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Finally!!!!!! I've convinced my 13 yr. old not to go to college

 
depompey (OP)

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I went to 4 colleges. My oldest dropped out of high school. After that, I set him up with a union construction job and he makes close to 6 figures yearly.

Making all that money with no tuition to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

You learn a lot more in trade schools people. These college institutions are just what they say they are.... an institution.

Remember, college is a business. Bet some of you thought they were there to educate you. Wish I knew this years ago. I'm still pay off my tuition(s).


you are a jackass and thankfully not my father. That can of statement can only be made once a career path is chosen. In some cases it does not make sense to go to college and in other cases it does. Wait till your kid grows up to make such a decision.

one last question?

your son grows up, he does not want a job in construction, or any other trade for that matter. What will you tell him then?

and finally a childish statement I have to make....

fuck the unions they are a pain in the ass, I swing every job I can to non union.
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You are the JACKASS pubic head. You don't know me like that. I said he's a PROfessional actor. He's done soap operas, tons of commercials, SNL (2Xs), movies, tv shows, etc. He already chose his career cunt swab!
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Five years from now is going to be a new ballgame.
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I paid for my ex-wife to go to school for ten years to become a secretary. That's 10 years of tuition, books,daycare, housekeeper, and I'm sure there are other expenses I'm not thinking of now. School is not for everyone.
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Could probably learn to be a secretary over the internet. I had a great link to online schools for free. Math, computers all the way up to engineering. They have a youtube account with thousands of videos.

The best business to start today i believe is online sales of whatever product, worldwide, Since walmart only sells made in china.
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fuck the unions they are a pain in the ass, I swing every job I can to non union.
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This statement you made is the reason why we will ALWAYS have illegal immigrants. You are pussy cheese. Since I don't consider you a true American, this will be my last response to you. Sheep lover. Baa Baa Baa
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That's what they should turn colleges into.

Trade schools.

Pick your field. Chemistry. Art. Physics.

And focus on that. Cut the fat off the curriculum. So, people can get to work and earn money.

But I suppose the 4 years does provide you with the chance to meet someone and play the field til you find a suitable mate.
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Agreed ... 100%
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I loved doing my degrees just for their own sake.

Learning everything there is to know about a subject you love and then being encouraged to find out new things about it is awesome!

Granted, it cost me a few quid but I've had a twenty year career out of it. Not rich, but happy..and I know lots of interesting things! lol

I'd recommend university to anybody - but a person's got to do it because they like the subject, not because they think it will magic up a career & big bucks.
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People shouldn't go to college unless they want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc.
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People shouldn't go to college unless they want to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc.
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Wise words. Wise indeed. Though I still think it's a rip-off.

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Now the country is fucked and a half assed moron college professor who couldn't figure out a cash register at Mcdonalds runs our country. WTF happened?

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Actually, that freakin' communist moron that runs our country may not have a degree. He lists a degree at one college where the people don't remember him at all.
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Five years from now is going to be a new ballgame.
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One year from now is going to be a new ballgame. I bet this country will not exist in 2011.
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Now the country is fucked and a half assed moron college professor who couldn't figure out a cash register at Mcdonalds runs our country. WTF happened?






Actually, that freakin' communist moron that runs our country may not have a degree. He lists a degree at one college where the people don't remember him at all.
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Aaahhhh. My point exactly. Half of these people running our country are morons. A college degree does not make a person smart and it definitely does not guarantee common sense.
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OP, I signed up for a night class at a top private university near me. I was excited that this cool class was being offered at night in the continuing education program and anyone could walk in and sign up for it.

Let me tell you, I dropped that class like a rock after one week. Aside from the fact that it was run in a little group of dysfunctional people who kept griping over their program being thrown off campus and marginalized by being put in continuing ed, the class handouts were ghetto and unreadable, the material covered was so simplistic and limited the videos on YouTube on the topic were better, and the bitches were unprofessional and rude. They were fawning over students from the regular day program and snubbing the continuing ed students. One teacher wouldn't even make eye contact with an overweight black woman in the class and God only knows what I did to piss her off because she got angry every time I said something and said "No" every time I asked a question.

I shot an email to the registrar saying it was the most unprofessional behavior I'd ever seen and asked for my money back. I didn't drop $720 on a 2 credit class to be snubbed by some skank who wasn't going to teach much of anything and acted like she was putting up with us.

That experience reminded me of how bad academics are.

