SALVIA DIVINORUM...ANY TRIPPERS EXPERIENCED "THE WHEEL"?

yes. the little "people" were singing to me "come on, come on" in a cute sing song voice, beckoning me, to roll with it, as they rolled up the fabric of reality. i went with them willingly, and i have never, ever laughed so hard and so long in my entire life as i did that day. it was a wonderful experience.

i know exactly what your taking about i experienced it the first time I smoked i saw the way reality truely worked i was 15 totally couldn't handle it ran an hid in the bath tub almost lost my mind

First time around...

I was having a great time, exploring... then the view panned out and the realisation slowly sank in that I was just a taste bud - a single insignificant taste bud - on a tongue. The tongue was curling and uncurling and the mouth was about to close and I was about to disappear forever into the dark abyss. Me and the hundreds of little buds just like me.

Second time was similar. Started off as fun, but as the picture panned out, I realised I was just a speck of dirt on the street, laying by the curb. And here came a foot and stepped on me and off I went, stuck to the foot.

Both times, I came out of the trip drenched as if I just came out of a torrential rain. Both experiences had me feeling incredibly sorry for myself and scared at the same time. Scared and wanting to, at any cost, to get back to the previous life (reality).

That was a few years ago and I haven't been back since. No plans to either. Got enough scary trippy sh*t around me every day as it is... and GLP's just the half of it.

I HAVE!

I mean, it reminded me so much of the way the magnetic field around a conductor behaves... constantly cycling within itself.. I mean, I dunno how to say what I see, and what I felt, but it is as though an infinite amount of solid bars inside me were rotating in the same direction, for an overall effect of spinning, as a whole thing, in that direction, though I was laying on my back staring at the ceiling.

I wish I had a way to record feelings and re-transmit them to other people.. That's what it all boils down to, really..

"Here, feel this, you'll understand."

maybe that's what drugs are for, huh?

no I just thought the furniture turned into legos. the people in the tv were real live actual tiny people. The picture frames made a solid block across the room and I had to duck under these. It turned out my head was split in half. The top of my head was on a conveyor belt and the bottom half of me was trying to keep up.

the second time some thing kept saying I do not belong here....

college was crazy sometimes

when comming down, did anyone feel sound as a solid? the noise from the tv was hitting me in the side of the head and everything in my field of vision was one solid sheet of 2D reality being layered moment by moment onto the wheel. She was rolling up reality.

i tried it. didn't care for it, it's intense for about 30 seconds then nothing. you have to keep smoking it, and i didn't really care for the buzz anyway.

I have experienced the wheel and its many different realities or whatever they may be and the entity inside. I feel the same it may be a similar or the same experience as death its truely amazing that we have this connection no matter where in the world we are. It makes me want to tell the whole world that we may be standing on the cusp of something great but I feel people who havent experienced the wheel will ridicule us.

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hmmm no wheel, describe it for me.

Closest I came to a wheel was being in a book (the spine part) Each page of the book curved away from the spine and held a different reality....each page showed the room I was in but each was slightly different, missing pieces of furniture, people, etc. While I was trying to decide which page I would slide into, I lost it. Will be trying it again in a few weeks to see if i can capture that again.

I tried a few years ago and it was an absolute unique experience. Was alone in my bedroom in the middle of the afternoon and suddently I felt I was in the middle of the jungle, dancing and chanting around a fire with my fellows, it was like I could hear and fell the beating of the drums, calling something deep inside of me. Really felt like been returned to our roots, a strange and marvelous feeling. And for a moment there it all makes sense and you feel you are connected to some higher truth. Worderfull trip!

yes. i saw the wheel just before it let go. oh man was i glad to go.

Dude this is so weird, I googled this because I saw a thread on shroomery about someone video taping their experience of talking to an entity that was spinning "the wheel" and it reminded me almost exactly of my first breakthrough experience.

