Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

that being said, the entire notion of having to purchase property, does seem a bit fucked up...

Origin of the Communication Theory of Money

It probably began with the Canadian Harold Innis:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Marshall McLuhan was a contemporary and colleague of Innis:
"His intellectual disciple and university colleague, Marshall McLuhan, lamented Innis's premature death as a disastrous loss for human understanding."

I have a couple of Marshall McLuhan's books and referenced them for the second time after reading what Prof. Robert Blaine (University of southern Illinois - retired) wrote about McLuhan:

"The symbols variable includes four types; speech, writing, numbers, and money. In that order, they carry decreasing amounts of information, increasing distances. The invention of writing reduced entropy because people could write their messages in a more durable form than the sound waves of spoken language. Simon Dinitz, a colleague at Ohio State, suggested that Marshall McLuhan´s, Understanding Media: Extensions of Man (1964) might be helpful to me. McLuhan suggested that money was a form of communication like speech and writing. Parsons also had suggested that money was a medium of communication, especially important in the transactions that occur between households and business firms. After reading a small paperback by a retired dentist, Dr. Edward Popp, Money: Bona Fide and Non-Bona Fide, (1970) I understood money as a medium of communication that conveyed less information than ordinary writing but longer information chain distances. This relation of money to speech and writing was reinforced by how easily the economic concepts of inflation and money velocity fit the paradigm. Inflation is loss of value, that is, loss of information, with money. Money velocity is the number of times money changes hands in a given time period, that is, information chain length."

Eric Harris-Braun is recognizing and speaking out about money as a communication:
[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Blog: [link to eric.harris-braun.com]

[link to metacurrency.org]

"When I was growing up in Ecuador, I remember being in the marketplace where I saw a man sitting at a table with a pen and paper. He was listening to a customer and was writing away like mad. I remember not understanding what that man was selling. Was he composing a poem on the spot? I couldn't imagine the visibly poor customer wanting a poem. So I asked my parents who told me that he was selling the writing itself; that the customer was illiterate and needed to send a letter and so would pay the man to write the letter. I remember being amazed by this at the time, but then forgot about it pretty quickly. This story comes back to me now that I've come to understand that almost all of us in the world are doing exactly the same thing as those illiterate customers I saw in my youth. We are illiterate and don't even know it. We don't recognize that there is a form of "writing" we hire others to do for us but could learn ourselves. This form of writing is the writing of wealth acknowledgments, and what we call it is money."

I am well aware of the current problems with MERS and was pointing toward future problems back ten years ago.

Study Bastiat first, then move up to Molyneux.

The problem isn't with the concept of personal ownership nor with principles of equitable interest.

I suspect that the land under buildings and the buildings above might be better thought of as two separate packages (and in many commercial agreements actually is)

It becomes difficult and a source of much contention when sound principles are mixed with unsound principles.

I probably have several links to discussions on this forum where I mentioned stellination and allonge.

See page 20 of this thread.


Allonge and Stellionate are terms associated with financial crimes (stellionation is selling the same thing to more than one buyer); allonge is a tracking document usually attached to a bill of exchange.

We may hear more of this with the MERS mess and with the multiple paper claims on commodities - especially the metal gold.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with these terms.

Here is one hit for allonge: [link to www.wisegeek.com]

One of many hits for stellionate: [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

Securitzation 101: [link to stopforeclosurefraud.com]

Conspiracy theory roadmap:

[link to realcurrencies.files.wordpress.com]

Brief extractions from this page:

[link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]

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The Illuminati Jewish bankers who were promoting Communism and had organized the Bolshevik Revolution were aware that many observers were beginning to connect the dots and to notice the importance of the Jewish involvement in Communism. Thus, in order to deflect criticism, they sought to show that there were Jews against Communism.

AND

It was Miller who introduced Luhnow to Austrian economist Friedrich von Hayek and convinced him to bring Hayek to Chicago. Miller went on to oversee the activities of the Volker Fund and attended the first Mont Pelerin Society meeting. In fact, both the Volker Fund and the Rockefeller Foundation supported the Mont Pelerin gatherings for over a decade.

Miller and Luhnow pulled out all the stops in bringing Milton Friedman and Hayek to Rockefeller-controlled University of Chicago. As pointed out by scholars Philip Mirowski and Robert Van Horn, “Luhnow and the Volker officers were not mere accessories to the rise of the Chicago school: they were hands-on players, determined and persistent in making every dollar count.”

