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Babylonian Woe in PDF format:

[link to www.bandung2.co.uk]

and here: [link to loveforlife.com.au]
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Thanks again for your work posting this link!


Thus while Sparta finally collapsed before the unremitting pressure of the Athenian, or better put, the international money market, seeming to yield its ancient strength and the sources of its independence, the Athens that carried on, as well, partly for reasons as elsewhere given, was but a shadow of itself with the approach of the exhaustion of the mines, and thence the failure of the base of its money power and the "confidence" essential to its maintenance... Moreover, still in the hands of the bankers as a centre of trade for trade's sake, Athens was become but a name. As with Rome by the time of the Civil Wars, its original people had disappeared into that mass of freed slaves, and immigrants from elsewhere, the "sojourners", who were now a large part of the Athenian population, and for whose leaders Xenophon the journalist obviously fronted when he proposed that special taxes should be lifted from foreigners who at the same time were not to be required to do military service.(18) (Here it might be remarked that it is perhaps unfortunate that should still survive the writings of a paid propagandist, so similar to the writings of some of his brethren today, when so little remains of Greek literature relative to the total output.) Of Spartan money as reinstituted under the patronage of Lycurgus, Ernest Babelon, famous French Numismatist of the 19th Century, wrote: "A long time after the use of money had been spread throughout the Hellenic world, Sparta continued as through tradition, to make use of ingots of iron as a means of exchange. These bars were known under the description of (gâteau de pâtisserie). Each one weighed an Aeginetic Mina, and to carry only six of them, that is to say about 536 Kg., a wagon drawn by two oxen was required. This information supplied to us by Xenophon and Plutarch agrees with that from central Italy where cumbersome bars of bronze were carried in carts; 'Aes Grave plaustris quidam convehentes,' said Titus Vivius. All kinds of stories circulated on the subject of the famous Pelanors of Sparta that seem to have remained in use until the Persian Wars. It was said, for instance that the iron used in the manufacture of this money was unsuitable for any other purpose and was rendered brittle by an operation consisting of heating it until red-hot, then quenching it in vinegar. In the conservative capital of Laconia it appears that these ingots of iron were the sole money in use and all citizens were forbidden under penalty of death to possess any other money... When Epaminondas died he was so poor that nothing was found in his house in the way of wealth other than an old iron . At Thebes the native land of Epaminondas where money was known and struck at an early date, found in the residence of the hero could have no more than a superstitious character. This surprises us less especially as since the 7th century, Pheidon, King of Argos, when he struck the first silver money of Aegina, and introduced a standard system of weights and measures into the Peloponnese, withdrew the former iron spits from circulation that had served as money until then, and consecrated a certain number of samples, "in Ex-voto", in the sanctuary of Hera at Argos. At the time of Aristotle they could still be seen in the Temple."(19)
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Decentralized mutual credit is the answer.

[link to www.reinventingmoney.com]

[link to www.altruists.org]

[link to www.complementarycurrency.org]

Greco has at least two slide shows he uses for his talks in power point presentation software.

There is at least one highly effective ppp file at the altruist website along the same theme (avoiding centralized currency)

good luck
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Get rid of Obama too
I grow sick sick sick
And you all are sick I'm sure
So I'm in agreement about what you want to rid

so let's do it.

do it now

why the waiting?
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Roads to Fascism: Sixty Years Later

by Roderick T. Long

Discusses Hayek, Rothbard, and others in a show of how economic policies lead to military adventurism etc.

Short if you don't go to the links: [link to www.lewrockwell.com]
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Money = SLAVERS MARKS.
Government= SLAVE ENFORCEMENT.
PERIOD!
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While this may be somewhat true in the context of today's political climate, it is not necessarily always and all-times true.

You need to dive deeper - and especially into deep libertarian and anarchic philosophy.
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RJ Rummel on "democide" [link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Democide is a term coined by political scientist R. J. Rummel for "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the legal definition of genocide, and it has found currency among other scholars."

And, the statistics gathered by Rummel show socialism as the most murderous form of government: [link to www.hawaii.edu]
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The food producers produce 1000's of time more food than they require to feed the non producers.

Why would a person do that?


The purpose of the Police and military is to protect the top from the bottom...

To protect cause from consequence...

The easiest prey of the hunter gatherer is the farmer and the simplest operation is the protection scheme...

You are either with us or against us...

All money is decreed money...fiat...

The top says this is money...Or else...period end of story....

