Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

Money is a Communication; Accurate and True Communications will Never be Free

One of the messages Aaron Swartz was conveying was that information communication should be free.

However, insurance of accuracy and truth in communications will always involve the "trusted intermediary" (search terms) role.

The correct way to use specie coinage is as a recognized "savings" and as a performance bond.

"Put your money where your mouth is" converts to "Where is your skin in the game? or to "Who is holding your performance bond?"

The trusted intermediary is the escrow agent and responsible party who assures specific performance of contract.

The role of trusted intermediary will never be freely provided, however the demurrage principle that poses an extractive cost to all of the monetary communications can provide for the overhead cost of the trusted intermediary role.

Using reputation recording together with performance bonding creates a truth in communications result.

Aaron Swartz is dead.

The telephone utility closet associated with MIT where Swartz downloaded hundreds of documents:

[link to cryptome.org]

One list of documents he "liberated" (euphemism for stole):

[link to cryptome.org]

Another list of documents:

[link to cryptome.org]

WARNING! IF YOU CHOOSE TO DOWNLOAD AND DISSEMINATE THESE DOCUMENTS, YOU COULD BE "TRAFFICKING" IN STOLEN PROPERTY

On the other hand, you might be a private criminal investigator attempting to expose criminal activity inside "government" and inside "institutions" where these activities are designed to further enslave whole populations of peoples.


We are missing an important personality.

Only aged 26; [link to techcrunch.com]

Whether he committed suicide or was "suicided" is unimportant to the larger picture.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Government is a Superstition, Money is a Religion

Austrian economics isn't the solution, it is a major portion of the problem.

One proposition of economics - that real things are always limited in quantity and availability is correct, but an associated conclusion that money should therefore be always in "shortage" is incorrect. This secondary conclusion is a natural derivative of using specie coinage as the medium of exchange.

In a communication theory of money using demurrage to pay for paid professional administration, there is no impetus for creating "shortage" in the money communications.

Pirates and Road Bandits Union revisit

Subject line refers to the Polleit video where at about eight minutes in he begins discussion of roving bandits and stationary bandits and shows how the stationary bandits become governments and how in the next steps the entire evolution has a strong bias toward ever increasing corruption.

First credit is due to Marco Saba (Italy):
[link to www.facebook.com (secure)]

Marco linked to:
[link to leconomistamascherato.blogspot.it]

Friday, January 4, 2012

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

An interview done this week by GoldMoney's Andy Duncan with the German economics professor Thorsten Polleit, in which the professor explains why fiat currency systems lead to "collective corruption," delighted your secretary/treasurer because it reminded him of something a high school graduate said at GATA's Washington conference in 2008 ( [link to www.gata.org]

"The problem with central banking has been mainly the old problem of power -- it corrupts.

"Central bankers are supposed to be more capable of restraint than ordinary politicians, and maybe some are, but they are not always or even often capable of the necessary restraint. One market intervention encourages another and another and increases the political pressure to keep intervening to benefit special interests rather than the general interest -- to benefit especially the financial interests, the banking and investment banking industries. These interventions, subsidies to special interests, increasingly are needed to prevent the previous imbalances from imploding.

"And so we have come to an era of daily market interventions by central banks -- so much so that the main purpose of central banking now is to prevent ordinary markets from happening at all.

"Central banking controls the value of all labor, services, and real goods, and yet it is conducted almost entirely in secret -- because, in choosing winners and losers in the economy, advancing infinite amounts of money to some participants in the markets but not to others, administering the ultimate patronage, central banking cannot survive scrutiny.

"Yet the secrecy of central banking now is taken for granted even in nominally democratic countries."

That is, money creation is power, infinite money creation is absolute power, and as Lord Acton said so famously, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Professor Polleit backs it all up with some Austrian School economics in 27 compelling minutes at GoldMoney's Internet site here:

[link to www.goldmoney.com]

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer

Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.


Professor Polleit explains why fiat currency systems produce 'collective corruption'

Twenty minute vimeo presentation: [link to vimeo.com] (90 megabyte mp4 file)

Also available as a 27 minute mp3 file:
[link to www.goldmoney.com]

The Imaginary Increment; A Principle?

The imaginary increment; a principle?
I admit that I do not fully understand this principle, but stand by my personal conclusion that a principle exists.

The repetition in the last paragraph is deliberate; hoping slight restatements can convey the concept.

