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WHY WERE SOME BOOKS TAKEN OFF THE BIBLE?

 
Still Learning
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WHY WERE SOME BOOKS TAKEN OFF THE BIBLE?
1611 King James Version has several books included and were taken off by the Church for what motives?

Who ordered the books taken off?

Why are they called apocryphal books?


Who wrote them?

Why were they part of the Bible, in the first place?

Can anybody answer my many questions?
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They didn't believe in dragons.
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Book of Maccabees: "It is a good and holy deed to pray for the dead."

Since praying for the dead (read: Purgatory) did not jibe with the doctrine of John Calvin and Martin Luther that book was taken out. Thus no Purgatory, we all go straight to Heaven.

398 ad Council of Carthage, the bishops at the Council decided on what books were inspired by the Holy Spirit to include in the Bible. Christ did not hand them a bible, it took time to rid of the gnostic books.
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Because as time progresses the masses do become more intelligent, and its the books removed from the so called holy scriptures that would have eventually allowed humankind to connect the dots to the actual truth of the matter!!

Religion is B.S. and the gods were nothing more than slave drivers!!
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1611 King James Version has several books included and were taken off by the Church for what motives?

Who ordered the books taken off?

Why are they called apocryphal books?


Who wrote them?

Why were they part of the Bible, in the first place?

Can anybody answer my many questions?
 Quoting: Still Learning 857869



This is the reason.


Vision to littlest of servants March 15, 2009



While in Church on Saturday morning after Mass while praying in front of the BLESSED SACRAMENT I received the following vision.


I saw sheep grazing on a green pasture. I then saw some of the sheep leave and next I saw that those sheep that had left were now grazing on barren ground with little to eat.


I then saw the Shepard who, knowing that some of the sheep had left, started to call out to them to come home were there was plenty to eat and the pastures were green. But the runaway sheep even though they heard the Shepherd calling them refused to go back.


The Shepherd continued to call and call them and they continued to refuse the call of the Shepherd even though there was barely enough to eat on the barren ground they were on.


JESUS then spoke to me and told me the sheep that were grazing together on the green very beautiful pasture were members of HIS EARLY CHURCH, when all belonged to ONE CHURCH, ONE BODY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF ROME.


HE then told me that the sheep that had left were the ones who left the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH to form their own churches. The Shepherd that was calling to them to come back was the POPE who JESUS told me was the ONE TRUE SHEPHERD FOR ALL CHRISTIANS.


The barren ground that the sheep that had left were grazing on represented the lack of graces for those who had left the CATHOLIC CHURCH.


I then saw a large group of sheep and they were gathered together right near the green pasture yet still on the pasture with barren ground.


JESUS spoke again and told me that these sheep represented the ORTHODOX CHURCHES WHO ARE NEAR UNITY WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.


I then saw some sheep and they were still far away ignoring the call of the Shepherd and still on ground that was almost totally barren.


JESUS spoke again and told me that these sheep represented the PROTESTANTS who HE WOULD HAVE TO PERSONALLY GO AND GET TO BRING THEM BACK TO THE FOLD, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
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The apocrypha were books written in the inter-testimental period. During the reformation the protestants decided that the books should not be considered part of the canon because when Jesus or other NT authors quoted things as Scripture they never quoted anything from the apocrypha, only quoting from the OT. Therefore, they assumed that the NT writers did not consider the apocrypha scripture. The apocrypha is still considered part of the canon by the roman catholic church, some eastern orthodox churches and a very small number of protestant denominations.
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Religion is B.S. and the gods were nothing more than slave drivers!!



 Quoting: HardTruth


Ah, but you're religious, are you not HT?
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So the apocrypha should be included or not?
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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?
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They didn't encompass the agenda.
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They didn't encompass the agenda.
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Yeah. The PTB of the time really didn't like anything hinting at reincarnation, and multiple lives.

They needed an all-or-nothing scenario - Heaven or Hell - to keep the terrified serfs terrorized, and in line.

damned
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They didn't encompass the agenda.


Yeah. The PTB of the time really didn't like anything hinting at reincarnation, and multiple lives.

They needed an all-or-nothing scenario - Heaven or Hell - to keep the terrified serfs terrorized, and in line.

damned
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Yep. Before the bible was "put together", there were all kinds of different texts, scriptures and letters in use by varying faiths. And they were all over the place.

The PTWere in charge wanted one religion and one belief system and wanted that system to work with their political agenda of control of the population.

There were lots of battles going on before the bible was finalized into what it is today. Lots of people were killed, and lots of books were destroyed.
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OP, in answer to your question, they were not canonized. The Apocrypha is a good study, I have one, and there is NO GOOD reason why they were not canonized but they weren't.

BE CAREFUL who you listen to, especially since you are 'still learning'...

KEEP AT IT!
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because only the books that met a high level of verifiability were included.

