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Toyota Recall: Don't Drive Recalled Toyotas Til Fixed, Transportation Secretary LaHood Says
KEN THOMAS | 02/ 3/10

WASHINGTON — Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told Toyota owners Wednesday they should stop driving their vehicles, then quickly took back his words, adding to confusion over the safety of millions of recalled cars. Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare – and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes.

The final word from LaHood: "What I meant to say or what I thought I said was, if you own one of these cars or if you're in doubt, take it to the dealer and they're going to fix it."

The back-and-forth played out as word surfaced that Toyota Motor Corp. also has been the subject of more than 100 complaints in the U.S. and Japan about brake problems with the popular Prius gas-electric hybrid, which is not part of the recall. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has received about 100 complaints, two of them involving crashes that resulted in injuries. In addition, Japan's transport ministry said it had received 14 complaints.

Rep. Bart Stupak, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce investigative subcommittee, said he planned to ask Toyota about the complaints related to the Prius.

Further clouding the picture for consumers: the notion that problems could extend beyond Toyota vehicles. Federal officials have widened their investigation of malfunctioning gas pedals to see if the same problem exists in cars made by other auto companies.

The traffic safety agency said it had sent a letter to CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals for Toyota, to find out more about the pedals it has manufactured for other auto companies, including Honda, Nissan and a small number of Fords in China. CTS has been adamant that the issues are limited to Toyota alone.

The Toyota recall in the U.S. covers 2.3 million vehicles and involves 2009-10 RAV4 crossovers, 2009-10 Corollas, 2009-10 Matrix hatchbacks, 2005-10 Avalons, 2007-10 Camrys, 2010 Highlander crossovers, 2007-10 Tundra pickups and 2008-10 Sequoia SUVs. The recalls also extend to Europe and China, covering nearly 4.5 million vehicles overall.

Toyota said the sticking gas pedal situation is unusual and "generally does not occur suddenly. In the rare instances where it does occur, the vehicle can be controlled with firm and steady application of the brakes."

LaHood said the government is considering civil penalties against the carmaker but that it appeared "Toyota is making an all-out effort to do all that they can to fix these cars."

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said plenty of questions remain.

"Obviously, there are concerns regarding the consistency of information that is entering the public domain," he said.
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Really you just get home from work?
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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.
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Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood now says he misspoke when telling owners of recalled Toyotas to stop driving then.

Instead, LaHood says take them to dealerships to get them repaired.

LaHood told reporters it was "obviously a misstatement" when he told a House panel earlier Wednesday that he would advise owners not to drive recalled vehicles. The remark came during testimony to the Appropriations subcommittee on transportation.

[link to wcbstv.com]
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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.
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Does that mean they are safe to drive? That he will accept the lawsuits?

By taking it back he says they are safe?
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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.


Does that mean they are safe to drive? That he will accept the lawsuits?

By taking it back he says they are safe?
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Toyota is telling you their cars are safe except the ones that got problems. lol

Got one and want to get rich crash you Toyota into something and go for it!
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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.


Does that mean they are safe to drive? That he will accept the lawsuits?

By taking it back he says they are safe?
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What do you mean, "That he will accept the lawsuits?" What lawsuits? Against LaHood?

This is just a standard recall, and they're making it out like your Toyota might explode and vaporize you while driving. How many cars have had their pedals stuck? 3? 5? Out of what? 6 million? This is waaaaayyyy overblown and, in my opinion, and attempt by the administration to destroy Toyota's reputation to the benefit of the government's wholely owned subsidiaries, GM and Chrysler.

Before you call me a wide-eyed conspiracy theorist, these are the same people who, for the past 30 years, have been extorting banks, credit card companies, and mortgage lenders, to get them to make loans to people they knew couldn't make the payments, but it was politically expedient to just make the loans and eat the losses, rather than fight the lawsuits. This is how these people work.

This is why the government should stay out of private industry. Government has a monopoly on the use of force, and if it has an interest in the game, it has an interest in cheating, because it doesn't have to answer for its indiscretions, like its still-privately-owned competition.
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I don't think so. For decades Toyota and the other imports have received a free pass on the recall which always target the US brands for something as simple as a loose wiper blade or squeeky dash, while Toyotas were running fireballs kept out of the media. Now that the US autos are in second place and Toyota has plants in country they are revealed for what they are, a cheap safety hazzard.

"Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare – and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes."