I believe it is a corollary phenomena to Gresham's law. Some sort of natural human behavior.

First I noticed that coinage always acquired a name. That this name personified the coinage which in turn took on an imaginary value beyond the commodity element used to create the coin.

The full bodied commodity coin will generally be "saved" while the warehouse receipt will circulate. This does not exclude direct barter, but this direct barter will only be a fraction the velocity of any currency format that has an "imaginary increment."

I suggest repeated readings of Gresham's Law by Robert Mundell, The Mandrake Mechanism by Griffin, and The Induction of Value to Money by Auriti.

Some sort of goofy law of human nature dictates that people actually gravitate toward scammy money. Riegel recognized this in his writing also but never explained it any better than I have. The very title of the book by Merrill Jenkins: MONEY, THE GREATEST HOAX ON EARTH is acknowledging the principle.

Basic principle: Paper money cannot "store value;" paper money can only serve in either a title capacity or a contract capacity instructing the bearer how, when, and where the value may be retrieved.


A pure metallic coin exchanged in barter may be a 100% value commodity, but it will only exchange at a low velocity.

An actual "money" coin has an imaginary PRICE added to the commodity value - and if this imaginary added PRICE is in any way dubious - then the velocity of exchange increases.


A money coin with an added "imaginary increment" of PRICE will exchange, while the commodity coin will stay home in the vault and serve in no exchange.

Money of 100% value stays home while money of uncertain value (over-priced) goes out and trades until there is a total loss of confidence that it has any value at all.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if...

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
An 80 year old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a Muslim woman in a burka is only subject to having her neck and head searched.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
You can get arrested for expired tags on your car but not for being in the country illegally.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if...
Your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more of our money.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
A seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for calling his teacher "cute" but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if.....
The Supreme Court of the United States can rule that lower courts cannot display the 10 Commandments in their courtroom, while sitting in front of a display of the 10 Commandments.

You know you live in Country run by idiots if....
Working class Americans pay for their own health care (and the health care of everyone else) while unmarried women are free to have child after child on the "State's" dime while never being held responsible for their own choices.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Hard work and success are rewarded with higher taxes and more government intrusion.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
The government's plan for getting people back to work is to provide 99 weeks of unemployment checks (to not work).

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Being self-sufficient is considered a threat to the government.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Politicians think that stripping away the amendments to the constitution is really protecting the rights of the people.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
The rights of the Government come before the rights of the individual.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Parents believe the State is responsible for providing for their children.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
You can write a post like this just by reading the news headlines.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
You pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your neighbor defaults on his mortgage (while buying iPhones, TV's and new cars) and the government forgives his debt and reduces his mortgage (with your tax dollars).

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Your government can add anything they want to your kid's water (fluoride, chlorine, etc.) but you are not allowed to give them raw milk.

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
Being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you "safe".

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if....
You have to have your parents signature to go on a school field trip but not to get an abortion.

Tungsten Alloy Coinage

Pure silver and pure gold are soft metals that significantly wear from handling.

That fact is why US coinage was 90% silver, 10% copper. The Sterling silver coinage of the early English empire was based on the Troy pound; one Troy ounce of copper plus eleven Troy ounces of silver produced a 92.5 % coin. They took a better stamp, had a nice ring when dropped, and didn't wear as fast as pure silver.

Likewise, the gold coinage of South Africa, the Krugerrand has ten percent copper added for the same reasons.

One hundred years ago, tungsten metallurgy was unknown, but today there are processes for producing all types of tungsten alloys.

So, why not let the Chinese produce the labor symbols? Use some good hard stuff that has just enough added alloy it doesn't easily chip or shatter if dropped.

[link to www.tungsten-alloy.com]

Want it in a traditional gold?
[link to www.tungsten-alloy.com]

Colorized? [link to www.americancolorizedcoins.com]
[link to www.pandausa.com]
[link to merrickmint.stores.yahoo.net]

What you are dealing with is more religion than science; that is why I posted to imagine yourself to be Martin Luther nailing his writings on the door of the Catholic church. When you have your prototypes created and a line of BS to match; nail your sample and writing on the door of the nearest main office of the federal reserve.

Money is a communication carried by means of symbols and contracts that people accept (social memory - find the writings of Narayana Kocherlakota).

Personalize your money tokens and become a rock star preacher.

Learn the most advanced sales tactics including NLP and subliminals...

Write a new song - keep it simple stupid - for the masses; be certain it is as easy to remember as a child's song...

