We Are Being SLAMMED With CHEMTRAILS in OREGON Today

It´s a radio-show, someone chose some not so apt pictures to go with it, I agree.

VTRPE....is this what the chemtrails are about..??

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A Massive Top-Secret Military Research and Development Project
by Mike Blair

Source: The Spotlight Printed Edition October 9, 2000

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The strange vapor-like trails, or "chemtrails," from jets flying high above much of the nation and elsewhere in the world are part of a massive top-secret military research and development project, possibly linked to the United Nations, researchers have concluded.

A group of about a dozen researchers spent more than a year, mostly in secret, studying the chemtrails. They include experts in electronics, communications, environmental engineering, medicine, biomedical research, chemistry, governmental and political affairs and military theory and technology, as well as veterans of the Central Intelligence Agency and the top-secret National Security Agency (NSA).

The group poured over thousands of scientific, government and military documents, most of which can be found in the public domain but buried among countless papers in highly scientific web sites on the Internet. The researchers also talked with experts in the scientific and military communities.

"It appears that aerosol chemical trails are being deliberately discharged into the atmosphere from military and civilian registered aircraft over the continental U.S., Canada and Mexico," a retired Air Force officer attached to NSA and living in Virginia told The Spotlight in an exclusive interview.

"Selected commercial airliners have been secretly modified and equipped with specialized aerosol dispersion devices to supplement U.S. military aircraft to disperse the substances creating the chemtrails," the former NSA official noted.

According to the NSA officer, civilian airlines were enlisted for the project, which some of the researchers referred to as "Operation Cloverleaf".

The researchers concluded that the chemtrails are composed of barium salt mixtures. Some of the chemtrails also include polymer fibers.

"Several types of experimental polymer fibers are repeatedly being found in various locations subsequent to observed incidences of aerosol discharge by aircraft," a member of the scientific study group told The Spotlight. "Research and development of electronic polymer fibers is identified and described in Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) documents. Other polymer fiber types are mentioned in other government and military documents that we have obtained.



"It is believed that the combination of barium salt mixture and polymer fibers are responsible for the recent nationwide epidemic increase in cases of asthma, allergies and upper respiratory system illnesses, including pneumonia," he said.

The group found that based on the study of various military and scientific documents, the polymer fibers apparently have several applications in conjunction with the barium salt mixture. Among the applications is the "cloaking" of aircraft. When irradiated with the substances, an aircraft is invisible to radar and the naked eye.

There also are advanced radar applications; the decontamination and detection of biological weapons; communications applications, including the ability to direct radio beams back to earth; weather modification as a military weapon; and the secret Air Force Variable Terrain Refractivity Parabolic Equation (VTRPE), which, with the use of sophisticated computers, enables a person to view what an enemy radar system sees.

A scientist familiar with VTRPE research at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio and his knowledge of the use of barium salt mixtures led the group of researchers to delve into the "barium salt connection" to the chemtrails.

A member of the research group told The Spotlight that "an over-whelming array of ongoing military research and development and defense-related activity is layered from ground level into space, including space warfare battle plans and space weapons that have been developed and include advanced laser and refinement of famed scientis Nicola Tesla's scaler (directed energy) weapons technology."

"Tesla's concepts of 'directed energy' are being developed, refined and applied," the researcher continued. "High Frequency Active Auroral Research project (HAARP) ionospheric 'heaters' arepositioned around the world (Alaska, Ukraine, Norway, Russia, Puerto Rico, etc.) and are used to 'heat' and modify the ionosphere. The United Nations, we have found, has knowledge of and sanctions the HAARP project, which is a military project."

The group determined that scientists worldwide are working in cooporation with an organization known only as "Commission G." Different aspects of atmospheric and ionospheric advanced radar studies, research projects and experiments are being studied at the University of Massachusetts at Lowell, the University of Colorado, the Uni. of California at Davis, and the Uni. of Texas at Arlington.

