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Levi Philos
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Cyprus, the Black Swan Event

The engine is vibrating; smoke issuing from multiple cracks, and orders just arrived from the board of directors:

More fuel! Shovel the coal; we are behind schedule!

[link to kingworldnews.com]


Sinclair, Farage, Roberts - Cyprus May Dwarf 2008 Collapse
Click on the Portola Group logo for an mp3 file.

Saturday March 23 - Gerald Celente:
[link to www.kingworldnews.com]

More like that: [link to www.kingworldnews.com]
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The Bradbury Pound site is in significant agreement with Thomas Edison and Henry Ford.

Bradbury Pound: [link to theunhivedmind.com]

Edison & Ford: [link to prosperityuk.com]
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Low Bluff speaker #43 says little chunk coin is going to fluctuate wildly against the other virtual currency - the fed note. And in the end little chunk coin prevails.

If you cannot comprehend what has just been written, don't worry about it. The message was not meant for you.
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Robert Mundell on Gresham's law:
[link to www.columbia.edu]

Money of certain value achieves little velocity of circulation while money of dubious value goes out and conducts commerce.
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How many of you have ever dove into icy cold water?

It is a difficult thing to contemplate.

Take the dive right here is this thread.

Archive the entire thread, eliminate the many redundancies, and make it your own understanding.

Nothing about the internet or these computers is secure.

Be able to pass on these concepts without my help.

Archive the posts above. Write your own book.
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Thread: Arizona Considers Gold, Silver As Legal Tender (Page 2)
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Eight page PDF file; get it:

[link to www.michaeljournal.org]
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Ann Barnhardt has produced a video which you can purchase, or you can watch it free as a series of 8 you tubes.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Recommended

The workbook that accompanies the video is here:
[link to dl.dropbox.com]

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resource based economy
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2 things the human race will have to combine and achieve before we evolve.

if we don't, it will be like a stagnant parasite within us all.
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..or just give both the worth they have vs what some apply, if you don't evolve the attitudes they will just be projected onto some other object/people. Greed, murder, slavery, evil empires have always existed regardless of the means of exchange of the powers that be. Fixing the symptoms never cured the disease. We are better than we once were, getting there, just taking too damn long..I know :)
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Slavery by Consent; 1.5 hour video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Modern Money Mechanics for Floridated Morons (12.67 minutes):
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Federal Reserve explained (5 minutes):
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Money & Credit Simplified Stock and Flow Model of the Economy by Aaron Wissner (53 minutes):
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Money as Credit by Ellen Brown (8 minutes)(looks good):
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Dark Secrets of Money (and what we can do about it) (made in 2012; part 1)
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (41 minutes)

Learn the chilling secrets of the banking system world wide, 2012 The Dark Secrets of Money (and what we can do about it) PART 1 presented by Scott Cundill the Chairman of THE NEW ECONOMIC RIGHTS ALLIANCE recently presented a seminar in Cape Town to a packed audience. It was a phenomenal success and the entire seminar is now freely available.

Nine parts total; each part is slightly over 40 minutes - the series:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Money and Sustainability, The Missing Link

I just finished reading the book. About 200 pages and very well organized.

This isn't your starter econ 101 book - it's more like 3.x or 4.x

It is a group effort from four PhDs with moderation and editing by some women who fixed the readability so the outcome could be comprehended.

Purchase the book: [link to www.triarchypress.com]

That page includes some links related to the book.

This page seemly features mostly Bernard Lietaer, but I see the influence of the co-authors who are analyzing complex systems;
[link to www.money-sustainability.net] (scroll to the bottom of the page for links to the appendices)

Associated blogspot: [link to moneyandsustainability.blogspot.co.uk]

The 200 pages of the book makes it seem like a short and small book, but the book has many footnotes - probably over 200 that lead to websites. This makes the book over a thousand pages...

