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Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

 
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Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
2 things the human race will have to combine and achieve before we evolve.

if we don't, it will be like a stagnant parasite within us all.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
FINALY

someone else gets it!

i'd rather see money BURN!!!
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Without a government, social contracts would spring up unto someone with more than another would have more to trade, but less to seek. They'll gain power over others and you will soon gain a government.

And money is another form of service for a service. How would you get food without trading for something? How would you trade for anything, without something?
You won't be able to, and the poor would die off. The middle class would slowly become poor, and die off. The rich would have everything, until they started drifting into wars to captures what others have.

If you are proposing anarchy, that is what you will get. If you are proposing a true form of communism, you will never get it. Humans are not ants, and never will be. And even ants are controlled by a leader.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Without a government, social contracts would spring up unto someone with more than another would have more to trade, but less to seek. They'll gain power over others and you will soon gain a government.

And money is another form of service for a service. How would you get food without trading for something? How would you trade for anything, without something?
You won't be able to, and the poor would die off. The middle class would slowly become poor, and die off. The rich would have everything, until they started drifting into wars to captures what others have.

If you are proposing anarchy, that is what you will get. If you are proposing a true form of communism, you will never get it. Humans are not ants, and never will be. And even ants are controlled by a leader.
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You create a resource-based economy along with an automated labor force and govern by reason and the scientific method. Don't elect people, elect ideas!

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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
clappa clappa clappa


DANE
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because he could only do a little.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Decentralized mutual credit is the answer.

[link to www.reinventingmoney.com]

[link to www.altruists.org]

[link to www.complementarycurrency.org]

Greco has at least two slide shows he uses for his talks in power point presentation software.

There is at least one highly effective ppp file at the altruist website along the same theme (avoiding centralized currency)

good luck
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On the Altruist download site, try also "economics"

[link to www.altruists.org]

You are looking for "Avoiding Centralized Money" and the number is AE 204, but you do not want the Korean version (unless you already speak and read that language)
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Through history, many things have been used as medium of exchange.

Here is some history: [link to projects.exeter.ac.uk]

Today's system uses interest bearing hypothecated debt as the fundamental system, however this grows the debt in an exponential manner.

Martenson points out the result in his series of you tubes:
[link to www.chrismartenson.com]

The other - very major - problem everyone misses is that the seigniorage is assigned to governments or to bankers, and that misappropriation is an error of axiomatic magnitude that amplifies itself down through time resulting in the problems we face today.

To balance the books, the money tokens - no matter what format they take - must have their face value assigned to the people who give value to the tokens. This assignment must take place at inception.

Any particular money token is a socially accepted mnemonic device. Narayana Kocherlakota points this out in his writing.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Neither will ever be acheived until the hidden powers at work in the world are terminated.
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Im down with that lets go you coming?Come on
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PROPS OP! Let's try to keep this thread on the front page for discussion.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Greco Slideshows:
[link to www.reinventingmoney.com]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Neither will ever be acheived until the hidden powers at work in the world are terminated.
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it will happen, the day the Ant workers don`t deliver food or will fight there wars and bring back the gods for the ant queen "elite" the will die slowly.

its just about to inform all about the system, where ever you can, and in all places...i do.


DANE
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Without a government, social contracts would spring up unto someone with more than another would have more to trade, but less to seek. They'll gain power over others and you will soon gain a government.

And money is another form of service for a service. How would you get food without trading for something? How would you trade for anything, without something?
You won't be able to, and the poor would die off. The middle class would slowly become poor, and die off. The rich would have everything, until they started drifting into wars to captures what others have.

If you are proposing anarchy, that is what you will get. If you are proposing a true form of communism, you will never get it. Humans are not ants, and never will be. And even ants are controlled by a leader.
 Quoting: Zerocyber


Anarchy is merely libertarian socialism; that is, pure communism.

It has nothing to do with ants; that's colonialism, which is a form of Imperialism, which is pure Capitalism.

You seem to have it all backwards; think about what is being proposed before posting again.
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02/03/2010 05:23 PM
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Credit as a Public Utility: the Key to Monetary Reform Richard C. Cook
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
[link to www.richardccook.com]

Check out the new website for the local currency system in Roanoke, Virginia at [link to www.OurNokies.org]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Starve the beast. No more bottomfeeders (government, military, police, bankers, lawyers) running things.

Those with ideas and ingenuity shall rule.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
JW Smith books: [link to www.ied.info]

The following JW Smith books may be read free online:

Money, a Mirror Image of the [physical] Economy: [link to www.ied.info]

Economic Democracy: [link to www.ied.info]

Cooperative Capitalism: [link to www.ied.info]
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Michael Journal & Salvation Island (Two Versions)

(1) [link to www.michaeljournal.org]

(2) [link to www.prolognet.qc.ca]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Search for Auriti, the Ownership of Money and Induction of Value.

The complete piece is at Gold is Money dot info, and the thread is: t=100359
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An honest bank is so simple you could run it; from JW Smith:
[link to www.ied.info]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
A video: [link to www.econstories.tv]

Econ rap - Keynes vs Hayek

flawed, but entertaining
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Search string (test post)
Kondratieff Merry go Round site: eat_shit_paladin
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Too bad, and I liked Pallidin (you are too young)
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Search string - google:

[link to www.google.com]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Just like Haiti with no real government?
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02/03/2010 07:00 PM
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Seashells and Tallysticks !


Avast Ye Buckeneers(sp!)

wonder how those Tallysticks were stored/protected, and who made them, etc.

FACINATING that hardly ANYBODY knows how value was determined for HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS !!!!

dontcha think ?
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Just like Haiti with no real government?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 876020

How are they doing things in Somalia?

I understand they have cell phone coverage there.

To see things outside of the box, first you need the courage to step out of the box.

And believe me; the real box is in your own head, and you have been taught that should a crack appear in the walls that you quickly cover the crack lest some light come in.

Watch some Molyneux videos; they will help.
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
Prof. Blain, U of S. Illinois (retired) on time as money:

[link to www.hourmoney.org]
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Local Exchange Trading System:
[link to www.lets-linkup.com]
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
International Journal For Community Currency Research:

[link to www.uea.ac.uk]

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