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A French parliamentary committee has recommended a partial ban on women wearing Islamic face veils.

The committee's near 200-page report has proposed a ban in hospitals, schools, government offices and on public transport.

It also recommends that anyone showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" should be refused residence cards and citizenship.

The interior ministry says just 1,900 women in France wear the full veils.


In its report, the committee said requiring women to cover their faces was against the French republican principles of secularism and equality.

"The wearing of the full veil is a challenge to our republic. This is unacceptable. We must condemn this excess," the report said.

The commission called on parliament to adopt a formal resolution stating that the face veil was "contrary to the values of the republic" and proclaiming that "all of France is saying 'no' to the full veil".

Presenting the report to the French National Assembly, speaker Bernard Accoyer said the face veil had too many negative connotations.

"It is the symbol of the repression of women, and... of extremist fundamentalism.

Jacques Myard, French MP: "It is contrary to our social values"

"This divisive approach is a denial of the equality between men and women and a rejection of co-existence side-by-side, without which our republic is nothing."

The report is expected to be followed by the drafting of a bill and a parliamentary debate on the issue.

The BBC's Hugh Schofield, in Paris, says the reasoning behind the report is to make it as impractical as possible for women in face veils to go about their daily business.

There is also a fear that an outright ban would not only be difficult to implement but would be distasteful and could make France a target for terrorism, our correspondent says.

France has an estimated five million Muslims - the largest such population in Western Europe.

Months of debate

The report follows months of public debate, including President Nicolas Sarkozy's intervention, saying all-encompassing veils were "not welcome in France".

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However, he did not explicitly call for a ban, saying "no-one should feel stigmatised" by any eventual law.

Opinion polls suggest a majority of French people support a full ban.

However, the parliamentary deputies have recommended that - for now - restrictions should be limited.

The committee suggests a ban inside public buildings, with those who defy the ban denied whatever services are on offer there - for example state benefits.

There are several types of headscarves and veils for Muslim women - those that cover the face being the niqab and the burka. In France, the niqab is the version most commonly worn.

The niqab usually leaves the eyes clear. It is worn with an accompanying headscarf and sometimes a separate eye veil.

The burka covers the entire face and body with just a mesh screen to see through.


Find out about different styles of Muslim headscarf

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The issue has divided France's political parties.
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
The Socialist opposition has come out officially against a ban, saying it would be difficult to enforce. It says it is opposed to full veils in principle, but some members have expressed fears about any ruling that could stigmatise Muslim women.

Meanwhile, the head of Mr Sarkozy's right-wing UMP party has already presented a bill in parliament supporting a full ban on grounds of security


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Ruh-roh, more fires in Paris this summer!
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Ruh-roh, more fires in Paris this summer!
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Hey my friend!!

No doubt..although as everyone knows its "Asian youths" who start the fires...lol
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Right...Asian youths...LOL!
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It seems like the people all across Western Europe is turning against the incompatibles and the perverted cult of multiculturalism, finally.

Lets hope and pray for widespread repatriation as soon as possible, and a short drop for our homegrown traitor scum.
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I've noticed that most of the time Obama seems to dress in the same way as does Ahmadinejad. Sports coat no tie. Hmm...
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I've noticed that most of the time Obama seems to dress in the same way as does Ahmadinejad. Sports coat no tie. Hmm...
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And if women were'nt allowed to vote, our spiralling descent into depravity and perversion of all that is true and good would never have happened. Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil.

Hmmm...
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How does everyone feel about the precedent this creates?

In a free state should the government government be able to tell people what they can wear?

Dicey issue really, you know how big brother is, give him an inch and he'll take a mile.

I don't support the Muslims, but I am afraid of giving government any powers at all.

Hmmm...

I suppose as a Libertarian I would have to vote against it if it ever came up in my own country.
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How does everyone feel about the precedent this creates?

In a free state should the government government be able to tell people what they can wear?

Dicey issue really, you know how big brother is, give him an inch and he'll take a mile.

I don't support the Muslims, but I am afraid of giving government any powers at all.

Hmmm...

I suppose as a Libertarian I would have to vote against it if it ever came up in my own country.
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A free state can not exist - nor is it supported - within the mediaval and primitive totalitarian mindset of the populace and doctrine of islam...

