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Puma Punku 17,000 years old - more complex than pyramids?
As I responded to an earlier post with this topic I thought it might be good to post a new topic on this place. The megalithic stonework is incredible and the types of stonework has implications that boggle the mind.

The place is Puma Punku in Brazil.

Check out these links for more.

[link to www.youtube.com]


[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.pacal.de]

[link to www.pacal.de]

[link to projectavalon.net]

Conduits, wire traces, Maybe plumbing ,,, who knows . This place is a true mystery,,,more so than the over rated pyramids.

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Have some coffee on me AC. peace
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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???


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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???

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Probably because it's been discussed in so many places already. History Channel seems to include it in all of their "Ancient Aliens" shows.

It's interesting, but then so is most of the unknowns about ancient cultures.

The debate always ends up the same. One part thinks it's alien tech, the other part says "you're crazy" - so why bother with that abuse?

and now you know.
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I like you quote. I agree with it.
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oh, and i believe it's in Bolivia, not Brazil.
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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???



Probably because it's been discussed in so many places already. History Channel seems to include it in all of their "Ancient Aliens" shows.

It's interesting, but then so is most of the unknowns about ancient cultures.

The debate always ends up the same. One part thinks it's alien tech, the other part says "you're crazy" - so why bother with that abuse?

and now you know.
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Trus ,,, true but here at GLP there are MANY topics that keep reappearing and half of them are not nearly as good as this.

Oh Well


whatever
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Do you think it was aliens? Or a previous human civilization with different technologies than we have?
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oh, and i believe it's in Bolivia, not Brazil.
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You are correct ,,,, my bad
Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy]



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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???

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Thread: Cant believe this is not talked about much Puma Punku
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Do you think it was aliens? Or a previous human civilization with different technologies than we have?
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I believe the latter. A previous human civilization with different tech. I would just love to believe the "alien" theories but all there is on that is just circumstantial evidence at best. Here is the remains of huge structures with more complicated manufacturing than the pyramids, and it is thousands of years older.
Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy]



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no misery here but the proof that we have been downgraded from the state of being in which people lived then.
No aliens there.
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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???



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Sorry I did not do a search on it before I posted. An "impulse post" I might say.
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Do you think it was aliens? Or a previous human civilization with different technologies than we have?


I believe the latter. A previous human civilization with different tech. I would just love to believe the "alien" theories but all there is on that is just circumstantial evidence at best. Here is the remains of huge structures with more complicated manufacturing than the pyramids, and it is thousands of years older.
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Yep. Me too. And it also fits in very well with the teachings of the vast cycles we go through here.
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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???



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Sorry I did not do a search on it before I posted. An "impulse post" I might say.
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It is a very interesting topic none the less. I posted the link more to show that not much escapes the matrix that is GLP.

Hey, did you know the that some Christians think the planet only 6000 years old??
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Hmmm,,

Maybe there should be a "peak civilization" theory. Kinda like the "peak oil" one. Where a civilization rises to a point where it depletes the resources it needs to keep growing and alive.

IT IS A BOTHERING THOUGHT AS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW IN OUR OWN TIMELINE.
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Really ?? no one wants to chat about this place ???



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Sorry I did not do a search on it before I posted. An "impulse post" I might say.


It is a very interesting topic none the less. I posted the link more to show that not much escapes the matrix that is GLP.

Hey, did you know the that some Christians think the planet only 6000 years old??
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Yea,

And that bothers me too. But look at this link. It shows that all the granite was formed pretty much simultaneously.

Polonium Halos

[link to www.halos.com]

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Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy]



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concrete.
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concrete.
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did you listen well; it did look like, but it is not
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Many of us here are willing to believe in an assortment of doom types, so why should it be hard to believe that civilizations have come and gone, flourished before us and died off due to catastrophic events?

Genesis 6:4 tells us:
6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Assuming that this is all true, then we probably had a race of giants who were probably also very intelligent and likely capable of much more than we currently imagine. They were, according to the Scriptures, children of God, and God had simply called things into existence. Or, perhaps, God gave the orders. Anyhow, we have structures on earth that we can't explain any other way without attributing them to alien technology. Also according to the Bible, the earth was subjected to fire and brimstone (Sodom and Gomorra) and Noah's flood. It is also documented that the sun stood still at one point for 3 days. That probably created great havoc, as well. These are things from one ancient text and there are others such as referenced by Immanuel Velikovsky.

