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Were the 12 Tribes of Israel Based on the Zodiac?

 
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Here's a subject about which there is much disinformation, including attempts to claim that the zodiac postdated the founding of the Israelite nation with its 12 tribes and that, hence, the numbering of the tribes could not be based on the 12 zodiacal signs, as has been suggested by many people since ancient times.

Testimony of Josephus and Philo

The claim that the 12 tribes of Israel were identified with the 12 signs of the zodiac is spelled out clearly by the ancient Jewish writers Philo and Josephus, during the first century. During the first century BCE, Diodorus Siculus identified the 12 tribes with the 12 months.

As I relate in Christ in Egypt (261): [link to stellarhousepublishing.com]

See Exodus 39:9-14: "...they made the breastplate... And they set in it four rows of stones... And the stones were according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve...according to the twelve tribes."

As Josephus says (Antiquities, 3.8 ): "And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning." (Josephus, 75.)

Earlier than Josephus, Philo ("On the Life of Moses," 12) had made the same comments regarding Moses: "Then the twelve stones on the breast, which are not like one another in colour, and which are divided into four rows of three stones in each, what else can they be emblems of, except of the circle of the zodiac?" (Philo, 99.)

As we can see, by the first century it was well known that the theme of "the 12" was astrological in nature.

Age of the Zodiac


The zodiac is mentioned in the Bible at Job 38:32, where the author refers to the "Mazzaroth." The Book of Job is traditionally placed in an early setting, as the RSV says, from the patriarchal period, preceding the founding of Israel. Job is believed to have been an adult when Moses was allegedly born, which would mean that Job's adventures and story, with its discussion of the Mazzaroth/12 signs, preceded Moses and the gathering together of 12 tribes.

Skeptical historians question whether or not the OT history of Moses and others truly occurred at any point, much less the 13th century, and much of the Bible appears to have been written only as early as after the Babylonian Captivity. If we were to subscribe to the Bible as history, however, we would have to accept that the Zodiac was known to the Hebrews before Moses created Israel with its 12 tribes, which many - including Philo and Josephus - have identified with the 12 zodiacal signs.

There is much more to the history of the zodiac, including the Karanovo Zodiac, which dates to around 6,000 years ago. In The Astronomy of the Bible, Christian royal astronomer Walter Maunder dates the emergence of the zodiac as we know it to some 5,000 years ago. The Indians have their own history of the zodiac, dating back thousands of years as well.

The Egyptians possessed gods numbering 12 long before the Bible was written down, reflecting, for one, the 12 hours of the day and night. We may not be surprised, then, to discover that early Church father Hippolytus associated the Christian 12 with the hours of the day, while as early as the late second century, Clement of Alexandria wrote about the Valentian Gnostic Theodotus identifying the 12 apostles with the 12 signs of the zodiac.

There is much reason to suspect that whoever wrote the various pertinent biblical scriptures was well aware of the astronomical, astrological and astrotheological symbolism of the number 12.

Zodiac on a synagogue floor at Beit Alpha, Israel (6th cent. AD/CE) [link to www.zeitgeistmovie.com]


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Originally 13 months of 28 days.

Zodiac has a center, or 13th character.

Extrapolate.
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I've thought this myself. The thirteenth or 'lost' tribe being in reference to the little known/ used thirteenth sign of Ophiuchus (the serpent bearer), that is said to lie between Sagittarius and Capricorn.

Interesting.
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The number 12 is significant, as it implies structural beginning or foundation of organization, as well as governmental perfection. The nation of Israel was comprised of twelve tribes, and represented a physical type of God’s government on earth. The twelve apostles were chosen by Christ to serve as the foundation for His Church (Matt. 10:1-7), as well as the kingdom of God (Luke 22:29-30). Twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel constitute the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and 14.
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why Israel has to be CONNECTED with everything?!?!?!?!

have you ever thought before copying/pasting that 12 means other things?

Did you know that 12 is...

-The atomic number of magnesium in the periodic table?

-The average human has twelve cranial nerves?

-Ancient Greek religion, the Twelve Olympians were the principal gods of the pantheon?

