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Welcome back Levi Philos.
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Thanks Gembuster; past my bedtime; I'm out of here.

At least with my banning here I getting some work done around the little Ponderosa.
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Redemption Manual 4.5 Edition Companion CD 08-25-2009.zip [9.86 MiB]
[link to forum.worldfreemansociety.org]

The balance contains 6 image files in JPEG format, 7 PDF files, and 49 MS Word files
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Nice package.

Unfortunately, M$ Word viruses, were the first ones to be made. I am not saying this package has virii, but it does have the similarly conspiratorial crapload of docx vs. doc versus txt files ...IT based crapload. A testament to how little the people actually understand about their tools.

I work with IT systems and structures. I noticed years ago, that computer systems would be used against humans. I found that the leaders in IT, A: saw the workers as the enemy, and B: knew their whole department was a cost, a thing to be reduced. I realized this around 1995 or so, shortly after 1993 world trade 1st FAILbomb.

Therefore do we now have stuxnet and all manner of craptastic wonderfully cancerous junk in our information technology companies and institutions.

Drones themselves are utterly stupid in their current technology path. Soon, a drone will strike, and they will have to hold a meeting to figure out who was controlling it at the moment of firing. Do you see the frame becoming smaller?

Anyway, this document package, describes how the 'mericans are gonna take it back "through the courts!" ...Which is doomed for the failboat, as all lawyers (esquires) are beholden to European powers. That is what wellspring which doth produce their titles and ennoblement.

I have suggested a method called "Superjury"(tm) on some other trooth domain on ye internetes. In this modality, all courts are replaced by mass-voting in stadiums. I advocate "The Wave" as a way to replace the ballot. People assembled peacefully, entertainingly, and humbly, inside stadiums around the world, voting actual issues, by doing "The Wave" ala USA invention of stadium celebratory communicative actions. People make their wave-vote by selection of direction, clockwise for yea, counterclockwise for nay.

I forget which trooth domain I posted this on, they all seem to blend together, turdlike. And yet, every turd has peanuts in it. But woe to him who must pick the peanut out from the loaf.

And if the trooth-domains of today, 2011, be loafed turdlike such that they block the G.I. tract of Earth (metaphorically speaking this is), and if the colon of Earth be blocked such that humanity itself is poisoned and septic with usurious ideas like "Everlasting Debt" and "Non-Forgiveness as Law", well, it is 100% certain that the universal enema, will occur. I am saying we could make it easy. We could make it fun. People need not feel that the complete and entire collapse of the old way, should separate them each from their neighbor. No, because Superjury (tm) will bond them in large groups, to decide the ten or twenty key issues, and to massively dispel the bad memes from the heads of the people of Earth.

The alternative to Superjury, of course, is Judge Dredd. You may also have seen Judge Dredd in the other form called "Jedi". Judge, Jury and Excecutioner, all because people did not converge to Superjury (tm). If you do not seize the jury, as a right for the people, it will be used to bring executioners. That is the point as I explained on some other trooth domain.

Nice thread here! One for the ages!
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Outside the Asylum - of money mad people; written by Jet Graphics, and revised November 4, 2008

MONEY IS:

[1] A medium of exchange

[2] Accounting symbol

[3] Proportional to marketplace

MONEY HAS:

[4] No intrinsic value outside of the marketplace

MONEY IS NOT:

[5] real

MONEY CANNOT:

[6] be saved nor save "value"

[7] be invested, at usury, in a finite money token system

[8] be owned, in the sense that it can be bought and sold

MONEY SHOULD NOT:

[9] be limited or under restriction, save that of the marketplace

[10] be under the control of parasites (government, usurers)