AND

As we have shown in previous articles, the Illuminati elites did not merely provide financial support for both sides of the dialectic. Indeed, the Jesuits a.k.a Illuminati formulated the ideological content that led to the modern versions of both Libertarianism and Communism. Moreover, both movements were corrupted by Satanic influences.

Forty nine minute mp3 interview - well worth the listen:
[link to cdn.counter-currents.com]

Neither the interviewed guest from the Netherlands (not much accent) nor the host is familiar to me.

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Thomas Greco blogs: [link to lucas2012infos.wordpress.com]

"Your Money Power":

The vast majority of people remain unaware of it, but the fact is, we have in our own hands, right now, the power to create or completely transcend money. As I’ve been preaching for many years, money is nothing more than credit, i.e., the willingness to trust that the value we provide as sellers of goods and services will be reciprocated when we become buyers. But, as we are now becoming so painfully aware, our trust in conventional political currencies and banks has been misplaced; we have been betrayed. It’s not only a matter of fraud and malfeasance, bad as that is, rather, the entire system was designed from the very start to enable the few to exploit the many.

Continue reading →

Beyond Money; Devoted to the liberation of money and credit, and the restoration of the commons.

[link to beyondmoney.net]

Anthony Migchels lives in Arnhem, the Netherlands. He started the Gelre, the first regional currency in the Netherlands. His blog is [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com] which raises awareness of monetary matters, most notably the nefarious implications of interest, as a way of empowering people and the commonwealth in their struggle against the Money Power.

Topics:

* How Mutual Credit Works
* The Goals of Monetary Reform [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]
* Why Banking must be interest free [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]
* How interest is a wealth transfer from the poor to rich. [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]
* How the government creates the monopoly with the legal tender laws and hands it over to the private banking cartel.
* Other Monetary Reform Movements such as the Greenbackers, Public Banking, and Social Credit
* A comprehensive critique of Austrian Economics [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]
* How Libertarianism is controlled opposition. [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]
* Is Anti-Usury Activism Anti-Semitic? [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com] How it became associated with fascism after WWII
* Why there isn’t a strong populist movement? The phony left-right paradigm represented by Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party
* The Euro Crisis [link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]

I have posted before that there was a chain of connections;
From Ezra Pound => Eustace Mullins => G Edward Griffin

But the information and ideas about monetary reform that Ezra Pound was advocating never made their way down the chain to Griffin.

[link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]

Ezra Pound was never insane; it was basically political retribution for his broadcasts from Italy during WWII in English to the American, English, Australian, and Canadian forces fighting the axis powers. Ezra Pound was an anti-Semite who also bitterly attacked the money powers of his day.

Ezra Pound was a political prisoner held in an insane asylum and his health was failing. Eustace Mullins interceded on his behalf and was able to get Pound released.

Ezra Pound had visited Worgl Austria and studied the concepts that Silvio Gesell had developed and promoted. There is no doubt in my mind that Pound conveyed his knowledge to Mullins, but the knowledge was lost before reaching Griffin.

There is much in Austrian Economics that is correct, however, Mises never comprehended the importance of Worgl.

Consequently, I have written that a deep belief in Austrian Economics is part of the problem.

Hugo Salinas Price of Mexico wants to bring back silver coinage: [link to www.gold-eagle.com] and Fekete writes: "THE MARGINAL UTILITY OF SILVER" [link to www.gold-eagle.com] which is related to the Price writing.

Silver is one of the common metals that have been historically used as money.

At the bottom of this page: [link to rhetoricaldevice.com]

we find discussion of the first coinage of precious metals.

However, within the framework of a communication theory of money the validity of Narayana Kocherlakota's input is recognized. Any money token no matter the composition is a socially accepted mnemonic device.

Money is social memory.

Nothing I have written recommends that gold and silver coins cannot nor should not be used; it is just that you are limiting yourself conceptually if you do not step beyond that point.

Various histories of money exist; [link to www.xat.org] and [link to projects.exeter.ac.uk] & [link to www.pbs.org]

Close examination reveals that Tally Sticks lasted for about 712 years which is longer than any coinage.

Tally sticks were a fairly stable medium of exchange because the issuance was limited in quantity. They were credit instruments drawn upon the credit of the king and accepted back as payments to governance. This points out that the "tax theory of value" is mostly correct.

Accountants count, but what are they counting?

