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NO! NO! NO!

*** GET RID OF THE G#D D@MN LAWYERS ***

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Yeahhhhh...get rid of money and government....there you go! So idiots like you can murder, rape, steal and declare that they kings of the world.
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I trim tress! I am king!....No! I drive a bulldozer and work construction! I am king!....NO!!! I am a redneck, crazy asshole who welds, pours concrete AND trims trees, and I drive a cement truck! I AM THE KING!!!!
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Errrr...NO THANKS...
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Allonge and Stellionate

These are terms associated with financial crimes (stellionate is selling the same thing to more than one buyer); allonge is a tracking document usually attached to a bill of exchange.

We may hear more of this with the MERS mess and with the multiple paper claims on commodities - especially the metal gold.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with these terms.

Here is one hit for allonge: [link to www.wisegeek.com]

One of many hits for stellionate: [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
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Usufruct

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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From Quest University, Squamish, BC (Just north of Vancouver) and the International Journal for community currency research: [link to www.uea.ac.uk]

Jonathan Warner on a modern version of stamp scrip.

[link to www.uea.ac.uk]
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MAN'S LAW; not the Law of the Almighty. And to cite "moses" as a substantiation of this is ridiculous. He was a pharaoh and served the very same EVIL system that needs to be eliminated. Thus, this system is more of the same, nothing different.
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The Rothschild Family - London 2) The Rothschild Family - Berlin 3) The Lazard Brothers - Paris 4) Israel Seiff - Italy 5) Kuhn-Loeb Company - Germany 6) The Warburgs - Amsterdam 7) The Warburgs - Hamburg 8) Lehman Brothers - New York 9) Goldman & Sachs - New York 10) The Rockefeller Family - New York

Now I don't know about you, but something is terribly wrong with this situation. Namely, don't we live in AMERICA? If so, why are seven of the top ten stockholders located in FOREIGN countries? That's 70%! To further convey how screwed-up this system is, Jim Marrs provides the following data in his phenomenal book, "Rule By Secrecy."

He says that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which undeniably controls the other eleven Federal Reserve branches, is essentially controlled by two financial institutions:
1) Chase-Manhattan (controlled by the Rockefellers) - 6,389,445 shares - 32. - 3%
2) Citbank - 4,051,851 shares - 20. - 5%

Thus, these two entities control nearly 53% of the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Doesn't that boggle your mind? Now, considering how many trillions of dollars are involved here, and how the bankers are WAY above our "selected" officials in Washington, D.C., do you think the above-listed banks and families have an inordinate amount of say-so in how our country is being run? The answer is blindingly apparent.

Where does the money come from?

We all know that the Federal Reserve CORPORATION prints money - then loans it, at interest, to our government. But wait until you see what a total scam this process is. But before we get to the meat of this issue, let's remember one thing about the very essence of banking - primarily that money should have some type of standard upon which its value is based. In the case of America, we operate on what is called a "gold standard" (i.e. our money is backed by gold).

So, with that in mind, let's look at how money is actually created, and at what cost. If the Federal Reserve wants to print 1,000 one-hundred ($100) bills, their total cost for ink, paper, plates, labor, etc. would be approximately $23.00 (according to Davvy Kidd in "Why A Bankrupt America"). Now, if you do the math, the total cost of 10,000 bills would be $230.00 ($.023 x 10,000). But, and here's the catch - 10,000 $100 bills equals $1,000,000! So, the Federal Reserve can "create" a million dollars, then LEND it to the U.S. Government (with interest) for a total cost of $230.

00! That's not a bad deal, huh!

The banking industry calls this process "seignorage." I call it outright THEFT. Why? Well, regardless of the immense profit margin ($1,000,000 for $230), plus the huge interest payments, our government then needs to STEAL the American people's money to payoff their debts via a Mob-like agency called the IRS. So the bankers steal from the government, then the government turns around and steals from the people. I'm no genius, but who do you think is getting screwed in this process? US - the people at the bottom rung of the ladder.