My first breakthrough is as follows, after holding the hit in for a good 20 seconds or more I was instantly shot into another dimension (I did not recognize the transition and had no sense of body or "me", my ego was dead & my soul was in another realm). I sensed a prescense wanted to show me this and had brought me to this place, but could not see this entity nor did it speak to me.
The dimension was just a vast open space of a metallic green/blue background color & there was a vortex cylindrical spinning wheel of sorts that was composed of film (the kind the movie theatre projectors have). The wheel was also a metallic looking (holographic is a better word) mirage of blue and green hues.
As this came into my field of view I began to see each individual slide of film in frames. Each frame was a scene in some girl I did not know's life (possibly me in a previous life [I am a male]) I do not remember specifically what each frame was, but I want to say one of them sticks out as being a girl in her backyard in a garden tending to plants. The very last frame was not clear but I sensed that it was the end of her life and she had died, suddenly as I realized this the frame of film ripped in half and I was shot back, instantaneously into this realm & was standing in my bathroom with my homemade bong perplexed.

I think there is more to this than just a hallucination IMO.

What is most challenging is when the Door floods open and you have been absolutely without any drugs or alcohol for many years. There is no "off switch". There is no reasoning that "I'll wait it out and I'll come down soon", so that faith saves your sanity.

It takes days of heavy, intentional distractions into meanial junk to let the "beautiful sting" fade to a safe level.

The most powerful experience I've had was using it while sitting on a chair in the snow, in the back yard with some friends.

My vision faded out and it felt like I was being ripped away from this planet through a tunnel. I was in space, through a tunnel/wormhole, and I could feel/sense the reality I knew being left behind. I thought about my wife sitting in the house, and how I'd never see her again. I literally thought that the stuff had killed me, and I was being torn away from everything I knew.

I started panicking and saying "oh no, no....!" and my friend was trying to calm me down. I could hear his voice, but couldn't see him.

Eventually I returned to reality, freaked out. I've never taken that much again.

the first time i did it i fell and hit my head on the ground. i ended up tripping for 90 minutes as opposed to the normal 15.

at the beginning i looked out the window and i saw all these little men. they were telling me something i dont remember but eventually i started yelling "when, when is it going to happen. i then started doing somersaults on the ground while my girlfriend attempted to calm me down. all the spinning made me think i was in a car accident but eventually i realized that i felt fine and the spinning was not stopping so it couldnt be a car. then entry into this reality became a pin dot. i had to either line up my mouth or my eyes in order to see this world. i let go and was taken up. way up. into blackness. in this void i then saw my whole life as a snake. i could cycle through it like looking through albums on an ipod.

television was a big part of it. i dont own a tv but in my trip i saw alf...and i was jumping from scene to scene of old tv shows i watched when i was a kid. i remember being inside the frame of a picture on the set of threes company looking out at the crowd.

to come back to this reality i had to slowly relearn everything. jungle, monkeys, humans, hands, girlfriend, philadelphia, roommates.



i experienced the wheel the other night on mushrooms. i controlled the wheel. the wheel was mine. time was mine. i was told that every bit of everything i ever experiences and ever learned was made for and by me, was written by me, drawn by me....everything. even human history of this planet. just my dream to make sense of my senses.

this is a strange world my friends. nothing is as it seems. absolutely nothing. see you all in the future.

I ended up here because I've just had my first "real" salvia experience after a few failed attempts in the past.

I googled "salvia divinorum felt i was spinning" and ended up here. So there is clearly a pattern with the feeling of something turning around.

It is hard to put into words, I didn't actually feel I was spinning, it was more like if the landscape where I existed was being turned upside down, and the speed and geometric pace at which this was happening was extremely organized and consistent, following a pattern of diagonals crossing lanes.

All of this was accompanied by some kind of "sweep" that walked through my brain following the same diagonal pattern.

That was the only moment (it was probably seconds) where I actually let go. All in all I fought to stay alert, my brain is too wired into the 'alert+problem solving' mode, I guess having 3 kids forces me into that particular brain wiring, I am the chief of my tribe, they depend on me, so it's hard to let go.

All in all I am a bit amazed at the strangeness of the experience, but I don't feel any much wiser. I've had wisdom breakthroughs while under the effects of marihuana many times because it sets a reflexive and open mind state. However this was so foreign and short lived that I'll need more time to make sense out of it.

