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incandescent bulbs will no longer be sold
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starting January 1, 2012, when 100-watt incandescent bulbs will no longer be sold. Seventy-five-watt traditional bulbs are the next go in 2013. Sales of 40- and 60-watt bulbs become a thing of the past in 2014.

If you have dimmer switches, better stock up now, dimmers damage CFL's, hence producing toxic waste.

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I hope so they waste tons of energy!


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OLED light panel
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I hope so they waste tons of energy!


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FUCK YOU.

Let's ban clothes dryers and hair dryers and freezers and electric stoves then too. What about private jets, swimming pools, amusement parks, or recreational vehicles? They waste tons of energy as well!!!

Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!
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Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!
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Nah...Somebody would still bitch, saying we haven't regressed enough!
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[link to www.greenerbuildings.com]

starting January 1, 2012, when 100-watt incandescent bulbs will no longer be sold. Seventy-five-watt traditional bulbs are the next go in 2013. Sales of 40- and 60-watt bulbs become a thing of the past in 2014.

If you have dimmer switches, better stock up now, dimmers damage CFL's, hence producing toxic waste.

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lol......we "stocked up" about 2 years ago, when Costco and Sam's BOTH stopped carrying incandescents. We tried the CFL's, hated em and took them back. Can't believe they're actually REQUIRING people to bring liquid mercury (in teh CFL's) into people's home living areas...talk about unintended consequences.

You think society is crazy now? Wait until about 15 years from now, when all those broken CFL's have made "mad hatters" out of 90% of the population! lol
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I hope so they waste tons of energy!


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FUCK YOU.

Let's ban clothes dryers and hair dryers and freezers and electric stoves then too. What about private jets, swimming pools, amusement parks, or recreational vehicles? They waste tons of energy as well!!!

Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!
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using LED or OLED lighting in every place in the US would reduce our power usage by over 50%
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.
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Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!
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on the boxes it even says not to put in a enclosed fixture .

The new bulbs are very toxic as they contain mercury in them.


tried the new bulbs, very expensive and give off very little light.

incandescent bulbs are the only way to go.
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.

Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!
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Of being poisened? Yeah...
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.

Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!

Of being poisened? Yeah...
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are you cracking them open and snorting the dust?
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.

Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!

Of being poisened? Yeah...

are you cracking them open and snorting the dust?
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You've never accidently broken a light globe?
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CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury
by Elizabeth Shogren

February 15, 2007
The Environmental Protection Agency and some large business, including Wal-Mart, are aggressively promoting the sale of compact fluorescent light bulbs as a way to save energy and fight global warming. They want Americans to buy many millions of them over the coming years.

But the bulbs contain small amounts of mercury, a neurotoxin, and the companies and federal government haven't come up with effective ways to get Americans to recycle them.

"The problem with the bulbs is that they'll break before they get to the landfill. They'll break in containers, or they'll break in a dumpster or they'll break in the trucks. Workers may be exposed to very high levels of mercury when that happens," says John Skinner, executive director of the Solid Waste Association of North America, the trade group for the people who handle trash and recycling.

Skinner says when bulbs break near homes, they can contaminate the soil.

Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses. Most exposure to mercury comes from eating fish contaminated with mercury,

Some states, cities and counties have outlawed putting CFL bulbs in the trash, but in most states the practice is legal.

Pete Keller works for Eco Lights Northwest, the only company in Washington state that recycles fluorescent lamps. He says it is illegal to put the bulbs in the trash in some counties in Washington, but most people still throw them out.

"I think most people do want to recycle, but if it's not made easy, it doesn't happen," Keller says. "And they're small enough to fit in a trash can. So by nature, I think most people are not recyclers. So if it's small enough to fit in a trash can, that's where it ends up."

Experts agree that it's not easy for most people to recycle these bulbs. Even cities that have curbside recycling won't take the bulbs. So people have to take them to a hazardous-waste collection day or a special facility.

The head of the Environmental Protection Agency program concedes that not enough has been done to urge people to recycle CFL bulbs and make it easier for them to do so.