What's worse is that - now catch your breath - there's NO MORE gold left in Fort Knox! It's all gone. In other words, the GOLD STANDARD that our financial system was based upon is now an illusion. We can't convert our money into gold --- only other currency. The entire underlying basis for our money is now a lie - a sham. The Federal Reserve has become so arrogant that they've become a literal MONEY MAKING MACHINE, creating currency out of thin air! So that's where the Fed gets their money - they literally make it, then lend it to us so they can make even MORE money off of it.

Money As A Religion

The above-detailed process has become so ridiculous that William Grieder, former assistant managing editor of the Washington Post, wrote a book in 1987 entitled, "Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country" that details how the Controllers have conditioned us to accept this absurd situation.

To modern minds," he writes, "it seemed bizarre to think of the Federal Reserve as a religious institution. Yet the conspiracy theorists, in their own demented way, were on to something real and significant. The Fed did also function in the realm of religion. Its mysterious powers of money creation, inherited from priestly forebears, shielded a complex bundle of social and psychological meanings. With its own form of secret incantation, the Federal Reserve presided over awesome social ritual, transactions so powerful and frightening they seemed to lie beyond common understanding."

Mr. Grieder continues, "Above all, money was a function of faith. It required implicit and universal social consent that was indeed mysterious. To create money and use it, each one must believe, and everyone must believe. Only then did worthless pieces of paper take on value."

Do you get it? MONEY is an ILLUSION! Why? Because the gold standard upon which our money is supposed to be based has been eliminated. There's no more gold in Fort Knox. It's all GONE! Now, money really IS only paper!!! In the past, money was supposed to represent something of tangible value.
Now it's simply paper!

Taken one step further, many of us don't even use paper money any more! Why? Well, here's a scenario. Many places of employment directly deposit their employee's paychecks into the bank. Once the money is there, when bill time comes around, the person in question can write out a stack of checks to pay them. Plus, when they need gasoline they use a credit card; and groceries a debit card. If this person goes out for dinner on Friday night, they can charge the tab on their diner's card. But what about the tip? They simply scribble in the amount at the bottom of the check. So far, the person hasn't spent a single dollar bill. Plus, if you bring electronic banking into the picture, we've virtually eliminated the use for money.

And, God forbid, what happens when encoded microchips are implanted into the backs of our hand?

In essence, money has become nothing more than an illusion - an electronic figure or amount on a computer screen. That's it! As time goes on, we have an increasing tendency toward being sucked into this Wizard of Oz vortex of unreality. Think about it. Americans as a whole are carrying more personal debt than in any other time in history. Plus our government keeps going further and further into the hole, with no hope of ever crawling out. But we have less and less actual MONEY! We're being enslaved by the debt of electronic blips on a computer screen! And 70% of the banks that control this debt via the Federal Reserve exist in foreign countries! What in God's name is going on? As author William Bramley says, "The result of this whole system is MASSIVE debt at every level of society."

We're getting screwed in a sickening way, folks, and the people doing it are demented magician-priests that use the ILLUSION of money as their control device. And I hate to say it, but if we allow things to keep going as they are, the situation will only get worse. Our only hope ... ONLY HOPE ... is to immediately take drastic action and remedy this crime.
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from Thread: KABOOM!!! REFERRAL OF CHASE HOME MORTGAGE AND MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS, INC. TO FEDERAL PROSECUTOR (Page 4)
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I don't generally spend much time wailing about the present system. The poster above: *Shaun* has a thread about the federal reserve (not federal, no reserve) here:

Thread: federal reserve banking system

My posts are generally about creating a better alternative.
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Mises is the monetary crank; Gesell the genius.

Mises: [link to mises.org] (55 megabytes)
[link to mises.org] (html version available)

Gesell: [link to www.appropriate-economics.org]

[link to www.appropriate-economics.org] (less than 1 megabyte in zip format)

PDF: [link to www.geokey.de]

Gresham's law: [link to www.columbia.edu]

Auriti died several years ago; this is his writing: [link to www.moneymaker.com]
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Andrew Lowd Hours [link to www.andrewlowd.com]

Related material; Ithaca Hours: [link to www.lightlink.com]

and: [link to www.ithacahours.com]
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Social Credit, the brainchild of Major Clifford Douglas