There is a ready market out there for a new monetary system just as there was a ready market for Martin Luther's message. (page 47 of this thread)

Usury (was - Why the Greenbackers Are Wrong)

The coinage charge is more correctly referred to as a "Franking charge."

The seigniorage is an imaginary value added to the coin. Thus in the example Mn supplied:
"The St. Louis Fed Answers: Why There’s No Gold Standard
Douglas French · December 31, 2012"
[link to lfb.org]

First an ounce of gold is called "Twenty Dollars" - then an ounce of gold is "revalued" as "thirty five dollars" - this is the seigniorage. The King claims to be the owner of that imaginary increment (the seigniorage). When a strict credit instrument is being traded as money it is all seigniorage.

The evolution over decades from partial redemption to zero redemption in specie was the change from some embedded value to zero embedded value.

The question evolved from "Where's the beef?" to "Do you hear the cow?" and far off we can only hear a "moo" bouncing between the hills.

When the money is all credit (100% seigniorage), then that seigniorage must be vested with the people by one mechanism or another. That is why I say that a mutual credit money system must be owned by the people in some socialistic manner.

Gold and silver coin can be owned by individuals, but mutual credit is a communal form.

So, now if You, the reader, wish to accuse me of being a communist, then I must confess guilty.

A whole lot of problems could have been avoided if at inception money could have been defined as silver and gold coin exchanged by weight and purity and with no additional numbers affixed to the coins and with no fixed ratios in exchange. Such a system could fluctuate in relative value to any other commodity and to the value of labor and be completely self-adjusting.

Furthermore I assert that multiple systems should be designed to run in parallel. A system based upon specie coinage such as gold, silver, and platinum with no fixed value ratio between them. A second system based upon a unit of energy such as a kilowatt-hour of electricity, and a third system based upon the human hour. There should be no attempt made to regulate the exchange rates between these systems.

That creates a self-regulation that brings in a era of stability never before found in exchange media.

Banking for Muggles 101: The Par Value of a US Dollar by Jeffrey Mandalis

Here:
[link to www.21silver.com]

Mandalis shows up again on Al Adask's blog:
[link to adask.wordpress.com (secure)]

Then there is David Merrill who distinguishes private credit from lawful money:
[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]

Perhaps we should approach the Quatloos crew and ask them for a definition.

What is a dollar?

There are currently at least five different values established by Congress for the dollar.

There is the Clad Coin Golden Presidential dollar.(fake gold made of an alloy of manganese, copper, zinc and nickel.)

There is the 1 ounce platinum coin that has a dollar value of $1 per 1/1000th of an ounce. (approximate)

There is the Silver dollar value of $1 per ounce.
There are the $5, $25 and $50 gold coins worth $1 per 1/50th of an ounce.

There is the $10 gold coin worth worth $1 per 1/40th of an ounce.

Then there is the Federal Reserve Note that has NEVER been declared to be a dollar or have the value of a dollar BY CONGRESS.

So which of these dollars or notes do Patriots and so-Called Christians use to calculate the value of income, land, food, cars etc.?

In other words a dollar has AT LEAST 5 different measurements attached to it by Congress.

(do not quote the above as being accurate - this post is about basic philosophy)

Tolling Jennings of BC Canada speaks out for Bernard von NotHaus

From: [link to lqmint.com]

The Honorable Richard L. Voorhees
U.S. District Judge
United States District Court for the Western
District of North Carolina
250 Charles R. Jonas Federal Bldg.
401 West Trade Street
Charlotte NC 28202 USA December 25 2012

Your Honor,

I note with interest that there has been no sentence passed in the case of Bernard Von NotHaus and the Liberty Dollar. I have also been struck by the similarities between the Von NotHaus case and the recent case of “Beers versus US of A”. Beers, as you are well aware, was based on the Constitutional right of Federal Judges to have their wages maintained so as not to fall victims to a hostile government that might cut remuneration to influence or remove a judge from office. The inflation in the United States was considered a de facto cutting of wages for judges. The success of Beers is a stunning confirmation of the validity of the Liberty Dollar and a vindication of Mr. NotHaus’s intention to create a vehicle that would afford the average American the same protection from inflation that you as a Federal Judge enjoy.

One of the stated intentions of the Liberty Dollar is to offer a voluntary barter item that would be inflation proof. Because the Liberty Dollar is based in gold and silver the value of the Liberty Dollar increases as the fiat currencies of the nation states devalue due to monetary inflation thus maintaining the purchasing power of those who choose to use the Liberty Dollar.