[link to www.investopedia.com]

Well written; here is a brief extract:


As a result, various accounting techniques were used to keep track of agricultural products and land use, maritime and land-based trade, animals, and labor. Taxation, public works projects, military initiatives and conquest eventually necessitated record-keeping as a way for rulers and their advisors to maintain social order. (Find out how these two have grown hand-in-hand throughout our modern history in Accounting And Taxes, Like Peanut Butter And Jelly.)

Here is a page full of links to token printers, metallurgy, and various coinage operations:

[link to www.exonumia.com]

There are a variety of methods for conveying ownership of value.

Some aspects of governance must remain because money is a social creation and social customs must be agreed upon and set to a paper record. The present model is corrupt in the extreme with banksters and governsters in an extortive and collusion model with the general populace the victims.

Previously I have written that centralized money and centralized government form a symbiotic pair - neither can exist without the other. That the answer to returning (some) power to the people is to decentralize the money creation process and put it into localized control.

Some conclusions - a newer comprehension - with some rules:

Money exists as a symbol system for rationalizing the exchange of real things by means of proxy instruments and by means of contracts. It is a special extension of language that is primarily a communication. Within a communication theory of money many things can serve in the token and contract function. What is of primary importance in a communication theory of money is that the communications are made in truth.

To maintain truth in monetary communications the banker must have a clearly defined agency relationship to the people whereas:

* Reputation records (the credibility index) is kept on people (what? politicians also?),
* Where the reputation is poor, a performance bond must be posted as a partial collateralization of the contracts,
* Precious metals are given formal recognition as savings, and,
* These "savings" are presented and held in escrow as the performance bonds and,
* The Mandrake Mechanism is formalized and taught as a valid way to create money where,
* The people own the money system is a socialistic fashion with an open books policy and rebates after costs are made to the people and,
* The "value" of the money is dominated in human time and the number of units of time is stabilized in proportion to population demographics - quantity is important and,
* Everybody pays for using the system, but the hypothecation of the promissory notes carries zero interest - only a monthly service charge that is minimal and,
* All users rebate a sales tax like demurrage fee on circulating media plus a monthly fee on accounts of record.

These are my opinions and conclusions made after much study and reflection.

Token Coinage, Metallurgy, and Measurements of Various Nations

Sizes and weights in Metric system. This information is not complete...

Minimum weight appears to be about 2 grams and few are over 20 grams

Minimum diameter appears to be about 15 mm and max about 30 mm; Thickness varies from 1.5 mm to about 3.0 mm

Coinage metallurgy uses an entire range of metals from plated steel to brass-like alloys of copper plus aluminum with various hardeners that add shine or gloss.

In no particular order:

New Zealand: [link to www.rbnz.govt.nz]
Canada: [link to www.coinscan.com]
UK copper and copper alloy token manuf: [link to www.copperinfo.co.uk] (Nordic gold - really?)
US coinage at the bottom of this page: [link to www.coinable.com]
Italian Euro: [link to www.attilacoins.com]
Euro coinage: [link to www.fleur-de-coin.com]
and: [link to www.24carat.co.uk]

Old Chinese coinage often included lead from 15% up to 22% with some deviations... there is a word doc.
These coinages were usually about 65 -70% copper plus tin about 8 - 11%

Other notes include that many people have allergies to nickel, and manganese is somewhat toxic.
Copper and silver display bacteriostatic properties.

Zen Gardner on Competition in Money

Near the bottom of this short page:
[link to www.zengardner.com]

It is no use to wait until the Government cleans up its act. It never will. It is completely controlled by the enemy. Private initiative is the only hope we have. In fact, let’s face it: why would children of the One expect to have their lives be run by sugardaddies like Government? Private initiative is all there is.

Private currencies, competing with the Money Power in the market place are the way forward.

The world was conquered by a few ambitious men serving the Adversary.

It is now time for it to be liberated by a few ambitious men serving the One.

“THERE IS NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS THAN PERSONAL INITIATIVE: if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord.”

Mutual Credit, the Astonishingly Simple Truth about Money Creation by Anthony Migchels

[link to realcurrencies.wordpress.com]

Many links to other thoughtful writing from Anthony Migchels.

Pretty good thought piece on the Freemen site:

The Nature and Origin of Money
DECEMBER 07, 2012 by ALEX SALTER

[link to www.fee.org]

Chartalism vs. Bottom-up Money is the crux of the discussion.

Did JP Morgan Sink the Titanic?

The White Star line was indirectly owned by JP Morgan;

A search of conspiracy forums will reveal that this topic has been explored for years.