I think the Highway Patrol found out different. The breaks won't stop the runaways. Maybe if they had the lifetime warranty US made breaks. Out of luck there.
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I don't think so. For decades Toyota and the other imports have received a free pass on the recall which always target the US brands for something as simple as a loose wiper blade or squeeky dash, while Toyotas were running fireballs kept out of the media. Now that the US autos are in second place and Toyota has plants in country they are revealed for what they are, a cheap safety hazzard.

"Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare – and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes."

I think the Highway Patrol found out different. The breaks won't stop the runaways. Maybe if they had the lifetime warranty US made breaks. Out of luck there.
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I guess we shall see, shan't we?

By the way, according to your article, the brakes in question were made by CTS, an Indiana company. Last time I checked, Indiana is still in the United States.

Or, did you mean to say "lifetime warranty of union-made brakes" as opposed to "US made brakes?"
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I don't think so. For decades Toyota and the other imports have received a free pass on the recall which always target the US brands for something as simple as a loose wiper blade or squeeky dash, while Toyotas were running fireballs kept out of the media. Now that the US autos are in second place and Toyota has plants in country they are revealed for what they are, a cheap safety hazzard.

"Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare – and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes."

I think the Highway Patrol found out different. The breaks won't stop the runaways. Maybe if they had the lifetime warranty US made breaks. Out of luck there.
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Or, could it be that those foreign-made cars really didn't have nearly as many problems as the American cars? It's just anecdotal, but I've had an Acura, a Honda, and three Jeep Wranglers (You're welcome for buying American. I wouldn't do it, but I just love Jeeps. I wish Toyota made them and not Chrysler.) in my life.

The Acura and Honda ran perfectly for over 100,000 miles each. The first Jeep broke down 3 times in the first 1000 miles, and they had to give me a new one because of lemon laws. I drove the second Jeep over 100,000 miles with no problems. My new Jeep (2004) had two bad spark plugs put in it at the factory and broke down on my way home from the dealership, the front differential is completely shot, and I had to replace the main shock (the one under the hood) after 40,000 miles, at a cost of $800 because it wasn't covered by warranty.

Maybe there are few recalls of foreign cars because they just make better cars. Ever think about that, or it that kind of thinking not tolerated around UAW Local 312? Here in Alabama, we make Hyundais, Hondas, and Mercedes with non union labor. My company's Sonata runs great, has over 50,000 miles, and hasn't had so much as a brake light go out.
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Or, could it be that those foreign-made cars really didn't have nearly as many problems as the American cars? It's just anecdotal, but I've had an Acura, a Honda, and three Jeep Wranglers (You're welcome for buying American. I wouldn't do it, but I just love Jeeps. I wish Toyota made them and not Chrysler.) in my life.
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What

The old LANDCRUZERS were bad ass!
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I don't think so. For decades Toyota and the other imports have received a free pass on the recall which always target the US brands for something as simple as a loose wiper blade or squeeky dash, while Toyotas were running fireballs kept out of the media. Now that the US autos are in second place and Toyota has plants in country they are revealed for what they are, a cheap safety hazzard.

"Toyota, for its part, tried to reassure drivers that sticky gas pedals have been rare – and the cars can be stopped in any event by firmly stepping on the brakes."

I think the Highway Patrol found out different. The breaks won't stop the runaways. Maybe if they had the lifetime warranty US made breaks. Out of luck there.
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Or, could it be that those foreign-made cars really didn't have nearly as many problems as the American cars? It's just anecdotal, but I've had an Acura, a Honda, and three Jeep Wranglers (You're welcome for buying American. I wouldn't do it, but I just love Jeeps. I wish Toyota made them and not Chrysler.) in my life.

The Acura and Honda ran perfectly for over 100,000 miles each. The first Jeep broke down 3 times in the first 1000 miles, and they had to give me a new one because of lemon laws. I drove the second Jeep over 100,000 miles with no problems. My new Jeep (2004) had two bad spark plugs put in it at the factory and broke down on my way home from the dealership, the front differential is completely shot, and I had to replace the main shock (the one under the hood) after 40,000 miles, at a cost of $800 because it wasn't covered by warranty.

Maybe there are few recalls of foreign cars because they just make better cars. Ever think about that, or it that kind of thinking not tolerated around UAW Local 312? Here in Alabama, we make Hyundais, Hondas, and Mercedes with non union labor. My company's Sonata runs great, has over 50,000 miles, and hasn't had so much as a brake light go out.
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The unions had nothing to do with US auto problems, it was the open border unfair trade practices-WASHINGTON.

The propblem is believed to be electronic not the pedal mech made in Indiana, and if you check the link they've revised the article removing much and it's all different...
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The unions had nothing to do with US auto problems, it was the open border unfair trade practices-WASHINGTON.

