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CALIFORNIA DAM CRISIS COULD KILL MILLIONS!! - UPDATED!!!

 
Being * gnieB
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The money just to rehab the 53 "deficient" dams alone is just a little shy of $700 MILLION, of which, only $20 million has been applied. If they can't even get the dams fixed, what makes anyone think the money to manage the water could ever be implemented? Seems they can't even PROTECT the water supply with dam repair, let alone spend all that EXTRA money, over and above repair costs to manage it...
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'Well'... (no pun intended) what is your constructive positive solution?
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Someone wrote this back in 2005 - their take on the crisis...scarey that the CA Delta dam provides the vast majority of drinking water to the entire state.

[link to www.csub.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871044


When you say Delta dam, do you mean the Folsom dam on the American River? There are lots of levees in the Delta, but I don't know of a dam.

I've been worried about the Folsom dam for several weeks now, even before the storms hit.
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Most 'accidents' are avoidable.


True and since the late 70's many studies were made talking about the declining condition of America's reservoirs and dams. But people would rather spend billions on social programs than invest in maintaining infrastructure. That works until you can't flush your toilet or the dam breaks.
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u would rather spend trillions on wars without end
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Like Cali can really afford this right now
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Interesting reading on why California is broke..

[link to anewscafe.com]
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There is no and has been no "delta dam".
The delta area has over a thousand m iles of sloughs and river waterways. It is referred to as the Everglades of the West. Sacramento mean level above sea level is 15' and with rising coastal ocean waters it will flood and salinify the rivers, the Sacramento San Joaquin rivers.

To Majik who is waiting for disaster to hit California, you are a freaking narcissistic jerk. Half the nations food comes from California farmers, not to mention most of the technology generated herein this country , too. Nearly 40M people reside here and most of them came from every other state in this union and from all over the world.
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Folsom Lake has been nearly empty. No reason to worry about Folsom Dam. I live a few hundred yards from the Lake.
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this is a dam crisis i tell ya
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Someone wrote this back in 2005 - their take on the crisis...scarey that the CA Delta dam provides the vast majority of drinking water to the entire state.

[link to www.csub.edu]


When you say Delta dam, do you mean the Folsom dam on the American River? There are lots of levees in the Delta, but I don't know of a dam.

I've been worried about the Folsom dam for several weeks now, even before the storms hit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871455


Anyone know the age or state of these levees?
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Ey man I stay in the city of EL MONTE CAlifornia, couple of miles from azusa damn incase it should break where is the safest pleace to go? I ask because I have small children and a newborn baby here please help out!
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The money just to rehab the 53 "deficient" dams alone is just a little shy of $700 MILLION, of which, only $20 million has been applied. If they can't even get the dams fixed, what makes anyone think the money to manage the water could ever be implemented? Seems they can't even PROTECT the water supply with dam repair, let alone spend all that EXTRA money, over and above repair costs to manage it...


'Well'... (no pun intended) what is your constructive positive solution?
 Quoting: Being * gnieB 609135


If you take a look at the full report,

[link to netidentity.us]

At the bottom of the article, below the graphics, you'll see a link that will take you to a directory of the Cali State Reps. I suggest putting their feet to the fire on this in as loud a voice as you can manage, and get anyone ELSE you know to do the same, bring in local media, make a big enough noise, to get heard. THEN, (maybe) SOMEONE will get the message and this problem can at least get addressed and move toward a solution that would mitigate this situation by FORCING the local govt. to take SOME kind of action to fix these dangerous dams that have been neglected for FAR too long now...
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Someone wrote this back in 2005 - their take on the crisis...scarey that the CA Delta dam provides the vast majority of drinking water to the entire state.

[link to www.csub.edu]


When you say Delta dam, do you mean the Folsom dam on the American River? There are lots of levees in the Delta, but I don't know of a dam.

I've been worried about the Folsom dam for several weeks now, even before the storms hit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871455


Apologies...I stand corrected. It's the California Delta. Saw something on tv a few months back discussing the gravity of the situation with the levees in the delta area, it's history, and dire need for attention. It was fascinating, but scarey all the same, given the drinking water provision for the state.
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Ey man I stay in the city of EL MONTE CAlifornia, couple of miles from azusa damn incase it should break where is the safest pleace to go? I ask because I have small children and a newborn baby here please help out!
 Quoting: RUDY 871522


Gee, I'm not sure what to tell you...