Major C. H. (Clifford Hugh) Douglas MIMechE, MIEE, (20 January 1879 to 29 September 1952), was a British engineer and pioneer of the Social Credit economic reform movement. More: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Social Credit, 1934, Major Clifford Douglas [link to www.douglassocialcredit.com]
Social Credit - the book - [link to www.mondopolitico.com]
A library of social credit related material: [link to www.alor.org]
Buy the books: [link to www.douglassocialcredit.com]


Asses in Clover: [link to www.douglassocialcredit.com] /

Introduction to Social Credit -- Economics Bryan W. Monahan
[link to www.alor.org]

Whole World in Debt Chains -- C. H.Douglas
[link to www.alor.org]

Social Credit websites:
[link to www.alor.org]

C.H. Douglas: Pioneer of Monetary Reform Richard C. Cook
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]

About Clifford Hugh Douglas, the genius who discovered Social Credit. Louis Even
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Thoughts of Douglas
[link to www.alor.org]

The Use of Social Credit
[link to www.alor.org]

Hear C. H. Douglas (1934) on "The Causes of War"
[link to douglassocialcredit.com]

Breakdown of the Employment System C.H. Douglas
[link to www.alor.org]

Social Credit puts money in its proper place. Louis Even
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Social Credit, for a healthy economy. Louis Even
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Social Credit: not Socialism, not a political party. A. Pilote
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Our economic liberation through Social Credit. Louis Even
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Social Credit, a scientific technique of finance. Gilberte Côté-Mercier
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

A brief outline of Social Credit. Vic Bridger
[link to www.michaeljournal.org]

Clifford Hugh Douglas - Social Credit(1924)
[link to www.mondopolitico.com] /

Michael Journal & Salvation Island (Two Versions)(1) [link to www.michaeljournal.org] (2) [link to www.prolognet.qc.ca]



Credit as a Public Utility: the Key to Monetary Reform Richard C. Cook
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]
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Andrew Lowd Hours [link to www.andrewlowd.com]

Related material; Ithaca Hours: [link to www.lightlink.com]

and: [link to www.ithacahours.com]
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Hour Money by Prof. Blain University of Southern Illinois (retired): [link to www.hourmoney.org]
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Economic Shock Therapy for Wall Street:

Mortgage Lenders Could Soon be Falling like Dominos

JP Morgan suspends 56,000 foreclosures, GMAC and BOA

by Ellen Brown

copywrite story: [link to www.globalresearch.ca]

Live links at the site

Video: Rep. Alan Grayson (Florida) Explains the Foreclosure Fraud Crisis www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnHLDeedVg
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It is nice to see the Tennessee sons of Liberty supporting my thesis by quoting Yochai Benkler. Of course, if you go back to page 18 of this thread, you will discover I have acknowledged his work there.

[link to www.tennesseesonsofliberty.com]

This part
"Fascinating piece about the decentralized nature of online content publishing and how the Information Revolution will soon amplify worldwide productivity. Of additional note, one can actually open-source the global economy by ending legal tender laws and bringing the 21st-century monetary technology of Competition in Currency to bear. We have the algorithms to make it work in an introconvertible consumer standard at the retail counter. There is no reason to continue to force consumers to work for, save, and exchange goods in currencies that instantly lose value based on the whims of the world's most unsuccessful and shortsighted bankers. "- Hypotenuse
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Is faulty. This part There is no reason to continue to force consumers to work for, save, and exchange goods in currencies that instantly lose value... mainly.

The central thesis of Gesell is that any money is a claim on value held elsewhere and warehoused by someone other than yourself. Therefore the bearer should rebate against these costs and the cost of entropy.

ALL MONEY BEARERS SHOULD REBATE AGAINST VALUE HELD ON THEIR BEHALF

There is the question that I regard as valid whether the symbolic hypothecation of the promissory note should also bear a demurrage charge as this is evidence of value to be delivered in the future and thus no entropy exists nor are there storage costs.

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Two paragraphs from a five page word document directly from Fekete February 10, 2009:

Liquidation value

Perpetual debt is more than toxic. It behaves like nuclear fuel: once the threshold is reached and exceeded, chain reaction sets in and the monetary system explodes. To understand the dynamics, we need to refer to the liquidation value of perpetual debt. This is a concept that, for obvious reasons, is not recognized by mainstream economists. If it were, they would be far more careful with their recommendation of unlimited government spending as panacea for all economic ills. Recognized or not, the liquidation value of debt acts as a danger sign warning policy-makers that the threshold is approached and the creation of more debt will expose the economy to unacceptable dangers, in particular, that of runaway inflation.