You Farmer are on the Land owned by the LORD of the land and will pay tribute to the LORD of 1 Gold coin a year...

Where do I get this GOLD coin?

You can take one short ton of grain to the grainery of the LORD and there you will be given a GOLD coin for it and then you can give the gold coin to the servant of the LORD...

What if I refuse?

Then the LORD will drive you from the Land that the LORD is the LORD of...

There you go an abundant supply of free food to power your wildest hopes and dreams...Lies and delusions...

22 And the LORD said, Behold! The man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and also take from the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever,
23 The LORD sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground out of which he was taken.
24 And He drove the man out. And He lodged the cherubs at the east of the Garden of Eden, and the flaming sword whirling around to guard the way of the Tree of Life.

Well what is done with all that Food the tillers of the LORD's land give the LORD as Tribute?

It powers the Absolute capitalist Hierarchial food powered make work enterprise...

The city state...Or Civilization...

The thing you all popped into existence within...the thing you are in right now.

The farmers produce 1000's of times more than they require to sustain all of you non-producers because they need to obtain money.

The top invented money and own all the money on Earth.

You all just rent it.

The top know how to construct what you all call civilization from the dirt up.

You all don't.

You all have been socially engineered with mental and moral barriers that cause you all to be unable to.

The people that created the first one 1000's of years ago did not worry about offending the LORD.

Because there was no LORD until the first one.

Everything you all think you know was told to you by the top...The top taught you all how to read...write...do math...and how to think.

The top knows the difference between Truth and lies because the top has told all the lies you currently think, hope, and believe are Truth.
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RJ Rummel on "democide" [link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Democide is a term coined by political scientist R. J. Rummel for "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder."
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More than that, but "Democide" means death by your peers, if you consider the root etymology.

So the true Fabian thinking against the plebes says this: "We must stand next to the plebe and have him think we are his greatest friend. Get him to trust us. Then, when our moment of revolution from within comes, the plebe will be so demoralized that whatever feeble sword he holds, will not even be lifted against us."
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A woman I know is in govt subsidised housing, I guess the govt pays $500-$600 per month. She gets medical for herself and kids, food stamps and free education. She is close to being a complete benificiary of the resource besed economy, very little money passes through her hands. One problem though.

She wants to move about 300 miles to live with a guy. But she has a 'lease' on her current housing. If she breaks the lease, she will forever be inelgible for govt assistance, here, locally and anywhere she may move to in the future.

If she does not like the terms, too bad. She has no option of changing 'employers'. She has no option of taking a small financial hit (normal lease penalties). She must go to medical services dictated by the govt. She is limited to food purchases from food stamp approved vendors.

For all intents and purposes, this woman is a SLAVE

If YOU don't want to be a slave, remember, with freedom comes personal resposibility.
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Money was a food substitute

food is power

the medium of exchange is power.

ALLOW ME TO TAKE MORE OF ANOTHER`S POWER THAN I GIVE AND I DO NOT CARE WHO MAKES THE RULES OF THE GAME YOU ARE ALL PLAYING...

BECAUSE EVENTUALLY I WILL SUCK ALL THE POWER FROM THE HANDS OF THE MANY INTO THE HANDS OF THE FEW OR ONE.

AND THEN THOSE WITH THE POWER WILL MAKE AND BREAK THE RULES OF THE GAME YOU ARE ALL PLAYING.

In the hierarchy the top grows richer in power by taking more than they give from the bottom who grow poorer in power by giving more than they take.

Taking more than you give is plunder.

``When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.--Frederic Bastiat
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For all intents and purposes, this woman is a SLAVE

If YOU don't want to be a slave, remember, with freedom comes personal resposibility.
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Her uterus is schemed upon along a centuries-old timeline!

When any ship or baby is "birthed", then it's like Creator itself has come to Earth. We are born from water, and we build ships to conquer water.

Those in power have to make the mother their first priority, yet the argument is schemed by Fabians along the lines of hating women and hating welfare moms, etc. Priests and bishops are the ones who historically truly hate females.

In a sense, this whole discussion boils down to primogeniture (firstborn king rights) versus the selection of the most fit (like the Scoti Kings of old).

Is it a woman or a man who is better suited to handle the monies of the family? The answer of course is both, yet which of these two can actually create life and bring it forth? The husband goes to work and births the ship on the waters of Earth while the wife stays home and births the next husband of the next generation who will birth the future ships unto the oceans.
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For all intents and purposes, this woman is a SLAVE

If YOU don't want to be a slave, remember, with freedom comes personal resposibility.