I have no problem believing that the earth has been subjected to catastrophes in the past. Between historical documents and scientific excavation, and megalithic structures such as are in the video, how can anybody say such things are impossible? Just because we have not seen them happen in our lifetime does not mean that they can't happen. The earthquake in Haiti just did considerable damage. The tsunami of a few years back did lots, and these are relatively small when one considers what might happen if we were to be hit by an asteroid or comet, or subjected to the near passing of some other heavenly body.

Events of that magnitude would have probably destroyed previous civilizations and only structures such as the pyramids and the other megalithic buildings would have survived. With sufficient force, winds, rain and time, almost anything can weather away into oblivion, and the few survivors of such an event would be preoccupied with, dare I say it, survival for quite a while.

In short, it has happened before, probably many times and will likely happen again. In the far distant future, people will find whatever survives of our civilization and try to piece together who we were and what we did as we do now.
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In short, it has happened before, probably many times and will likely happen again. In the far distant future, people will find whatever survives of our civilization and try to piece together who we were and what we did as we do now.
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Agreed 100%
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In short, it has happened before, probably many times and will likely happen again. In the far distant future, people will find whatever survives of our civilization and try to piece together who we were and what we did as we do now.



Agreed 100%
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of ours it will be difficult to find pieces
those stone might have been carved not with the aid of an intellect but with the power of the heart and through the 'machinery' of the brain. Your brain can/could be many machines that your hart wishes.
a little bit poetic but some will understand what i meean...
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some more good stuff here -

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In short, it has happened before, probably many times and will likely happen again. In the far distant future, people will find whatever survives of our civilization and try to piece together who we were and what we did as we do now.



Agreed 100%

of ours it will be difficult to find pieces
those stone might have been carved not with the aid of an intellect but with the power of the heart and through the 'machinery' of the brain. Your brain can/could be many machines that your hart wishes.
a little bit poetic but some will understand what i meean...
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lol...well we made a lot of plastic shit. That takes a while to decompose.

But yes, I understand what you are saying.
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In short, it has happened before, probably many times and will likely happen again. In the far distant future, people will find whatever survives of our civilization and try to piece together who we were and what we did as we do now.



Agreed 100%
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They'll have the investigative advantage, because a huge amount of our garbage is made out of virtually non-biodegradable plastics, that will endure for many tens of thousands of years.

damned
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They'll have the investigative advantage, because a huge amount of our garbage is made out of virtually non-biodegradable plastics, that will endure for many tens of thousands of years.

damned
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Beat ya! ;)
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not a very good argument
this only proves that plastics are an odd things which might be not needed for to have a technology vaster advanced than the ego driven shit we have come up with.
besides, of all our plastic shit anyone with a bit of imagination can make perfect sense.
You see, the metals we know and the plastics we can invent would not produce such a technology
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we are all repeating the past - the past is our future - the future is our past
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It is theorized the Pumapunku complex as well as its surrounding temples, the Akapana pyramid, Kalasasaya, Putuni and Kerikala functioned as spiritual and ritual centers for the Tiwanaku. This area might have been viewed as the center of the Andean world, attracting pilgrims from miles away to marvel in its beauty. These structures transformed the local landscape; Pumapunku was purposely integrated with Illimani mountain, a sacred peak that the Tiwanaku possibly believed to be home to the spirits of their dead. This area was believed to have existed between heaven and Earth. The spiritual significance and the sense of wonder would have been amplified into a "mind-altering and life-changing experience"[12] through the use of hallucinogenic plants. Recent excavations have unearthed hallucinogenic cacti, other psychedelic entheogens, drug paraphernalia, snuffing kits, and mummified shamans with assortments of drugs and medicines. Examinations of hair samples exhibit remnants of psychoactive substances in many mummies found in the Tiwanaku aria, even those of babies as young as 1 year of age, demonstrating the importance of these substances to the local people's spirituality.[13]

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