This way, it can be certtain that everything included in the bible today was indeed the word of God.


Some good stuff may have gotten left out as a result,like the book of Enoch.

There are several versions of the book of Enoch, some likley were corruptted, so which to include? To err on the side of saftey, all were left out.

But by the providence of God, all that was needed survives to this day, a miracle in itself seeing how the powerful throughout history tried to stamp the bible out.
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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?
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After careful examinition, they were not (apocrapha books) considered "inspired" mainly because they had been changed, or because the authorship was in question.

It wasn't "the church" that had decided this as HT likes to lie about, but the King James translators, a group of highly recognized scholars, the best of their time and translators who worked night and day with great prayer to "get it right". In my opinion, they did get it right.

But this business of the Catholic Church wanting to cover up certain truths...a lie, the KJV translators were not even a part of the Catholic Church, and King James had organized them for the express purpose of pissing off the Catholic Church. Time to get your history right HT.
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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?



After careful examinition, they were not (apocrapha books) considered "inspired" mainly because they had been changed, or because the authorship was in question.

It wasn't "the church" that had decided this as HT likes to lie about, but the King James translators, a group of highly recognized scholars, the best of their time and translators who worked night and day with great prayer to "get it right". In my opinion, they did get it right.

But this business of the Catholic Church wanting to cover up certain truths...a lie, the KJV translators were not even a part of the Catholic Church, and King James had organized them for the express purpose of pissing off the Catholic Church. Time to get your history right HT.


 Quoting: Wingedlion



The Orthodox and Catholic bibles include the Apocrypha.


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They were all about the dinosaurs with full color pictures and 3D pull outs. The kids loved it.
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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?



After careful examinition, they were not (apocrapha books) considered "inspired" mainly because they had been changed, or because the authorship was in question.

It wasn't "the church" that had decided this as HT likes to lie about, but the King James translators, a group of highly recognized scholars, the best of their time and translators who worked night and day with great prayer to "get it right". In my opinion, they did get it right.

But this business of the Catholic Church wanting to cover up certain truths...a lie, the KJV translators were not even a part of the Catholic Church, and King James had organized them for the express purpose of pissing off the Catholic Church. Time to get your history right HT.





The Orthodox and Catholic bibles include the Apocrypha.


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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?



After careful examinition, they were not (apocrapha books) considered "inspired" mainly because they had been changed, or because the authorship was in question.

It wasn't "the church" that had decided this as HT likes to lie about, but the King James translators, a group of highly recognized scholars, the best of their time and translators who worked night and day with great prayer to "get it right". In my opinion, they did get it right.

But this business of the Catholic Church wanting to cover up certain truths...a lie, the KJV translators were not even a part of the Catholic Church, and King James had organized them for the express purpose of pissing off the Catholic Church. Time to get your history right HT.
 Quoting: Wingedlion



Wrong. If they agreed with the concept (even in a roundabout way, or could be interpreted to agree with the divinity of Christ, then they were included.

The gospel of John has nothing to do with the other 3 synoptic gospels. But due to it's metaphorical style, it could be used to bolster the idea of Jesus as a deity.
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King James took out Apocryphal books cause if you read these books you will know what happened between testaments ...

if you read Maccabees and can figure out who the edomites are!

and that the Israelites chose death over eating swine!


read them! and the dead sea scrolls, and the book of Enoch
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the roman empire created the christian bible


the new testament was formed by the pagans....i mean romans

do the math
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So most books are NOT to be taken seriously?

What do you think?



After careful examinition, they were not (apocrapha books) considered "inspired" mainly because they had been changed, or because the authorship was in question.

It wasn't "the church" that had decided this as HT likes to lie about, but the King James translators, a group of highly recognized scholars, the best of their time and translators who worked night and day with great prayer to "get it right". In my opinion, they did get it right.

But this business of the Catholic Church wanting to cover up certain truths...a lie, the KJV translators were not even a part of the Catholic Church, and King James had organized them for the express purpose of pissing off the Catholic Church. Time to get your history right HT.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


This is an absolute lie. The Roman Catholic Church determined the Canon because Christ gave her the authority to do this guided by the Holy Spirit.

Martin Luther removed 7 books, he even tried to remove the Book of James but failed because those divinely inspired
books didn't agree with his new false teachings of...

Sola Scriptura

Sola Fide

Private Interpretation of Scripture

Denial of Purgatory

There are 30,000 changes made to the KJV from the original.
King James was gay, what was he inspired to do?
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Vatican Library stores things none of us will ever see.