Her uterus is schemed upon along a centuries-old timeline!

When any ship or baby is "birthed", then it's like Creator itself has come to Earth. We are born from water, and we build ships to conquer water.

Those in power have to make the mother their first priority, yet the argument is schemed by Fabians along the lines of hating women and hating welfare moms, etc. Priests and bishops are the ones who historically truly hate females.

In a sense, this whole discussion boils down to primogeniture (firstborn king rights) versus the selection of the most fit (like the Scoti Kings of old).

Is it a woman or a man who is better suited to handle the monies of the family? The answer of course is both, yet which of these two can actually create life and bring it forth? The husband goes to work and births the ship on the waters of Earth while the wife stays home and births the next husband of the next generation who will birth the future ships unto the oceans.
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My post was not about which gender is better able to handle money, os future ships or uterus'. It was an example of SLAVERY.

If you are too zoned out or stupid to realise that fact, your opinion is of no value
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My post was not about which gender is better able to handle money, os future ships or uterus'. It was an example of SLAVERY.

If you are too zoned out or stupid to realise that fact, your opinion is of no value
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OK but don't get upset when people go there.

You are not allowed to compartmentalize your righteousness.

Slavery begins at the moment of birth. Can you get that far along what I am saying?
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ALLOW ME TO TAKE MORE OF ANOTHER`S POWER THAN I GIVE AND I DO NOT CARE WHO MAKES THE RULES OF THE GAME YOU ARE ALL PLAYING...
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Wait does that say "ANOTHER" or "A MOTHER"? I am probably too zoned out.
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Rummel: "Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century."
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Science Fiction writers are always ahead of the curve about the future and they rarely miss their marks.

Most of them write about a credit based system where you get credits(sort of debit cards) for work that you already do.

No money-- just labor, then credit marks to buy stuff.

Which means people can work as little or as much as they want depending on what they want out of life.


But for that to work, the basics need to be guarenteed and governments need to be the main employer.

Already--with the technology of today--a lot of people are kept working by government and big business just so they can have something to do.

They are not really needed.

In the future most people are not going to be needed to work for the things a Nation needs to care for it's people.

The Communists used to joke:

"We pretended to work and the government pretended to pay us"

Yet things still got done. Needs were still met. Most people were content.

And all those former Communist states were better off then, than they are now
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My post was not about which gender is better able to handle money, os future ships or uterus'. It was an example of SLAVERY.

If you are too zoned out or stupid to realise that fact, your opinion is of no value


OK but don't get upset when people go there.

You are not allowed to compartmentalize your righteousness.

Slavery begins at the moment of birth. Can you get that far along what I am saying?
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I am not expressing righteousness. I am pointing to an example of the downside of the esoteric notion on a resource based, moneyless society. There will always be those who will game the system, they will leach off of society without making a redeeming contribution. That situation does not occur anywhere else in the earthly animal kingdom, because it is unnatural.

Some people need incentives to produce, to contribute their share to the whole. That incentive can be financial reward, or force, intimidation. I prefer the former, even if that, in you eyes, is slavery
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"While it is true that the ALL is all, It is equally true that the ALL is within all."
-The Kybalion-

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
-(The Buddha)
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Science Fiction writers are always ahead of the curve about the future and they rarely miss their marks.

Most of them write about a credit based system where you get credits(sort of debit cards) for work that you already do.

No money-- just labor, then credit marks to buy stuff.

Which means people can work as little or as much as they want depending on what they want out of life.


But for that to work, the basics need to be guarenteed and governments need to be the main employer.

Already--with the technology of today--a lot of people are kept working by government and big business just so they can have something to do.

They are not really needed.

In the future most people are not going to be needed to work for the things a Nation needs to care for it's people.

The Communists used to joke:

"We pretended to work and the government pretended to pay us"

Yet things still got done. Needs were still met. Most people were content.

And all those former Communist states were better off then, than they are now
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Explain, if you can, the difference between a credit based system (debit card) and a cash (fiat money) system.

The way I see it, some people today are paid their salary via a 'loadable debit card'. They then have the option of drawing some as cahs, or they can survive by doing every and all transations with the debit card.

The 'credit' you refer to is the same thing as MONEY, you fool
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I am not expressing righteousness.
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WRONG!

