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Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

 
Levi Philos
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Money is an abstraction.

IN ANALOGY LIKE A ROAD MAP IS TO THE PHYSICAL ROAD

Men create abstract institutions to serve specific needs but then forget that these institutions are indeed abstract imaginative constructs, and spend much energy defending the construct even in the face of evidence that suggests a faulty underpinning.

And by "defending the construct" I don't mean simply intellectual discussion like rational people might engage themselves in, but actual physical attacks, imprisonment, and even murder... for ideas. How stupid is that?

But the money system shows signs of collapse, and everyone presumes that life as we know it will suddenly cease and all of the physical economy fail.

Wrong conclusion.

Call in a different engineering team and tell them to build new and check the old blueprint so as to make certain that mistakes are not repeated.
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Poster "Steam Rolled Gobias" posted the Franklin Sanders "PARABLE OF THE CARDS" on page 4 of his thread:

Thread: How Do Federal Reserve Notes Go from Printing Press into Circulation? (Page 4)
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Levi Philos should be treasurer of whatever comes after the goverrments. Thou minteth the coin of truth, and it be more precious than gold.
Levi Philos
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03/11/2013 09:10 PM
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Thanks bouncer, but there is no guarantee of absolute truth implied here. Examine with care all pronouncements - including mine.

But, an interesting theme... truth, or as Hypertiger might say: TRUTH

Because if money is actually as I say - a communication, then achieving truth is of critical importance in the communication.

Now please examine what Shiekh Imran Hosein says in the first 15 minutes of his talk (after the 10.5 minute mark) about INTEGRITY Thread: A TRULY MIND BLOWING & EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE !!! # The FUTURE of MONEY # (Video)

and then examine this TED talk and blog by Yochai Benkler:
[link to blog.ted.com]

His topic is Open-source economics (communication money); now closely examine in the video what mechanisms he might suggest for achieving truth and integrity in monetary systems.

[link to www.ted.com]

Eighteen minutes more or less.
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03/11/2013 09:39 PM
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You're right, truth is what people make of it.

On that note I had wanted to post to your epic thread here since today Alex ones had Max Keiser on and they were having a little discussion about botcoins.

Did you hear the discussion?

Alex one's position was that they are risky and might be honeypottish. Max Keiser's position is that they are "the spear to defeat the Federal Reserve Bank", he called them (or more directly he called the psuedonym who is the inventor of botcoins) the cyber-messiah. HAHA

But in the midst of all the static, Alex one said "they might be a good investment for political intentions" or something to that effect. I thought I would bump that moment, because Alex one is right. If I do buy some botcoins, I will give it maybe 10% odds they end up worth less or about the same as I pay for them now. HOWEVER at this point, since every transaction in the bitcoin network is 100% recorded (thats the nature of the coin-chain), I probably wont use them, but rather, buy them as a sort of political gamble on the future. So it would be like an heirloom purchase ya know?

As I have mentioned, the NSA has a complete vacuum cleaner hooked up to the web, so at their leisure, so I certainly can't see myself buying LSD on silk road with them, though I do appreciate LSD and feel it should be freely available. I will probably just buy a couple and hold them kinda like lottery tickets. In the end, though the buyers who use botcoins are "anon", the sellers are not. That is to say, if coin #XXXXXXX is spent at 12:01 on 5/5/15, the Internet Vacuum knows that the event went down, and coin #XXXXXXX records in its very bones, that the sale went down. So from a triangulation perspective, its not hard to figure out how to game the system from the "top o' the pyramid" if you catch my meaning.

The other weakness I figured I'd mention in your epic thread here, is this: Botcoins presume (semi logically), that any debaucher would just play along. They assume that since let's say botcoins go to 1000 dollars each, and you own 10,000 of them, well, there's more money in promoting the good nodes, that is to say, botcoin by its nature uses all the good nodes, to "race" the bad nodes, and since there's potentially megabucks in being a good node, then they presume that bad nodes will always lose. ...That's true, except if botcoins are actually as dangerous to the PTB as Max Keiser says they are. If they are actually a weapon, as he spouts off about, then the obverse is true: Namely that it would be worth billions of dollars LOST, to defeat the network. This is something which nobody has gotten around to discussing yet.

If I were at risk of losing some ### billions of dollars, and if I had unlimited supercomputers or a botnet (means: viruses that secretly use 1000s of sleeping computers powers), then it might be worth the effort to slowly build a secret debauch into the botcoin chain. I have only given the matter cursory though, but I know its possible. It would have to involve not just mining nodes that are flippable at the right moment (meaning they all flip to bad nodes at the right time) it would also have to involve bad merchants, which I would have to control. However, the question raised, gets back to my earlier posts...

