Christians literally believe that the Creator of the Universe made himself be a human 2000 years ago

yep

Jesus saves !

so you're just a chickenshit troll?

Thats hard to swallow...

That's where the word 'incarnation' comes from.

Jesus was both fully human and fully God. That is the only way he could appreciate all humans experience, yet remain sinless, and thus perfect, and become the perfect sacrifice which could atone for all sin.

There's much more evidence for the incarnation and resurrection than for most of the B.S. posted on this board.

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weak human kind can clone just about anything they wish including human's and you think the Creator of all things would really have a problem with any thing that the Creator may desire. The only problem I see is you can't wrap your mind around it.

I believe the Creator of the Universe made himself be a human right now, every single human, You & I included.

[link to www.spurgeon.org]

Athanasius: On the Incarnation
De Incarnatione Verbi Dei

This translation was made by Sister Penelope Lawson, of the Anglican Community of St. Mary the Virgin in Wantage, England. It was originally published with a byline that reads only "Translated and edited by A Religious of C.S.M.V."

With Introduction by C. S. Lewis



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Athanasius stood contra mundum ("against the world") in defense of the biblical doctrine of Christ. He opposed Arius when it seemed all the world would follow Arius's heresy. Athanasius's work remains even today one of the definitive statements of orthodox Trinitarianism.


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Contents
Introduction by C. S. Lewis
Creation and the Fall
The Divine Dilemma and Its Solution in the Incarnation
The Divine Dilemma and Its Solution in the Incarnation— continued
The Death of Christ
The Resurrection
Refutation of the Jews
Refutation of the Gentiles
Refutation of the Gentiles—continued
Conclusion

Christ is in us, but we are not God.

If you can change your own thought let's say for the better and your reality does indeed in fact then change for the better?

The only reasonable conclusion once you have proven that fact to yourself is that you must at least be in a co-creatorship with the creator.

And that is when you will take your power back and the christ will awaken within you.

God Bless * God Speed

Last Edited by Michael Lee Hill on 02/13/2010 02:36 AM

HE did, is it really that hard to believe?
We're here, so somebody must have created us.

Jesus was an Avatar of the Hyper-Dimensional Creator.

A 3D vehicle passing through the 4th dimension of time.


We were only capable to see a fraction of his majesty.


Take a second to contemplate this while viewing Salvidor Dali's: Crucifixion, Corpus Hypercubus

[link to paul2ed.com]

Jesus the Avatar of the Creator crucified upon an unfolded 5th dimensional hypercube.



"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

Not just humans.

Omnipresence.

He did, his name is JESUS. He died, and then came back to life. So significant was this man, that out ENTIRE date system is based on him. 2010, 2010 years since he came down to earth and defeated death.

It is true that God blessed us with the ability to have creative power over our own experiences here on Earth, but that is all it is... a gift from God.

We are not co-creators, nor are we gods in any way.

God created the universe and that is in it, including the Earth, the stars, and us. God is outside and above it all and is the one and only creator.

We are just blessed that the creator granted us dominion and free will, and created the universe in such a way that it does respond to us; but that does not make us creators or gods... it just makes us lucky that we have such a loving and generous creator.

I often think of that.
It is amazing that christians won't admit those were not gods, but ET's.

That is not exactly true, but you are correct in spirit.

Welcome to the Great Deception!
You are one of the early converts (i.e. easily fooled) people to accept the lie.



hint: The truth is there are no 'ET's'

Yep! They literally believe it, how stupid is it?

Watch "The Green Beautiful". It shows who Jesus is. And he's not somebody THAT special. Just a regular other worldly being who came here and had high hopes for the Earth people.

There are beings constantly coming in and out of our world checking on things. There isn't that many since Earth isn't a popular world to play in. It kinda sucks here.

Of course "he" did. It's part of the Intention. Presumably this occurs on every planet, in one way or another, that the Creator has established, out in the Cosmos; ET, from Earth. It's to create the "SPACE" for choice; good or evil. It seems as though Earth was the ONLY place, in this 3D density, to have blatantly REJECTED the Creator, manifest in Y'shua Hamashiah (Jesus Christ "Father in the Flesh"). We killed the guy.

Of course the Luciferians have their own version of events, which included ET intervention. THEY ARE partially correct; but they will use this advantage to SPIN our perception. The goal seems to be: cause our species to accept a being who will be half-human, half-ET, claiming to be our MESSIAH. Whether we know he's half ET remains to be known, but considering the daily ET MEME throughout the past few months, and the coming days, I think HE WILL ANNOUNCE this to be true.
This will happen BEFORE the ACTUAL Creator manifests to Correct the System. The so-called Return of the Warrior King.