To say you are right is to pretend to be righteous! If you shut down my comments about the Mother, when you yourself HAVE A MOTHER, then you are being right in her name!

You talk about money, I talk about resources. As Julian Simon said, it is the little human who is the greatest resource.

Paul Ehrlich versus Julian Simon. Are humans good or bad. That question must be answered before we can have healthy commerce.
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Explain, if you can, the difference between a credit based system (debit card) and a cash (fiat money) system.

The way I see it, some people today are paid their salary via a 'loadable debit card'. They then have the option of drawing some as cahs, or they can survive by doing every and all transations with the debit card.

The 'credit' you refer to is the same thing as MONEY, you fool
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A real Thinker understands the ruse behind the money scam.

It's to make people believe that their is a finte anount of resources in the world.
And so people believe they have to worry, bitch and moan about what the next man is getting.

Yet, it's simple to see when you have a ten dollar debt--much less a 12 trillion dollars debt--that the world's resources has nothing to do with money, gold, or anything else--it's land,freedom,security, labor, peace, and the willingness to share.

That's what the real wealth is.

But you don't know that.

Most children do though, until they start listening to people like you
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A real Thinker understands the ruse behind the money scam.

It's to make people believe that their is a finite amount of resources in the world.

And so people believe they have to worry, bitch and moan about what the next man is getting.

Yet, it's simple to see when you have a ten dollar debt--much less a 12 trillion dollars debt--that the world's resources has nothing to do with money, gold, or anything else--it's land,freedom,security, labor, peace, and the willingness to share.

That's what the real wealth is.

But you don't know that.

Most children do though, until they start listening to people like you
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Congratulations on your level of understanding.

A money system is to the physical economy as a topo map is to physical geography. If you threw a topo map into a burning fireplace, would you look out the window expecting the rocks, roads, and land to burst into flame?

Recognizing that the present system is a hoax and a scam is but the first step.

Then, the cultural creative people must create a replacement.

Thank you for your contribution; and "Sweet Tomato" - I am with you - at least philosophically.

Levi Philos
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FINALY

someone else gets it!

i'd rather see money BURN!!!
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bump
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2 things the human race will have to combine and achieve before we evolve.

if we don't, it will be like a stagnant parasite within us all.
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Money, ok, i agree the system must change. But NO government means anarchy. And your neighbour shall rape you and your family and nobody will stop him when you already have a bullet in your head. BTW in nature there's nothing to be found without a government. Everything has it's order and laws. The government of our solar system is the sun. You shut her off you kill us all
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This you tube message from veterans against the Gulf wars is congruent with the thread title:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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NICE POSTS, 644. I have a lot of reading to do...
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Money, ok, i agree the system must change. But NO government means anarchy. And your neighbour shall rape you and your family and nobody will stop him when you already have a bullet in your head. BTW in nature there's nothing to be found without a government. Everything has it's order and laws. The government of our solar system is the sun. You shut her off you kill us all
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This video explains the original form of US governance: [link to www.youtube.com]

This is the short version... there is a longer version from the same people.

Also recommend Stefan Molyneux and Marc Stevens for writing and audio/video presentations on the voluntary society. I linked Molyneux back some in this thread. Stevens: [link to marcstevens.net]
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money alone isnt a problem, it starts to get ugly when you combine it with credit and interest rates.
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Still Love Governments?

Written by Marc Stevens Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:50

It's truly amazing despite all the crimes committed by governments, people still religiously cling to the idea governments are necessary to protect life, liberty and property. You can even point out governments not only have no duty to protect anyone, but also do a disasterous job at whatever they bother doing. Despite overwhelming evidence government is not only unnecessary, corrupt and a cancer on the world, its victims continue to revere them. Maybe this will help convince them governments are nothing more than gangs of killers, thieves and liars.

Show a friend who believes governments are necessary this copy of title 50 of the United States Code, section 1520 (this "law" was repealed in 1998 by those same people who said they were not wiretapping without a "warrant"). This "law" authorizes the "Department of Defense" to conduct chemical and biological warfare experiments on "civilian populations". You'll notice there is nothing in there about about informing the "civilian population" and getting their consent. While the only ones "notified" are "local civilian officials", there is nothing about getting consent first.

I seem to remember hearing something about a dictator in the middle east being accused of doing something like this.