Heard of self-preservation?
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Good. It will smartly make them leave without firing a shot. I can't blame France from wanting their country back from these rotten house guests that never leave and end up killing you in your sleep and burning the house down. Just fuck em all to hell.
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easyest way to tell woman beating barbarian savages they cant live in a country anymore legally is to tell them they cant be woman beating barbarian savages anymore, at this point primitive instincts surface, combat, burning and beats ensure exposing there true nature of the religion of peace

the final step being, if it was any other country than france, you'd now have a very good reason to lock down, deport and or jail such people, preventing further immigration
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Good. It will smartly make them leave without firing a shot. I can't blame France from wanting their country back from these rotten house guests that never leave and end up killing you in your sleep and burning the house down. Just fuck em all to hell.
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As long as they get the fuck out of my country, so I can sleep well at night knowing that the inheritance of freedom, enlightenment and prosperity my ancestors fought and died for can be passed down to my descendants THROUGH MY GENERATION relatively undisturbed, I'll be happy.

But hell is from whence they came, I guess...
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A free state can not exist - nor is it supported - within the mediaval and primitive totalitarian mindset of the populace and doctrine of islam...

Heard of self-preservation?
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Yeah, I get that.

It's a tough call, maybe they should have approached it from a security standpoint, like underneath the tent you can't tell who that person is and it could be anyone with any intentions or something.

But to just support straight out that the government can come in and tell any one minority that they can't wear a certain thing...

I just don't know about that.

Today it's habibi, but tomorrow it might be my kids rock concert tee shirt or a nuns penguin suit or a preists collar or a Rabbi's curly-Q's or something.

Once you give the government any type of crack they just blast the thing wide open and it comes back to bite you in a thousand different ways that you never thought about later.

Who knows.
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while i think that people should dress the way they want, i do agree with THIS: "It is the symbol of the repression of women, and... of extremist fundamentalism."

but it should start with enforcing immigration laws and requiring some sort of basic assimilation into the french culture
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Not to hijack your thread but this is being suggested in the U.K. as well.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]


The burka and other face-covering veils worn by Muslim women should be banned, the UK Independence Party says.
Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who leads UKIP's 13 MEPs in Brussels, told the BBC's Politics Show they were a symbol of an "increasingly divided Britain".
He also said they "oppressed" women and were a potential security threat.
But Schools Secretary Ed Balls said it was "not British" to tell people what to wear in the street, and accused UKIP of indulging in "unpleasant politics".
Some European countries, including France, are debating banning the burka, but the issue has sparked controversy when it has been raised in the UK.
UKIP is the first British party to call for a total ban, after the BNP called for it to be banned in Britain's schools.

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Why don't they start with mandatory bathing once per day.

That way, everyone - Muslim men and women AND French men and women would face the same horror together. It would create some much-needed unity.
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Good. It will smartly make them leave without firing a shot. I can't blame France from wanting their country back from these rotten house guests that never leave and end up killing you in your sleep and burning the house down. Just fuck em all to hell.

They came here much like the illegal Mexicans i the US , they were welcomed to take the low paying jobs that employers had a hard time filling in a time of prosperity.Then when the economy slows or they have been here a few generations the problems ensue.
One of the main problems i have seen here is the second generation muslim guy "importing" wife in from the sticks of Morocco or Algeria or what have you because the other muslim second generation women are too independent and assimilated into french culture.
I doubt this will slippery slope into a dress code issue, the french are pretty laissez-faire about dress at work especially, i have been helped by many a punk rock chick in government agencies here.
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It seems like the people all across Western Europe is turning against the incompatibles and the perverted cult of multiculturalism, finally.

Lets hope and pray for widespread repatriation as soon as possible, and a short drop for our homegrown traitor scum.
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multi-culturalism does not work.
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Wow ..... Viva la France
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Good. It will smartly make them leave without firing a shot. I can't blame France from wanting their country back from these rotten house guests that never leave and end up killing you in your sleep and burning the house down. Just fuck em all to hell.

They came here much like the illegal Mexicans i the US , they were welcomed to take the low paying jobs that employers had a hard time filling in a time of prosperity.Then when the economy slows or they have been here a few generations the problems ensue.
One of the main problems i have seen here is the second generation muslim guy "importing" wife in from the sticks of Morocco or Algeria or what have you because the other muslim second generation women are too independent and assimilated into french culture.
I doubt this will slippery slope into a dress code issue, the french are pretty laissez-faire about dress at work especially, i have been helped by many a punk rock chick in government agencies here.
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Bullshit. It started out as a migration of young men posing as working immigrants, but the mass migration was both encouraged by muslim doctrine and clerics, and partially forced upon us under threat of oil-embargos. And as soon as they became aware and educated about our wellfare systems, the tsunami of village idiots arriwed through the foothold gained by the first "workers".