[11] be worshiped

[12] be a goal of one's life

[1,2,3] Money is a medium of exchange that facilitates the creation and trade of usable (surplus) goods and services. It is a mechanism that simplifies trade of different items, services, and volumes. As an accounting symbol, for the value of all goods and services in the marketplace, it must be proportional to that marketplace. If it ceases to be proportional, then someone will suffer inequitable trade. Therefore an equitable money system cannot be scarce, nor have intrinsic value independent of the marketplace, for which it is an abstraction for.
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Preface:
If you comprehend that usury, socialism, and pauperization are wrong. And if you decide that you do not wish to consent to subjugation as a citizen, obedient to the servant government. Nor do you wish to live as a pauper, dependent upon charity from the public treasury. And you wish to enjoy your Creator's endowment of dominion over the earth, and sovereignty (*Self Rule) over your person, labor and that which you traded your labor for...
Now What?

Facts we know:

[] Private property ownership and sovereignty are inseparable. A king without a domain is sovereign over nothing but himself. He needs permission (license) everywhere he goes, lest he trespasses.
[] Natural and personal liberty are exercised by American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled within the U.S.A.
[] The constitutional government recognizes the rules of the common law, regarding private property, if the value in question exceeds 20 dollars (gold or silver).
[] Private property shall not be taken for public use, without just compensation (lawful money).


Problems we know of:

[] The servant government is bankrupt, and beholden to usurers.
[] Constitutional lawful money is scarce, and insufficient to operate as an efficient medium of exchange.
[] Usury, Socialism, and other abominations have perverted the servant government, and the people who have submitted to it, via citizenship and national socialism.
[] Land and housing costs, denominated in dollars, but are actually in reference to Federal Reserve notes (no par value), are grossly overpriced, and cannot be equitably purchased with lawful money at this time. The exchange rate between worthless notes and lawful money is inequitable.
[] The usury and income tax inflated economy is going through a "correction", where a proportion of debtors and unsecured creditors will be dispossessed of their valuable property.


Problems we can expect:

[] The suffering and pain of the "correction" will trigger unpleasant reactions, ranging from individual acts of senseless violence, to organized predation, as people try to stay alive.
[] The complex and vulnerable network of international trade that usurers feed upon is tottering. As the recession reduces trade, raises the cost for shipping, reduces the amount of imported goods, fuel, and other necessities, stocks will be depleted over time. Once those stocks are gone, no amount of money will matter, for the marketplace will be bare.
[] Fear and panic will trigger irrational behavior, unreasonable demands, and may instigate a draconian backlash (martial law?).


My personal subjective prescription:

A. Educate yourself, ASAP
B. Set your goals - whether simple survival, or restoration of lost status, or the creation of long term prosperity.
C. Find agreeable folks, who you can cooperate with, and acquire enough land to build a village (preferable defensible).
D. Establish enterprises that can produce surplus goods and services, food and necessities, so that you and yours can prosper outside of the money mad society.
E. Live a balanced and moderate life, taking time to enjoy living while making a livelihood.
F. Accumulate a stock of necessities, sufficient to survive 24 months - just in case.
G. And may you find yourself blissfully unaffected by the chaos erupting all around.

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III.

He who has wisdom will comprehend what true wealth is.

Is true wealth a large quantity of money tokens, or a full storehouse?
Is true wealth a life locked into mindless labor for the benefit of
others, whose support you were tricked into providing?
Is true wealth a life of unproductive consumption of the goods and
services other people produced?
Is true wealth a life of boredom, distraction, petty tantrums and self
destructive amusements?

Or is true wealth based on enriching yourself, your family and
friends, with the bounty of your prodigious output of goods and services?

And don't forget morality - it may be lawful under the LAW OF THE
JUNGLE to prey upon others, but it is not moral under the LAW OF LOVE.

Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Involuntary charity is a curse.

Someday, we may awaken to wisdom and honor those who contribute more
for less, sacrifice for the benefit of others, and harmlessly support
their right to life by creative and productive activity.