It'll warm your heart to know chemical and biological agents are weapons of mass destruction. This means the "Department of Defense" conducts experiments on "civilian populations" with weapons of mass destruction. Maybe I'm just being cynical, I just don't think you protect people by attacking them with weapons of mass destruction. Maybe the anthrax attacks after 911 was just an authorized "experiment"?

If you think I'm "paranoid", consider all the "programs" conducted by governments that are "classified", where governments deny their existence for decades. MK-Ultra and Operation Northwoods are good examples. If attacking "civilian populations" with weapons of mass destruction is admitted and shamelessly advertised in the United States Code, then what is being hidden or "classified"? Don't worry, you only need to wait fifty or so years to find out.

Have any of the "local civilian officials" where you live ever notified you of a chemical and biological warfare "experiment" being conducted? Of course these "experiments" are harmless and for our benefit, that's why you and I are not informed. Once again, with government our consent is not necessary. Do you like the idea of being "experimented" on without your consent?

Yes, governments are wonderful, after all, without governments who'll conduct those lovely chemical and biological warfare "experiments" on entire populations? Who'll steal trillions of "dollars" worth of our energy every year? Who'll conduct horrific mind control "experiments" and domestic terrorists acts? Just how do you wage wars without governments?

Look at the hypocrisy, there are over 40,000 paramilitary raids conducted in the United States every year because "drugs are bad," while there are whole populations being attacked with weapons of mass destruction. Which group is doing the drugs here?

The government solution to every problem is simple: launch another attack on the people. When you think about it, that's about the only thing governments are good at. So if you're still a skeptic or know one, remember 50 USC section 1520 where the "Department of Defense" is authorized to conduct chemical and biological warfare "experiments" on populations.
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One example. For deeper reading refer to the "Free Your Mind Reports" at buildfreedom dot com and search for "Terra Libra"
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FINALY

someone else gets it!

i'd rather see money BURN!!!
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most of us get it, its the fact it will never happen. How else will they be ablt to control society.

until society crashes we will be run by a monetary system
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Science Fiction writers are always ahead of the curve about the future and they rarely miss their marks.

Most of them write about a credit based system where you get credits(sort of debit cards) for work that you already do.

No money-- just labor, then credit marks to buy stuff.

Which means people can work as little or as much as they want depending on what they want out of life.


But for that to work, the basics need to be guarenteed and governments need to be the main employer.

Already--with the technology of today--a lot of people are kept working by government and big business just so they can have something to do.

They are not really needed.

In the future most people are not going to be needed to work for the things a Nation needs to care for it's people.
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You are right.

So then, a question can be framed like this: Is the economy a sports car that has to keep its wheels rolling at a certain # of revolutions per t=n otherwise the wheels will fall off?

Because someone somewhere, who has studied his Oscar Schindler, feels the need to keep the hand of forward-pressing at the back of the human workforce. So workers are not allowed to relax at all.

This trend-toward-non-real-workplaces where competition is still held as the highest ideal, becomes self serving, like in a way, the Corporate arena gathers the rudest and most brutal people, who can fire scores of people (putting families on the street) at once.

That is who gravitates to the top of these Corporate pyramids today, the most ruthless. This is true across all lines of the globe.

So if you are right, and essentially R2D2 and C3PO are right around the corner, then how shall we identify the enemy, who wishes to A: hide that emerging droid-truth from humans, and B: program the droids for warfare (Palpatine) and not helping humans (like R2) and communicating between humans (3PO)?

I agree with what you are saying, but how do we slow down such that our first-generation droids can start to help us in our release from the economic work camps of today?

I am mixing my sci fi metaphors so you'll forgive me for that as I am zoned out right now, but where are the memes that will carry us into the time when R2 and C3PO can exist as aids to us rather than the opposite of that aka the borg-dead-flesh-Terminator-cyborg-endoskeleton paradigm of our present age?
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Re: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments
money alone isn't a problem, it starts to get ugly when you combine it with credit and interest rates.
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Credit is not the problem; it is incorrect bookkeeping that fails to assign the seigniorage to all of the people who actually give value to the hypothecation of the credit.

Interest on the other hand has been condemned by religions and widely recognized as a serious problem.

[quote=Levi Philos]Interest bearing hypothecated debt as the model for a monetary system grows the total debt in an exponential manner until the basic economy can no longer make the interest payments much less pay off the principle. Thereafter we enter a Kondratieff write-off of debt.

A German businessman supplied a solution (partial) and wrote a book about it that came out ~1919. Silvio Gesell.

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