One of the key aims of the studies and experiments is the military objective "to control rain, drought, storms, tornadoes, hurricanes and weather patterns generally," a researcher explained. "Precipitation suppression and enhancement are strategies being refined specifically for implementation in the conduct of future wars."

This experimentation "is directly responsible for the strange weather that is being experienced in the U.S., if not worldwide," the researcher said. "They are simply screwing up our normal weather patterns by dumping barium salt and polymer fiber in vast quantities into the atmosphere."

The group said that armies may eventually become obsolete because of new computerized "vitual warfare technology," which is being developed, refined and actually applied.

According to the group, there is ongoing research and development that includes optics-based communications above the earth, which is similar to fiber-optics but without fibers and communications broadcast on optical beams; a potential chemical and electrical influence on human behavior on a massive scale from above, a super-MK Ultra mind-control program; and electrical power transfer.

The former NSA researcher said "ongoing study of this problem by individual researchers is eliciting concrete evidence that, at the very least, the atmospheric chemistry and circulation of the earth's atmosphere have been disrupted. There is a growing body of evidence to justify concern that the problem with our atmospheric chemistry will extend well into the future."

"Someone is attempting to keep a lid on all of this military research and development activity and, in particular, the chemtrail activity that is literally clouding up America's skies."

According to the NSA researcher, individual members of the group have been threatened. Various document and other materials have been stolen from the homes of some of the researchers.

He said he believes this was done under the direction of a globalist entity, probably the United Nations or a "sub-group," that remains in the shadows and beyond public exposure, at least for now.

Says you. What's the matter, can't have people listening to the truth? Scared they'll realize I'm right unless you make some feeble attempt to smear me? Hate to break it to you, but most people are smarter than that.

Actually, that's Bob Denver's face.

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You have no comment on Swede's post at 5:32 p.m.?

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Nah. I've seen it and commented on other threads. Basically, show me the evidence.

the mere fact that people like The Guy, SnakeAirlines, G.House and others spend so much time and energy denying their existance, makes it very obvious that they in fact do exist and that someone attaches a lot of importance to that they remain unverified and unexplained.

Would I waste so much of my time, day after day, year after year, actively searching out discussions on a topic that is based on something that I know do not exist ??

Would you ??

I don´t think so!!

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You already said those exact same words in another thread. What's the point? Oh, well, here's what I said:

Apparently you're some kind of bot.

You posted this word for word in another thread.

..you, if anyone, would know about copy and paste....

We are smart enough to know that you don't have any more evidence to back your HYPOTHESIS than any one else with differing hypotheses.

Therefore, your claim that you are correct and anyone else who differs with you is wrong is completely without merit...is null...and is unsupported.


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Which leaves us with Ockham's Razor.

It's "Occam's".

And, no, it leaves all hypotheses untested.

You can assume your hypothesis is correct; however, to claim you are correct while claiming all other hypotheses incorrect makes you....well....foolish.

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7+ decades of actual science surrounding the mechanism of contrails vs. an internet myth...

One is a fact, and the other is a 'hypotheses'...

It's pretty obvious who is being 'foolish'...

It takes one to know one.

Actually, both are correct. They are alternative spellings.



But I agree with you on the rest.

Both spellings are correct, and since it's named after William of Ockham, I prefer to spell it that way.

Simply put, it states that entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. In other words, when making a hypothesis, you shouldn't make up a more complicated explanation for the facts when a simpler one explains them.

The Guy simply thinks huge clouds of smoke look identical to " some type of stratus or cirrostratus".


Thread: What kind of clouds are these? (Page 4)

An addendum to that. The hypothesis of contrails has been fully tested and documented. Just because you are unaware or unable to understand the science and history behind contrails does not make the chemtrail hypothesis correct. There is no credible support for the hypothesis of chemtrails.

I was just agreeing with the statement that, in general, if you have several equivalent hypotheses then you cannot claim that one is correct and the other incorrect.

But contrails and chemtrails are not equivalent hypothesis. Contrails have years of support, observation, and scientific publication while chemtrails have rumor, misunderstanding, logical fallacies, and attempts to intentionally mislead gullible people. The two are not equivalent.

