federal reserve banking system

What difference does it make - concerning freedom - whether it is supposedly privately or publicly 'owned'?

(Note: I'm using 'private(ly)' as it is being used in this thread.)

Either way, as long as a money system is enforced upon a population at the barrel of a gun - with violence - the people living under the system can't be free.

The only way for a monetary/currency system to be free is if the people can voluntarily choose to use, or not use, any particular system.

If the problem is that it is 'privately' owned, does that mean the solution is to make it publicly (read government) owned? (Didn't it start off that way? Meaning 'publicly' owned failed?)

In that case - government owned - it would still be forced upon you with violence and you would still not be free of it.



If you understand the true nature of the Federal Reserve, the Corporate United States Government, and yourself, you will understand that it is not forced upon you at all. It's entirely contractual.

It was the government who handed that power over to the Fed. It is the government that enforces the Fed's policies. It's the government that grants corporations special powers - and et cetera.




which government are you talking about? The United States of America Government in its Original Jurisdiction is empty -- there's no one in the president's office, there's no one seated in the house of representatives, there's no one sitting on supreme court.

However, the Corporate United States, which was originally created by the Original Jurisdiction United States of America did create a relationship which gave many priveleges and abilities to the Fed.

Governments and corporations all derive their power from your powers. They cannot have any more than you or I have as individuals. As Sovereign individuals, we have a lot of abilities, rights and freedoms -- one of those very awesome is the power to contract.

America does indeed require educated people and to near the truth. Unfortunately the OP is neither educated nor truthful.

The Fed is not privately owned. It was created by congress and the chairman is approved by the Senate and any Fed profits are turned over to the Treasury.

Here we get to the heart of the confusion. Someone above asserts that the fed is......

"actually a private corporation since it disburses stock dividends to member banks."

when a bank becomes a member of the federal reserve system they have to pony up a deposit. Think of it as a membership fee. They get paid interest on that money. They also get "Stock". But the stock is non tradable and nonvoting and specifically confers no ownership rights. But people the word stock and immediately think of private ownership. It just isn't so.

For example. I belong to a beach club. To join I had to post a deposit. I got issued a certificate of membership. I get paid interest on my deposit every year. But I don't "own" the beach club.

What a bunch of Asshats!!!

The Fed is NOT privately owned!

The member banks in the federal reserve system do not own the Fed just as the registered members of GLP do not own the GLP website.

Most of the reason we are in the financial shit we are in is that most folks haven't a clue about economics and finance.

"The difference between "private" and "public" control is based upon transparency or secrecy. The "fed" is PRIVATE.

You all are missing the beauty in all of this!! The entire system can only remain stable if it is in growth. So once the entire planet has been "consumed" by mega-capitalism, the system will inevitably collapse.

Actually if it is public and duly constituted it is not tyranny. Doesn't mean it is necessarily a good idea

What a bunch of Asshats!!!

The Fed is NOT privately owned!

The member banks in the federal reserve system do not own the Fed just as the registered members of GLP do not own the GLP website.

Most of the reason we are in the financial shit we are in is that most folks haven't a clue about economics and finance.

America does indeed require educated people and to near the truth. Unfortunately the OP is neither educated nor truthful.

The Fed is not privately owned. It was created by congress and the chairman is approved by the Senate and any Fed profits are turned over to the Treasury.

Now that we know the Federal Reserve is a privately owned, for-profit corporation, a natural question would be: who OWNS this company? Peter Kershaw provides the answer in "Economic Solutions" where he lists the ten primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve banking system.

1) The Rothschild Family - London 2) The Rothschild Family - Berlin 3) The Lazard Brothers - Paris 4) Israel Seiff - Italy 5) Kuhn-Loeb Company - Germany 6) The Warburgs - Amsterdam 7) The Warburgs - Hamburg 8) Lehman Brothers - New York 9) Goldman & Sachs - New York 10) The Rockefeller Family - New York
Now I don't know about you, but something is terribly wrong with this situation. Namely, don't we live in AMERICA? If so, why are seven of the top ten stockholders located in FOREIGN countries? That's 70%! To further convey how screwed-up this system is, Jim Marrs provides the following data in his phenomenal book, "Rule By Secrecy.
" He says that the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which undeniably controls the other eleven Federal Reserve branches, is essentially controlled by two financial institutions:
1) Chase-Manhattan (controlled by the Rockefellers) - 6,389,445 shares - 32.
3%
2) Citbank - 4,051,851 shares - 20.
5%
Thus, these two entities control nearly 53% of the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Doesn't that boggle your mind? Now, considering how many trillions of dollars are involved here, and how the bankers are WAY above our "selected" officials in Washington, D.C., do you think the above-listed banks and families have an inordinate amount of say-so in how our country is being run? The answer is blindingly apparent.