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

Did the Rockefellers have the Titanic built to sink the opposition to the Federal Reserve and fund WW1?

(another search question where you will discover another conspiracy under discussion)

Was the ship that sank not the Titanic, but actually the sister ship the Olympic?

The Olympic had been involved in several accidents where no insurance payments were made and the ship was deemed beyond repair. Perhaps a decision was made behind the scenes to deliberately put the Olympic (renamed the Titanic) into a collision path with an iceberg. The video tells that a nearly empty ship was stopped about 18 miles away and speculates that this was intended to minimize loss of life. Critical crew members were aware of the details, but SNAFUs ruled.

[link to www.youtube.com] (nearly one hour)

Informer Videos:

link one: [link to www.youtube.com]

Link two: [link to www.youtube.com]

link three: [link to www.youtube.com]

Link four: [link to www.youtube.com]

Link five: [link to www.youtube.com]

Link six: [link to www.youtube.com]

Informer CD: [link to thinkorbeeaten.com]

Informer Books: [link to www.thinkorbeeaten.com]

He and James Montgomery did original research in the archives at the congressional library.

The conspiracy minded reader is well advised to check out their discoveries and writings.

The Informer is quite old and his health is slipping.

In Brazil a lot of land is owned by masonic politicians!

Land. Not buildings.

And they hire - for very cheap - low-level psychopaths to kill "problem people" for them.

A lot of killings over LAND.

Not buildings.

They write the laws too!

On Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012, Liberty's Hammer and Anvil will broadcast at 3 PM Eastern, 2 PM Central, 1 PM Mountain, and Noon Pacific, and you may listen here:

[link to www.themicroeffect.com]

To listen, go to the Microeffect website, look on the left sidebar for the “listen live” links and click.

My guest will be Phil Hart and the discussion will focus on the federal income tax. Phil is the author of the book discussed here:

[link to www.constitutionalincome.com]

This will be a very interesting show, so tune in!!!

Larry Becraft

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Not mentioned in Mr. Becraft's message is the further information that Phil Hart was a representative from Athol Idaho in 2010 and had introduced a bill to provide for silver coinage.

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

It passed the House, but failed in the Senate.

Here is an April 2011 story:
[link to www.scribd.com]

I am finding your inputs interesting. I thought Brazil was better than that and more civilized.

Even if not legal (thieves like their victims to be disarmed)- can you gain possession of weapons? The masonic politicians need to experience the same or greater level of fear as they instill in the populace.

Are these politicians of any particular racial or ethnic group?

Three GLP threads on the topic of coinage of silver for monetary exchange:

(1) Thread: House Bill 633: Idaho Silver Gem Act (up to 4 pages)

(2) Thread: CANADA introduces 99.99% silver coins for circulation. Silver is money. (up to 3 pages)

(3) Thread: Idaho State Treasurer will Give the option of paying State taxes with the SILVER (up to 4 pages)

Don't be persuaded by "shortage gurus" that there is some terrible shortage of silver in the world. There are many known veins of silver that remain unexplored beyond drilling for core samples.

Silver could return as a medium of exchange - what is needed is demand. And demands by a variety of methods.

Thomas Greco reports on a New York Times piece about Bernard von NotHaus


The article:
[link to beyondmoney.net]

Greco just returned from a whirlwind tour that included several talks and roundtables in England, Switzerland, and Greece.

It is about the time for people to realize that :
- you don't need police to be good, helping, serving others, with high morals
- you don't need .gov to organize your life, to prosper, thrive and move on, do biz, do whatever it takes as society
- you don't need anymore any sort of authority to go on your way.

And the only thing that keeps us all stuck is the fear and the fake belief in fake authority.

A couple of search strings for your perusal;

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

That piece is somewhat incorrectly argued. The core question revolves around how seigniorage is credited in the bookkeeping. A creditary monetary system must have the seigniorage vested in the people.

Here is a related search string that is predicated on written law that states quite clearly that federal reserve notes are debt obligations of the government;

[link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

Nicely said; congratulations! This is the core message from the voluntarists like Molyneux, Larken Rose, and Marc Stevens.

Seems a bit "pie in the sky" idealistic to me and perhaps difficult to make happen... but an optimistic and hopeful point of view.

Study José Sarney. The after-american-installed (there goes your innocence?) dicatorship-president.

NOW, he is the President of the Senate House, and guess what he is?

Study about him, and you will know what Masonry is all about.