[4] Money, as an accounting system, has no function if there is nothing in the marketplace to buy. Though a market can function without money, money cannot facilitate trade if there is nothing for sale. A sum of money without anything to buy has no value. (Mythical Gilligan's Island parable - Thurston Howell's sum of money cannot buy rescue nor buy anything unless the islanders first find it, make it, and will sell it.)

[5] An accounting system, by which one tracks the market value of items, goods, and services, should not be something from within the marketplace. In fact, if one uses an item taken from the marketplace, a mathematical error will occur. In set theory, if M (money) is proportional to S (sum of all goods / services), making anything from S, will generate a paradox. For this example, if G (gold) is deemed to be the preferred money token, and it is 1% of the whole Sum, we can set up the equation:

G = (.01 S)

BUT

We must now make G have a value proportional to the whole set (S), so that we can trade.

G (proportional to) S.

So 1/10 G can buy 1/10 S.

HOWEVER

Gold, which is 1% of Sum of all, can buy all. Yet G is a subset of S.

G = (.01S), so (0.01S) = S.

One percent of the gold, as "money", can buy all the gold (which represents 1% of S).

See the problem now?

Anything of intrinsic value from within the marketplace cannot be used as money (an abstraction for the marketplace). Especially since the marketplace varies, disproportionate to the item deemed to be money. "Hard Money" results in economic distress from inequitable trade.

[6] If money is a mechanism to account for value, facilitate trade, and is proportional to the marketplace, you cannot "save" it. Taking money out of circulation only prevents it from its function - moving goods and services equitably. In fact, the more money taken out of circulation by hoarding / saving, the less trade can occur, since there is not enough money tokens to facilitate trade. By making money scarce (disproportionate to the marketplace), the sellers cannot sell, or must accept LESS money. If they cannot sell, they suffer. And if have to accept less money, they cannot equitably trade (nor pay outstanding bills). Money, as an abstraction for value, cannot store value, no more than one can save 4 hours of a plumber's labor, nor compel a storehouse to fill with a harvest by holding money in a vault.

[7] Though we might think we're "saving" money when we deposit it with bankers (usurers), buy bonds (usury) or "invest" it in stock corporations, for interest (usury), we are not. The money is put into circulation, facilitating trade. The usurer charges a fee, in money, for the use of that money,and pays a portion to the investor.

However, if the money token system is finite (as is precious metal coin), aggregate usury is impossible to pay. The sum of principle and interest owed exceeds the whole set of available money tokens. A proportion of debtors will default, simply because the money does not exist. And they will lose their valuable property pledged as collateral on the debt. That is why usury is proscribed as an abomination, and denounced by almost all religions (except Satanism).

When we're told that it's "wise to invest", mathematics says we are unwise.

For example, if "everybody" invested 10% of their money, within one time unit of usury, the resulting debt would be impossible to discharge.


S (whole sum of money), and 0.1 S (10% invested, at usury), for 10% simple interest per time unit, computes to:

1.1 x (0.1 S) = 0.11 S

BUT

0.9 S + 0.11 S = 1.01 S

To pay the usury, the money supply (S) would have to grow 1%. If the supply is static or cannot grow at the necessary rate, investors will be unable to be paid. Debtors will default. Someone will suffer.

This problem is compounded when the money token is borrowed into existence at usury. Each unit created imposes an obligation for more money, which, in turn, can only be created by greater debt. Ergo, debt-credit money tokens are catastrophic tools that destroy productive societies for the benefit of parasites and predators.

[* special note : in America's case, the bimetallic standard was another disaster in the making. A simple solution would be to make the unit dollar a silver coin, and designate a gold coin as an eagle, without stipulating any proportionality, by law. That way, the market value of the silver to gold would not create havoc. Contracts payable in dollars might be negotiated with eagles, but that would be a private agreement, not imposed by statutory law.]