...Because its all about BLACK MARKETS which are at the center of botcoins. Meaning that if one was to game the botcoin system, and set up ninja evil nodes to sleep until wakened, and simultenously set up fake drug selling and [insert black market material here] websites selling material, well, those merchant nodes could flip on the right dime, and sell out every botcoiner that ever bought something. Sure, the customer is only identified by coin #XXXXXXX on date XX/XX/XXXX but see, every coin has an owner, and so just as they might do house to house searches for gold and silver, they might also have a geek squad attachment who searches for botcoins. This is why if I buy any, I can't see myself using them. I'll pay for hookers the old fashioned way. HAHA, just kidding, I'm too poor for hookers. ;)

Seriously though, like I have said several times in this epic thread of yours, its all about black markets, and that is why I await the King of Iron. When he comes, he will, as Jesus did, place a little child in charge. The children will run the world and will have the final say on all matters. The King of Iron will simply enforce what they wish the world to be.

Oh come quickly King of Iron! We await a better world!
Levi Philos
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Jem Bendell, Ted talk, The Money Myth.

Rather than give you specific links, I am posting a Google search simply because it yields so many discussions.

I am not the only person who recognizes this is an important presentation.

[link to www.google.com (secure)]
Levi Philos
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03/12/2013 12:43 AM
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Videos from Dr Jem Bendell:

Ted Talk (Very good 13 min) is here:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The Future of Finance (very good - 18.3 min) :
[link to www.positivemoney.org]

Counting the cost of Money for nothing (26 min):
[link to www.youtube.com]
Levi Philos
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03/12/2013 08:29 AM
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what if the war were against the bankers? take down the warburgs, roths, rocks, etc. toss the moneychangers out of the temple and start anew?
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[link to www.macroknow.com]

Gedanken Clausewitzian Plan of War Against the Money Trust

Part one of a three part plan: [link to www.brandnewlaw.com]
Levi Philos
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03/12/2013 11:50 AM
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Natural Money dot Org, the Wörgl story with ideas for a modern updated model.

[link to www.naturalmoney.org]
Levi Philos
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03/13/2013 05:44 PM
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The very word bitcoin was an auto-ban word last year. Now there are 30 threads.

Makes me go Hmmmm...

So, here are what appear to be the more popular threads (lots of stars and posts)

Thread: BitCoin - A Decentralized Currency

Thread: Breaking !! Huge Paypal vs Bitcoin news..........Paypal maybe digging its own grave while promoting Bitcoin !

Thread: Bitcoin is worth more than silver!

I am pretty sure (spidy senses) that Gembouncer is correct, the PTB have figured out a way to track transactions and are now setting the honeypot traps.
Levi Philos
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03/13/2013 06:30 PM
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Here is a provider who has created physical bitcoins.

They have an interesting anti-couterfeiting device.

A plastic peel off face has an embossed hologram. Something I would like to investigate more closely.

[link to www.casascius.com (secure)]
Levi Philos
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03/14/2013 08:27 AM
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James Gibb Stuart trust You Tube channel:
[link to www.youtube.com]
About one year old, but only a few (high quality) videos.

From the UK (Scotland), James Gibb Stuart is also associated with other monetary system reform sites.

Author and business owner: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

UK Money Reform website: [link to www.moneyreformparty.org.uk]

MONOPOLY OF CREDIT, the big issue: [link to prosperityuk.com]

Books from Ossian Publishers (owned by James Gibb Stuart) [link to www.ossianbooks.co.uk]
Levi Philos
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It's the same old shit fraught with the same old problems of hoarding, usury and eventually corruption. if you're going to reinvent money, reinvent the system of money. Study on what currency Demurrage is.
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Lietaer's book FUTURE OF MONEY
[link to www.philosophie-management.com]
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From a bit coin thread: Thread: BitCoin - A Decentralized Currency (Page 4)
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03/14/2013 12:06 PM
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resource based economy
Levi Philos
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03/14/2013 12:48 PM
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My personal in-depth study of the monetary system lead me to the conclusion that there has never in the past 5000 years been a stable money system.

Enter my first encounter with the Gesellian model about 1985 with a small brochure from an Ohio group. And a several years long correspondence with the group. And purchase of the Dahlberg book. Dahlberg was head engineer on the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority).

Then, the writings of Bernard Lietaer... and now this:
MONEY AND SUSTAINABILITY
[link to www.clubofrome.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.lietaer.com]

Silvio Gesell inspired solutions dwarf all previous efforts.

Mises was the "monetary crank" (that is how Mises characterized Gesell in his book HUMAN ACTION); Gesell saw the problem.
Levi Philos
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The Institute for Economic Democracy JW Smith

Smith has written (perhaps) eight books and published about four books; you can likely read all of them online, or if you prefer printed editions - purchase.

[link to www.ied.info]
Levi Philos
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This video is rather miss-titled: The given title is: Full Show 2/15/12: Bankster's Beware. Elizabeth Warren's in the Senate, but really it is a 30 minute interview of Jacqui Dunne and Bernard Lietaer discussing the nature of money and how to improve the system. After about 35 minutes it goes to other bank crime related matters.

