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Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

 
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The most dangerous religious belief is the belief in government.

Just ask Larken Rose:
[link to www.larkenrose.com]

Or, hear Larken discuss it on You Tube:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Here is Mike Bundrant and Jon Rappoport discussing cult mentality in the mainstream, groupthink, blind faith, how we can get sucked into believing just about anything, and clinical hypnosis tactics perpetrated upon the masses.

Mp3 file: [link to radio.naturalnews.com]
Zip file: [link to radio.naturalnews.com]

Here is the Daily Sheeple discussing The Cult of Lies Called Government:
[link to www.thedailysheeple.com]

And here is Marc Stevens [link to marcstevens.net]
Marc Stevens doesn't seem to have a You Tube channel, but any search will turn up his presentations at the Free State Project or his legal discussions.

And, unlike Larken Rose who tries to say a lot in a short time with few words, we have Stefan Molyneux who is always willing to use a lot of words and a lot of time...
[link to www.youtube.com] and
[link to www.freedomainradio.com]
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Hour Money Jubilee

35 videos: [link to www.youtube.com]

Time is something that is always passing by; give your time symbols the "Natural Money Advantage"
[link to naturalmoney.org]
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"There Will Be An Answer; Jubilee" (2:12 minutes)
[link to www.youtube.com]

Stop recognizing the frn as legitimate money; declare a jubilee: [link to spiritofjubilee.com]

Implement a money system based upon an hour of human time:

Video: "How does Hour Money give you hope?"

[link to vimeo.com (secure)]
(3:21 minutes & surprisingly effective)
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Overcomes many problems and has the Gresham's Law advantage:
[link to naturalmoney.org]
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Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
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05/16/2013 10:41 AM
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Private Credit vs Lawful Money

[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]
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Dwolla story; this tells you how it works:
[link to www.crunchbase.com]

This tells you how to move money using Dwolla:
[link to www.dwolla.com (secure)]

And this is a seizure warrant for funds at a service provider on behalf of Dwolla (one page):

[link to www.documentcloud.org (secure)]

Making the Homeland secure for the banksters.
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Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
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Nicely written pro-BitCoin article:

[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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The World Banksters manipulate the global money system and they own the governments. They will never give up their power. And there is nothing the people of the world can do about it.
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So long as the people believe they are without hope and unable to extricate themselves - then this is true.

However, if they finally recognize their ability to create their own monetary communications - then they can stop paying tribute to the banksters and control freaks.

Creating your own monetary communications is the ultimate freedom technology.

Bitcoin should be thought of as an example and possible model.
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Financial Times article; however, unless you are already a subscriber you will find it easier here:

[link to finance.groups.yahoo.com]

Hitch-hiker’s guide to monetary infrastructure
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I think existentialism is what would be needed to battle the greed and exploitation. To remove yourself from the system as much as you can would lessen the power that is harnessed when you plug in to the system, is all it takes - it's very simple and effective.

What's hard is to reject the illusion that the tptb casts that 'the american way' or 'wealth' or being 'financially secure' is everyones endeavour. It's all set-up to exploit and harness your power.

We are constantly threatened with the spectre of being poor if we don't play the game - it's like this: they fear you being poor as much as you do - because then they'd have nothing to exploit. To make matters worse, you might get used to having simple needs and actually like living outside of the rat race. Imagine that - a host whos needs are so little that the parasite can't skim the fat off the top.
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Pretty damned good webpage:
[link to www.greymatrixx.com]

This is an excellent observation: "PART IV - Why Does Our Government Do This?

Earlier, I told you I would explain why the government does this. And the answer is because it makes it easier for politicians to get re-elected.

Under our Constitution and a sound money system like a gold standard, the government would have to tax the citizens with what's called a direct tax.

Let's say the government wants to spend money on some programs and it's going to cost $300 Billion more than they are going to take in, in revenue. That means they are going to run a deficit of $300 Billion. With roughly 300 million citizens in America that results in a cost of $1,000 per man, woman and child. So now you get a knock on your door from a tax collector and are told that your family of 4 will have to immediately pay the government $4,000 in a direct tax so the government can spend money on these programs. What would you do? You would call up your congressman and bitch. You would tell him that if he doesn't fix the problem he will be out of a job.

You would take an active role in politics, and that's the last thing politicians want. They just want to get re-elected without all the hassle. So instead of taxing you honestly, they purchase money from the federal reserve, make our national debt go up, and devalue our money through inflation. And since the effects of inflation are delayed anywhere from between 6 months to 2 years, by the time gasoline or food prices go up, it can be blamed on war, greedy arabs, or bad weather, and the politician [and federal reserve] can escape the blame, even though they are the ones responsible. So the next time you hear that oil prices are higher because of a hurricane; remember it's not true.
"

Found on Saddle Tramp's thread:
Thread: The Grand Finale Pt. I: Here Is What Is About To Happen To You...An Economic Love Story, or Fifty Shades of Green? (Page 8)
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Liberty Reserve has been shut down and the founders sentenced to prison terms:

[link to www.ticotimes.net]

Also here:

[link to bitcoinmagazine.com]
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bitcoin was an obvious fail.
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A liquidity trap is a design problem.