The propblem is believed to be electronic not the pedal mech made in Indiana, and if you check the link they've revised the article removing much and it's all different...
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Nope. Still there. From your HuffPo link:
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, asked CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals behind Toyota's latest recall, if the same problem could exist for other automakers. CTS makes pedals for Honda, Nissan and a small number of Ford vehicles in China, but the auto supplier has said the issues are limited to Toyota alone."

As far as the electionic issue, here ya go:
"Toyota has said it investigated for electronic problems and failed to find a single case pointing that direction."

As far as NAFTA, that has nothing to do with the quality of the cars. The cars are still made in Detroit, and they suck.

Most reliable cars for 2009, from Consumer Reports (Not many American cars in there, are there?):

[link to blogs.consumerreports.org]

Small Cars: Honda Civic, Toyota Echo, Scion xB, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Matrix, Pontiac
Vibe
, Mazda 3, Mazda Protege, Subaru Impreza.

Family Cars: Honda Accord, Toyota Prius, Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry
(except ’08 V6), Subaru Outback (6-cyl.), Nissan Altima.

Minivans: Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey.

Small SUVs: Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, Subaru Forester, Mitsubishi Outlander.

Midsized and large SUVs: Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Lexus RX, Toyota Land
Cruiser, Toyota 4Runner, Infiniti FX35, Acura MDX, Infiniti QX4, Lexus GX, Hyundai
Santa Fe, Subaru Tribeca, Nissan Xterra (’05-’08), Toyota Sequoia.
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The unions had nothing to do with US auto problems, it was the open border unfair trade practices-WASHINGTON.

The propblem is believed to be electronic not the pedal mech made in Indiana, and if you check the link they've revised the article removing much and it's all different...



Nope. Still there. From your HuffPo link:
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, asked CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals behind Toyota's latest recall, if the same problem could exist for other automakers. CTS makes pedals for Honda, Nissan and a small number of Ford vehicles in China, but the auto supplier has said the issues are limited to Toyota alone."

As far as the electionic issue, here ya go:
"Toyota has said it investigated for electronic problems and failed to find a single case pointing that direction."

As far as NAFTA, that has nothing to do with the quality of the cars. The cars are still made in Detroit, and they suck.

Most reliable cars for 2009, from Consumer Reports (Not many American cars in there, are there?):

[link to blogs.consumerreports.org]

Small Cars: Honda Civic, Toyota Echo, Scion xB, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Matrix, Pontiac
Vibe
, Mazda 3, Mazda Protege, Subaru Impreza.

Family Cars: Honda Accord, Toyota Prius, Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry
(except ’08 V6), Subaru Outback (6-cyl.), Nissan Altima.

Minivans: Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey.

Small SUVs: Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, Subaru Forester, Mitsubishi Outlander.

Midsized and large SUVs: Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Lexus RX, Toyota Land
Cruiser, Toyota 4Runner, Infiniti FX35, Acura MDX, Infiniti QX4, Lexus GX, Hyundai
Santa Fe, Subaru Tribeca, Nissan Xterra (’05-’08), Toyota Sequoia.
 Quoting: Rev-bo


Speaking of which, I count no fewer than 13 Toyotas in that list, if you count their entry level (Scion) and premium (Lexus) brands.

All of a sudden, under Obama and his most frequent visitor to the White House, Andy Stern, Toyotas will kill you, after 20 years as America's best selling and most reliable brand.
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yeah - buy an amerikan car instead - Government Motors needs you...
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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.


Does that mean they are safe to drive? That he will accept the lawsuits?

By taking it back he says they are safe?


What do you mean, "That he will accept the lawsuits?" What lawsuits? Against LaHood?

This is just a standard recall, and they're making it out like your Toyota might explode and vaporize you while driving. How many cars have had their pedals stuck? 3? 5? Out of what? 6 million? This is waaaaayyyy overblown and, in my opinion, and attempt by the administration to destroy Toyota's reputation to the benefit of the government's wholely owned subsidiaries, GM and Chrysler.

Before you call me a wide-eyed conspiracy theorist, these are the same people who, for the past 30 years, have been extorting banks, credit card companies, and mortgage lenders, to get them to make loans to people they knew couldn't make the payments, but it was politically expedient to just make the loans and eat the losses, rather than fight the lawsuits. This is how these people work.

This is why the government should stay out of private industry. Government has a monopoly on the use of force, and if it has an interest in the game, it has an interest in cheating, because it doesn't have to answer for its indiscretions, like its still-privately-owned competition.
 Quoting: Rev-bo


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Good to see our union brothers checking in.