Where does the money come from?
We all know that the Federal Reserve CORPORATION prints money - then loans it, at interest, to our government. But wait until you see what a total scam this process is. But before we get to the meat of this issue, let's remember one thing about the very essence of banking - primarily that money should have some type of standard upon which its value is based. In the case of America, we operate on what is called a "gold standard" (i.e. our money is backed by gold).

So, with that in mind, let's look at how money is actually created, and at what cost. If the Federal Reserve wants to print 1,000 one-hundred ($100) bills, their total cost for ink, paper, plates, labor, etc. would be approximately $23.00 (according to Davvy Kidd in "Why A Bankrupt America"). Now, if you do the math, the total cost of 10,000 bills would be $230.00 ($.023 x 10,000). But, and here's the catch - 10,000 $100 bills equals $1,000,000! So, the Federal Reserve can "create" a million dollars, then LEND it to the U.S. Government (with interest) for a total cost of $230.
00! That's not a bad deal, huh!
The banking industry calls this process "seignorage." I call it outright THEFT. Why? Well, regardless of the immense profit margin ($1,000,000 for $230), plus the huge interest payments, our government then needs to STEAL the American people's money to payoff their debts via a Mob-like agency called the IRS. So the bankers steal from the government, then the government turns around and steals from the people. I'm no genius, but who do you think is getting screwed in this process? US - the people at the bottom rung of the ladder.

What's worse is that - now catch your breath - there's NO MORE gold left in Fort Knox! It's all gone. In other words, the GOLD STANDARD that our financial system was based upon is now an illusion. We can't convert our money into gold --- only other currency. The entire underlying basis for our money is now a lie - a sham. The Federal Reserve has become so arrogant that they've become a literal MONEY MAKING MACHINE, creating currency out of thin air! So that's where the Fed gets their money - they literally make it, then lend it to us so they can make even MORE money off of it.

Money As A Religion
The above-detailed process has become so ridiculous that William Grieder, former assistant managing editor of the Washington Post, wrote a book in 1987 entitled, "Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country" that details how the Controllers have conditioned us to accept this absurd situation.

To modern minds," he writes, "it seemed bizarre to think of the Federal Reserve as a religious institution. Yet the conspiracy theorists, in their own demented way, were on to something real and significant. The Fed did also function in the realm of religion. Its mysterious powers of money creation, inherited from priestly forebears, shielded a complex bundle of social and psychological meanings. With its own form of secret incantation, the Federal Reserve presided over awesome social ritual, transactions so powerful and frightening they seemed to lie beyond common understanding.
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Mr. Grieder continues, "Above all, money was a function of faith. It required implicit and universal social consent that was indeed mysterious. To create money and use it, each one must believe, and everyone must believe. Only then did worthless pieces of paper take on value.
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Do you get it? MONEY is an ILLUSION! Why? Because the gold standard upon which our money is supposed to be based has been eliminated. There's no more gold in Fort Knox. It's all GONE! Now, money really IS only paper!!! In the past, money was supposed to represent something of tangible value.
Now it's simply paper!
Taken one step further, many of us don't even use paper money any more! Why? Well, here's a scenario. Many places of employment directly deposit their employee's paychecks into the bank. Once the money is there, when bill time comes around, the person in question can write out a stack of checks to pay them. Plus, when they need gasoline they use a credit card; and groceries a debit card. If this person goes out for dinner on Friday night, they can charge the tab on their diner's card. But what about the tip? They simply scribble in the amount at the bottom of the check. So far, the person hasn't spent a single dollar bill. Plus, if you bring electronic banking into the picture, we've virtually eliminated the use for money.
And, God forbid, what happens when encoded microchips are implanted into the backs of our hand?
In essence, money has become nothing more than an illusion - an electronic figure or amount on a computer screen. That's it! As time goes on, we have an increasing tendency toward being sucked into this Wizard of Oz vortex of unreality. Think about it. Americans as a whole are carrying more personal debt than in any other time in history. Plus our government keeps going further and further into the hole, with no hope of ever crawling out. But we have less and less actual MONEY! We're being enslaved by the debt of electronic blips on a computer screen! And 70% of the banks that control this debt via the Federal Reserve exist in foreign countries! What in God's name is going on? As author William Bramley says, "The result of this whole system is MASSIVE debt at every level of society.
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We're getting screwed in a sickening way, folks, and the people doing it are demented magician-priests that use the ILLUSION of money as their control device. And I hate to say it, but if we allow things to keep going as they are, the situation will only get worse. Our only hope ... ONLY HOPE ... is to immediately take drastic action and remedy this crime.




let the Truth be known..

let's abolish the federal reserve, please

how can we do it?

The fed is the head of the beast. Kill the head, the body dies. Without an unlimited, free supply of money, the government has to resort to Constitutional spending (i.e. taxing for every dime they spend). This will of course cause MAJOR uproars and force them to STOP SPENDING!

Stop the fed = stop wars, gov. healthcare, handouts, bailouts, foreign aid.