Here are the DAMS near your location:

Minh Dam
Whither Narrows Dam
Morris Reservoir Dam
Santa Fe Dam
Eaton Dam
New Tu Dam


You might want to take a look at this link and see where you are in relation to them, it may give you an idea of what and where you need to do and be in the event one of these dams goes south...

[link to maps.google.com]
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So . . . . .

When the hydro operators start passing water over the spillways, are you going to panic and spread the word that the dam has failed??
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:5:lol
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Damn this Crisis is serious.

Yes, and the only reason I'm calling this breaking news, is because you aren't seeing this covered by the MSM!

The sheer weight of the added rainfall, potentially could pose an earthquake hazard...

Yellowstone is really acting up, EQ swarms in Haiti...

Contributing factors...
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bad scene.
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uhhh heh.... is this a god dam
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Apologies...I stand corrected. It's the California Delta. Saw something on tv a few months back discussing the gravity of the situation with the levees in the delta area, it's history, and dire need for attention. It was fascinating, but scarey all the same, given the drinking water provision for the state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871044


Does anyone know the condition of these levees? The dams are one thing, levees are another concern...
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And the band played on...

Record Jet Stream
Record Torrential Rain
Record Low Barometric Pressure

FAULTY DAMS!!

Thread: West Coast massive incoming storm like never before
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I was involved in the clean up of this dam break in 1976. Amazingly only 14 lives were lost, at the Teton Dam break in Idaho. For more check out the link:

[link to www.geol.ucsb.edu]

Becarful out there folks.
Fishing and skiing keeps me a little sane.
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Most 'accidents' are avoidable.


Problem with the dam situation though, is that California is BROKE! Yeah, maybe a catastrophe CAN be "avoided" but is it likely?

Probably NOT!
 Quoting: Dream Killer

This is what kills me. California is broke. How did that happen? Those sky high property values, the billions in revenues generated by Hollywood, all those millionaire film execs and actors, the tourism revenues. Shit, California should be the richest state in the union, running a budget surplus.
Oh yeah, I forgot, none of those millionaires pay taxes.
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Probably NOT!

This is what kills me. California is broke. How did that happen? Those sky high property values, the billions in revenues generated by Hollywood, all those millionaire film execs and actors, the tourism revenues. Shit, California should be the richest state in the union, running a budget surplus.
Oh yeah, I forgot, none of those millionaires pay taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871315


Taxes actually have not alot to do with this, most of these dams are privately owned according to the original report anyway...
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Finally, officially, an EQ "swarm" event has been recorded at Yellowstone. IF this ground pressure transfers to the San Andreas, as it did to Yellowstone from HAITI, then the ship is sunk! The "swarm" at Yellowstone didn't begin until 5 days after Haiti, using that as a compass, we should know by proximity within the next 2 to 3 days if California will have an EQ event on TOP of the mudslides, etc.

ALL of this is a problem for the dilapidated dams this forum is discussing...
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WHEN the dams break, we will be headed for an entirely different problem...

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The original report is updated with new graphic and information!

ANYONE with friends or family, or are just interested need to see THIS:

[link to netidentity.us]
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Especially the Dam right up from Azusa. This one has been on my mind lately.bump (cogswell)
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Oooh---did you bump your head? The mind is quicker than the fingers sometimes.
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Especially the Dam right up from Azusa. This one has been on my mind lately.bump (cogswell)

Oooh---did you bump your head? The mind is quicker than the fingers sometimes.
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Maybe that's why I didn't see the rubber-ducky...

shocked
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Ey man I stay in the city of EL MONTE CAlifornia, couple of miles from azusa damn incase it should break where is the safest pleace to go? I ask because I have small children and a newborn baby here please help out!
 Quoting: RUDY 871522

rudy ese! you gotta worry about irwindale dam ese!

that thing gonna blow!
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Ey man I stay in the city of EL MONTE CAlifornia, couple of miles from azusa damn incase it should break where is the safest pleace to go? I ask because I have small children and a newborn baby here please help out!

rudy ese! you gotta worry about irwindale dam ese!

that thing gonna blow!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 870202


Isn't the Irwindale dam part of the Santa Fe dam structure?

[link to maps.google.com]
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Ey man I stay in the city of EL MONTE CAlifornia, couple of miles from azusa damn incase it should break where is the safest pleace to go? I ask because I have small children and a newborn baby here please help out!

rudy ese! you gotta worry about irwindale dam ese!

that thing gonna blow!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 870202

ORALE!! I'm up shit creek!! good looking out ese!
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