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Anonymous Coward User ID: 774515 United Kingdom 02/03/2010 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)I've often wondered why you do that. We don't believe the rest of it, what makes you think we'd believe that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 881508 United States 02/03/2010 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your question? Yes, there is a close of probation. Just as there was with Noah's Ark, the door shut. When the Seventh Trumpet sounds it's all over: "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still. He who is righteous, let him be righteous still." I agree they will at some point be convicted they were sinners. Why would they do this? Because this is just before their total destruction by fire. At some point they will awaken from Satan's deception to see God and all that they've lost, all the blessings in God. |
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rb User ID: 881609 United States 02/03/2010 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there's a part where it indicates God has overlooked ignorance from my understanding those who knowingly willingly reject the clearly offered free gift of salvation by belief on Jesus Christ who died to take away sin -- well the Bible says these unbelievers will be cast into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels I personally choose to stick very closely to what the Bible says -- and receive the promises freely given :-) the warnings are for the unruly of which I've certainly been one. I have chosen to turn to the Lord in these last days and I'm always happy to give the reason for the hope I have in Him! love peace and joy rb |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 825669 United States 02/03/2010 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the idea was that the Emperor Constantine would be followed by other emperors who would gradually conquer the whole world, bring the whole world eventually to its knees and everyone forced to worship the Christian God. They got through Europe and to many of the South Seas and South America, but they never conquered the whole world. And it won't ever happen now. |
Freethinker User ID: 880441 United States 02/03/2010 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. But consider. . .will these folks be forced to confess Christ as Lord? Highly unlikely, since that's not how God does things, and he's made it clear he has no interest in people honoring him with their lips when their hearts are far from him. I think we must conclude that all who submit to Him on that day will do so willingly. Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)So my question is this: Do we *really* believe that God will deny them the promised salvation of sincerely yielding and recognizing Him? interesting question. I can't imagine a human face to face with the reality of His presence not choosing repentence and submission. all authority is given to me |
op (OP) User ID: 879764 United States 02/03/2010 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 774515I've often wondered why you do that. We don't believe the rest of it, what makes you think we'd believe that? Beats me, yet they do it all the time. Seems to go hand in hand with the join-my-gang-or-die mentality. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 879764 United States 02/03/2010 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your question? Yes, there is a close of probation. Just as there was with Noah's Ark, the door shut. When the Seventh Trumpet sounds it's all over: "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still. He who is righteous, let him be righteous still." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 881508I agree they will at some point be convicted they were sinners. Why would they do this? Because this is just before their total destruction by fire. At some point they will awaken from Satan's deception to see God and all that they've lost, all the blessings in God. You know there are people God is deliberately keeping in unbelief, right? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 879764 United States 02/03/2010 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep...that's pretty much how it will go down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380667He deserves everyone to kneel before him; especially those who hate him and are defiant. I look forward to it. Yeah, long as they git what they deserve, etc. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 879048 United States 02/03/2010 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. But consider. . .will these folks be forced to confess Christ as Lord? Highly unlikely, since that's not how God does things, and he's made it clear he has no interest in people honoring him with their lips when their hearts are far from him. I think we must conclude that all who submit to Him on that day will do so willingly. Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)So my question is this: Do we *really* believe that God will deny them the promised salvation of sincerely yielding and recognizing Him? If you believe in The Bible as truth, then you cannot take out anything to make it suit your own desires. Yes, God will clearly deny them the promised salvation just as we as parents give our own children way too many chances, and when they snub our rules, they are then subjected to punishment. I am willing to bet that their "WILL" be some extenuating circumstances, because HE is however the Forgiving God. This would be categorized as one of those things that we will never know the answer to, until Jesus comes. This is the sad truth of things. Free will gives us all a chance to accept Christ, or to snub him. We are here to bring ourselves to understand that where there is good, also lurking; is evil. Many believe on one, but refuse to believe in the other. Their free will either allow them to stand on one side or the other. BUT, what about those who are in ignorance? Will that still be a valid point at that time? The Bible states that ALL will be given the choice, and the opportunity to accept Christ. Is it possible that some will have been overlooked? This is clearly a Godly issue and one that we can't answer properly. We use our emotions to come to our conclusions and our questions. The best that we can do is to pray for those who have not accepted Christ as their savior. :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 879048 United States 02/03/2010 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do christians insist on worshiping Freewill? It's as though it's God's kryptonite or something. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 879764Hey there AC 879764 Please understand that we do not "worship" freewill. We merely understand something that you do not right now. Freewill is a gift that God gave us so that we may come to him on our own accord. He will never force us to choose Him over satan. That we come to him freely is what the choice is. We "WORSHIP" only the Lord. We believe upon His Words, feeding our faith and melding it within our own understanding. You needn't hate something that you don't understand, rather the better choice, would be to read the words yourself. God doesn't need any kryptonite, but satan does. If I gave you a choice of whether you would live or die today and go on into everlasting peace, which would you choose? Here we must die. Here it is an unknown future. There holds a promise of a peace that is everlasting. Do yourself a huge favor and read the words of God. Ask him that if he is really there to give you some understanding and take his words to your heart, not your mind. Your heart cannot mislead you but your tongue and your brain can. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 873476 United States 02/03/2010 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. But consider. . .will these folks be forced to confess Christ as Lord? Highly unlikely, since that's not how God does things, and he's made it clear he has no interest in people honoring him with their lips when their hearts are far from him. I think we must conclude that all who submit to Him on that day will do so willingly. Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)So my question is this: Do we *really* believe that God will deny them the promised salvation of sincerely yielding and recognizing Him? Acknowledging inescapable truth doesn't mean the heart accepts or embraces it. |
mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 02/03/2010 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. But consider. . .will these folks be forced to confess Christ as Lord? Highly unlikely, since that's not how God does things, and he's made it clear he has no interest in people honoring him with their lips when their hearts are far from him. I think we must conclude that all who submit to Him on that day will do so willingly. Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)So my question is this: Do we *really* believe that God will deny them the promised salvation of sincerely yielding and recognizing Him? I believe the answer can be found in the encounters that demons/unclean spirits had with Christ They indeed confessed that Jesus is the Son of God Unbelievers will find themselves in the same situation as the above mentioned..realising and confessing this truth but missing the grace & mercy offered NOW And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Matthew 8 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God Mark 3:11 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. Luke 4 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 839263 United States 02/04/2010 12:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thatas what I think,Mathetes...in that Day all will see Him and they will have to admit He is Lord..... My prayer is God will have mercy---but He said that in that day it will be too late... The unbelieving and evil shall be cast away---Please--whoever reads this--dont be in that number--take Christ as Savior today, while you still can.... |
mathetes User ID: 793782 United States 02/04/2010 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thatas what I think,Mathetes...in that Day all will see Him and they will have to admit He is Lord..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 839263My prayer is God will have mercy---but He said that in that day it will be too late... The unbelieving and evil shall be cast away---Please--whoever reads this--dont be in that number--take Christ as Savior today, while you still can.... For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 879764 United States 02/04/2010 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, but did Christ shed blood for unclean spirits? Sure, devils believe and tremble, but that's not who he set out to redee, is it? I don't think we understand God's mercy in dealing with people we christians dismiss without a second thought. We seem to think he's issued this grim ultimatum and there's no "ifs, ands or buts" because he's okay with millions having to be destroyed or endlessly tortured. |
me777 User ID: 774992 Canada 02/04/2010 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're all familiar with this promise, correct? Many of us quote it at unbelievers as a grim reminder of what they have in store. But consider. . .will these folks be forced to confess Christ as Lord? Highly unlikely, since that's not how God does things, and he's made it clear he has no interest in people honoring him with their lips when their hearts are far from him. I think we must conclude that all who submit to Him on that day will do so willingly. Quoting: mathetesSo my question is this: Do we *really* believe that God will deny them the promised salvation of sincerely yielding and recognizing Him? I believe the answer can be found in the encounters that demons/unclean spirits had with Christ They indeed confessed that Jesus is the Son of God Unbelievers will find themselves in the same situation as the above mentioned..realising and confessing this truth but missing the grace & mercy offered NOW And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Matthew 8 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God Mark 3:11 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. Luke 4 Subscribe to my blog: Exposing The Darkness End times headline news. Research and analysis of world events in light of Bible prophecy. [link to lionessofjudah.substack.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 879764 United States 02/04/2010 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's really unfair of God, OP. He will redeem every human being, but isn't willing to redeem fallen angels. How fair is that? Not very. Quoting: ÆnonymousI'm personally not ruling out an eventual redemption of fallen angels or unclean spirits or whatever, but I don't think scripture addresses it. There are ages ahead of us during which God's plan will continue to unfold. Per OT law, redemption from an insurmountable debt requires a blood relative to step in and make the transaction. |
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Ænonymous User ID: 877547 United States 02/04/2010 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's really unfair of God, OP. He will redeem every human being, but isn't willing to redeem fallen angels. How fair is that? Not very. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 879764I'm personally not ruling out an eventual redemption of fallen angels or unclean spirits or whatever, but I don't think scripture addresses it. There are ages ahead of us during which God's plan will continue to unfold. Per OT law, redemption from an insurmountable debt requires a blood relative to step in and make the transaction. Tru Dat! "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." - Matthew 11:15 |
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