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I see that every time.
The room and everything else including myself become flat or 2D
I become one with the floor and it feels like I am losing my body.
I panic every time that happens.

When the trip is over I am left with a slight feeling of claustrophobia.

The "multicolored spinning wheel" sight is a common Salvia experience. People can experience, actually getting absorbed my the wheel while it's spinning and I've heard accounts of people seeing "entities" which appear to be watching and even controlling the wheel with levers. I experienced the wheel at sight from a distance, during my breakthrough 1st trip. Something in my psyche told me not to get to close to it. Beyond the wheel, I saw ineffable machine like objects and a long "rainbow" road that evething in our reality was getting pulled into. Everything I saw during that trip was beautiful. When you land on the perfect trip with just the right amount in your system, things can be very pleasant, but get too much, and the world shown might be a nightmare to experience. Your natural inner psyche can also be a big factor in determining what you experience.

Please read the following short story:

A man named John went to his local smoke shop, purchased a packet, that contains a legal herb called salvia divinorum extract (aka ojos del pastor, eyes of god). John also purchased a very inexpensive pipe, following the recommendation of the counter clerk working that night.

John went home, took care of everything that needed to be done that night. John went into his study, where he has a large, soft, comfortable recliner. John opened up the packet and poured the contents into his pipe. John turned off the lights, closed the door, turned off the tv, muted his cell phone, and returned to his chair. John sat in silence until his mind was quiet. Then he took his lighter and sparked the bowl. John inhaled long and slow allowing the unique, exotic flavor and essence of the salvia smoke into his lungs. Any urges to cough, were met with the strong will not to. John held this smoke in as long as he thought he could, and then a few seconds more. John then exhaled in a quick but controlled manner. Immediately and most importantly, John took another hit of the herb and then immediately (safely) set the pipe and lighter down on his desk and leaned back in his Lazyboy. John closed his eyes and held that smoke in for as long as possible...

John begin to feel as if his body was trying to roll off of the chair, even though it was not. John remained relaxed and calm no matter what he perceived to be happening. He noticed that trying to counter the rolling motion actually made him almost fall out of his chair, so when he relaxed, everything was good.

John began to see bright beautiful sequences of color dancing around the room. Remember John was in a completely dark room. This light spiraled and moved about in all directions in an amazing fashion. Similar to the most amazing kaleidoscope you can imagine.

While taking in all the colors and beauty, John forgot who and what he was, and started flowing around with all the colors and shapes. The world and life he had known was no more. He was still aware, more aware than he had ever been, but what was it that he was aware of.. He could remember John and John's life, but that was not who he was at this time. Time.. he realized that the feeling of time had ceased to exist. There was only now and in his now John's life appeared to be like a reel of film, that he was outside of. I only say he for it not seems that he was no longer of gender.

It realized that it knew everything that had ever happened and would ever happen. It was everything. Unexplainable in language, but he was at that moment, then entire universe and was able to not just observe it, but feel it. Outside of time, this moment was endless and beginingless. It began to see different peoples lives through their eyes, almost like watching 100 tv screens at once. It also saw John's life, through his eyes. Sitting in that dark room in his chair. At that moment all of John's memories of his life and loved ones filled it's awareness. At this point, it felt like John again and John thought, I want to go back to my life, how do I go back to my life?

John tried with all of his will to go to his life and slowly it seemed that his awareness was moving towards his life. Once John was close to his life again everything started spinning and he realized that he was sitting in his chair and the room appeared to be spinning around him. He was again aware of time and wondered how much of it had passed. His mind could not comprehend what had just happened to him. It was so amazing, that it could not even be put into words.

As the spinning slowed down, the knowledge and feelings that he had experienced quickly faded away. Only the intense colors and remembering the experience of being outside time remained. This was indeed the most intense and amazing John had ever had in his entire life. John was 42 years old when he had this experience.

The experience that John had is unexplainable in words and is only understood by those who have had it. Shamans, mystics, and countless other beings who label themselves or not, have experienced this sense of oneness. This beingness. That can only be described by most of them as the most divine and spiritual experience that they have ever encountered. John said that anyone who is seeking answers or wants to learn more about themselves and see things from a new perspective, may want to try what he did. John said to make sure that you are calm, quiet, reflective, and positive when you do it.