Those people could use a dose of having to make it in the real world.
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Sounds like UOP.
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The only thing I knew about electronics was which side was positive and negative on a battery. For the past 4 months I've been watching a lot of how to videos online. Now I have a bunch of motorized toys zipping all over the place, including a solar operated vehicle I made using a water bottle.

I wonder how much it would of cost me to learn everything I have so far, in college.
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I worked my ass off, going to school while I had a job and a family. I went into debt, and paid that debt off.

So after 7 years of college...

I've made a shit load of money, helped all 6 of my kids get established, and have a secure future.

Yes, I don't always like my job. But the decision to go to college was one of the best decisions I made.

I went into the army for 6 years to pay off college, and go to get my Master degree (Boston University, overseas campus, Heidelberg, Germany)

It worked for me. Best ace in the hole is the Master Degree.
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Not many of us entered the military to get a GI bill to help pay for our college like you. My niece in in college right now on a GI bill. Now, how many people can you find with the same sentiments as yours who was never in the service and came from a poor family?
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My husband served 23 years on active duty. He joined the Army in 1981 and he STILL had to pay for 25% of his education (masters degree) under the GI bill. It depends on when you went into the military and what other assests you have (he has been investing since he was 18 years old so he didnt quaily for a pell grant to pay for the other 25% of his education. My junior enlisted soldiers (the bulk of the military are broke asses, not because of low pay but because of poor choices like popping out kids at 18 and because they are irresponsible, so they do get pell grants though.
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College often has very little to do with getting better jobs. The jobs aren't even there. Government gives grants because they want to brainwash with marxism. It's the tenth plank of marxism, government education. The education system just keeps getting Bigger and BIGGER, with many students going right back into the system as liberal teachers.

There are a lot of really disappointed college grads working in other fields than their educated one. Even doctors find their field too regulated from the top down under hospitals more and more. Doctors go into private business or trucking and construction. That was even on 60 Minutes. The days of the medicade mansions are over.

The new world order is antichrist. Their counter-reformation is anti-Bible, anti-family, anti-nationalism. their world governemt and the Vatican's Roman Empire are one a nd the same. The Jesuit's and the Rockefellers founded our education system, worldwide.
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They also run the hospitals, most food corporations, the auto industry, hollywood and the media.
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Exactly. This is off topic but property taxes (what funds public education at least at the K-12 level) are also communist. One of the planks of communism is no private ownership of property and thats exactly what property taxes prevent. There is no such thing as private property if you live in a state that taxes your property. Even if you own your property outright you still never own it because you have to rent it from the gov. Dont believe me? Stop paying your property taxes on your paid off peice of property and see who ends up with it. I can guarantee you that it wont be you.
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I paid for my ex-wife to go to school for ten years to become a secretary. That's 10 years of tuition, books,daycare, housekeeper, and I'm sure there are other expenses I'm not thinking of now. School is not for everyone.

Could probably learn to be a secretary over the internet. I had a great link to online schools for free. Math, computers all the way up to engineering. They have a youtube account with thousands of videos.

The best business to start today i believe is online sales of whatever product, worldwide, Since walmart only sells made in china.
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True. You learn to do and excel at lots of trades without a formal education but the system has made it where you arent even considered for jobs, regardless of how well you would preform, unless you have a degree. Thats how the assholes that run this country ensure that they are able to keep the masses in check and keep extorting money from them.
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Five years from now is going to be a new ballgame.





One year from now is going to be a new ballgame. I bet this country will not exist in 2011.
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I think you might be on to something.
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Five years from now is going to be a new ballgame.





One year from now is going to be a new ballgame. I bet this country will not exist in 2011.
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It will exist, but in 10-20 years it will be the cheap labor pool for the globalists.
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In principal, I have to agree with the OP. The offering of a higher education has become a scam. I guess that's free enterprise; there’s always a sucker out there to make a buck off of. We have folks that have paid thousands of dollars for a piece of paper and they still don't know how to use a can opener or think. An education meant something many years ago and was respected; now it’s just a joke that has been highjacked by those with an agenda.
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Good school in Aus.
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Saw the professor interviewed. He said they teach marxism and Christiany side by side, unlike the secular Unis.
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Well, I'm off to Math class. I like when the teacher jokes about how we are never ever going to use these Math problems after we leave school. It truly is an inefficient system.

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Solving problems of any kind helps to develop the ability to reason.