Burden of debt

The liquidation value of debt is the amount that would liquidate it here and now. It obviously depends on the rate of interest. The liquidation value of total debt is inversely proportional to the prevailing rate of interest. In particular, halving the rate of interest by the central bank is equivalent to doubling the liquidation value of total debt.

I have been writing about this Iron Law of the Burden of the Debt for many a year and have met with an almost total lack of understanding, judging by the feedback from readers. The lack is due to the reluctance of the mind to admit that cutting interest rates increases the burden of debt contracted in the past, because it contradicts one’s intuitive expectation that at the same time it should decrease the burden of debt to be contracted in the future. To be sure, cutting interest rates does increase the burden of debt contracted in the past because liquidation value is calculated by capitalizing the stream of future interest payments. Since at the lower rate the present value of that stream is smaller, a shortfall is created that has to be amortized upon liquidation.

Fekete is mentioned on pages 5,6,13, & 18 of this thread.
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YOU DON'T GET IT!

THEY DIDN'T LEND YOU ANY MONEY!
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This statement made on page 8 of this thread: Thread: MERS/MBS/Foreclosure Goes RICO - CLASS ACTION SUIT (Page 8) is half true, half untrue.

It is true if you define money as gold and/or silver or warehouse receipts redeemable in gold and/or silver.

However, if you accept that credit can serve as money (I do accept that), then it is untrue.

However, whose credit was loaned? You see, the bank is prohibited by law from loaning their own credit. So then, we must ask just whose credit was loaned?

YOU MUST READ THE MANDRAKE MECHANISM TO LEARN HOW THE BANK HYPOTHECATED YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE AND RENDERED IT INTO MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE

[link to www.google.com]

You see, the federal reserve note creditory money system is already a mutual credit system, however the bookkeeping entries are flawed by design and with intent.

The credit in circulation is already the property of the people, however the banks have claimed the seigniorage for themselves. This is a theft of horrendous proportions is the root cause of the fact that ownership of all the wealth is ending up in fewer and fewer hands.


Creditary economics (I prefer creditory) is briefly discussed with links provided on this page:

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 19)

The guys on the yahoo list gang-8 are experts, most with PhDs, but they will not recognize that the credit is the property of all producers of value or of all the people collectively.

Gang-8: [link to finance.groups.yahoo.com]

Closely associated websites: [link to www.credec.org] and [link to wfhummel.cnchost.com] (These sites are run by gang-8 members L Randall Wray & William F Hummel)

Social Credit as a concept advanced by Major Clifford Douglas is linked on page 20: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 20)

I regard the Douglas model as somewhat valid, but also flawed.

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The Public Credit Should be Managed as a Public Utility; This Provides the Key to Monetary Reform

By Richard C. Cook: [link to www.globalresearch.ca]

Personally, I like mutual credit created in a decentralized model with local control. No complete model for this yet exists.

Thomas Greco has spoken all over the world and some of his talks are archived in various locations. The Power Point presentations he has developed to aid in his talks are archived here: [link to www.reinventingmoney.com]

You might also investigate his blogs: [link to beyondmoney.net] & [link to tomazgreco.wordpress.com]
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Richard Cook homepage: [link to www.richardccook.com]

Blog: [link to www.richardccook.com]

Just in case you miss it - he was the NASA engineer who tried to stop the launch of the Challenger because he was predicting the seals might fail.
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Securitization is illegal

[link to www.google.com]

Allonge and Stellionate are terms associated with financial crimes (stellionation is selling the same thing to more than one buyer); allonge is a tracking document usually attached to a bill of exchange.

We may hear more of this with the MERS mess and with the multiple paper claims on commodities - especially the metal gold.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with these terms.

Here is one hit for allonge: [link to www.wisegeek.com]

One of many hits for stellionate: [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

Securitzation 101: [link to stopforeclosurefraud.com]
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The price of gold and silver may be going up and the perceived value of both appreciating in the eyes of the public, but the real social phenomena is that of a loss of a religion.

