally insane son baby Doc took over and continue to the raping and the looting, again with the full backing and cooperation of the United States government.

by the time his son was finally overthrown the country was in utter and complete shambles. It remains so to this day
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
surprise nobody asked why they don't just eat fish they catch from the ocean?
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why do they keep breeding?
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
There are many Hatians in the NFL

ooops that is not a question? tomato
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
What are we clueless about?

I don't think anyone thought Haiti was a prosperous country. Starvation and malnutrition has been around for many years and no big rush to stop it came before the quake. Mudcakes were and probably are still a big part of the diet.

What do you propose we do?

The aid will most likely feed them better now than before.

I personally would not drop one penny into a REDSHIELD program or any UN program (although my country is a big supporter of the UN)..........so what do we do. I see people starving daily in my own country. I see homeless people daily in my own country. I see widows and orphans in my own country. I help people in my own country and my TAX dollars go out and help those in other countries (which I do not support because it should be helping at home first).

Programs like OIL FOR FOOD made me rethink how charity and programs work.

They have a widow and orphan that needs to leave Haiti. I will put them up in my small home with my family and try to help them more than any of those programs or UN crap will ever help them in Haiti.
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
Do you see this military occupation of their nation to go .. un challenged by the natives?

Eventually people will notice the troops won't be leaving...

I wonder what the damage was to the old mines...
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Re: **I was in Haiti with the UN in 1995! Ask me a question!** (Most of you are clueless)
surprise nobody asked why they don't just eat fish they catch from the ocean?
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Why don't they eat fish? FISH TASTES GOOD. MAKES U SMART TOO.

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