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SALVIA DIVINORUM...ANY TRIPPERS EXPERIENCED "THE WHEEL"?

 
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and put away all dangerous stuff like knives, torches, fire, etc..-quote.

oh shit!
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
Thread: I shot video of the earth from my spacecraft, enjoy!
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here's my written down experience:

salvia divinorum
10x extract
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i tried the extract many times, but there was nothing but a soft feeling of high.
not psychedelic at all. i thought i was one of these people who are not able to fly with salvia.
(not a very nice thought - flightless, a dodo...)

then some evening at friends, i had the salvia with me, and because it didnt work with me i gave it
to the others. they where sitting there, giggeling, and telling what funny things they see,
all about very pleasant things. not very spectacular.

i decided to try it once more. i made me a big hit in the bong, and then i left the room to go to toilet.
my girlfriend then put some more in the head, because she thought, maybe i have to smoke more to
get some flight. (she did not know that i thought that too when i was filling the head. =)

i came back, sit down, and took the bong. i wasnt expecting anything to happen, so i went on
without much thinking. like smoking pot.
i smoked....then it get very strange and hard to describe and to remember.
i remember that i leaned back, gave the bong away.
i closed my eyes. my body felt like thousand little needles where tickeling me.
was not hurting, felt quite pleasant (this should be change soon)
this feeling where twisting, like my body was turning. not the whole body around an axis,
but as the body was twisting itself round and round, like a spiral that gets more and more twisted.
optical i "saw" something like a landscape, with little dwarfs or beeings, very funny,
like they sang all the time some funny kiddie-songs and dancing some stupid dances.
all very "stupid" or crazy. (stupid like funny, not bad stupid. a bit like the humor of monty python.)
there was a carussel with funny things, all was colored in diagonal stripes, mostly red-white.
like candy-sticks and stuff. there was a bright touch of "christmas" in all.
like christmastrees, all very green, colorfull and shining.

the body-feeling was getting intenser every second. at some point it was getting too intense.
not pleasant any more. i was afraid that this feeling, this twisting, would mangle my body and my mind.
like i was squeezed to press out every fluid in me. the vision of a rolling walz over that i was
windet was comming up. no, like i was the walz - and the thing around it wich it was winding.
like i was the carpet of the reality wich was windet up. very strange.

it was getting too much. then i rememberd: i often read, that with salvia, you should do it with
closed eyes, otherway, if you open your eyes you could "break" the vision.
so i opened my eyes to stop this.

but it didnt stop. no chance. at this point a slightly panic came up in my mind.
i did not have optical hallucinations. the room looked normal, the people who sat there too.
but i could not understand it. all relation to reality was lost. room? whats that?
people...ok, but who the hell are they? what is "they"? what am i? what? ...?
all dissolved to absolute meaningless. i had no "system" to measure all this.

behind me (there was a tv, a movie about drugs was on) was a voice, telling about drugs and stuff.
i did not remember the tv....only this woman-voice talking about drugs and reality and doors to other realities.
i did "understand" that, allthough i did not understand my surrounding.

i turned around. and then something so overwhelming was comming right for me.
from the tv there came a black "mass", like small pixel-smoke. totaly dark and black. not black,
it was the "nothing". the nothing came out of the tv and dissolved the "here and now".
and looked very 2-dimensional, like a flat picture. but the black pixels were growing.
more and more of the room was overlayed with this, and it came nearer to me. and nearer.
and the voice allthe time talked about reality and drugs and brain.

at this point i nearly lost my mind. i was afraid that i will get permanently crazy.
a wondered if this is the moment where i can observe me going crazy. forever lost.
i was getting real panik. maybe i die? maybe i get real crazy? but then...whats "me" again?
i turned around. there where all the people, they where looking at me. totaly quiet.
dont they see whats coming near us? they where not reacting to the black mass.
that was irritating me. i looked around. they talked to me, i could hear this, but i could
not understand it. whats language anyway?

i turned back again. the mass was so close to me that i turned back and jumped from the couch.
i was starting to jump away, to run away.
but 2 meters in front of me was a wall. i did not realize that. that was so irrelevant. there
was some very scary black mass in my back and it tried to get me, so some animal-imstinct started to take
over my movement and reaction. i wanted to get away. anywhere. NOW!

someone grabbed my arm and was holding me back from running wild against the wall.
i looked. thats a person. but what? who? hä?
a voice: "sit down. all is good"
all people now looked real frightened at me.
i had no memory what was before this experience. no personal memory. no egomemory. nothing.
i stand there and all i knew was that something real bad was trieing to get me.
i am afraid i am getting a psychosis right now. i looked at the one who is holding me,
my face (they told me that later) was so scared, like an animal who is hunted and know it has no chance.
never had such a scare in my face (and in my mind).