-The chief Norse god, Odin, had 12 sons?

-Arthur is said to have subdued 12 rebel princes and to have won 12 great battles against Saxon invaders?

-Twelve apostles of Jesus?

-There are 12 days of Christmas?


etc etc etc etc...do you want me to go on?
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I've pondered this connection as well.

I think when Jesus/Yahshua said "I will be with you until the end of the Age", he may have been referring to the Piscian Age.


Of course anytime I have ever said this to anyone, they thought I was nuts.

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Originally 13 months of 28 days.

Zodiac has a center, or 13th character.

Extrapolate.
UYES
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I've thought this myself. The thirteenth or 'lost' tribe being in reference to the little known/ used thirteenth sign of Ophiuchus (the serpent bearer), that is said to lie between Sagittarius and Capricorn.

UYES
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The number 12 is significant, as it implies structural beginning or foundation of organization, as well as governmental perfection. The nation of Israel was comprised of twelve tribes, and represented a physical type of God’s government on earth. The twelve apostles were chosen by Christ to serve as the foundation for His Church (Matt. 10:1-7), as well as the kingdom of God (Luke 22:29-30). Twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel constitute the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and 14.
UYES
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The end of the age ends when the 13th tribe becomes
a-new.

we are free from the wheel of the 12tribe (reincarnation)
since we've enter into the 13th essence. we now are no
longer in process but anew (resurrected) -- finally HUE-MAN
beings.
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Why does it have to "disprove anything"...

GOD SAID HE GAVE US THE SUN MOON AND STARS FOR SIGNS AND SEASONS. Book of Genesis
HE CREATED THE CONSTELLATIONS AND NAMED THEM. (Book of Job)
Job even goes on to say that he had to be careful NOT to worship the heavenly bodies (ZODIAC) as the heathen nations but to worship the creator.
What if it is NO coincidence. 12 constellations/12 tribes...what does that prove?
If you understand the ancient constellation chart which is different than the modern chart, you would see God's redemption plan written in the stars. It's the oldest 'storybook' in existence.
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why Israel has to be CONNECTED with everything?!?!?!?!

have you ever thought before copying/pasting that 12 means other things?

Did you know that 12 is...

-The atomic number of magnesium in the periodic table?

-The average human has twelve cranial nerves?

-Ancient Greek religion, the Twelve Olympians were the principal gods of the pantheon?

-The chief Norse god, Odin, had 12 sons?

-Arthur is said to have subdued 12 rebel princes and to have won 12 great battles against Saxon invaders?

-Twelve apostles of Jesus?

-There are 12 days of Christmas?


etc etc etc etc...do you want me to go on?
 Quoting: ~GAIA~


And the average anti-Semite has completed the Sixth Grade, which, when doubled, makes . . . TWELVE! (Unless he repeated a grade or two, which kkind of throws the number off.)

All the billions of people on this planet, all the thousands of evil non-Jews, thousands of evil deeds committed or yet planned by non-Jews, and as Gaia said, every Jethro Bodine (or is it Bo-ha-din) has to connect Israel to everything.

My goodness if you all realized what normal people we really are! Shockingly so. And we lost our taste for gentile baby-blood matzhos eons ago. Gives us a break! Maspeek kvar!
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GOD IS PERFECT ALWAYS
Twelve is a perfect number, signifying perfection of government, or of governmental perfection. It is found as a multiple in all that has to do with rule. The sun which "rules" the day, and the moon and stars which "govern" the night, do so by their passage through the twelve signs of the Zodiac which completes the great circle of the heavens of 360 (12 x 30) degrees or divisions, and thus govern the year.

Twelve is the product of 3 (the perfectly Divine and heavenly number) and 4 (the earthly, the number of what is material and organic)
There were twelve patriarchs from Seth to Noah and his family, and twelve from Shem to Jacob.

There were 12 tribes of Israel(Jacob)

Then there were twelve Judges

•The twelve Apostles.

•The twelve foundations in the heavenly Jerusalem.

•The twelve gates.

•The twelve pearls.