"I share your frustration that there isn't a national infrastructure for the proper recycling of this product," says Wendy Reed, who manages EPA's Energy Star program. That programs gives the compact bulbs its "energy star" seal of approval.

She says that even though fluorescent bulbs contain mercury, using them contributes less mercury to the environment than using regular incandescent bulbs. That's because they use less electricity — and coal-fired power plants are the biggest source of mercury emissions in the air.

"The compact fluorescent light bulb is a product people can use to positively influence the environment to… prevent mercury emissions as well as greenhouse gas emissions. And it's something that we can do no—-- and it's extremely important that we do do i"," Reed says" "And the positive message is, if you recycle them, if you dispose of them properly, then they're doing a world of goo"."

Reed says the agency has been urging stores that sell the bulbs to help recycle them.

"EPA is actively engaged with trying to find a solution that works for these retailers around recycling the product, because it's really, really important," Reed says.

But so far, she says the biggest sellers of the bulbs haven't stepped up to the plate.

"The only retailer that I know of that is recycling is IKEA," she says, referring to the Swedish-owned furniture chain store.

Reed says the EPA has been prodding other retailers, such as Wal-Mart, to do more.

"We are working with Wal-Mart on it, we are making some progress. But no commitments have been made on the part of Wal-Mart," she says.

Wal-Mart didn't respond to requests for a comment on the issue.

EPA also has asked retailers to sell the lower mercury compact bulbs that some manufacturers are making. Engineers say you can't cut mercury out completely.

Some other big companies have started paying attention to the recycling problem.

General Electric has been making compact fluorescents for 20 years. Now the company admits that the little bit of mercury in each bulbs could become a real problem if sales balloon as expected.

"Given what we anticipate to be the significant increase in the use of these products, we are now beginning to look at, and shortly we'll be discussing with legislators, possibly a national solution here," says Earl Jones, a senior counsel for General Electric.

In fact, Jones said he was having his first talks with congressional staffers on Thursday.
Why Use a CFL?

According to the federal government, if every American home replaced just one light bulb with an Energy Star approved compact fluorescent bulb (CFL), the United States would save enough energy to light more than 2.5 million homes for a year and prevent greenhouse gases equivalent to the emissions of nearly 800,000 cars.

Energy Star is a joint project with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy that promotes energy efficient – and thus climate-friendly – products.

But not all CFLs are created equal. Here, some tips from Energy Star about what to look for and where to use a CFL:

The Benefits

— Energy Star qualified CFLs use at least two-thirds less energy than standard incandescent bulbs and last up to 10 times longer (average lifespan of a CFL is five years).

— CFLs save $30 or more in energy costs over each bulb's lifetime.

— CFLs generate 70 percent less heat, making them safer to operate.

Where to Use

— To get the most energy savings, replace bulbs where lights are on the most, such as the family and living rooms, kitchen, dining room and porch.

— Install them in hard to reach fixtures, like ceiling fans.

— Make sure the CFL matches the right fixture by reading any restrictions on the package. Some CFLs work with dimmers, others are specially made for recessed or enclosed fixtures.

Myths

— CFLs have a harsh, cold light quality. Increasingly, this is less of an issue. Over the past few years, manufacturers have worked to provide a warmer color. Some people say they still notice a difference, but the gap is narrowing. For a warmer, white light, look for a color temperature of 2,700–3,000K on the package.

— CFLs aren't for bathrooms. Not necessarily. CFLs can work in bathrooms, but humidity may shorten the bulb's life.

— CFLs can't be used in older houses. In fact, CFLs may work better than incandescent bulbs in houses with older wiring; CFLs generate less heat and draw less electrical current.

Related NPR Stories

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Heat
Some CFLs are labeled not to be run base up, since heat will shorten the ballast's life. Such CFLs are unsuitable for use in pendant lamps and especially unsuitable for recessed light fixtures. CFLs for use in such fixtures are available.[67]

Current recommendations for fully enclosed, unventilated light fixtures (such as those recessed into insulated ceilings), are either to use 'reflector CFLs' (R-CFL),[68][69] cold cathode CFLs or to replace such fixtures with those designed for CFLs.[68]


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Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!


