THE RETURN OF THE DESTROYER, NIBIRU, PLANET X, DRAGON, DARK STAR, BROWN DWARF, ECT... | |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 03/07/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Tuff~Kooky And TBar put together that YouTube diagram replacing Harrington's?? lol omg... Newflash genius, anyone can make a diagram of Harrington's hypothetical Planet X's orbit. He published the orbital elements of his hypothetical planet, using that data anyone, ANYONE who knows what they're doing can create a diagram of it. [link to i319.photobucket.com] Oh look, I just diagrammed Harrington's orbit. No response? Typical. Lol, you're funny Astro....you know that's the point, TBar does know what he's doing. If you're implying he or I are lying, it's up to you to prove it. I just don't don't have 100% trust of just anyone remaking Harrington's analysis anyway. Quoting: kookyGenerating an orbital diagram using Harrington's own data isn't "remaking Harrington's analysis." You could do it yourself if you were even halfway competent on the subject. Harrington probably had more details to that, but I'm sure that's all gone, if not locked up Quoting: kookyin Iron Mountain somewhere or somewhere similar. The details are all right there in the paper that TBar presented, discussed, and linked to. And I'm not so sure either if Harrington's Planet X theory is not true either. Quoting: kookyI am. Thread: Robert Harrington's Planet X Does Not Exist Show me where I'm wrong. Or is Planet X/Nibiru a Dwarf Star of some kind? Quoting: kookyThat would make it even more massive and even more wrong. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/07/2012 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People that actually think there is a brown dwarf anywhere near our solar system should learn the scientific method: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102 1. Ask a Question 2. Do Background Research 3. Construct a Hypothesis 4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment 5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion 6. Communicate Your Results Apparently all you nibirutards think you can just skip 4 and 5. Hypotheses pertain to scientific laws and theories, which can be used to make predictions about future events. The existence of objects are simply facts that are the basis for scientific observation from which laws and theories are derived. Objects (if they exist) are simply empirical facts. One doesn't prove such facts by conducting experiments. (What kind of "experiment" would you run to prove the existence of the moon?) One proves the existence of objects with evidence such as photos (or sometimes indirect evidence, such as their influence on other objects as in the case of sub-atomic particles). Photographic proof is exactly what Alberto has done. Duh. Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. In other words, the important thing (from your point of view) is to make sure no one looks at the photos. Or if they do, that they come to the conclusion that they mean nothing. Nice try, fuckwit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/07/2012 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. That's these photos right here that the debunkers don't want you to see... [link to poleshift.ning.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12089005 Croatia 03/07/2012 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. That's these photos right here that the debunkers don't want you to see... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 [link to poleshift.ning.com] too fishy to be true go outside and make the photo, see if there is something on it I don't think so |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People that actually think there is a brown dwarf anywhere near our solar system should learn the scientific method: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102 1. Ask a Question 2. Do Background Research 3. Construct a Hypothesis 4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment 5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion 6. Communicate Your Results Apparently all you nibirutards think you can just skip 4 and 5. Hypotheses pertain to scientific laws and theories, which can be used to make predictions about future events. The existence of objects are simply facts that are the basis for scientific observation from which laws and theories are derived. Objects (if they exist) are simply empirical facts. One doesn't prove such facts by conducting experiments. (What kind of "experiment" would you run to prove the existence of the moon?) One proves the existence of objects with evidence such as photos (or sometimes indirect evidence, such as their influence on other objects as in the case of sub-atomic particles). Photographic proof is exactly what Alberto has done. Duh. Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. In other words, the important thing (from your point of view) is to make sure no one looks at the photos. Or if they do, that they come to the conclusion that they mean nothing. Nice try, fuckwit. What? No...not at all. The important thing is that people do REAL research and REAL science. Not half-assed "oh a photo must be reality". It is clear the scientific method is still over your head after your reply. |