•The twelve angels

The measurement of the new Jerusalem will be 12,000 furlongs square, while the wall will be 144 (12 x 12) cubits
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I've pondered this connection as well.

I think when Jesus/Yahshua said "I will be with you until the end of the Age", he may have been referring to the Piscian Age.


Of course anytime I have ever said this to anyone, they thought I was nuts.

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 Quoting: Aquarius 7

I agree!
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why Israel has to be CONNECTED with everything?!?!?!?!

have you ever thought before copying/pasting that 12 means other things?

Did you know that 12 is...

-The atomic number of magnesium in the periodic table?

-The average human has twelve cranial nerves?

-Ancient Greek religion, the Twelve Olympians were the principal gods of the pantheon?

-The chief Norse god, Odin, had 12 sons?

-Arthur is said to have subdued 12 rebel princes and to have won 12 great battles against Saxon invaders?

-Twelve apostles of Jesus?

-There are 12 days of Christmas?


etc etc etc etc...do you want me to go on?
 Quoting: ~GAIA~



Wow, Gaia, I learn so much from you, Lovely One!

Go on...)))

hf
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All the nations of the world that ever existed were
based on the constellations.
Which is the reason why China favors the dragon.
Russia the bear.
Etc.
Very old cultures that existed for thousands and thousands of years hold more than one constellation as its
symbol.
India - sacred cow - cobra.
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Four tribes now compose much of the Taliban.
They are found in the Khyber Pass region.
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The Gospel and the Zodiac: The Secret Truth About Jesus

Who is the Man with a Jar of Water?
The Vision of Christ that thou dost see
Is my Vision’s Greatest Enemy:
Thine has a great hook nose like thine,
Mine has a snub nose like to mine:
Thine is the friend of All Mankind
Mine speaks in parables to the Blind:
Thine loves the same world that mine hates,
Thy Heaven doors are my Hell gates.
Socrates taught what Meletus
Loath’d as a Nation bitterest Curse,
And Caiaphas was in his own Mind
A benefactor to mankind:
Both read the Bible day and night
But thou read’st black where I read white.
(William Blake) The Everlasting Gospel

"Of all the controversies with which the fathers of the early church entertained themselves, few seem as irrelevant to the contemporary mind as that which concerned the duration of Jesus’ ministry. For about eighteen centuries the common assumption throughout Christendom has been that, between Jesus’ baptism by John and his crucifixion by Pilate, three years elapsed. This is based on a legitimate interference from the number of Passover festivals mentioned in the Gospel of John, and it is difficult to see how anyone could, or would even want to, challenge it. And yet it was a dispute over which a considerable amount of ink was expended towards the end of the second Christian century. Irenaeus, orthodoxy’s first systematic apologist (writing about 185 CE), goes to great leghts to prove that Jesus exercised his ministry over many years in order to counter the contention of various Gnostic groups (principally the followers of Valentinus) that Jesus taught for one year only and, further, that ‘he suffered in the twelfth month’ (Irenaeus, page 200).

An idle piece of pedantic squabbling, we might be tempted to conclude. But we would be wrong to conclude this. The controversy was not just over any arbitrary twelve-month period. It concerned the solar year, which begins at the spring equinox, and Valentinus’ claim is absolutely startling: the career of Jesus is connected with the sun's annual journey through the heavens, and he implies that the various stages of it correspond to the signs of the zodiac.

For Valentinus and his followers, the Gospel story is not a rudimentary biography of a single individual, pieded together from reminiscences of eye-witnesses or those who had known eye-witnesses, but in allegory, in which the sun’s cycle, from its ‘birth’ in Aries when spring begins, to its ‘death’ in Pisces twelve months later, symbolically reflects the spiritual cycle of the Gnostic initiate on his journey towards spiritual liberation or enlightenment. This is why Valentinus’ claim that Jesus died in the twelfth month (March, the twelfth month of Pisces) was so crucial to his case, and why Irenaeus was at such pain to refute it.