Nah...Somebody would still bitch, saying we haven't regressed enough!
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OK, I've had my fun... The deal is I have an ass load of tube LED's in my store, similar to these ... [link to www.ledliquidatorsinc.com]

They use less energy and light the place better than fluorescent bulbs.

I really only desire the cost savings and better lighting.

If I could afford it, I'd have 300w incandescents every three feet down my aisles.
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.

Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!

Of being poisened? Yeah...

are you cracking them open and snorting the dust?

You've never accidently broken a light globe?
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sure and left area till it cleared

Also played with large balls of mercury when i was a kid.

Made them from old mercury switches.

Not good but I did not eat it!
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have you ever fucking used one of thos energy saving likes you cant even see there not bright its a sick looking light that it produces
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Here in Australia you can't find them anywhere.

Cool ahead of the curve you guys are!

Of being poisened? Yeah...

are you cracking them open and snorting the dust?

You've never accidently broken a light globe?

sure and left area till it cleared

Also played with large balls of mercury when i was a kid.

Made them from old mercury switches.

Not good but I did not eat it!
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You may want to research abit more on the procedure you have to take. You evacuated? For 48 hours? Left all doors and windows open? Burnt the clothes you were wearing? Drycleaned your carpets, etc.... Before you yell bs, learn the facts. Also, you dispose of them how exactly?
Actually, don't bother replying, i have no time for sheep
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I saw this coming and stocked up. I have a lifetime supply. :)

I won't bring mercury into my house.
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Perhaps most areas won't have any grid electricity at all and these bulbs are being pushed into the supply chain now so in the few regions where there is some power station activity but electricity severely rationed, low draw bulbs will be a godsend.
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I saw this coming and stocked up. I have a lifetime supply. :)

I won't bring mercury into my house.
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LED and OLED do not contain Mercury Ass crack smoker
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Perhaps most areas won't have any grid electricity at all and these bulbs are being pushed into the supply chain now so in the few regions where there is some power station activity but electricity severely rationed, low draw bulbs will be a godsend.
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Interesting theory..
Everything is permitted..
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i have seen LED bulbs, and dont care for the light quality, same with CFLs. I do like the fact they use less power, but the light quality just isnt there yet.

I have CFLs in a few parts of the house and on the patio..but not anywhere will i will be nearby..just dont like the light very much
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I like incandescent bulbs and I will continue to find them somewhere.
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It's not a "small amount" of Mercury. It's a huge amount. 300x the amount a 185 pound man can safely inhale.

Imagine that getting into a child's little system.

But then again, Mercury does seem to be the chosen poison. It's everywhere now, seems like. From our food to our medicines to our light bulbs.
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i have seen LED bulbs, and dont care for the light quality, same with CFLs. I do like the fact they use less power, but the light quality just isnt there yet.

I have CFLs in a few parts of the house and on the patio..but not anywhere will i will be nearby..just dont like the light very much
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Braf


5,778 K (5,505 °C) is the temp of sun.
Any light bulb shows it's color spectrum temp and if it's close to sun's then its the same color spectrum.
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Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!


Nah...Somebody would still bitch, saying we haven't regressed enough!
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Stone age, pre-fire...
PARTY!!!
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Let's ban clothes dryers and hair dryers and freezers and electric stoves then too. What about private jets, swimming pools, amusement parks, or recreational vehicles? They waste tons of energy as well!!!

Hell - let's all go back to living like we did in the 1600s! No energy wasted then!
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In 1600, there were about 550 million people. If the NWO has it's way that will be the size of the slave pool to support the Elite in luxury. The rest are useless eaters and a waste of resources. Mercury-based poisons sound like a good way to cull them.
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running a video in my head... bulbs over my head
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If everyone switched to. LED their price would drop. Anyone buying those shitty flourescent lights deserve to be poisoned - or at least not reproduce.

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