i was still standing there, all was lost. the single thing that was existent was my panic.
the thing behind me. whatever that was.
(i made notices the next days - there i desribed it real wild and crazy.
like that this black pixels where some other reality, or some reality-eating thing.
like antimatter or something. it was overlaying, or eating the reality, and my space i nreality
was getting smaller and smaller, until only i was left.

again a voice:" sit down, you have smoked salvia.remember."
salvia....no guess...but very slow a bit of counsciousness came back to my terrorized, scattered mind.
i sat down. looked around. do i know these guys?
i tried to speak. "savliva?....you...? me...? ah...i know...i am here, i am xxx right?
you are that person? i smoked salvia?"
now i remembered that i smoked this stuff.at that moment i was forgetting the black thing.
or it dissapeared. i was coming down a bit. my eyes where still wide open of panic.
my bloodpreasure must have been very critical. now i feeled my face tickling.
i hyperventilated so much that my whole body was tickling (the skin)

the next 15 minutes i sat there speechless and tried to figure out what happend to me.
the whole evening i was in a very strange state of consciousness. (the whole next 2-3 weeks i was in that state)
allways looking "holes in the sky" and thinking about what happenend. tried to find an answer.
my girlfriend was real scared about me.


the notices i made are very strange. the longer this experience is away in the past, the more
clearer it gets. and the more unspectacular too.
at least, now, i can say that not much happened at all. no big hallucinations or optics.
the bodyfeeling and the fact that it didnot stop by eye-opening was what scared me so.

i wrote something about a layered reality, like many layers and the black thing was the thing that lays
between two layers. (our reality and the "next" one. like this layers where glued together
and someone pulls this two layers apart. and between the layers there came this black pixels out.



i have to say, i went a little to fast with making such a big dose (and doubled it by accident by someone else)
i had read a lot of salvia. before i do a drug i am reading tons of stuff and spend hell of time with that.
(my girlfriend gets real nerved about that sometimes, because i cannot concentrate on other thing then.
but because i did not expect anything to happen i was unprepared. and it came so goddam quick and hard.
i was getting a real big hammer in the face.

i am not clear about, what this vision want to say me. i cannot find some spiritual information in this.
sometimes i think, some entity was there, and it showed me what reality is really all about.
but then what? what for?
then i think...i did lots of psychedelics before, and get to a point long ago, where
it was clear for me that the reality is "a living thing" wich i am part of and i am the creator of.
i got through so much of this thoughts, that i came to a point where i decided that i dont have to take psychedelics,
because now i know. and there is no need to "see this movie again". its like learning to write or walk
over and over again, when you take psychedelics again and again. sometimes you come to a point,
where you think, this is it. here i am, and here i will stay, even if i stop taking psychedelics.
(but i must say, in the last years, without taking it, i forgot it bit by bit.
so maybe i have to make new experiences sometimes to remember again.

but anyway..i am not sure what salvia was trying to tell me.
that was an overwhelming experience, but not very spiritual.

i have to say to all who think about trying salvia first time:
be very sure what you do!
set and setting is VERY neccessary with salvia i think.
have a sitter!!!!!!!!!a good one.
and put away all dangerous stuff like knives, torches, fire, etc..
if there would not have been a wall but a window, or fire, or lake or whatever, i still would
have ran into it if noone stopped me. this is truly a dangerous component of salvia.
i dont want to advise you to take it not. but be very sure and safe.
i do not advise to take it though. everone has to decide for himself, like all day in life.
but be prepared. maybe you know people who tell abouit some nice, funny, freaky things they
have seen on salvia, but remember that there are also a lot of people who had shit in the pants
and panic in the eyes. (no - i did not had shit in the pants =)
 Quoting: Anunomys Carowd 884164


all that from 10x...? really...?

find that incredibly hard to believe. I smoked 40x a couple times and the worst I experienced was the room being a small cell in a giant blue entities hair, A bed turning into a lego train, and becomming an Anti Matter (myself) floating above us watching in anger.

The experiences were all dreadful.
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psychedelics permit you to enter the astral realm briefly.....

in the astral you can see your emotions....

and that might not be something you are prepared for.....
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
Thread: I shot video of the earth from my spacecraft, enjoy!
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psychedelics permit you to enter the astral realm briefly.....

in the astral you can see your emotions....

and that might not be something you are prepared for.....
 Quoting: mr...bojangles



Hallucinogens are boundary dissolvers, plain and simple. Don't like your notion of reality breaking down before and within you? Don't ever take hallucinogens. :)

That however, is exactly why I do.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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I had a wheel experience about fifteen years ago on ketamine.