If you built a bridge and it fell down, would you use the same plans and rebuild the same way?

But liquidity traps have happened before and monetary engineers see fit to repair and reopen using the same plans.
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After a recent trip to new Orleans... I doubt in general we are mature enough to govern ourselves. I hope I am wrong.
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Introducing commerce coin: [link to www.c-coin.com]

Located in the Philippines and/or Singapore area.

Blurb: " WHAT IS C-COIN ?

Commerce coin, or c-coin for short, is an electronic, closed book-entry system that allows users from all over the world to open accounts and to then use them to send and receive payments from each other, without the often lengthy delays of the banking system, high costs of credit cards, and prohibitive requirements of other service providers.
Simply open an account, create your payment links and receive payments on your website, through email links, and direct transfers, right away.

EARN MONEY FROM PROMOTING C-COIN

Our referral program pays the referer 10% of all transaction fees from users who opened their respective holding accounts using a referral link, indefinitely.

Your account number is automatically also your referrer number. Simply replace the 1234 in the link below with your own account number, and you can start referring other users, right away:

[link to 1234.c-coin.com (secure)]
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WHO KILLED THE BILL OF RIGHTS?

56 minute video with an embedded power point presentation:
[link to vimeo.com]

Short discussion with a downloadable pdf file of 31 pages:
[link to www.jdsupra.com]

From Legal Bear:
[link to groups.yahoo.com]
[link to groups.yahoo.com]
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Debt Free Money, What Does it Mean?

There are a series of responses on the Gang-8 yahoo group that are reactions to the proposals from the Positive Money Group of the UK.

To read the original proposals, go to:
[link to www.positivemoney.org]

There was a conference in January and a book has been published.

The book is titled "MODERNIZING MONEY" [link to www.positivemoney.org]

One of the important videos is: [link to www.youtube.com] (33.5 minutes)

The series of responses on Gang-8 begins with #17024:
[link to finance.groups.yahoo.com]
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You gotta love the humor!

Bernard von NotHaus in horizontal prisoner's stripes:

[link to dont-tread-on.me]

The story is from June 12 and titled Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

From the Silver Bullet, Silver Shield group.

[link to dont-tread-on.me]
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It is all about vesting of the seigniorage in money.

Allow me to explain once again.

All forms of money are partially real, partially illusion.

Even something as real as a precious metal coin has a physical presence with real properties and multiple industrial and jewelry uses - but when you begin using that commodity as a coin currency - the same commodity acquires an imaginary quality - an additional added imaginary value that reflects upon it's usefulness in commercial exchange.

This additional (imaginary) value is the seigniorage. So long as there is redemption available in physical coinage then the seigniorage is vested in the physical coin. Historically the seigniorage value was claimed to be the property of the royalty running the show.

However, with a non-redeemable paper currency (fiat if that is your preferred term) ALL OF THE VALUE IS IMAGINARY – and in the present system all of the imaginary value (the seigniorage) is said to be owned (vested) with the banks.

This major alteration was implemented under Roosevelt in the 30s. It is the fifth plank of the communist manifesto. The credit of the people (the seigniorage) is claimed to be the property of the government. The government in turn assigns by license to the banks the right to loan credit to the people.

WHILE CREATING A MEME THAT CREDIT IS SOMEHOW IN SHORTAGE JUST AS GOLD OR SILVER MIGHT BE IN SHORTAGE?


The people’s credit should never be in shortage so long as there are people able and available and willing to perform intellectual and physical labor.

If the seigniorage value of an imaginary fiat currency is assigned to the banksters, then over time the bankers will end up owning everything.

If the seigniorage value of an imaginary fiat currency is assigned to the governsters, then over time the governors with end up owning everything.

With a currency of no intrinsic value (no lawful redemption in a commodity) the seigniorage value must be vested with the people and over time the people will own everything.
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LAST DAY to take advantage of the $110 discount for the 2013 AMI Monetary Reform Conference!

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Here is why this year's conference is shaping up as our best ever:

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The 2013 AMI Monetary Reform Conference is shaping up as an important event in the ongoing battle to achieve real monetary reform!

We have assembled as speakers the main people on the front lines of monetary reform around the world. Here is the superstar line-up:

Professor Joseph Huber of Martin Luther University of Halle-Wittenberg, Germany's most important monetary reformer. Working on the subject with James Robertson (UK) from 1999-2001 on behalf of the New Economics Foundation, London (report Creating New Money). His talk, Modern Money - Interest-bearing Credit or Debt-free Currency? confronts certain assumptions of Modern Money Theory with the views of contemporary monetary reform initiatives.