Menow User ID: 11328206 United States 03/07/2012 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | P.S. That's these photos right here that the debunkers don't want you to see... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 [link to poleshift.ning.com] Hilarious! That's the same tactic Nancy has been using for some 15 years- pretending that debunkers are afraid of her "evidence". Why don't you just post that pic right here for everyone to see? I certainly don't care. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/07/2012 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People that actually think there is a brown dwarf anywhere near our solar system should learn the scientific method: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102 1. Ask a Question 2. Do Background Research 3. Construct a Hypothesis 4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment 5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion 6. Communicate Your Results Apparently all you nibirutards think you can just skip 4 and 5. Hypotheses pertain to scientific laws and theories, which can be used to make predictions about future events. The existence of objects are simply facts that are the basis for scientific observation from which laws and theories are derived. Objects (if they exist) are simply empirical facts. One doesn't prove such facts by conducting experiments. (What kind of "experiment" would you run to prove the existence of the moon?) One proves the existence of objects with evidence such as photos (or sometimes indirect evidence, such as their influence on other objects as in the case of sub-atomic particles). Photographic proof is exactly what Alberto has done. Duh. Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. I would try to re-explain your (and your loser friends') complete misunderstanding of the scientific method, but it would only cause you to embarrass yourselves further. So, best to leave you mumbling nervously amongst yourselves while those of us with a life will continue to enjoy that life and to only post to threads whose subjects interest us (and not those we only visit in order to make asses of ourselves). |
Tuff~Kooky User ID: 10846356 United States 03/07/2012 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 Hypotheses pertain to scientific laws and theories, which can be used to make predictions about future events. The existence of objects are simply facts that are the basis for scientific observation from which laws and theories are derived. Objects (if they exist) are simply empirical facts. One doesn't prove such facts by conducting experiments. (What kind of "experiment" would you run to prove the existence of the moon?) One proves the existence of objects with evidence such as photos (or sometimes indirect evidence, such as their influence on other objects as in the case of sub-atomic particles). Photographic proof is exactly what Alberto has done. Duh. Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. In other words, the important thing (from your point of view) is to make sure no one looks at the photos. Or if they do, that they come to the conclusion that they mean nothing. Nice try, fuckwit. What? No...not at all. The important thing is that people do REAL research and REAL science. Not half-assed "oh a photo must be reality". It is clear the scientific method is still over your head after your reply. Science definitely has it's place, but it's way too controlled to be 100% infallible 100% of the time, not to mention that it often unnecessarily complicates simple facts. People need to trust what their intuition tells them as well. Last Edited by Tuff~Kooky on 03/07/2012 04:16 PM |
Menow User ID: 11328206 United States 03/07/2012 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Science definitely has it's place, but it's way too controlled to be 100% infallible 100% of the time, Quoting: Tuff~Kooky not to mention that it often unnecessarily complicates simple facts. People need to trust what their intuition tells them as well. Yet another silly misrepresentation of the debunker postition that "science is 100% infallible 100% of the time". I notice that a lot of peoples "intuition" is telling them some really absurd things about how the sky, and objects in it should work/move while they completely ignore dozens of sources which would explain it to them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People that actually think there is a brown dwarf anywhere near our solar system should learn the scientific method: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102 1. Ask a Question 2. Do Background Research 3. Construct a Hypothesis 4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment 5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion 6. Communicate Your Results Apparently all you nibirutards think you can just skip 4 and 5. Hypotheses pertain to scientific laws and theories, which can be used to make predictions about future events. The existence of objects are simply facts that are the basis for scientific observation from which laws and theories are derived. Objects (if they exist) are simply empirical facts. One doesn't prove such facts by conducting experiments. (What kind of "experiment" would you run to prove the existence of the moon?) One proves the existence of objects with evidence such as photos (or sometimes indirect evidence, such as their influence on other objects as in the case of sub-atomic particles). Photographic proof is exactly what Alberto has done. Duh. Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. I would try to re-explain your (and your loser friends') complete misunderstanding of the scientific method, but it would only cause you to embarrass yourselves further. So, best to leave you mumbling nervously amongst yourselves while those of us with a life will continue to enjoy that life and to only post to threads whose subjects interest us (and not those we only visit in order to make asses of ourselves). I have zero misunderstanding of it. Please do point out where I do. Not that 'having a life' is relevant whatsoever but I can assure I have a great life and a great career. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102 Clearly this is over your head. You are supposed to test your hypothesis which is that a brown dwarf is near our solar system. Photos are not proof of anything, espeically with the strides photo editing software has made. You ask "how would you run an experiment to prove the moon exists". It is called gravity and orbital mechanics. We can test that the moon exists and has a certain mass by measuring the affect it has on tides and the earth. Sure you can take a picture of the moon but this isn't science, pictures are not even close to the 'end all be all' of the scientific method. The moon is a bad example because it is so close and obviously observable. Your pictures of a nibiru are not the same as they are not verifiable. Still, you are still taking an unscientific approach to a very scientifically sensitive claim. Let's assume the pictures you linked are in fact Nibiru. Why does this stop you from continuing your scientific method? The next step should be to test that it is indeed Nibiru beyond just a picture in the internet. In other words, the important thing (from your point of view) is to make sure no one looks at the photos. Or if they do, that they come to the conclusion that they mean nothing. Nice try, fuckwit. What? No...not at all. The important thing is that people do REAL research and REAL science. Not half-assed "oh a photo must be reality". It is clear the scientific method is still over your head after your reply. Science definitely has it's place, but it's way too controlled to be 100% infallible 100% of the time, not to mention that it often unnecessarily complicates simple facts. People need to trust what their intuition tells them as well. Too controlled? Science has to be controlled or it isn't science. Because you are claiming that science has to be "100% infallible 100% of the time" directly shows your misunderstanding of what science is and how it works. How does it over-complicate simple facts? It doesn't do that whatsoever....it actually specifically defines the simple facts. Almost everything you use on a daily basis is the result of science, your car, your lights, your computer, your toothpaste, your running water...everything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/07/2012 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, just to summarize folks: (1) Here are the photos in question, taken over the last couple of days. (2) The debunkers don't want you to look at the photos or think about them, so they're going on and on endlessly babbling about the scientific method, which they have only the most tenuous grasp of. (3) They do this because even they admit that they can't explain these photos and have made no attempt to do so. The best they can come up with is that "photos can be faked." (4) So, if you believe the photos are fakes, then by all means, ignore them. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unverifiable photos are not evidence of anything. You post photos and ask us to debunk them? Before that you have to prove that they are indeed photos of what you claim otherwise you are just playing god of the gaps. Basically you are saying that these photos are your only form of "evidence". Again, please point out where I am misunderstanding the scientific method because so far you have seemed to ignore following it at all. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 You are hopeless, or a troll...or both. I looked at them and gave you how they aren't what you claim they are. Gravity. Learn how it works and understand what would happen if there was a second sun or planet that close to our solar system. |
Tuff~Kooky User ID: 10846356 United States 03/07/2012 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut Newflash genius, anyone can make a diagram of Harrington's hypothetical Planet X's orbit. He published the orbital elements of his hypothetical planet, using that data anyone, ANYONE who knows what they're doing can create a diagram of it. [link to i319.photobucket.com] Oh look, I just diagrammed Harrington's orbit. No response? Typical. Lol, you're funny Astro....you know that's the point, TBar does know what he's doing. If you're implying he or I are lying, it's up to you to prove it. I just don't don't have 100% trust of just anyone remaking Harrington's analysis anyway. Quoting: kookyGenerating an orbital diagram using Harrington's own data isn't "remaking Harrington's analysis." You could do it yourself if you were even halfway competent on the subject. Harrington probably had more details to that, but I'm sure that's all gone, if not locked up Quoting: kookyin Iron Mountain somewhere or somewhere similar. The details are all right there in the paper that TBar presented, discussed, and linked to. And I'm not so sure either if Harrington's Planet X theory is not true either. Quoting: kookyI am. Thread: Robert Harrington's Planet X Does Not Exist * Show me where I'm wrong. Or is Planet X/Nibiru a Dwarf Star of some kind? Quoting: kookyThat would make it even more massive and even more wrong. * There is more than reasonable doubt in my mind, that the data you have to work with from Dr. Harrington may not only be inaccurate, but also INCOMPLETE. Quotes from source> [link to yowusa.com] ------------ >> " Planet X and the Mysterious Death of Dr. Robert Harrington " << by John DiNardo and Janice Manning ...." Dr. Robert S. Harrington, the chief astronomer of the U.S. Naval Observatory, died before he could publicize the fact that Planet X is approaching our Solar System..... .....In 1991, Dr. Robert S. Harrington, the chief astronomer