[8] There are many people who believe that money must have an intrinsic value, such as precious metal (gold, silver, platinum) or it violates religious law. However, I sincerely doubt that God would impose a money token system that cannot function equitably. The marketplace of goods and services can always grow larger from (a) rising population of laborers, (b) tools that multiply the labor, and (c) automation that produces goods and services without additional input of labor. If the money token system is finite, composed of scarce precious metal coin, it will impose chaos. The harder you work or produce, the less money you earn. If you are in debt, the harder you work, or produce, the less you earn, and thus cannot pay your creditor. Scarce money is a recipe for economic disaster. In fact, scarcity of money drives demand for credit, at usury, offered by bankers.

Therefore, a sound money system (honest accounting) cannot be composed of any "thing" that can be bought or sold in the marketplace, if equitable trade is to exist. It would be as absurd as charging a fee to make each tick mark on a tablet, used to keep score. (Imagine playing "MONOPOLY" and you had to pay rent for the use of paper money.)

[9] For a "free market" to truly exist, the medium of exchange has to be free to grow / shrink in proportion to it. If any disproportionality exists, either the seller or the buyer will be cheated. Those who can manipulate the illusion of abstract money can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Mankind has suffered from the predation of usurers for millennia. And we still willingly cooperate with those who prey upon us. Worse, we are indoctrinated to copy them, and debase ourselves, and "run with the pack". And it's no surprise when folks are "thrown to the wolves!"

One way that the supply of money tokens can adjust is when producers / laborers of new goods and services can issue private promissory notes (ex: coupons) denominated in that which they can do, have or produce. A farmer can issue notes denominated in harvest, or animals, or products. Laborers can issue notes denominated in hours of labor or specific services. Enterprises can issue notes, denominated in that which they offer. A restaurant can issue notes, denominated in meals, or other services.

When the note is tendered to the maker, it is extinguished when the trade is completed. If an entrepreneur needs to purchase goods or services, but has no "money", he can emit promises (notes) to capitalize. He need not beg for debt-credit, at usury, from a bankster. He then discharges his promises, when his enterprise is up and running, without the burden of usury, nor the requirement to fight for a share of scarce money tokens.

[10] A money system should not be under the control of parasites (government, usurers), who produce no goods nor services. A government may offer its services for oversight and offering recourse and remedy, in the pursuit of justice (giving everyman his due).

A private promissory note money token system, by itself, would probably be limited in scope to a local community, where the people knew the credit worthiness of the note makers.

For a larger marketplace, a widely circulating note / money token, is necessary. A bank, acting as a note warehouse, may be one solution. A note could be tendered, discounted by the bank, and bank notes given in exchange. There would be no pressure to create new money tokens, because there would be no usury, nor compound interest. The bank can either tender the note for discharge (making profit from the discount) or sell it to another.

[11] Obviously, we've been taught to worship money, chase after it, be persuaded to act against our better natures, by it. That must change. And the first place change occurs is within each individual.

[12] We must all awaken from the nightmare where money was the goal of one's life work. True prosperity is the creation, exchange, and the time to enjoy those necessary goods and services we produce. Any other activity is counterproductive, including conquest, usury, predation, theft, and parasitism.

Final Note: One of the easiest ways to 'enslave' people (compel them to work at inequitable compensation) is to obligate them to pay money tokens, especially when those money tokens are scarce. Governments and usurers rely upon that fact, when they tax us. Without scarce money tokens, there would be no demand for the bankster's "service" - extension of credit at usury. Without the obligation to pay taxes, in money, the burden of government would be lessened.
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"Old Dick Eastman" video posting on Social Credit:

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Links to Social Credit writings are found on page 20 of this thread: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 20)
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The Money That Is Sold Abroad Is You!

A Stefan Molyneux video: youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-SLRyuRq0

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Gold is Not a Solution to Monetary Reform

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The latest version of THE SECRET OF OZ by Bill Still

www.STILL2012.com. This version finally cuts several bogus quotes which have festered in the monetary reform literature for decades.