It would appear that Von NotHaus has devised the proper monetary system for our time and that rather than a stint in a Federal Prison, he ought to be offered a position at another Federal institution, perhaps the Treasury Department as Secretary.

In light of the decision in Beers, I urge you to consider an acquittal of Mr. Von Nothaus or at the least a new trial.

Thank you for your consideration of this new information.

Tolling Jennings

Interest bearing hypothecated debt created by use of the Mandrake Mechanism grows the total debt owed in an exponential manner.

To claim anything less is to ignore the evidence.

Mandrake Mechanism: [link to duckduckgo.com (secure)]

Some charts: [link to sareloberholster.blogspot.com]
[link to www.incrediblecharts.com]
[link to cdn.debtdeflation.com] (private debt charted along with governmental debt)


It is not the basic principle of debt that is wrong; it is wrongful assignment of seigniorage to the credit ownership by the banks that is wrong number one. This is the fifth plank of the communist manifesto in action.

In a mutual credit monetary system (which I support) the system itself must be owned by the users as tenants in common or similar ownership model. The bank must be in an agency position to the people with annual or semi-annual disbursements of profit back to the people.

The greatest theft in the history of the world is taking place in front of everyone's face and almost nobody comprehends how it is taking place.

The bank is not loaning out marbles, it is hypothecating debt paper - when they do not own the credit in the first place.

OK, I wrote: "The bank is not loaning out marbles, it is hypothecating debt paper - when they do not own the credit in the first place."

Just to honor the metaphor created by Michael Rivero, let up presume they actually are loaning marbles. Then, we must ask: "How did the bank acquire the marbles in the first place?"

One hundred years ago in 1913 and again in 1933 the government was crying "We are running out of marbles!" and the cry went out to round up all the marbles the people had and to put the marbles in a government repository. The government then decreed that the banks could loan the marbles to the people. This was done by license - otherwise it would have been illegal.

So, now the banks loan out ten marbles and demand back eleven - while CONVENIENTLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT THEY DO NOT OWN THE FIRST TEN.

The usury issue is important, but the ownership issue is larger. That is my point.

The Bradbury Pound (UK e-book, written in 2012)

[link to dont-tread-on.me]

By Gareth, on January 4th, 2013 (written in 2012)

I’m about to encourage you to read an e:book, a free e:book I might add, but before I do I’d like to bat-away any nonsense about gold and silver being ‘honest’ money and state categorically that gold and silver are pieces of metal that have been used for both ‘honesty’ and ‘dishonesty’. In other words, gold and silver are indifferent and have been used for both ‘good’ and ‘evil’ for many centuries.

Surely ‘honest’ money is a commodity that works for the benefit of the overall economy, is created without any debt attached to the general population, and is not a creation of malevolent psychopaths and sociopaths that deem themselves the worthy rulers of the planet known as earth? Surely we should ‘put to bed’ this fallacious argument that only a return to gold and silver as money is the solution to preventing further dominion and enslavement perpetrated by the vicious and arrogant in-bred ‘rulers’ of the western world?

Just to be clear: I stack silver and all excess £sterling I acquire is converted into this metal. Furthermore, I encourage those I care about to do the same as silver is an excellent means for preserving one’s wealth and also an prudent and effective decentralised method to attack the bankster filth……..some might even call it a ‘silver bullet‘. However, I decided a long time ago that the problem isn’t fiat money, but debt-based privately-issued currency controlled by a select few, to benefit a select few, to the detriment of the many. Please always consider that the Rothschild’s commenced their empire though loaning-out gold, yes that’s correct – gold, and not some made-up fiat.

I hope you read this free ebook and consider the merits of the theories enclosed with an open mind.

From one silver stacker to another…..

Peace; The Bradbury Pound (7 megabytes - 45 pages - illustrations)

[link to www.ukcolumn.org]

What appears above to be a GLP typical url modification - the "don't tread on me" link is a genuine link that works.

Here is a proposal for a "Greenbacker" pound also written in the UK: [link to www.ukcolumn.org]

Is Scoop an international site?

This link appears to come from Italy but is all in English language: [link to www.scoop.it]

I was looking for hits on - counting the cost of money for nothing - because Jem Bendell points out a link between fiat currency and continuous warfare.