I had left my body and rose above the earth into space.
Earth was a spiritual being though.

It was a wheel, composed of a wheel within a wheel.

The inner wheel rotated counterclockwise whilst the outer rotated clockwise. The inner was blue, the outer was red.

What is really interesting is what the wheels were made of.

Imaging that they were latex tubes completely stuffed with naked humans swimming gracefully like fish in the direction of the spin. All of the outer red forms were female, all the inner blue male. As they swam through their wheeltubes, they would fight for the chance to be along the side where their wheel contacted the opposite sex. It was assumed one member from one wheel would come in to contact with a member of the other wheel for a brief orgasmic moment.

It was really beautiful, and life changing.
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Yes. I saw the wheel the first time I did Ayahuasca.
I had the notion that it was like a roulette wheel and when it would roll, it was like my consciousness would go through
all options available in life and where it would land was
what I was supposed to experience.
The instructions given were "Taste and roll again." That expression kept coming up.

Has anyone had the experience during a trip, where a voice starts announcing the secret of life? It's almost like a recording that just plays at regular intervals. It's hard to remember what it says when you come out of it.. but It was like "It's a this.. it's a that.. like two undone puzzles that complete each other." I can never remember exactly what it says. Though at one point I was repeatedly told this:

"At the center, It posits a question.. WHO AM I?"

Man, I love psychedelics!
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psychedelics permit you to enter the astral realm briefly.....

in the astral you can see your emotions....

and that might not be something you are prepared for.....



Hallucinogens are boundary dissolvers, plain and simple. Don't like your notion of reality breaking down before and within you? Don't ever take hallucinogens. :)

That however, is exactly why I do.
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Bingo.
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psychedelics permit you to enter the astral realm briefly.....

in the astral you can see your emotions....

and that might not be something you are prepared for.....
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Don't believe anything I say... I lie all the time.
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was anyone told anything they weren't supposed to talk about?
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I'm almost a regular user of it. tounge I've never taken a really big hit yet. I guess I'm too afraid or just not ready for the "breakthrough" experience some people have.

The realm of Lady Salvia is really freaking weird for sure. I always see flat surfaces made up of thousands of little geometric objects.

Try taking it in complete darkness with your eyes open. You'll see things. Lots of things.

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The true Gospel: Believe.
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I'm almost a regular user of it. tounge I've never taken a really big hit yet. I guess I'm too afraid or just not ready for the "breakthrough" experience some people have.

The realm of Lady Salvia is really freaking weird for sure. I always see flat surfaces made up of thousands of little geometric objects.

Try taking it in complete darkness with your eyes open. You'll see things. Lots of things.
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haha....try holding in 2 20x hits for at least 30 seconds

i couldn't possibly imagine smoking this regularly...was extremely powerful,once might be enough
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i tried it, and I felt like I was in a locked ride through disneyworld, like literally disneyworld, it was insane
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cool! i also smoked not knowing about it was about and once it introduced itself in a playful way gravity did its thing and pulled me into what i best describe a rollercoaster with harness bars too. going up? yep, more like slingshotted.
before all that there was a spiral and my vision became the spiral. didn't last long becuse i fought it because i felt that was my doom to go there. it was unfortunately pretty terrifying at times...but this thread helped me see the spiral in a different way. so if i get the nerve to go a second time...
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and put away all dangerous stuff like knives, torches, fire, etc..-quote.

oh shit!
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yeah, you leave your body and could possibly become angrily confused.
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No never, and I'm an experienced "tripper" (and not a "recreational use" one).
The definition you gave and the question you ask, relates more to DMT (read Ayuaska here) than to divinorium.
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No never, and I'm an experienced "tripper" (and not a "recreational use" one).
The definition you gave and the question you ask, relates more to DMT (read Ayuaska here) than to divinorium.
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whatever man go for your nap
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the wheels you guys are talking about....

chakras?
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
Thread: I shot video of the earth from my spacecraft, enjoy!
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was anyone told anything they weren't supposed to talk about?
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In a way. I had a trip where I felt that what I had just seen, no human was created to experience, and I had done something irreversible to my own being just by knowing it. A thorn in the soul that made me spiritually gag and heave for months.
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I did a 30x bong last night.. while reading posts here at GLP, I loaded the pipe took two deep breathes & one large draw from the pipe.

I put my thumb over the bowl to snuff what might be left & as I set the pipe down on the desk.. I felt a warmth wash over me and my hearing began to fade, I could no longer hear my neighbors arguing.

Suddenly the monitor and the screen started spinning in one direction.. The room and my chair started spinning in the other & I heard a calm voice as clear as day telling me to pull my hands in closer to my chest.