The world economy is doomed to spiral downwards until we do 2 things: outlaw government borrowing; 2. outlaw fractional reserve lending. Banks should only be allowed to lend out money they actually have and nations do not have to run up a "National Debt". Remember: It's not what backs the money, it's who controls its quantity.
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"Money"

is generally speaking of two basic origins (or forms if you so prefer)

First is a variation on the warehouse receipt where the money-symbol is a bearer title to some value already in existence and where you may present the money-title and gain possession of the value.

Second is a variation on a contract where the money-symbol is a bearer title to some value that has been promised to be created and delivered at some time and place in the future. This type contract is created via the double-entry bookkeeping process Griffin exposes as "The Mandrake Mechanism."

In both the first and second example the primary question laying somewhere in the subconscious (or a conscious question) is this: "How and who is providing for specific performance of contract?"

And the universal answer is that there must be an insurance like function embedded within the monetary system where risk of non-performance is spread among all users of the system and where the person responsible for said non-performance is penalized in some manner.

The insurance function may be provided by universal demurrage applied to all money-symbols and accounts of record.

The penalty may be provided by the use of performance bonds in the form of deposits of precious metal coins or bullion bars that are generally recognized as having a fairly universal value.
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"Money"

is a special extension of language - a communication or set of associated methods of communicating distribution and ownership of each day's production of commodities and finished products.

A money system is a cultural decision making machine that allows the rationalization for the allocation of all intellectual and physical labor of humans.

Credit arises from the people.

To say that "there is a shortage of credit" in the presence of tasks that need workers and people able and available to perform those tasks is a special form of insanity.

Money as a communication is unlimited.
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Austerity and Liquidation Don't Cure Depression --
They ARE Depression!!!

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Richard Eastman, populist candidate for president
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Dick Eastman supplies Social Credit answers to the Austrian School of Economics

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Part 2: [link to www.youtube.com]
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At 18:45 below



The chances of this happening were 100%

Imagine the strength it takes, to be a lemming in the crowd, and to just simply stop running?

It takes great anti-lemmingry, to stop running, and try to survive the crowd which is now running past you full speed.

Just reversing the instinct for thanatos, destruction, is the first step. But you will have to redefine your value system from the ground up.
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Here is a question:

Are corporate or muni "bonds", as good as gold?

to a blind person, a handful of gold, and a handful of tungsten, would weigh the same. Perhaps even smell the same?

But one is nigh-worthless.
And the other, is the most hypnotic metal on Earth.

Can we say that an authority, can be as hypnotic, as gold? The power of the Nazis, and Goering's slave-industry. Was that an effective coining of gold, from blood? Hmmm.

And can any authority, a corporate board or municipality, or church let us say, also be as worthless, as tungsten?

Can a corporate board or a municipalitic corporation, or church be full of both assholes, and saints, i.e. tungsten and gold?

That is to say, a municipal corporate board or commercial corporate board, can each be considered like a discrete bar of gold. But each corporate board, and each municipal body, can be salted with tungsten. And therefore, a little leaven, can be said to ferment the whole bar?

So in the quest for purer gold, won't you seek better corporations, meaning, better authority?

And therefore, seek the latter first, and you will have the former. Would be my advice. Only by restoring the concept of "the body" meaning, restoring honor to corporate forms, can you ever remove all the tungsten from the gold.
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Can we say that an authority, can be as hypnotic, as gold? The power of the Nazis, and Goering's slave-industry. Was that an effective coining of gold, from blood? Hmmm.