There is no reason to suppose that this and other Gnostic ‘heresies’, which Irenaeus condemns so roundly and, at times, parodies so shamefully in his five-volume work, were new ideas which had parasitically attached themselves to a history-based Christianity. Gnosticism was certainly not new in Irenaeus’ time. Although it flourished in the second Christian century, its roots go back much further, some scholars tracing its ancestry back to the religion of ancient Iran, others favouring an origin in Judaism. Whatever its precise origins, it was never a unified religious movement but an approach to spiritual matters which transcended conventional boundaries. It was dualistic, and generally associated the world of matter and flesh with evil. The task of the aspirant was to attains spiritual freedom by overcoming bondage to the flesh. Despite the variety of ways in whch it manifested, Gnosticism was concerned with the interior life of the spirit, with ‘illumination’ that could be attained through prayer, meditation and the performance of specific rituals. God was to be experienced within the depths of the individual, rather than demonstrated rationally or objectified historically. ‘Gnosis’, which comes from Greek word for knowledge, is not primarily rational knowledge, but ‘insight’. ‘Gnosis involves an intuitive process of knowing oneself. And to know oneself ... is to know human nature and human destiny ... Yet to know oneself, at the deepest level, is simultaneously, to know God’ (Pagels, page xix)."

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7 = The only number that matters
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Actually the Zodiac is based upon the 12 sons of Israel not the other way around.

The Creator new the end from the start of this dimension.
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It's the 12th Baktun, and the 144,000 are the amount of days in this Baktun we are currently in.

Mayan long count calender.
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geeez

enough with the shitty megalomania of middle eastern cultures already.

the cultures in middle east are problematic, obsessed with 'one god and im his prophet' cult, and brutal and barbaric and megalomaniac since ancient history.

there isnt another culture fixated on 'one god and im his prophet' bullshit anywhere in the world.
anything that i say except the things i give references for is what i learned and deduced. they may or may not be correct.
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symbolism was used for a reason and parables to secure the deeper truths



Symbolism is relevant throughout time as time itself is cyclic...


likewise, the misuse and abuse of truth has allowed CONfusion to infiltrate minds-especially minds easily controlled ELECTRONICALLY


Symbolism has been misappropriated for cWHOREporations and sales ads...trying to evoke many with 'spiritual' symbols but representing the fallen: commercialism, politics, and religion(represented by DOGMA and RITUAL, different than actual spirituality)


Most are too regimented to laziness...and the NANNY.w.o. couldn't of found a more docile group-some visual candy, some physical titillation, easy-peasey

spoiled by remotes, they can barely get off the couch to change a channel even-and the hamster wheel goes a bit faster...and then the young hamsters are encouraged to toss the elders from the wheel, taking their habitat as their own

Turned into primitives, grunting monkeys...by the food, the water, the air, the EMF pollution, and even the geo engineers and the 'Franken scary' Cern theoretical postulaters hoping to create black holes or "small" strangelets

...and the wheels on the bus go round and round...


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Actually the Zodiac is based upon the 12 sons of Israel not the other way around.

The Creator new the end from the start of this dimension.
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"And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven." Deuteronomy 4:19


"2“If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant,

3and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden,
" Deuteronomy 17:2-3

It was not the will of the One True Almighty God to engage in astrology by ANYONE. As a result, whatever the basis for astrology, it is fundementally a system of the Beast, to enslave anyone who uses it, including members of the 12 Tribes of the House of Israel.
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geeez

enough with the shitty megalomania of middle eastern cultures already.

the cultures in middle east are problematic, obsessed with 'one god and im his prophet' cult, and brutal and barbaric and megalomaniac since ancient history.

there isnt another culture fixated on 'one god and im his prophet' bullshit anywhere in the world.
 Quoting: Bazork!


Yeah....I think you're wrong about that one...let's look at other cultures throughout western history...let's look at the Druids, the Vikings, the Mayan....