The banks are the temple of this money religion, and the public is losing its faith.

Thus the replacement of of paper with tangibles.

This ties in with two economic phenomena known as "liquidity preference" and "zero point."

The very brief explanation is that people won't incur any further debt unless the interest rate was set to zero, and they prefer liquidity. Do your own search.
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Pretty good critique of Ellen Brown with links to other interesting and related material.

[link to www.lewrockwell.com]

Gary North is a gold advocate; not a position I support.
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Most US Americans will not have heard of polymer currency. This stuff is being produced in a number of nations now as an alternative to paper type currencies.

Here is Australia's "Securency" on the advantages of polymer for circulating notes: [link to www.securency.com.au]

There has been some sort of scandal associated with the Australian printer:

[link to www.google.com]
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Pretty good critique of Ellen Brown with links to other interesting and related material.

[link to www.lewrockwell.com]

Gary North is a gold advocate; not a position I support.
 Quoting: Levi Philos 590644


The specific link to the Ellen Brown critique:
[link to www.garynorth.com]

The link in the list to the Island of Guernsey critique titled "The island of Guernsey had fiat money without inflation." is flawed by a pair of parenthesis at the end. Just remove the parenthesis and the link is fine.

Here: [link to www.garynorth.com]

I have not read the book either (there is a book - rare and difficult to obtain), but what information I have indicates Dr Ellen Brown is more correct in this matter than Gary North.
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Securitization is illegal

[link to www.google.com]

Allonge and Stellionate are terms associated with financial crimes (stellionation is selling the same thing to more than one buyer); allonge is a tracking document usually attached to a bill of exchange.

We may hear more of this with the MERS mess and with the multiple paper claims on commodities - especially the metal gold.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with these terms.

Here is one hit for allonge: [link to www.wisegeek.com]

One of many hits for stellionate: [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

Securitzation 101: [link to stopforeclosurefraud.com]
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Dr Ellen Brown on the MERS situation: [link to www.webofdebt.com]

Ellen Brown on the tranche problem:
The top tranche is triple A because it includes the mortgages that did NOT default; but no one could know which those were until the defaults occurred, when the defaulting mortgages got assigned to the lower tranches and foreclosure went forward. That could explain why the mortgages could not be assigned to the proper group of investors immediately: the homes only fell into their designated tranches when they went into default. The clever designers of these vehicles tried to have it both ways by conveying the properties to an electronic dummy conduit called MERS (an acronym for Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems), which would hold them in the meantime. MERS would then assign them to the proper tranche as the defaults occurred. But the rating agencies required that the conduit be “bankruptcy remote,” which meant it could hold title to nothing; and courts have started to take notice of this defect. They are concluding that if MERS owns nothing, it can assign nothing, and the chain of title has been irretrievably broken. As foreclosure expert Neil Garfield traces these developments...
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Go to the link for more.
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The guys on the yahoo list gang-8 are experts, most with PhDs, but they will not recognize that the credit is the property of all producers of value or of all the people collectively.
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Yo Levi you are rocking this boat side to side brother and I for one appreciate that because we live on a slave ship.

Just like the slave ship of old, where humans up on deck be somewhat comfortable whilst horrors exist down in the hull with slaves stacked like cordwood for the journey (you lose a certain percentage, and in any case it takes the fight out of them) and the whipmasters are ready.

Each nation is a class society by Satanic design.

Each nation has taken the Auschwitz model to a higher level. We live in work camps, we play in the camp and we face the camps judgment.

But you haven't discussed hypnosis, as I have mentioned a few pages back. Hypnosis is the basis of all legal tender and medium of exchange. If the tribe accepts seashells, then it is a mental trigger which happens in that moment, suddenly, the shell becomes something else.

For a piece of paper to have value, either as debt (like the FRN) or as capital (demand notes) there are a host of other hypnotic and value-based mental triggers that need to get hit.

I think you are really adding great info to this thread but not enough psychology about the humans who depend upon the Govt's like mommy and daddy. How shall you make it such that they DO NOT NEED mommy and daddy anymore?

For your goals to be met, and for evil to loose traction, you would have to make the humans more awake and more desirous of moving beyond mommy and daddy, who "make the money".