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Speaking of math problems and reasoning. Tell me, young person A gets into a debt of $10,000 at an early age, say before 25, saves nothing, and has to pay that loan back at 2.5% interest.

Young person B avoid debt, works, saves the $10,000 and puts it into a retirement account averaging a 4% return, compounded annually, until the age of 65.

Between age 25 and 30, young person B goes and gets the same $10,000 degree, so that the earning potential about evens out for the rest of both of their lives.

At retirement, who is better off?
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Way to not let your child make their own decisions, but yet, they are 13 and could still change his/her mind. Education is what one makes of it. For some it's a passion, for some it's about personal growth and/or accomplishment, for some it's about money, status, power, etc. There are all types of different people in the world with different interests, strengths, abilities, intellects, passions, predispositions, and skill sets. If you are a grown man with children and have not figured this out I feel pretty bad for you and your children.

You're just as bad as the majority of people in this world. Why? Because you think your way is the correct way. Newsflash, it isn't. What may be good for you is not necessarily good for others.

And the majority of the responses here show an obvious lack of schooling, heart, or anything resembling a broad understanding of humanity. There is nothing wrong with tech school, nothing wrong with community colleges, and nothing wrong with universities, they all offer something unique and consequently all have something to offer to those that pursue educations through them. It's the application and the motivation of those attending and sometimes teaching where we see the most of our problems in the education system, at least in the US.
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Well, I'm off to Math class. I like when the teacher jokes about how we are never ever going to use these Math problems after we leave school. It truly is an inefficient system.

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Solving problems of any kind helps to develop the ability to reason.

. .

Speaking of math problems and reasoning. Tell me, young person A gets into a debt of $10,000 at an early age, say before 25, saves nothing, and has to pay that loan back at 2.5% interest.

Young person B avoid debt, works, saves the $10,000 and puts it into a retirement account averaging a 4% return, compounded annually, until the age of 65.

Between age 25 and 30, young person B goes and gets the same $10,000 degree, so that the earning potential about evens out for the rest of both of their lives.

At retirement, who is better off?
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What you seem to be forgetting is that the young, I included (28), will never get to retire. We are part of a "Lost Generation" just like those that were shipped off to WWII and others born in the 30s. But you do make some sense if life could be so formulaic, which it's not.
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Well, I'm off to Math class. I like when the teacher jokes about how we are never ever going to use these Math problems after we leave school. It truly is an inefficient system.

. .

Solving problems of any kind helps to develop the ability to reason.

. .

Speaking of math problems and reasoning. Tell me, young person A gets into a debt of $10,000 at an early age, say before 25, saves nothing, and has to pay that loan back at 2.5% interest.

Young person B avoid debt, works, saves the $10,000 and puts it into a retirement account averaging a 4% return, compounded annually, until the age of 65.

Between age 25 and 30, young person B goes and gets the same $10,000 degree, so that the earning potential about evens out for the rest of both of their lives.

At retirement, who is better off?



What you seem to be forgetting is that the young, I included (28), will never get to retire. We are part of a "Lost Generation" just like those that were shipped off to WWII and others born in the 30s. But you do make some sense if life could be so formulaic, which it's not.
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Actually, life is pretty formulaic. And the formulas aren't even that complex.

Formulas, will determine the degree of comfort in your later years, based on your savings, and whether you will qualify for a house loan. They will determine how much house, if any, you can afford, and even the probability that you will pay the home loan back. Those formulas don't care whether you have a degree or not. Show me da money!!

Formulas are important. Unfortunately, investing and money management are not part of most undergraduate or graduate degree programs.

By the way, EVERY generation whines that theirs is a "lost generation," get over it.
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Dumb ass OP. Dollars and cents -- that's all that matters? School is more than training to get a job -- its an opportunity to find yourself. Its philosophy and history and art. Its dealing with the real questions -- not just working for the weekend.

One more hamster in the maze. You should be real proud as a parent.


I went to 4 colleges. My oldest dropped out of high school. After that, I set him up with a union construction job and he makes close to 6 figures yearly.

Making all that money with no tuition to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

You learn a lot more in trade schools people. These college institutions are just what they say they are.... an institution.

Remember, college is a business. Bet some of you thought they were there to educate you. Wish I knew this years ago. I'm still pay off my tuition(s).
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Dumb ass OP. Dollars and cents -- that's all that matters? School is more than training to get a job -- its an opportunity to find yourself. Its philosophy and history and art. Its dealing with the real questions -- not just working for the weekend.