This may help you sister. Peace and Love to ALL.

yes, I was on the wheel, it seemed more like a band to me - like a roller coaster weaving in and out of time

but the crazy thing was, while the point of our reality was pulling me back

an entity came after and tried to pull me from the wheel for being able to look around, outside of my time existence

it wanted to take me out of time, as if I were a defect or something

its pull was much stronger than the pull of our time and space on my bodily existence

but, I got back as the effects wore off


I believe that there were multiple figures watching over the wheel or bands of our reality, and when they saw I was looking around, my awareness unstuck from time, they came after me

f that shit

crazy

My last salvia experience was just that, my last. I will never touch that shit again because it's not enjoyable.
It felt like I was melting into the wall. I could "see" everything everywhere. I did not like what I saw.
It was night. I could "see" the people surrounding me. People were glued to their television, with advertisements of "buy our smell" and the eerie glow of the radiation from that demonic box.
My friend who was watching over me asked if I was OK. I said no. He asked if I needed help. My response was only my father can help me. He asked if he needed to call my dad. I said no, only my father can help.
It was very bizarre. I saw what I did not like about humanity. It is what keeps us prisoners. It's what makes you buy their wars.
God save us.

Yes, at night with eyes open is incredible, and outside with bare feet, grounding with the earth.

Heres from my first trip:

Intentions for trip: Mystic Journey, spiritual knowledge, dimensional travel.

I had not tried Salvia before, so we packed the bong bowl really well to make sure that I could ''break through'' the first time and not have to hit it more than once.

All I remember from the beginning of the trip was taking an enormous draw, immediately handing off the bong and laying my head back, and not remembering anything at all. My spotter says I was spouting words that didn't make sense, ''honey.. (indiscernible)..'' finally uttering two words he understood, ''honey maple...''. I began thrashing my arms and legs, as if to move or leave. I was in a plastic reclining lawn chair. This mumbling and thrashing lasted for the first 5 minutes.

A few minutes later, the level 5 hallucinations began. My first ''thought'' was of some strangely familiar terror, and I thought ''not this again''. I'll never forget what I was seeing.

I was standing on an obsidian black floor in a black, infinite void. A large, 2-story beige and dark brown house was twisting and tumbling towards me.. as if it was in a dryer. I keep hearing many voices. I single out the phrase, ''Its time to go'', ''Its time to know''

Suddenly, I was on the front porch of this house, and It was spiraling in on itself, in a Golden number sort of way.. I remember feeling a force actually turn me around, contorting my body. I then saw a black figure standing directly in front of me, with high, sharp shoulders. I was arguing with him, yet I was annoyed with him. I heard him say ''calm down''. I instantly wondered why.. who is this, why should I calm down for him, hes not in control! I waited to finish what he was communicating, and then said ''fuck you'', and then started to notice others in this plane. A tall woman, with a child (not positive of the gender) was motioning me to get on this roller coaster car which had arrived in front of the porch and to the right of the tall black being. I could feel other entities as well, small geometric beings of light, at least 8 in number, as if they were observing.what I would do next.

In this hallucination.. I felt the need to STAND, but standing is no good in a small hut with a 4.5'' foot ceiling. I dont know why, or for how long, but I started pushing my body out of my chair, arcing my back out of this plastic chair until I feel it break. Although I'm still hallucinating, I know that this broken chair is going to ruin my trip.. I cannot get comfortable. I keep fumbling in and out of both realities, feeling myself improperly try to hold up my body in the stead of the broken right arm of the chair.

I am visualizing both realities at this point. I'm aware that I'm tripping, but can barely talk. I crawl out of the chair and onto the floor, barely able to see. I can see meshes of the wood from the inside of the hut, and paneling from the ceiling of that tumbling front porch in the void. While I'm staring at this black being, I hear my spotter say ''You're surrounded by people who love you'', and for some reason I respond with ''not cool...''

I'm sweating at this point, eyes clinched shut. I swing my arm out and am able to feel his ankle. ''Who are you?'' I ask.