Got that link above in the search, however, whatever Jem Bendell has said that is quoted is NOT on the first page.

Lietaer and associates have written and published a new book titled "Money and Sustainability The Missing Link"
[link to www.money-sustainability.net] and [link to p2pfoundation.net]


You can read the piece "Environmentally Green Money System" that is a composite of several writers who grasp the essence of Lietaer's writing on page 32 of this thread:
Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 32)

The book was written in cooperation with the Club of Rome

Money and Sustainability: the Missing Link

Bernard Lietaer, author, financial expert, and co-designer of the ECU (the monetary mechanism that later became the euro) presented compelling arguments to show that there is a structural flaw in the current monetary system that generates all the current problems and repeated financial and monetary crises, including the eurozone crisis. It is also ecologically unsustainable as it encourages climate change and over-consumption.

Video at the link at bottom of this message.

Mr Lietaer presented his arguments during a lecture, hosted by the Club of Rome’s EU Chapter in Brussels, to launch the Report from Club of Rome: Money and Sustainability: the Missing Link.

[link to www.clubofrome.org]

Royal Canadian Mint; Mint Chip Challenge:

[link to mintchipchallenge.com]

App gallery for mobile devices:

[link to mintchipchallenge.com]

Golden Jackass, Jim Wiley:
[link to www.goldenjackass.com]

Interesting audio file on what he believes is coming out of China (a gold backed trade note)

[link to www.trunews.com]

Very interesting...

root word: thaler ...A giant silver coin

I figured I would bump this awesome thread. I wanted to post this "nickles and pennies" hoaxer's words here, because I think I have added some key gems to this thread, as to nickles and pennies...



See, I have explained that when the King of Iron arrives, he will simply have to revalue the coins.

Now, I am not sure if this idiot above meant to step all over the point, but it is important to make clear: True and good coins in the realm is like medicine for sick goverrments.

So let's not be like this dummy above, and misunderstand.

When a nickle can no longer be made, well, as with all coins, nickles will be worth more than .05 percent of a "Federal Reserve Note"

But when a nickle is worth more than .05 percent of a "dollar", how much is it worth in thalers?

[link to www.coincommunity.com]

^^^ good thread here on thalers check out the size of them, they make the US quarter look like a gumball

Anyway, if you melt down 100 nickles into a moly and recast that metal as one giant (mega nickle), what is the bullion value of it?

Furthermore as to coinsmelting and valuation

This Chinese coinmaker can get you 1932-D WASHINGTON QUARTER DOLLAR for 2.20 denominated in Federal Reserve Notes.

1932-D WASHINGTON QUARTER DOLLAR
Price:US $2.20 / piece
Shipping Cost: Free Shipping

[link to www.aliexpress.com]

If you don't care about it being fake, it is a hell of a deal. but probably easily spotted by anyone with some understanding of how metals can be used to debauch.

But anyway, since the ACTUAL moly washington quarter is only worth .25 Federal Reserve Notes or maybe .17 FRNs in moly bullion then this means that the 1932 Washington fake has more intrinsic value at the moment, than the actual Washington quarter.

Well, the question is, how much will this dude charge to make nickles? Can he get his costs down? Hmm, however, there are millions of nickles in the hands of all street-level Americans of all ages.

So if you intend to crash all money, then the nickle is a lifeline. But as I have explained in this t'read here, nickles and dimes and quarters would have to be revalued upward by maybe 10x ...So a nickle would be worth .50 FRN in that armageddon scenario, as the paper money erupts into the flaming balls of theft and nothingness that it is.

Now, yes, when the nickle and other common coins are revalued, there will have to be a new minting of moly coins, totally different in style and composition. Yes, these could be gold and silver and that would have meaning, but the counterfeiters would still win because time input to make the fakes is very profitable. But not so much on the nickles, as even if they are valued upward to .50 FRN value, I doubt Chinese man with factory can get them in large quantities and across the ocean at 50 cents each. But maybe?

Okay and here's an actual 1932 D Washington quarter

[link to www.ebay.com]

And at 15 FRNs you can see how any coin over a few dollars in value, makes sense to be copied by the fakers.

Tell me me now, if one can take actual silver and mint FAKE but really silver US coins, like say I give 100k in silver bullion to the Chinese man with factory above, and tell him to make me 1932 D Washington quarters, the silver cost is minimal, compared to 100 USD/FRN value of a 1932 D Washington quarter.

So even minting at melt prices, won't save anything.