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More on coining metals from blud...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Reichswerke Hermann Göring was an industrial conglomerate of Nazi Germany. It was established in July 1937 to extract and process domestic iron ores from Salzgitter that were deemed uneconomical by the privately held steel mills. The state-owned Reichswerke was seen as a vehicle of hastening growth in ore mining and steel output regardless of private capitalists' plans and opinions, which ran contrary to Adolf Hitler's strategic vision. In November 1937 Hermann Göring obtained unchecked access to state financing and launched a chain of mergers, diversifying into military industries with the absorption of Rheinmetall. Göring himself supervised the Reichswerke but did not own it in any sense and did not make personal profit from it directly, although at times he withdrew cash for personal expenses.[1]

After the Anschluss the Reichswerke absorbed Austrian heavy industries, including those owned by private German investors. The cluster of steel mills and supporting companies in Linz became its most important asset. Nazi leadership regarded captured assets as the property of the state and were not willing to share the spoils with German businesses.[2] After the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia the Reichswerke absorbed between 50 and 60 per cent of Czech heavy industries.[3] The pattern was repeated in occupied Poland, France and the Soviet Union. The Reichswerke operated captured assets as far from its base as Liepāja in Latvia and Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine.[4] It provided one-eighth of German steel output during World War II[5] and created a Nazi-controlled military complex that was independent of private interests.[6] By the end of 1941 the Reichswerke became the largest company in Europe[7] and probably in the whole world, with a capital of 2.4 billion reichsmark and about half a million workers.[8]
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Now, it says above that "By the end of 1941, RHG was the largest company in the whole world.

Tell me now, where exactly were the German Generals and soldiery at the end of 1941?

They were starving, and having their feet turn black from frostbite.

Hence, you cannot discuss ore/metals/bullion/specie with any intelligence, until you understand blud and forstbite and hunger, and how these correlate directly into gold coins in a fat man's money bag.

What is the difference between Goring, and Oscar Schindler of the fine Hollwodd film "Schindler's List"? As the dude says in the movie "What is money, compared to a human life?" The irony here is as thick as austrian syrup.
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This planet is mostly pigs breeding more pigs and pigs don't like to share.
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I have explained that conspiracy is the water that civilization floats upon.

I have explained what a "blueprint" is, it's a fictional sketch of something you want to build. Only people with capital, or architects, dream in blueprint forms. It takes money-power to build wonders, and you have to sketch them first.

"Atlas Shrugged" was a blueprint/sketch by Anna Rosenbaum, child of Capitalists killed by Bolsheviks.

"Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" is another such true blueprint. Allegedly found on some copy machine? Derp. Thanks to whatever absent minded clerk did that eh?

"Iron Mtn Report" is another such blueprint/sketch. It is dreaming out loud, as in the occult philosophy that what we say is what we do, and when we say something in front of you and then do it, we therefore have power over you. Simply put that is the occult operative mechanism behind fiction as blueprint.

How shall the world be grasped, if there are not those whose fingertips gently stroke the cords by which it be grasped? How shall the grasping occur if those cords are not gently counted and gathered into one fist? How shall the fist of the world, grab the cords of the world, if there isn't someone to type a paragraph using cords and fist and world as words to program your mind to expect it?

I could be a conspiracy "theorist", or a conspiracy factualist as term I see coined below. Ah yes, I like conspiracy factualist much much better. Thanks here to David Kramer for the new term, "conspiracy factualist".

Yes,it is a fact, that blueprints are fictionalized truths. They do represent a building, but only the potential of a building. Blueprints are both fact and fiction, as such.

So factually, how does one write a fictional blueprint?


[link to www.lewrockwell.com]

December 1, 2009
'Report from Iron Mountain': Better Late than Never

Posted by David Kramer on December 1, 2009 10:20 AM

Back in 1967 a "fictional" book was printed entitled, Report from Iron Mountain. It allegedly revealed the plans for a One World Government. Here's an excerpt (page 51 of the report, not the pdf) from this "fictional" report written back in 1967:

Nevertheless, an effective political substitute for war would require "alternate enemies," some of which might seem equally far fetched in the context of the current war system. It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation and a half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution.

Conspiracy "theory" has finally become conspiracy fact.


Then today...