For instance: Warren Mosler: [link to moslereconomics.com] & [link to moslereconomics.com] (the reports and charts are free Pdf downloads)
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Alabama attorney Larry Becraft has considerable info on the workings of the money system: [link to home.hiwaay.net]
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It is quite challenging to incite people to WANT to gain understanding and be informed. Because people in general are so complacent and tend to think the government would not allow anything "bad" to happen to them, they are finding themselves getting sucked into a black hole. Once you cross the event horizon, you are DONE!

Why don't people care that our currency is DEBT? We pay and are paid with IOUs. Our whole system, our currency is CREDIT, not anything of value. We are being paid with NEGATIVE instruments. What a brilliant scheme these gang banksters have perpetrated on the public. They never even loan money. They only give credit. The whole scheme is and has always been a ticking bomb. IT HAS TO BLOW UP EVENTUALLY! There is no alternative than it imploding on itself. That is where we are now.

Implementing the Federal Reserve was the beginning of the end for us. It just goes to show you that anyone can get enough politicians in their pockets to accomplish the grandest or most nefarious fetes. Due to the lack of uncompromising integrity, there are probably only about 1 in a 1000 politicians who cannot be compromised via blackmail, bribery or intimidation. It is disgusting!

Well, guess what, folks?? It is UP TO US TO FIX THIS. We need not expect or count on the government to fix themselves. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

[link to www.youtube.com] (9:37)

The Money Scam is hidden right out in the open, yet buried in complication and confusion.

A retired banker describes simply, the world's Money Scam and the reason every country is now going bankrupt.

Private bankers have stolen the money creation process, and whereas once our money was created by the governments, debt-free, it is now created out of thin air and issued as debt with interest charges.

In today's banker controlled world, money = debt, debt = slavery and therefore money = slavery --- our monetary systems have become systems of enslavement.

Money is created out of nothing, issued as debt, not enough money is created for the future interest payments and inflation steals our savings.

The money creation process should be taken away from the banks and given to the governments who can create money debt-free, interest-free.

This is how it used to be done and we needed no income taxes.

Finally, it is explained what we should do to stop supporting the money scam.
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ALL WARS BEGIN WITH LIES

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Found at:
[link to www.transitionnetwork.org]

[link to www.transitionnetwork.org]
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MONEY AND LIFE video
One hour, Twenty Six Minutes

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Thomas Greco newsletter and update:
[link to beyondmoney.net]
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Greco's latest release Taking Moneyless Exchange to Scale: Measuring and Maintaining the Health of a Credit Clearing System, has just been published in the International Journal of Community Currency Research (IJCCR). You can download it at [link to ijccr.files.wordpress.com] This article provides some very important guidance for operators and organizers of credit clearing systems like LETS and commercial trade exchanges. Please take the time to give it your attention.
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Madison Wisconsin (Dane county)

Here is a list of Alternative and Complementary Currencies in a Table format with live links:

[link to www.appropedia.org]

Dane County Wisconsin has an active group working with human time as the value collateralized into currency; this is the blog:

[link to blog.timeftw.org] TFTW = Time For Time World
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Bernard Lietaer, Diversity in Monetary Formats

YouTube; 24 minutes:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Bernard Lietaer argues that the monoculture of money is what creates economic instability, leading to liquidity crises. He calls for a greater diversity of alternative currencies, citing innovative and enormously successful initiatives like the Lithuanian Doraland Economy, the Torekes in Belgium and Switzerland's famous alternative currency, the WIR.

Bernard Lietaer was born in Belgium in 1942 and has taught at the university level in the United States. He helped design the Euro and was a currency speculator at one time. Lietaer has submitted papers on contract to the United Nations and his last book was written in collaboration with several others as a proposal to the Club of Rome.

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[link to www.madisonhours.org]

Nearly everyone who writes about the Mondragon Cooperative misses the salient point I consider of the highest importance. This salient point is found in several books but without emphasis.

The point is the organizational structure places the Caja Laboral Bank management into a subordinate position to the overall cooperative management. Bank profits are recycled within the cooperative and the bank is prohibited from outside ventures such as purchasing "collateralized debt obligations" and/or financing tin-horn dictators. The largest "borrower" is the cooperative which means the borrower owns the lender. The Mondragon Cooperative is a self-financing operation and their issuance of notes is backed by the industrial output of the cooperative.