I was instructed not to reach out to anything around me & not to move even as my chair and the room around me spun into the blur of colors at intensifying speed.. I felt my breathe becoming part of the vortex and the oxygen being sucked from the environment.

I felt an all encompassing presence that was still and directly in front of my face telling me that I was not drowning but if i stayed much longer my essence would be taken up in the whirlwind around me.. I would be sent back soon & that I should only come back to the whirlwind when I was prepared to let everything slip into this abyss.

At that point as if on a carnival ride things began to slow and my mind could make out grinding sounds like metal on metal, like hatches in a ships cargo hold opening and slamming shut at the same time.

Things began to pressurize again..

I found myself taking a huge gasp of air I became aware of my tingling hands crossed over my chest and a subsiding swirling sound in my ears.. my reality seemed to be re materializing & I was able to make out the screen in front of me.

I couldn't help but take the voice's warning seriously.. my next trip into the abyss will be my last. This body (container) will be left behind and my (essence) soul will cross over & emerge on the other side of that vortex.

You can make of this info what you will.. but there is something else out there waiting for us.

Playing in that reality is playing with the idea of leaving this realm forever.

There is nothing for us to bring back from the whirlwind (wheel) except the decision that we're ready to step through permanently into the unknown.

Be careful what you wish for.. that is not a world where decisions can be easily undone or written off as a fanciful recreational experience.

ICU.2
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I remember doing it and fresh prince of bel-air was on tv, fucked it all up, hahah
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never heard of the "wheel" but i've been thru what many call the narrowing tunnel. kinda funny feeling. standing up and feeling like being brought to your knees,
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Salvia opens your mind to the quantic reality of this world.
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The best example for the Mars bar chocolate roll from the commercial is if you go sit in front of a pond or a lake, in sunset or early morning, and then stare at it for like 15 mins to half an hour you will see the water disappear!!! All you will see another land !!
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Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Anyways, I was wondering if I can smoke it in a spliff too. Not a big fan of bongs.
Also the majority of you are talking about a spinning sensation. does the spinning creats a feeling of nausea?

Thanks
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Check out Qi Gong, Thai chi, yoga, any intentional alignment exercises.

Drugs can offer a window to the divine but in order to walk through the door you might want to take your body.



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I find that the experience of a twisting or turning is always present. the feeling as if i was rolled-on or winding on a big rolling tube. as if the reality is sucked from a two-dimensional, flat form, on this tube.
 Quoting: Anynumos Caword 884164


I experienced that too.

Life is a salvia trip. I can trip out without salvia. Scary.
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I just took first hit tonight of salvia...red "visionary" quest from salvia zone. I only got one hit in and as soon as I exhaled I felt a wave of force washing over me in a circular pattern from right to left. It felt like I started to become a part of a wheel, or a spoke on a wheel. I looked behind me and stretching to infinity was a mass of gears and wheels, all with people as the spokes. The people where stuffed into crayola crayon wrappers of all different colors. The vision was intense, but was even more intense was the feeling that my whole life was a lie, and this machine to which I was becoming a part of is and always was the real world/reality. I tried to pull myself away from this by trying to get up from my position, but my wife(who was sitting for me) kept pushing me back down and telling me to sit. In my trip all I remembered thinking about that was that she was in on it and as I did she seemed to meld to the machine also. From there I did end up laying down on my bed and accepting my fate, I felt as if I was sinking down into my resting surface, while being sort of wrapped up in a cocoon simultaneously. Then, I started to come to.
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I experienced the room turning into the galley of some old ship. My gorgeous wood floors turned up and into the floor of an old seaship, I could smell fishy water and hear bell sounds, and sounds like thunder and lightning. And as the floor turned up I could hear it creaking. Weird and wild man.
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I haven't experience a wheel, but when coming out of a trip I get the feeling of moving out of a spiral.

Also, I have seen the place where reality ends, and then is created again. This happens constantly, or so says Sally.

Good ol Sally...
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I find that the experience of a twisting or turning is always present. the feeling as if i was rolled-on or winding on a big rolling tube. as if the reality is sucked from a two-dimensional, flat form, on this tube.
 Quoting: Anynumos Caword 884164


My experience is that I was a drill or auger of some kind which laid horizontally into the earth to till up soil for farming.

I spun or revolved in a circular fashion the entire time and had the most intense feelings of bliss and "being in the perfect place at the perfect time."
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Re: SALVIA DIVINORUM...ANY TRIPPERS EXPERIENCED "THE WHEEL"?
The vision was intense, but was even more intense was the feeling that my whole life was a lie, and this machine to which I was becoming a part of is and always was the real world/reality.
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I experience the same exact feeling.

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