This is from islamic point of view a migration of conquest, through both the migrants themselves and the wombs of their women. As stated and documented repeatedly, by the mullahs, imams and political leaders.

Well supported by everything from the braindead do-good leftists, to despiccable traitor multiculturalists and political and capitalistic globalists.

Kill 'em all.
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I've noticed that most of the time Obama seems to dress in the same way as does Ahmadinejad. Sports coat no tie. Hmm...
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I don't like Obama or Amadinejad, but the necktie comes from the Freemasons and is nothing more than cult garb - not to mention a useless article of clothing.
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Good for France. Women should not be forced to wear bags over their heads in a civilized country.
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CLASSIC DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS
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Bullshit. To divide something means that it was unified. The Muslim population has NEVER been unified with the REAL French.
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Bullshit. To divide something means that it was unified. The Muslim population has NEVER been unified with the REAL French.
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Well, this issue has driven a deep wedge into the previously rather homogenous indigenous people of many European countries, mainly along the lines of the traditional left/right political axis.

And "divide and conquer" tactics are closely and intimately bound to the tactics of "order through chaos". Both age old and well-proven elitistic means for holding onto power and isolate themselves from blame for their abuse of the people.

But signs of the time point to an unraveling, and personally I'm hoping to see a French style good old peoples revolution with lots of head-rolling soon.

Literally.
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Good. It will smartly make them leave without firing a shot. I can't blame France from wanting their country back from these rotten house guests that never leave and end up killing you in your sleep and burning the house down. Just fuck em all to hell.

They came here much like the illegal Mexicans i the US , they were welcomed to take the low paying jobs that employers had a hard time filling in a time of prosperity.Then when the economy slows or they have been here a few generations the problems ensue.
One of the main problems i have seen here is the second generation muslim guy "importing" wife in from the sticks of Morocco or Algeria or what have you because the other muslim second generation women are too independent and assimilated into french culture.
I doubt this will slippery slope into a dress code issue, the french are pretty laissez-faire about dress at work especially, i have been helped by many a punk rock chick in government agencies here.


Bullshit. It started out as a migration of young men posing as working immigrants, but the mass migration was both encouraged by muslim doctrine and clerics, and partially forced upon us under threat of oil-embargos. And as soon as they became aware and educated about our wellfare systems, the tsunami of village idiots arriwed through the foothold gained by the first "workers".

This is from islamic point of view a migration of conquest, through both the migrants themselves and the wombs of their women. As stated and documented repeatedly, by the mullahs, imams and political leaders.

Well supported by everything from the braindead do-good leftists, to despiccable traitor multiculturalists and political and capitalistic globalists.

Kill 'em all.
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Look I am not for the invasion , so no need to be nasty.I was just repeating what has been told to me from older french who were here during the golden years. I am actually really open to hearing some other points of view from different French people. Most of the people in my area are older. If you are french you should know that if you do not have a french parent you are not automatically granted citizenship, even if you are born on french soil, this is a page that i think america should use and make our own law.
They are also going into schools and checking for papers and recently deported a illegal Moroccan kid who had been here 13 years. I support this.
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western arrogance, stupidity and hypocrisy at work:

- "lets free these women by forbidding them to wear the clothes they want".

i know some muslim women at work, they want to wear those muslim apparel even though their husbands, boyfriends, family are against it. i even experiened it during lunch one time, when her husband tried to take it off her head and she started getting really angry about it.

most WANT to wear it themselves. and now they can be denied entry to working places and schools even....you know what this mean?

they told me themselves; muslim women will not go to school and work anymore....nice job, drones. you are doing exactly what you accuse the muslim men of doing...inhibiting the freedoms of these women.

you do not care 1 bit about these women and their 'rights'. to you they are muslim scum too. you just want special laws against muslims tp piss them off or make them leave, etc. admit it instead of being cowards about it.

and while we are at it, i live in antwerpen...there we have many jews walking around like they they are from some satanic cult. with their black coats, hats and idiotic looking hair. we should ban them too because it is expression of a racist religion and i do not want to see this.
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good muslims would follow the laws of the land, yet they choose to separate themselves. ban it.
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This is just political makeup to cover up for the effects of the disintegration of the international economy
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And if women were'nt allowed to vote, our spiralling descent into depravity and perversion of all that is true and good would never have happened. Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil.
Hmmm...
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What a drivel! Dumbass are you hard drunk?
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I don't like Obama or Amadinejad, but the necktie comes from the Freemasons and is nothing more than cult garb - not to mention a useless article of clothing.
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offical sources state necktie is some relict from Croatia. But IT IS A PIECE OF BOTHERING SHIT!!!

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