The video was made just after the Russian meteor event.

[link to www.youtube.com]
(58 minutes with commercials )

The book Jacqui Dunne and Bernard Lietaer co-authored is found at Scribd:

[link to www.scribd.com]

Information for purchasing the printed version is found on page seven.
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03/14/2013 07:16 PM
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resource based economy
Levi Philos
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resource based economy
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The progress and productivity of any real economy is based on a combination of physical resources, the energy available (think kilowatts of electricity), and the education and willingness of the population (physical and intellectual labor).

Each one of the three I just listed are capable of becoming a basis for an issue of a monetary trading unit.

Thus you have a resource based monetary unit, a unit of energy perhaps based on a kilowatt hour of electricity, and an Ithaca Hours type exchange of human intellectual and physical labor.

Competition in monetary formats can stabilize commercial calculations - Hayek was correct.

Have you read Hayek's DENATIONALIZATION OF MONEY?
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For our German friend; Helmut Creutz, Margrit Kennedy, It’s the Interest, Stupid! Why Bankers Rule the World
: [link to www.globalresearch.ca]

I would add that the incorrect assignment of the seigniorage is of equal or greater importance than the usury issue.

More from Kennedy and Creutz: [link to userpage.fu-berlin.de]

Materialien zur Geld-, Zins- und Schuldenproblematik

[link to userpage.fu-berlin.de]

English portion:
[link to userpage.fu-berlin.de]
Levi Philos
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Check out the library: [link to www.reinventingmoney.com]

Ulrich von Beckerath
- English texts
- German texts
Walter Zander
The Four Law Drafts
Heinrich Rittershausen
- Biography
- English
- German
- The Evolution of Central Banking

However before you read that rather complex material, read the two (SHORT!) Dr Popp books. They are easy to follow and powerfully persuasive.

Edward E. Popp

The Great Cookie Jar
Money, Bona Fide or Non-Bona Fide
Levi Philos
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Money is like manure; pile it up in a large pile and it stinks. If you want it to grow things it must be spread upon the land.

New World Oder: [link to nwodor.blogspot.com]
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The sheep that is man doesn't have the courage to do this.
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The sheep that is man doesn't have the courage to do this.
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This is like a Who's Who of the people who are taking (mostly legal) action:

[link to www.myprivateaudio.com]
Levi Philos
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03/17/2013 05:37 PM
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Ezra Taft Benson on the federal reserve banking system:

[link to www.awakeandarise.org]

Benson was secretary of Agriculture under Eisenhower.
Levi Philos
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Money as Debt, by Paul Grignon; secondary title The Rothschild Mafia

Video #1: [link to www.youtube.com] (47 minutes)

Video #2: [link to www.youtube.com] (77 minutes)

Video #3: [link to www.youtube.com] (62 minutes)

Paul Grignon is from west Canada (Vancouver or Vancouver Island)

More hits for the "Money as Debt" subject: [link to www.youtube.com]
Levi Philos
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Money = Debt = Slavery - a video in two parts:

Part one: [link to www.youtube.com] (9:40)
Modern Money Mechanics is mentioned in part one.

Part two: [link to www.youtube.com] (8:22)
Has some history about the passage of the federal reserve act and how fractional reserves work.
Levi Philos
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Rothschilds and Gold and the Master Organist

The Rothschilds have an estimated 85% of the world's gold, elites with Rothschilds together have 95%.

The Rothscdhilds set the price of gold twice a day in London.

Pundits come up with all sorts of spin about gold going up, going down, because of this and that reason, and they miss the point entirely.

One has gold to preserve purchasing power of ones savings, no matter what the price is, whether it goes down to $50 per ounce or goes to $1000 per ounce. The perfect example is how many ounces of gold it takes to buy the same house. That doesn't seem to change.

The Rothschilds make the market in gold. That means they control the price. The Rothschild's also have most the fiat currency of the world.

Why the Rothschilds cornered the market on gold is to PREVENT ANY NATION FROM RETURNING TO THE GOLD STANDARD. (backing their currency with gold) To do so would eliminate the need for Fed Reserve Banks, and the Rothschilds would lose their cash cows, of their printing money on worthless paper, yet charging interest on every worthless piece of paper they print. What a marvelous deal for them! No wonder the agreements to let them manage a country's money is generally accompanied by horse's head being found in someone's bed.......to evoke cooperation!

The rest of this: [link to 911wasahoax.blogspot.com]
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Jekyll Island; The Truth Behind the Federal Reserve:

[link to www.jekyllisland-themovie.com]

A new video from Bill Still
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All wars are bankers wars (two page thread):

Thread: All Wars Are Bankers' Wars - The Movie

Michael Rivero 34.5 minute video

[link to www.youtube.com]


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