of the U.S. Naval Observatory, took a puny 8-inch telescope to Black Birch, New Zealand, one of the few viewing points on Earth optimal for sighting Planet X, which he definitively calculated to be approaching from below the ecliptic at an angle of 40 degrees. However, the source below quotes Dr. Harrington as predicting 30 degrees, not 40..... ______ .....The Independent, September 18, 1990 Lexical priming and the properties of text, quotation of British newspaper, Dr Harrington says the most remarkable feature predicted for Planet X is that its orbit is tilted 30 degrees away from the ecliptic, the main plane of the solar system, where all previous searches have concentrated. His models also predict a greater distance from the Sun, about 10 billion miles, or between two or three times as distant as Pluto. ______ Back to >> " Planet X and the Mysterious Death of Dr. Robert Harrington " << by John DiNardo and Janice Manning ....By analyzing time-lapse photographs using the "blink comparison" technique, originated by famed Pluto discoverer, Clyde Tombaugh, Dr. Harrington proved that Planet X was indeed inbound into our Solar System. Harrington sent back reports of this ominous discovery, but died of what was reported to be esophageal cancer before he could pack up his telescope and come home to hold what would have been a highly publicized press conference...... (more here:) [link to yowusa.com] --------- Last Edited by Tuff~Kooky on 03/07/2012 06:19 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/07/2012 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 You are hopeless, or a troll...or both. I looked at them and gave you how they aren't what you claim they are. Gravity. Learn how it works and understand what would happen if there was a second sun or planet that close to our solar system. Okay, Opie, anything you say. Meanwhile, thanks for bumping the thread so that everyone has a chance to see the photos that somebody doesn't want them to look at. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3555102 United States 03/07/2012 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 You are hopeless, or a troll...or both. I looked at them and gave you how they aren't what you claim they are. Gravity. Learn how it works and understand what would happen if there was a second sun or planet that close to our solar system. Okay, Opie, anything you say. Meanwhile, thanks for bumping the thread so that everyone has a chance to see the photos that somebody doesn't want them to look at. Yep, you still go around my point. Typical of someone who doesn't understand the matter at hand. |
Menow User ID: 11328206 United States 03/07/2012 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, just to summarize folks: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 (1) Here are the photos in question, taken over the last couple of days. (2) The debunkers don't want you to look at the photos or think about them, so they're going on and on endlessly babbling about the scientific method, which they have only the most tenuous grasp of. (3) They do this because even they admit that they can't explain these photos and have made no attempt to do so. The best they can come up with is that "photos can be faked." (4) So, if you believe the photos are fakes, then by all means, ignore them. Actually, I said that they should be posted right here. How is that not wanting people to look at them? |
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Menow User ID: 11328206 United States 03/07/2012 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, just to summarize folks: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677020 (1) Here are the photos in question, taken over the last couple of days. (2) The debunkers don't want you to look at the photos or think about them, so they're going on and on endlessly babbling about the scientific method, which they have only the most tenuous grasp of. (3) They do this because even they admit that they can't explain these photos and have made no attempt to do so. The best they can come up with is that "photos can be faked." (4) So, if you believe the photos are fakes, then by all means, ignore them. If they are ignored, it's proof they are valid. If they are debunked it's proof they are valid right? I think you are the troll who produced them and are just trying to yank people's chains with them. If there are large objects near the sun ANYONE could take pics of them any day of the week and see them naked-eye. What a joke. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 03/07/2012 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, it's the god-awful fake again with Saturn's moon Dione. [link to www.daviddarling.info] It's really a shit job too, they just panned around a still image composite. You guys are really gullible. |
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Tuff~Kooky User ID: 10846356 United States 03/07/2012 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did anyone notice the moon tonight? The "man in the moon" face is tilted backwards again, this time more towards 12 o'clock. Last month the full moon "face" was tilted to about 1 o'clock, specifically the "eye" of the "face" - as before. Looking like more evidence to me. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 677020 United States 03/08/2012 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are photos of Nibiru moon swirls showing up near the sun, taken over the last couple of days. [link to poleshift.ning.com] So far, no response on these from debunkers except to try to get people not to look at them or to blame them on gravity (I can't remember if it was Opie or Pinhead that said that.) |