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January 1, 2012
Report from Iron Mountain
Posted by David Kramer on January 1, 2012

Back in 1967, a book was published called Report from Iron Mountain. It put forth the claim that "it was authored by a Special Study Group of fifteen men whose identities were to remain secret and that it was not intended to be made public. It details the analyses of a government panel which concludes that war, or a credible substitute for war, is necessary if governments are to maintain power." The author of the book's introduction, Leonard Lewin, later claimed that the book was a hoax. But conspiracy factualists didn't buy his claim. Guess who was right?


At any time, a capitalist or architect, can refer to a blueprint, as a building or a sketch. The context is set by them, for it is they who have the capital to do grand scale building.

Can't we say that people like Newton, dreamed in the blueprints of math? Isn't math just a blueprint? Therefore do not economists and politicians just sketch what they think might work? And yet, don't all their sketches and math, eventually go into the fire? Do not all the sketches of economists, result in death, wars and ruin?
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Get rid of the money system, then get rid of governments
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this is the central pivot of FREE PLANET, that and the end of all PROFIT MAKING.

:)

Onwards towards a responsible (and re-wilded) planetary future.
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at 8:22 Ben explains who is stealing Japan's money, surely a century-old game as per Jacob Schiff and whomever backed him.

Key phrase "World Level Gangsters"

It's like a bunch of blind people explaining an elephant (or an octopus). "An elephant is like a snake!" says the man holding the elephant's tail. And the other one says "No, it's like a tree trunk" as he hugs the leg of the elephant, and they each have a part of the elephant.

But there's a very smart blind man not mentioned in this classic tale. He's the blind man who says: "Whatever an elephant is, its fucking huge so watch out."

But say blind men hold an octopus?

How shall these blind men count the tentacles?

And can an octopus kill a human with its beak? Whatever blind man's fingers find the octopus' beak is soon to have a definition quite different than those who hold the soft and gentle parts of it.
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Topical here:

[link to upintelligence.multiply.com]

A stamp in 1875 for 1/8th of a barrel of beer?

Take one down

Pass it around

999,999,999,999 stamps of beer on the wall

Hmm, beer stamps in 1875... Who uses child labor in their vineyards? Who sells booze and heroin to the natives? Who uses slavery as their tool to riches?

Hmm, who said impious beer-hating Kings must die?

Hmm, how long between 1875 and the 18th Amendment? Was Woody Wilson a Jesuit as Mandell House was? And how long have their group been using little boys' feet to smash the grapse that make them rich?

18th Amendment made both the FBI/IRS and the Mafia as well. And to whom do the Mafia and the Jesuits tithe?

And that was before 1933. QUESTION: Were beer stamps confiscated in 1933 as well? Get on it an post the answer here. Or don't, it doesn't matter anyway. ;)
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Charles Eisenstein has written a book in printed form and free online; chapter 15 sets out some important conceptual models:

[link to www.realitysandwich.com]


The correct link to chapter 19 is: [link to www.realitysandwich.com]
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Here: [link to www.metacurrency.org] is writer Eric Harris-Braun on 10/22/2010 looking forward and making a prediction.

Read the entire piece, but focus on this powerful paragraph: “When I was growing up in Ecuador, I remember being in the marketplace where I saw a man sitting at a table with a pen and paper. He was listening to a customer and was writing away like mad. I remember not understanding what that man was selling. Was he composing a poem on the spot? I couldn't imagine the visibly poor customer wanting a poem. So I asked my parents who told me that he was selling the writing itself; that the customer was illiterate and needed to send a letter and so would pay the man to write the letter. I remember being amazed by this at the time, but then forgot about it pretty quickly. This story comes back to me now that I've come to understand that almost all of us in the world are doing exactly the same thing as those illiterate customers I saw in my youth. We are illiterate and don't even know it. We don't recognize that there is a form of "writing" we hire others to do for us but could learn ourselves. This form of writing is the writing of wealth acknowledgments, and what we call it is money.