Same BEAST SYSTEM, different name for the Serpent.
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symbolism was used for a reason and parables to secure the deeper truths



Symbolism is relevant throughout time as time itself is cyclic...


likewise, the misuse and abuse of truth has allowed CONfusion to infiltrate minds-especially minds easily controlled ELECTRONICALLY


Symbolism has been misappropriated for cWHOREporations and sales ads...trying to evoke many with 'spiritual' symbols but representing the fallen: commercialism, politics, and religion(represented by DOGMA and RITUAL, different than actual spirituality)


Most are too regimented to laziness...and the NANNY.w.o. couldn't of found a more docile group-some visual candy, some physical titillation, easy-peasey

spoiled by remotes, they can barely get off the couch to change a channel even-and the hamster wheel goes a bit faster...and then the young hamsters are encouraged to toss the elders from the wheel, taking their habitat as their own

Turned into primitives, grunting monkeys...by the food, the water, the air, the EMF pollution, and even the geo engineers and the 'Franken scary' Cern theoretical postulaters hoping to create black holes or "small" strangelets

...and the wheels on the bus go round and round...


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H I L A R I O U S !

You find the need to copywrite your Elitism?

You just proved that you are in fact, PART OF THE SYSTEM...

I believe around here that's what's known as a SHILL...
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I've pondered this connection as well.

I think when Jesus/Yahshua said "I will be with you until the end of the Age", he may have been referring to the Piscian Age.


Of course anytime I have ever said this to anyone, they thought I was nuts.

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 Quoting: Aquarius 7


+5
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Moving beyond the biblical teaching (interepretation) of it...apply the story to a more personal transformation...there are phases...?

[link to www.levity.com]

The twelve figures are representatives of the 12 tribes of the Israelites, or the twelve Apostles and can also be related to the Zodiac Signs. Thus the first stage of the Soul's encounter with the garden requires an experience of the twelve archetypes on all levels, as the twelve sacred trees, or twelve animal forms, etc. The Soul has to inwardly experience how the one spiritual energy manifests in the lower worlds divided twelvefold. Only by reintegrating this twelvefoldness can the Soul gain true perception of the unity that lies beyond, here the Christ figure in the centre of the circular garden. This is the sublime mystery of the Twelve + One at the Centre.
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"And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven." Deuteronomy 4:19


"2“If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant,

3and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden,
" Deuteronomy 17:2-3

It was not the will of the One True Almighty God to engage in astrology by ANYONE. As a result, whatever the basis for astrology, it is fundementally a system of the Beast, to enslave anyone who uses it, including members of the 12 Tribes of the House of Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975801


There's nothing like scaring the people to divert them from seeing the truth with the ability to control them at the same time.

Book of Deuteronomy

Traditionally seen as recording the words of God given to Moses,[1] modern scholarship dates the book to the late 7th century BC, a product of the religious reforms carried out under king Josiah, with later additions from the period after the fall of Judah to the Babylonian empire in 586 BC.[2]

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Josiah

In the eighteenth year of his rule, Josiah ordered the High Priest Hilkiah to use the tax money which had been collected over the years to renovate the temple. It was during this time that Hilkiah discovered the Book of the Law. While Hilkiah was clearing the treasure room of the Temple [9] he found a scroll described as "the book of the Law" [10] or as "the book of the law of YHVH by the hand of Moses" [9]. The phrase "the book of the Torah" (ספר התורה) in 2 Kings 22:8 is identical to the phrase used in Joshua 1:8 and 8:34 to describe the sacred writings that Joshua had received from Moses. The book is not identified in the text as the Torah and many scholars[who?] believe this was either a copy of the Book of Deuteronomy or a text that became a part of Deuteronomy as we have it per De Wette's suggestion in 1805.

Hilkiah brought this scroll to Josiah's attention, and the king ordered it read to a crowd in Jerusalem. He is praised for this piety by the prophetess Huldah, who made the prophecy that all involved would die without having to see God's judgment on Judah for the sins they had committed in prior generations. [11] ; [12]

Josiah encouraged the exclusive worship of Yahweh and outlawed all other forms of worship.2 Kings 23 Josiah destroyed the living quarters for male cult prostitutes which were in the Temple,[13][not in citation given][non-primary source needed] and also destroyed pagan objects related to the worship of Baal, Asherah), "and all the hosts of the heavens". Josiah had living pagan priests executed and even had the bones of the dead priests of Bethel exhumed from their graves and burned on their altars, which was viewed as an extreme act of desecration. Josiah also reinstituted the Passover celebrations. (2 Kings 23:4-15)

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There's nothing like scaring the people to divert them from seeing the truth with the ability to control them at the same time.