This situation could exist in a nation. A nation that owned its' central bank.
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Wayne Walton & Tommy Kennedy on Debt Jubilee and a Time Backed Currency

The book: Hour Money Jubilee: How to create immediate abundance for humanity [Kindle Edition]

[link to www.amazon.com]

The book blurb:

Publication Date: February 13, 2013

Ancient wisdom reveals solutions for immediate abundance for humanity.

This book uses sacred economics to create a victory plan not phony austerity measures and fear mongering. History repeats and we face the same debt problems which existed throughout ancient history. Powerful, actionable solutions are available without displacement, despair and hardship. We just need to ignore loyal opposition gate keepers who are hired to protect the status quo.

Real revolution requires usury-free money creation and lending. Interest based economics creates an un-payable debt Ponzi. Jews, Christians and Muslims all forbid usury before being corrupted by the "money power". We will actually have far more money, lending and banking without interest.

Discover how interest is a mathematic fraud like a Ponzi. Discover how usury-free societies offer a 15-25 week work year. Learn this information yourself so that you are no longer deceived by the "money power". Bring this message of hope and abundance to your family, neighbors, friends and countrymen. Become the leader that you were meant to be.

Join [link to www.HourMoneyJubilee.com]
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Historic Monetary Reform Debate: Bill Still, Charlie Shrem, Wayne Walton, with host Adam Kokesh

YouTube [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (about 1.5 hours)

From Red Pill Radio featured February 14, 2013:
[link to theredpillradio.com]

The (abbreviated and modified) Blurb:

Monetary Reform Debate on Adam vs the Man. Bill Still vs Bitcoin vs mtnHours

Monetary Debate Show

We have a very special show that I am extremely proud to present to you guys all tonight. Tonight on Adam Vs The Man we are having (to my knowledge) the first ever Alternative currency debate! We will be having on the show Bill Still, creator of the documentaries “The Money Masters” and “The Secret of Oz” to discuss the monetary system of state run fiat currencies, similar to a Lincoln Greenback.

We will also have on Wayne Walton to discuss the truly unique, local, and usury free system of organic currency that he has created in Summit County, CO called mountain hours.

Also, we will be welcoming Charlie Shrem, the current CEO of [link to www.bitinstant.com,] and an expert on the rising digital currency known as Bitcoin.

We’ll have all of these heavyweights on at the same time to discuss alternative currency, and I’m sure Adam Kokesh will weigh in about Gold/Silver.

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Monetary reform is essential to understand. This is THE MOST important issue facing humanity. A tiny few people (largely psychopaths) rule humanity through the monetary system. For 1000's of years the “money power” has warred on humanity. We are debt slaves in perpetual scarcity, police state and war. Fortunately, with correct monetary reform we can win our emancipation with a tiny minority. [link to www.mtnHours.com]
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I haven't figured out the exact position of this group:
[link to www.publicbankinginstitute.org] other than to roughly categorize them into the greenbacker camp.

Board and Staff:
[link to www.publicbankinginstitute.org]

Advisory Committee:
[link to www.publicbankinginstitute.org]
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Another group of greenbackers operating out of Minnesota and Iowa primarily:

[link to www.wealthmoney.org]
Associated with Gregory Soderberg of Austin Minnesota
[link to www.wealthmoney.org]
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Bad news and good news about the slave queen coin;

Go to this link and read it in it's entirety.

[link to dont-tread-on.me] (Chris Duane)

The very short interpretation is that Mulligan mint is being run as a ponzi scheme and the boss is in the process of absconding with funds that were posted to purchase coins.

That is my interpretation and is probably not totally representative of all of the facts.

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Rob Gray is the accused leader of the Mulligan mint.

The American Open Currency site is: [link to www.opencurrency.com]

Easy to find a number of You Tubes featuring Rob Gray; here is one:
[link to www.youtube.com]

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