Dr. Michael Kumhof of the IMF, whose IMF Working Paper, The Chicago Plan Revisited, has taken the world's economic community by storm! Two appearances at the Bank of England, since publication in August. Appearances at several monetary meetings. He shows that inflation is less likely under a system where money is created by the government, as money, not as credit by banks. A viewpoint that can't be ignored.

Prof. Kaoru Yamaguchi, A leading macroeconomist, whose systems analyst computer projections show the excellent results of using HR 2990 and the American Monetary Act; concluding that they Pay off the National Debt as it comes due; provide the funding for infrastructure (which solves the unemployment problem); and do this without inflation!


Prof. Richard Werner has emerged as the central figure advising monetary authorities of the European money system to cease their destructive austerity programs. He is Chair of International Banking and founding Director of the Center for Banking, Finance, and Sustainable Development at the University of Southampton. His book Princes of the Yen became a no. 1 bestseller in Japan. His 2005 book New Paradigm in Macroeconomics (Palgrave Macmillan) correctly predicted the collapse of the UK banking system and property market and suggested workable solutions.

Prof. Nic Tideman of Virginia Tech, served as Staff Economist at the President’s Council of Economic Advisers at the White House. Nic is a senior adviser to the American Monetary Institute. His recent work, which became apparent at the AMI Cooper Union Monetary Reform Event, in May, is establishing Nic as among the foremost professors of Economics discussing monetary reform. This talk will show why.


Steve Keen, top Australian monetary economist Steve Keen who won the inaugural (Paul) Revere Award for giving an early warning (2005) of the debt-deflation collapse. He has built a growing reputation as a rare deep thinker on how monetary systems really work, not just how the central banks have said they work. Thus his blog has over 50,000 followers. Keen has served as Associate Professor, School of Economics & Finance, University of Western Sydney, Australia.

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Agree wholeheartedly with OP.

People need to wake up.

Strongly urge you all to watch Zeitgeist films, particularly #2 Addendum. And try not to lose hope. We can fight this.

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This mp3 file from May of 2009 will download:
[link to www.mediafire.com] people of G-d-09-space.mp3

It is a fellow named Gary Bell discussing the design of the money system as it exists today along with the history of how it evolved.

Two hours, six minutes long. I don't like his pattern of speech, but the material is substantially correct.

Bear in mind this admonition; "Interest bearing hypothecated debt as the basis for a monetary system grows the total debt in an exponential manner." (quoting myself)
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Oh well, auto change to a url; par for the course. That Gary Bell audio file will not download as presented above.

Here is the post where the original info came from:

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than the Federal Reserve and the 13 regional banks (i.e. families) that make it up. The Federal Reserve answers to the secretive Bank of International Settlements (BIS), which is THE "central bank" to the world's central banks. Find out (if you can) who the directors are of the BIS and you'll have your answer as to who run the world! You can bet that the Rothschilds are at the top of that list!!!!!!!

Check out Gary Bell, aka The Spaceman, if you really want to know what the hell is going on. The problem is that his shows are 3 hours long and most people don't have the patience or time to invest 3 hours to learn the truth that drives the events in this insane world.

Here is one of his shows about The Federal Reserve:
SHOW: May.9, 2009

TOPIC: banking, gold, the Federal Reserve, promissory notes, greenbacks, the Bank of England

[link to garythespaceman.livejournal.com]

All his shows are on Skydrive if you want to get a PhD in Truth. I found out about him 6 weeks ago and have listened to over 40 shows already....you will understand what I mean if you can get through 2 or 3 shows.
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WHAT IS SKYDRIVE?
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Jon Rappoport has a current piece on his site No More Fake News dot com about how the technocrat is the ultimate control freak operating the controls for the NWO. Rappoport goes on to predict that human creativity will always route around the controls.

A very good piece of writing as is the norm for Rappoport.

Anyway, in analogy, here is a you tube video that might suggest how centralized banking might be routed around with a little chunk coin like method of handling the credit exchanges of people.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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If you have any value in an e-gold account you can sign up for a [possible] rebate here:

[link to blog.e-gold.com]

This opportunity closes out October 01, 2013

This is a bankruptcy like proceeding, however, your account will be scanned for possible criminal activity.
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Look around your surroundings... Everything you see EXISTS.

Paid for by human labor and ingenuity.

Only the disposition and ownership is in any dispute.

Money and debt are rationalizations used to control the distribution and ownership of the output of people.

16 trillion?

Ridiculous...

Tell the elites they don't get to own everything.

Perhaps (I HAVE NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH SUCH THINGS) Ayahuasca consumption might help you with ridding your mind of such concepts as "irredeemable debt."

It is all a fiction of the mind; a social memeplex sold to the populace as a control mechanism.

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