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Not really sure what point you are making here...??
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There's nothing like scaring the people to divert them from seeing the truth with the ability to control them at the same time.

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Not really sure what point you are making here...??
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What I am attempting to get over is that since there seems to be no real agreement between the scholars as to the true identity of the book of law, it could therefore be presumed that Josiah set it up so that a book of law would be found by Hilkiah in the temple so that he could set about with his religious reforms to further an agenda of control over the population.
Unless we are to believe that the Kings of old were without fault and did not wish to hold power over the population by manipulating evidence.

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"Views surveyed. As one examines the literature there seems to be a number of views as to the identity of the “book of the law” found by Hilkiah in the temple during the reign of Josiah (2 Kim. 22; 2 Chron. 34). Many identify the book as Deuteronomy, however, what is meant by Deuteronomy varies greatly from one scholar to another."

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"However, probably the most favored view by modern Old Testament scholars is that which was originally presented by W.M.L. de Wette in 1805, to be developed and most classically expressed by Wellhausen, that the “book of the law” found by Hilkiah had been recently written (seventh-century) by prophets (or a prophet) with the purpose of promoting a religious reform which did indeed occur after Josiah had read the book.[4] One last view was that it was not Deuteronomy which was found but the “Holiness Code” of Leviticus 17--26 because Deuteronomy is of post-exilic origin.

Berry’s view is clearly a minority one which has been mentioned for completeness but will not be addressed further in this paper. The others can be generally divided, for the purposes of this study, into two major positions: (1) an early Deuteronomy, be it Mosaic or one written after Moses yet long before Josiah’s time, and (2) a late Deuteronomy as asserted by Wellhausen written just prior to its discovery in the temple for the purpose of and resulting in reform.

The views analyzed. In analyzing the above views the first to be examined will be Wellhausen’s position of a late Deuteronomy written for the purpose of religious reform.

As many have pointed out, a foundational presupposition for this view is that the discovery of the “book of the law” was that which was the impetus for reforms by King Josiah.[6] This is based upon what appears to be the chronological order of events in 2 Kings 22--23. In 2 Kings 22 it is reported that the “lost book” was found during Josiah’s eighteenth year to reign (22:1-13). Then it seems to be after this and in response to this, that Josiah initiates reform in 2 Kings 23:4-20. Driver argues that upon Josiah’s ascension there was a willingness by the young king to bring about reform but because of his youth he was unable to effect such massive change; therefore Deuteronomy was written, be it under Manasseh or just prior to Josiah’s ascension, in order to supply a basis for reform in its “Mosaic” authority."

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Why does it have to "disprove anything"...

GOD SAID HE GAVE US THE SUN MOON AND STARS FOR SIGNS AND SEASONS. Book of Genesis
HE CREATED THE CONSTELLATIONS AND NAMED THEM. (Book of Job)
Job even goes on to say that he had to be careful NOT to worship the heavenly bodies (ZODIAC) as the heathen nations but to worship the creator.
What if it is NO coincidence. 12 constellations/12 tribes...what does that prove?
If you understand the ancient constellation chart which is different than the modern chart, you would see God's redemption plan written in the stars. It's the oldest 'storybook' in existence.
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Yes, I agree, that the gospel of God's redemptive plan for mankind was written in the stars long before any Zodiac was taken from it and "paganized". Most assuridly they do represent the 12 tribes, also the 12 disciples, and other spiritual symbols, but that is what they are...spiritual symbols, not to be worshiped but to glean insight into the plan and program of the Living God.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Ancient Greek... LMAO!

Before the egyptians let those bums in to study the ancient mystery system of the nile valley they were savage animals.

Then they learned a little something and JUST LIKE A BEAST WOULD, they claimed all of that shit as their own.

Socrates, Aristotle, Plato... all frauds who were students in Kemet.
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You talk about disinformation and then reference Zeitgeist and DM Murdock!? Funny! wall

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