One more hamster in the maze. You should be real proud as a parent.



I went to 4 colleges. My oldest dropped out of high school. After that, I set him up with a union construction job and he makes close to 6 figures yearly.

Making all that money with no tuition to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

You learn a lot more in trade schools people. These college institutions are just what they say they are.... an institution.

Remember, college is a business. Bet some of you thought they were there to educate you. Wish I knew this years ago. I'm still pay off my tuition(s).

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If you need an indoctrination camp to find yourself you are a lost cause. You find yourself by living life, taking responsibility for yourself and your actions, and picking you ass up off the ground when you get knocked down because you are going to get knocked on your ass in life far more than you wont. Its how you deal with getting knocked on your ass that matters.
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I went to 4 colleges. My oldest dropped out of high school. After that, I set him up with a union construction job and he makes close to 6 figures yearly.

Making all that money with no tuition to pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

You learn a lot more in trade schools people. These college institutions are just what they say they are.... an institution.

Remember, college is a business. Bet some of you thought they were there to educate you. Wish I knew this years ago. I'm still pay off my tuition(s).
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A person does not need a college education to be successful...Who wants to have their future determined by an outside source? But the book "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" by Robert Kiosakie. This number one best seller will instill the mindset necessary for your boy to take charge of his life and make mor money than he can even fathom.
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Has anybody else (the ones over 35) noticed that getting a secondary education(university/comm.college/trade school) when we were growing up, was to become independent/our own boss?

Now it's better schooling, to become a better slave/worker...no independence.

Bleak times we live in.
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Well, I'm off to Math class. I like when the teacher jokes about how we are never ever going to use these Math problems after we leave school. It truly is an inefficient system.

. .

Solving problems of any kind helps to develop the ability to reason.

. .

Speaking of math problems and reasoning. Tell me, young person A gets into a debt of $10,000 at an early age, say before 25, saves nothing, and has to pay that loan back at 2.5% interest.

Young person B avoid debt, works, saves the $10,000 and puts it into a retirement account averaging a 4% return, compounded annually, until the age of 65.

Between age 25 and 30, young person B goes and gets the same $10,000 degree, so that the earning potential about evens out for the rest of both of their lives.

At retirement, who is better off?



What you seem to be forgetting is that the young, I included (28), will never get to retire. We are part of a "Lost Generation" just like those that were shipped off to WWII and others born in the 30s. But you do make some sense if life could be so formulaic, which it's not.

Actually, life is pretty formulaic. And the formulas aren't even that complex.

Formulas, will determine the degree of comfort in your later years, based on your savings, and whether you will qualify for a house loan. They will determine how much house, if any, you can afford, and even the probability that you will pay the home loan back. Those formulas don't care whether you have a degree or not. Show me da money!!

Formulas are important. Unfortunately, investing and money management are not part of most undergraduate or graduate degree programs.

By the way, EVERY generation whines that theirs is a "lost generation," get over it.
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The finer points of living in this country may be formulaic to a degree, i.e. when you're dealing with the economic aspects, but life has a funny way of throwing in unexpected variables all of the time. One of those being the myth of job security in the reality that is today.

You're going to have to give me a few minutes to drag up some comparison statistics between the 1930s and today, but this 20-something generation is having to experience the foothold years of generating stable wealth and savings during a recession where security and opportunity is severely diminished. I'm fine with the fact I will work till I die, I've never had it too easy, and have at least been instilled with a good work ethic from my life's experiences. But I do know many in my generation that do not have that same view nor the work ethic to match. Bad for them I suppose, but we are at a point where this generation's complaint about being "Lost" is a little more valid than let's say those my age in the 90s or 50s.
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Speaking of math problems and reasoning. Tell me, young person A gets into a debt of $10,000 at an early age, say before 25, saves nothing, and has to pay that loan back at 2.5% interest.

Young person B avoid debt, works, saves the $10,000 and puts it into a retirement account averaging a 4% return, compounded annually, until the age of 65.

Between age 25 and 30, young person B goes and gets the same $10,000 degree, so that the earning potential about evens out for the rest of both of their lives.

At retirement, who is better off?
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The problem is far larger.

Leaving a personal business for the family would be much better for the family and for the country. All we are doing by looking for jobs with degrees is feeding the corporate owned system on a spiral downwards.

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