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 Quoting: Blue Topaz

All we have is the Roman Church's historical accounts of what happened in the 300 years before the Church created Catholicism. They rewrote the history to suit their purposes.
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Vatican Library stores things none of us will ever see.

pope

All we have is the Roman Church's historical accounts of what happened in the 300 years before the Church created Catholicism. They rewrote the history to suit their purposes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 825669


You have no history before 1517. What you alter
and declare to be Christian history before that time
fits on a page.
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cause it's just a book...

a good book sometimes, a semi-historical book sometimes, a nice book in esoteric magick.

but a book..

sometimes it apalls you, sometimes it makes your hair stand on end.

i forget which poet said "when you read something and it makes your hair stand on end at the end of your arms, then you know it's from the heart"

we are emotional beings.

that is our strength and weakness

seek for yourself and don't buy into the Cliff's notes of spirituality by any religion.

master your emotions but also believe they are what makes us special.

as for god, i think god has better things to do than worried about whether we studied the "ORIGINAL TEXT" or

WHETHER WE UNDERSTOOD THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND
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They weren't taken off, just put aside to put in the third of the trilogy: Old, New and Now.
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King James took out Apocryphal books cause if you read these books you will know what happened between testaments ...

if you read Maccabees and can figure out who the edomites are!

and that the Israelites chose death over eating swine!


read them! and the dead sea scrolls, and the book of Enoch
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863287

Liar.
The 1611AV includes the Apocrypha.
The bible is mathematically perfect as it is. That being said, there's no harm in reading the Apocrypha which is why they are there. If your KJV doesn't have them, then you don't have the Authorised Version.
Get your facts right.
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This is an absolute lie. The Roman Catholic Church determined the Canon because Christ gave her the authority to do this guided by the Holy Spirit.


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St Constantine created Constantinople to be the Christian capital, not Rome.

Canon was determined by church ecumenical council of bishops.

None of the original seven were in Rome.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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1611 King James Version has several books included and were taken off by the Church for what motives?

Who ordered the books taken off?

Why are they called apocryphal books?


Who wrote them?

Why were they part of the Bible, in the first place?

Can anybody answer my many questions?
 Quoting: Still Learning 857869



The Book Of Enoch is one of these...It is STILL listed in some Bibles to this day (like in Ethiopia I believe),and The Bible even quotes The Book Of Enoch (and for this very reason,I consider it,if not "inspired word of God",atleast VERY IMPORTANT,or else Prophets moved by The Holy Spirit of God to write down God's words,would not have quoted from it)... - Jude 1:13-15

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

The reason it (and others) were not included was because I believe,and this is just my opinion,that it speaks of such AWESOME and MIGHTY things,like one of the MAIN reasons God brought the flood upon mankind (other than mankind's sins)...and again...The Word Of The Living God speaks of this SAME exact story in Genesis 6:2-4

It is about the "Nephilim" (Or "Fallen Ones"),but the translators who made the "King James Version" of the bible,translated "Nephilim",into "Giants" (Because the offspring of Fallen Angels,and earthly women,created giants like "Goliath",probably the most famous of them all)...

(As a side note,it is in chapter 6 - the same EXACT chapter that The Bible speaks of them - that The Book Of Enoch clearly tells us that these were FALLEN ANGELS!)...

Jesus said that in the Last Days,it would be "as it was in the days of Noah" just before his return...- Matthew 24:37

I believe that he is not only referring to the sins of mankind,but also the "Fallen Angels" who even according to The Book Of Revelation will be cast out of heaven (second heaven) down to the earth... - Revelation 6:13)

When they first came down (Genesis) they pretended to be "gods" (That is where all of the stories around the world come from about "Zeus","Apollo",and even with the Mayans "Blond haired blue eyed winged serpent god"...Now WHO do you think that sounds like? I believe it was Lucifer himself (or one of his minions) pretending to be a "god"...

(Now people are calling them "Aliens")...

Now when they return...They will NOT say "We are falling angels cast out of heaven by almighty God"...no...They will lie again,and say either again "We are gods" (Or "Highly evolved descendants of ours",or maybe they'll even claim to be "Aliens" (and remember,they are angels,spirits,they can take on ANY form that they wish)...

Now...

Do you see how SECRET and CONTROVERSIAL such a thing is? (Even in our day)...

THAT is why they left it out (Atleast that book)...This is just my opinion,and not "Inspired word" or anything,but pray about it,as I have,and I know that The Lord will show you these things...

OwlMan


ps. Follow the bold,and be BOLD...

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This is an absolute lie. The Roman Catholic Church determined the Canon because Christ gave her the authority to do this guided by the Holy Spirit.


St Constantine created Constantinople to be the Christian capital, not Rome.

Canon was determined by church ecumenical council of bishops.


None of the original seven were in Rome.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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Two sentences from that one page of the Protestant complete guide to the early Church.

Dr. D. doesn't say which Church because he doesn't want to, such a complete history. And he forgets about the Pope, Pope Damasus decided the Canon and it was then approved by several councils of Catholic bishops.

Dr. Doom. are you a fallen away Catholic or fallen away
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