Eric Harris-Braun goes on to describe money as a writing; I have been calling money a communication.

Grasp that concept and you too are looking forward.
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Hummel on Seigniorage

From this page: [link to wfhummel.cnchost.com]

Paragraph at the bottom with one line bolded:

Who Really Benefits from Seigniorage?

As the late economist Herb Stein observed, "The government is no one; there is nobody here but us people." In other words, government should be viewed as a public trust, rather than the people who work for it. All citizens, including government officials, are tax-payers and consumers of government services. It follows therefore that the seigniorage benefits accrue to the people as a whole and not the government itself.
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Goverrments are the real parasites they are like leech sucking blood on the people while they are doing nothing.

They are exactly like the mafia but without a code of honor.

They are put in place by higher parasites those behind the curtain who send your children as canon fodder for their little monopoly game.

Since the whole population is brain dead don't expect any change ever and enjoy being the slave.
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Awesome shit here, Benjamin says he tactically advised his allies to nuke-tsunami the East Coast.

There's a lot of flabblebabble these days, but Ben's stuff is epic. I mean the guy does speak Japanese and he seems to say the right things.

But as internet persona "Reinhardt" has explained, canal building is used by colonizing and land grabbing forces.

How about a right to dig your own grave? Isn't that a right?

And what if ye dig not a grave, but a sepulchur, in which to hold the bones of all the ones you love? Shalln't that also be a right? Can anyone say it is not a right, to dig a mass grave for you and your family, as the rich people do? They call these crypts or whatever, but what they really are, is radiation shelters.

Yes because a nuke bunker is also a tomb if you run out of food. However on the converse, if you could reinforce a grave sufficiently and wire some solar and water collection above ground, why, a grave would suit a person quite nicely, as an underground home.

Therefore shalln't we say that a man and a woman have the right to dig themselves an underground house? Isn't a trick of law, if lawyers call it a "structure" and thereby attach codes? Nay, for ye prohibit the people to dig their own graves. That is something even Satan cannot abide.

Therefore I assume the words of Satan would be, let us have a person to person right to dig their own grave, and call it a radiation shelter. If you could provoke the courts to allow that right, the smart ones would use that right, to dig into the Earth.

Think of the film Dr. Strangelove, but democratized, with each citizen being allowed to close the 'mineshaft gap'.

Think about it. A COTUS amendment that allows the right to dig shelter in which to possibly die. Call it a bunker, a grave a dugout, a home. How else to escape radiation?
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They floated the East Coast tsunami thing even before 9/11. One of the tricks in their bags.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Wednesday, 29 August, 2001

Giant wave devastation feared

By BBC News Online's environment correspondent Alex Kirby

An immense wave could one day wreak havoc on the eastern seaboard of the US and elsewhere around the Atlantic.

It's entirely possible you'd see 50-metre waves coming ashore in Florida, New York, Boston, all the way up to Greenland, and in some cases reaching up to 10 km inland

Dr Simon Day

Scientists say a volcanic eruption on the Canary Islands, off West Africa, could trigger a vast undersea landslide.
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Is Ben here claiming that he came up with the idea?

Cause this article above says "scientists" came up with the East Coast tidal wave idea.

Ben, don't take credit from "scientists" if it's not your to take. The rest of your report is decent but we must give "scientists" credit if they cause massive devastation via collapsing land into the ocean or detonating explosives causing tidal wave upon families. Let's give them their due, because after all, science means progress.

I do appreciate the idea in the video above, to try and build a better world.
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Charles Eisenstein; Sacred Economics

FREE: [link to www.realitysandwich.com]

You cannot keep doing the same thing while expecting different results.

This monetary system must be fundamentally redesigned, and Eisenstein has some good ideas and principles.
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Fading Memory Money, by Leonardo Wild of Ecuador

[link to tech.groups.yahoo.com]
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Henry George, Progress and Poverty: [link to www.henrygeorge.org]
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