And chemtrails are the more complicated hypothesis. First you have a group of secret, nefarious people who are trying to do something to people or the climate. These people are unknown. Second all aircraft have to be secretly outfitted with things that spray chemicals or the fuel has to be secretly modified. Both would involve vast numbers of people and facilities. Thirdly, the people performing these nefarious deeds have to be somehow immune to the effects. Fourth, the chemicals sprayed must somehow target individuals even though they are sprayed at 30,000+ feet and can travel thousands of miles before landing in the ocean. Fifth, the chemicals sprayed have to endure a trip through a high temperature jet engine. Sixth, whatever these chemicals are have to be able to survive high UV exposure where they could be broken down or react with the free radicals seen at high altitudes. Seventh, someone has to pay for all of this. A very complex process involving millions if not billions of dollars and thousands of people in the aircraft, oil, and manufacturing industries all done without the slightest hint of a paper trail.

Or you can accept that contrails are formed by jet aircraft (thousands fly at those altitudes daily) and jet exhaust (a known byproduct of jet engines) with hydrocarbons (known to exist in jet fuel exhaust) forming nucleation sites (a well known process) in cold, supersatured air (both well documented at these altitudes by years of climate study).

It is a form of pollution and nothing more. And yes jet exhaust can change local weather. The contrails form cirrus clouds which reflect the heat during the day and trap the heat at night. The net effect is a more moderate temperature. The long term effects on climate are being studied but you have to look at scientific publications to find them something people accepting of conspiracies seem afraid and unprepared to do.

Oh, they're going to be really angry with you now. They don't like logic. I thought I was pushing it by even mentioning Ockham's Razor!

I have noticed that. Logic seems to be their wolfsbane. I predict the response will be one of the following:

1) Completely ignore it. If they don't comment on it the logic will magically go away.
2) Name calling which could involve the heavy use of profanity.
3) Being told I know nothing about science (I have a PhD in Physics) and refering me to the same lame internet site or youtube video from which the obtained their misinformation.
4) The use of the dictatorial edict where I am told not to post.

Thread: Weathermen and PERSISTENT CONTRAILS

Yep... it's the eternal, last-ditch denial/defense of the truly Woo... that they must be right simply because people take the trouble to say they are wrong.

Swede, I remember when you prattled on about some nonsense concerning PX... something about how your house was situated and things being out of place in the sky... I guess you still think you were right about that simply because we explained how you were wrong?

So, are things still out of place in your sky, Da Swede? Don't look now, but the real location of things-out-of-place is in your head.

You do ???

I thought I never discussed planet X, I have no opinion on it..know nada about it. But show me evidence, and I bow my head in shame...<..and this inspite of no drugs or alkohol.?>

You may have me confused with the guy calling himself simply "swede", btw...

this must be the understatement of the year, in the case of The Guy, SnakeAirlines, G.House, 341923, yourself and some others.
"take the trouble to say they are wrong..." a trouble taken day after day, year after year....
An obsession with something you lot say do not exist ??
It sure looks like crazines, or, simply a job to do.
I, on the other hand, do think there´s something to the chemtrail-thing, hence I read and post whenever I see fit. Not on planet X, as it´s of no interest to me, I have nothing to contribute there.

Last Edited by Da Swede on 04/11/2010 11:55 AM

An there has been a global observation that the product of the contrail explanation has changed.

Using the contrail explanation for said change is just as much a hypothesis as any other hypothesis. NONE of it is fact and NONE of it is evidenced.

To make claims otherwise not only makes one a poor scientist, it does makes one foolish.

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I appreciate your posts, Swede. You have added some very good information to this post.

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I have not used the term "chemtrails"; I have, however, spoken about the observable changes in trail activity.

You are applying the science of contrails to explain the relatively new and quite frequent change observations. That is a logical fallacy as the cause of the changes can be anything and, at this stage, makes contrail explanations (hypotheses) equivalent to any other explanations (hypotheses)...until tested.

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