LaHood retracted his statement, by the way.


Does that mean they are safe to drive? That he will accept the lawsuits?

By taking it back he says they are safe?


What do you mean, "That he will accept the lawsuits?" What lawsuits? Against LaHood?

This is just a standard recall, and they're making it out like your Toyota might explode and vaporize you while driving. How many cars have had their pedals stuck? 3? 5? Out of what? 6 million? This is waaaaayyyy overblown and, in my opinion, and attempt by the administration to destroy Toyota's reputation to the benefit of the government's wholely owned subsidiaries, GM and Chrysler.

Before you call me a wide-eyed conspiracy theorist, these are the same people who, for the past 30 years, have been extorting banks, credit card companies, and mortgage lenders, to get them to make loans to people they knew couldn't make the payments, but it was politically expedient to just make the loans and eat the losses, rather than fight the lawsuits. This is how these people work.

This is why the government should stay out of private industry. Government has a monopoly on the use of force, and if it has an interest in the game, it has an interest in cheating, because it doesn't have to answer for its indiscretions, like its still-privately-owned competition.


I see you are awake cool2
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This ain't brain surgery. And I didn't even have to read Rules for Radicals.

Full disclosure: I do not and have never worked for Toyota or any related corporation. A Camry did, however, once save my life when a 100 year old oak tree fell on the car, a task to which I fear my Jeep Wrangler wouldn't be up.

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The unions had nothing to do with US auto problems, it was the open border unfair trade practices-WASHINGTON.

The propblem is believed to be electronic not the pedal mech made in Indiana, and if you check the link they've revised the article removing much and it's all different...



Nope. Still there. From your HuffPo link:
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, asked CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals behind Toyota's latest recall, if the same problem could exist for other automakers. CTS makes pedals for Honda, Nissan and a small number of Ford vehicles in China, but the auto supplier has said the issues are limited to Toyota alone."

As far as the electionic issue, here ya go:
"Toyota has said it investigated for electronic problems and failed to find a single case pointing that direction."

As far as NAFTA, that has nothing to do with the quality of the cars. The cars are still made in Detroit, and they suck.

Most reliable cars for 2009, from Consumer Reports (Not many American cars in there, are there?):

[link to blogs.consumerreports.org]

Small Cars: Honda Civic, Toyota Echo, Scion xB, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Matrix, Pontiac
Vibe
, Mazda 3, Mazda Protege, Subaru Impreza.

Family Cars: Honda Accord, Toyota Prius, Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry
(except ’08 V6), Subaru Outback (6-cyl.), Nissan Altima.

Minivans: Toyota Sienna, Honda Odyssey.

Small SUVs: Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, Subaru Forester, Mitsubishi Outlander.

Midsized and large SUVs: Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Lexus RX, Toyota Land
Cruiser, Toyota 4Runner, Infiniti FX35, Acura MDX, Infiniti QX4, Lexus GX, Hyundai
Santa Fe, Subaru Tribeca, Nissan Xterra (’05-’08), Toyota Sequoia.
 Quoting: Rev-bo


electronic:
"Many consumer groups have questioned whether Toyota's fix will work and have asserted it could be connected to problems with the electronic throttle control systems.

Joan Claybrook, who formerly lead Public Citizen, a watchdog group, noted that Toyota told owners during last year's recall to remove floor mats to keep the accelerator pedal from becoming jammed. "I don't think that's what the issue is. I think it has to be electronic when it slam dunks and takes off and goes 120 miles an hour," Claybrook said."


Consumer Reports? The mainstream mouthpiece for open border imports.

US auto supports America more by paying more. Better pay produces a middle class that built this country, thus Toyota is unAmerican. The line workers producing Toyotas can't even afford to buy one.
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electronic:
"Many consumer groups have questioned whether Toyota's fix will work and have asserted it could be connected to problems with the electronic throttle control systems.

Joan Claybrook, who formerly lead Public Citizen, a watchdog group, noted that Toyota told owners during last year's recall to remove floor mats to keep the accelerator pedal from becoming jammed. "I don't think that's what the issue is. I think it has to be electronic when it slam dunks and takes off and goes 120 miles an hour," Claybrook said."


Consumer Reports? The mainstream mouthpiece for open border imports.

US auto supports America more by paying more. Better pay produces a middle class that built this country, thus Toyota is unAmerican. The line workers producing Toyotas can't even afford to buy one.
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That read like the introduction the UAW Handbook. Well said.
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