I'm stating these ideas VERY simply. It's actually much more complicated. It's like needing a lawyers dictionary to decipher a seemingly obvious statute. You will need a so-called Galactic Dictionary to figure out the Document, which HAS revealed, in pieces, throughout every religion, and ancient, and modern text that effectively outlines a HIGHER Pattern that imposes itself on our reality...

The proverbial battle between good and evil, is the nature of our 3D reality, and the HIGHER and LOWER orders.

If I'm not making sense, it's probably because you haven't downloaded your own Spiritual, metaphysical, dictionary for deciphering reality; which is free, provided you USE it... Just PRAY...the Creator will eventually provide you Realization.

I'm often "happy" during prayer, because I'm literally receiving "impressions" (which is a language often used by the Creator) instantaneously. You need to actively pursue a better connection.

Your pineal gland affects transmission, by the way. HENCE the reason for FLUORIDATING water, and etc; they intend to ruin us biochemically, and eventually spiritually. You see, Lucifer and his minions are being ALLOWED to impose their ideals on our planet, and around the cosmos, however they're under very heavy rules, i.e. you can't just manifest in 3D without causing a serious thermonuclear explosion...so they "convince" people to accept them, the minions, into their bodies as hosts. The so-called Rothschild dynasty have effectively guaranteed their family as organic portals, through ritual magic; etc...

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I agree mostly with your comment, but I differ about ETs.

I think ETs, from an Earthling perspective, couldn't visit us without cause, or permission from the Holy Government, since seemingly we're in Quarantine.

King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


1 Timothy 3:16 like John 3:16 easy to recall

love rb

Let this be a guide to the truth of truths: God is incarnate in all of us.

Last Edited by Aleilius on 02/13/2010 04:44 AM

Yet another translation The Revised Standard (RV) reads thus:

1Ti 3:16 RV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Who was received up into glory in either translation? Was God the Father ever received up into glody, need God the Father to be justified in the Spirit?

Yet another translation reads, "... which whas manifest in the flesh", that is to say the mystery of godliness was manifest in the flesh.

Your mileage at times is fully determined by which Greek Editions you use therefore by which Greek Manuscripts of the 1st Timothy you find to be the more accurate of all of them that are known to exist.

Still, the God of Adam, and the God of Noah, and the God of Moses, and the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaiah, and the God of Elijah, and the God of John the Baptist, is the self-same God and Father of the Lord Jesus the Christ, His only Son begotten of a woman as he was conceived by Mary to become both Son of God and Son of Man.

It is really not as much a mystery (though still as a mystery in other ways) as many seem to think. The same power that created the Universe and all things in it seen and unseen, would really find causing a woman's egg to be fertilized by Him through a new creation via the manifest power of His Holy Spirit to be no great problem when the time came for it to come to pass according to His own schedule and will. Any that would think such would be impossible for one that had created the universe must needs have a very limited god that they worship. With God, all things are possible.

There is but one God above all, The Almighty God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

Jesus the Christ is called "The Last Adam" for good cause and reason. The First Adam fell and corrupted the flesh and blood of all his offspring. The First Adam was made, formed and created by the power of God Almighty. The Frist Adam is also called the Son of God, but not the only begotten Son of God. The Last Adam was created by God Almighty, and made (appointed) by God Almighty and formed in the flesh in Mary's womb and then born to Mary as both the Son of God and the Son of Man.

The verse speaks of the mystery of godliness, which is an attribute and a behavior, that of being somehow in ways 'like God'.

I like! Thanks.

But that DOESN'T make us godly, since we have the SPACE to make choices, we could LOSE our connection with the CREATOR.

What are we then...? (Rhetorical)

So, see? We're not godly.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”


Hebrews 2:17,18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15,16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed."

Yeah, quite incredible really.

That God would make Himself human and experience our life,
then go around speaking about love and healing people,
then be nailed to a cross and die a horrible agonizing death,
and then
come back to life and offer us all eternal life!

Incredible.

I can scarcely take it in, but when I read the things he said, the very small God particle in me sets off all the truth bells ringing, and my heart threatens to burst out of my body.

Oh yeah.

Last Edited by kalamity kool on 02/13/2010 10:25 AM

Amen to that!!