''Josh...'' ''..from ******''
''Whats your last name??''
''M********''
''Ok... ok.. I remember you...''

At that point, he anchored me back to reality more, I could remember who he was now... I could remember who I was. I had to focus on his essence before I could start to pull myself back into this plane.

Then the house melted away, and the black obsidian floor extended out forever and then dropped away. Josh was sitting on the ground with me, and I found myself clinching his waist, I could feel my legs actually falling into the blackness.. It felt like hanging onto a person whose sitting on the edge of a pool, your upper body weight is all you feel like you're supporting.

The whole trip lasted about 20 minutes, with 30ish additional minutes of pure adrenaline writing everything down.. lol.

My idea is that I smoked way too much in the initial hit, and for that reason went straight to level 6, and then down from there to 5.. but was unable to fully enjoy 5 because I broke my chair. In the future, I'll try the 60x again, I'll just make the dosage smaller. The trip was incredibly enlightening, very informative and I'm eager to journey again.. next time in a different setting.

Hope this is helpful. Always seeking. :)

this thread is very important... i had the craziest salvia experience... i escaped into the dimension of the spinning wheels.... it is fucking insane and the most real thing next to being alive.. in fact.. it is more real than you being alive right now.. the wheel is the reality printer... when you start getting high, the wheel rolls over you, and picks you up from your 3D dimension, and spins you into it's 2D dimension because we are just printed as holograms as the wheel turns reality.... I tried the purple sticky salvia 60x... and i could see the wheel so clearly, that if i closed my eyes, i could actually see the wheel BETTER than with my eyes open.. i then concluded that my 5 senes are not being used but rather i am seeing through my chackra... Imagine seeing clearer with your eyes closed.. a concept that most people cant imagine.... there were many wheels and people were trapped in them.. there was a feeling of being there millions of times, and each time being fooled... a feeling of that is where we go when we die... and then we are brought back to life... and we fergot all about it... a feeling of some kind of evil entity that is up to no good..

salvia is the truth to this world...while i was on that wheel , i could see many many people screaming for help and i could see their faces with 100% clearness.. I would not classify salvia as an ordinary drug.. it is something far more powerful.... the strange part is, my friend who was smoking with me, didn't even get nearly as high as me and didn't see the wheel.... some people are more tolerant to it i guess... it is some scary shit... i also felt hostility being in this dimension and a feeling of " better get out, or you will die permananetly "

While i was there, i was able to explore the wheels.. they had many people trapped in them.. i am not sure who these people are... maybe they are also people doing salvia, and we all merge into the same dimension during our trip??? because all of these people seemed to be tripping out as the wheel turned.... they were also saying the same thing as me and noticing that we are all trapped in a prison like system when we die.. everybody was saying stuff like " freedom doesn't exist ", " life its all an illusion " etc etc..

somehow i ended up in some kind of scene where i was at a coffee table and i was some kind of guy talking to this woman... i could see her face clearly and i don't even know who i was or who the woman i was talking to was.... i think i jumped into someones' body... and then i escaped her body and i was travelling through the stream of consciousness.. there was some kind of force that wanted me out of this dimension because i was learning too much while staying alive.. it was kind of a signal to get out or be reborn again...

the craziest part is when my high gets back to sober, the wheel starts fading out and i could see the real world better and the wheel literally "prints me back " into reality into a 3d person, as it rolls over the ground and keeps rolling as it drops me off...

I have done salvia about 6 years ago, and this trip was 3 months ago.. i wanted to renew my experience and each time i could see the wheel, but this time it was so clear and profound that i had to share it. I found the secret and i am sure of it.

this also happend to me while i was observing the wheels..

there was red, green and other christmas colours and kid like songs that were playing in the background.. there was also fireworks going off and happy birthday songs happening... it felt so familiar, like where everybody goes when they die.

disgusting effect like anything else than a 30 years quality wisky


but very strong effect

THIS^.

i've experienced this while in deep meditation. The understandings can be very depressing when you EXPERIENCE th unreality of this place.

life looses it's meaning and luster....