So what I mean is that all your data may be good and useful, but it is trumped by the magic of authority, who can just by being "Daddy", get the plebes to obey. You need to attack why people enter trance and why they maintain it for themselves. Self maintaining, self-deepening trance is when a person tries to open their eyes but cannot as they have hypnotized themselves (or surrendered their will to the hypnotist) and so each moment that they try to break free (by opening their eyes, let's say) reinforces the fact that they CANNOT. There is confusion in the conscious mind of the hypnotized person but the conscious is subsumed so the confusion gives way to the deeper trance. So when they try to open their eyes, and cannot, that's when the hypnotist says "That's right, try, but you cannot open them!" so the subject deepens their own trance, making it even more so true that yes, they cannot open their eyes, until the right trigger is given, and the trance is lifted or ended.

Go back and read my comments on hypnosis and you will see that all the words of economists lose when faced with the simplicity of human trance states and the work which can be done by an army or nation, entranced so.
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The guys on the yahoo list gang-8 are experts, most with PhDs, but they will not recognize that the credit is the property of all producers of value or of all the people collectively.


Yo Levi you are rocking this boat side to side brother and I for one appreciate that because we live on a slave ship.

Just like the slave ship of old, where humans up on deck be somewhat comfortable whilst horrors exist down in the hull with slaves stacked like cordwood for the journey (you lose a certain percentage, and in any case it takes the fight out of them) and the whipmasters are ready.

Each nation is a class society by Satanic design.

Each nation has taken the Auschwitz model to a higher level. We live in work camps, we play in the camp and we face the camps judgment.

But you haven't discussed hypnosis, as I have mentioned a few pages back. Hypnosis is the basis of all legal tender and medium of exchange. If the tribe accepts seashells, then it is a mental trigger which happens in that moment, suddenly, the shell becomes something else.

For a piece of paper to have value, either as debt (like the FRN) or as capital (demand notes) there are a host of other hypnotic and value-based mental triggers that need to get hit.

I think you are really adding great info to this thread but not enough psychology about the humans who depend upon the Govt's like mommy and daddy. How shall you make it such that they DO NOT NEED mommy and daddy anymore?

For your goals to be met, and for evil to loose traction, you would have to make the humans more awake and more desirous of moving beyond mommy and daddy, who "make the money".

So what I mean is that all your data may be good and useful, but it is trumped by the magic of authority, who can just by being "Daddy", get the plebes to obey. You need to attack why people enter trance and why they maintain it for themselves. Self maintaining, self-deepening trance is when a person tries to open their eyes but cannot as they have hypnotized themselves (or surrendered their will to the hypnotist) and so each moment that they try to break free (by opening their eyes, let's say) reinforces the fact that they CANNOT. There is confusion in the conscious mind of the hypnotized person but the conscious is subsumed so the confusion gives way to the deeper trance. So when they try to open their eyes, and cannot, that's when the hypnotist says "That's right, try, but you cannot open them!" so the subject deepens their own trance, making it even more so true that yes, they cannot open their eyes, until the right trigger is given, and the trance is lifted or ended.

Go back and read my comments on hypnosis and you will see that all the words of economists lose when faced with the simplicity of human trance states and the work which can be done by an army or nation, entranced so.
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This is so flipping true. I've formally studied economics. The WHY of it all still amazes me. It's the authority behind it and a type of hypnosis. I keep wondering why the queen gets away with all she does. Why the Federal Reserve seriously RUNS everything (a little known fact), and yet NO ONE in congress has the hutspa to say anything. It's a huge farce that everyone maintains. I wonder if it because of forces beyond our control...
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Crazy stuff and so true.

I remember when the government was trying to push for support of the Afghanistan war. Someone in one of the big 3 national news TV stations (forget which one) began sending the notices that he was receiving from his higher-ups to a blogger. The notices revealed that any negative coverage of the war effort, like people protesting, should show people who are unattracive, like with prominent birthmarks/moles on their faces, or peoople who looked 'freaky.'

If soldiers were interviewed, they weren't to have any negative comments made by them. The soldiers were to be photogenic and clips were to be shown of them helping children or other altruistic acts.

There were to be no dead bodies shown on TV. No gore.

The US flag was supposed to be shown behind the newscaster everytime he talked about the war.

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