So yes, any revaluation or confiscation is probably going to involve exchanges of lead before exchanges of silver or gold, haha.

So lead and brass come together to form a round. The brass is being removed from the American shooters, but in the form of fake coins made in china, said brass can be collected! HA

And lead, well, billions of rounds to the Treasury can have two different meaning can't it? Anyway, good thread.

Hah! This comment from the auction for fake Chinese 1932 D Washington quarters is great:



HAHA He won't recommend a fake coin because its not good enough!

Hmmm, how does one judge a fake coin as good or bad?

Intention is required in a court of law, right? TO WHOM would this buyer be recommending this fake? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I guess its true that crime has a trickle down effect, like how in Russia the regular people are forced into crime just to live. BUT HEY, this Chinese coinmaker has old 1749 russian ruble coins as well!

The difference is that only one of the fake coins discussed here, is still ostensibly circulating US currency, that is to say, I can take a 2.20 FRN modern chinese fake Washington quarter and spend it in a coin machine for .25 FRN value.

[link to www.aliexpress.com]

An actual 1749 ruble is worth around 1000-2000 FRNs at this time, but I'm making a point here get it?

Oh, and all lawyers, who grease the wheels of this evil machinery, are as debauched a caste, as the coins from China. But the point is, giving people bad feedback on the global coinmarket level is just not cool. Chinese man has factory to pay for. How many fake coin minters inside the US in 2013? How many in 2025? Only the Treasury Dept and their militarized future selfs, can save us! Hahahaha, as if.

Ah yes here's timgits stating the costs of making nickles and pennies:



So if timgits lies, that is perjury? ahh, silly question.

Anyway, this tidbit is also relevant:

Thanks for the links Gembouncer; I began comprehension of the symbolic and token (belief) origins of money 15 years ago.

But conveying my understanding to others has been difficult.

Those old coins used hand casting and one at a time stamping equipment, but today's sheet rolling and planchett cutting equipment yields a consistent coin.

The stamping equipment uses hydraulic presses that kick out very nice looking detailed coins and at high rates of speed.

I think tungsten coinage might use different processes. (Haven't actually tried to discover how tungsten is worked)

Like I posted before, use gun cartridge brass; doesn't seem like there will be a shortage of that anytime soon.

This confuser is so internally compromised I am going to do a switch out to a laptop. It is running very slowly and balking at anything that involves you tube or adobe flash.

Anyway, do this search:
[link to www.google.com (secure)]

for some videos on how the coinage process operates now. One hit was to the US treasury but I couldn't get it open. 9:36 minutes.

Fake Gold: [link to www.osbornecoin.com]

"Make A Statement

Our Goldine® custom coins and medallions are attractive promotional items for events, commemoratives, and souvenirs. The brilliant, solid golden brass alloy is formulated to look like 14KT gold.

Reproducing the finest details, Goldine coins and custom made medallions have tremendous popular appeal. Let Osborne Coinage create high quality, economically priced custom coins or medallions for you."

Fake Silver: [link to www.osbornecoin.com]

"The Look Of Fine Silver

Our Nickel-Silver custom coins and medallions contain a heavyweight alloy made of a special blend of nickel, copper, and zinc. Although it contains no precious metal, it is bright silver in color, scratch-resistant, non-tarnishing and very durable.

Reproducing the finest details, Osborne Coinage Nickel-Silver coins and medallions have tremendous popular appeal. An ideal alloy to use for 25th Anniversaries, promotional items for service awards, or marketing tools with company logos, this bright silver coin is economical and leaves a lasting impression of a silver dollar."

So, here Willie is talking more about currency wars:

[link to www.silverdoctors.com]

Discussion of the trillion dollar coin proposal:
[link to www.independentamerican.org]

I don't have a problem with credit as money and in fact have come out clearly in favor of a mutual credit monetary system.

However, the value of the credit must be vested in the people and the banks placed into an agency relationship to the people.

Open books with the money system run as a not-for-profit with disbursements of profits back to the people.

Specie coinage is best recognized as a "medium of savings" where these savings can be used in a performance bond role. In conjunction with a formal system of reputation recording. If anyone has a poor reputation, then they must have savings to place at risk.

Truth in commerce requires that all players have some skin in the game.

Look at what is happening with the international efforts to recover long held gold bullion and ask:

Is the deposit of gold actually functioning as a performance bond against the central banking fraternity?

They are habitual liars and get caught up in their lies.