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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4761
4/20/2005 3:08 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
 GREY LENSMAN
NESARA NOW NESARA NOW NESARA NOW
The way I see it a line has been drawn in the proverbial sand. Two choices.
NESARA OR NWO
I´ll take NESARA |
| i is that which i is
User ID: 2630
4/20/2005 3:29 AM
 | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
GREY LENSMAN 4/20/2005 12:18 am writes,
“LATEST UPDATE FROM SHELDAN NIDLE. ... ‘Greetings, dear Hearts! We arrive before you again! Your world is now in the last stage of her transition to a new reality. Many final steps required to achieve your grand victory are currently taking place.’” ...
*******
As far as I can recall, Sheldan Nidle has been posting similiar messages since at least 1987 and like ZetaTalk numerous set dates have come and gone.
Can’t say that he is wrong. Just let the buyer beware!
Peace, light, and love. 
"I am not afraid to stand alone, but it's always more fun if I have friends standing with me." Lena Coleon. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11261
4/20/2005 4:04 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
nesara is pusilanimus crap.
or is that too subtle?
may as well hope the price of puppy poop goes thru the roof....and rover will be shitting gold bars.
it´s not so much the general idea of every lame-ass hippie debtor suddenly becoming rich in a world where everybody is suddenly rich...
it´s just every fucking detail of this fairy tale... every single fucking detail. Every missed date, every financial impossibility, every plebian misconception regarding even the most basic of economic facts...
wait... I take it back.... it is too the whole general idea that sucks, as well as all the pretend particulars.
I really love the whole ´what are you afraid of? why not give it a chance? so why are you feeding the staus quo?´ line of attack leveled at each detractor.
if I claim that fried monkey turds will save the world, it is not out of fear, nor guilt, nor greediness that others might look askance at my claims... nor is it so with the rediculousclaims of nesara.
fried monkey turds... the whole thing. |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 4:17 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Nesara IS
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| Maya
User ID: 2811
4/20/2005 4:59 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Just found this info on www.fourwinds10.com while trying to find out what on earth NASRA is. As it says, Nancy, ´jumped the gun´ but can anyone update us on what´s going on now cause there´s just too many threads to read through them all!!
"HATONN: Our dear readers,it is I, Hatonn come to talk with you a bit today. It concerns an issue that occurred recently, and it needs to be cleared up. Last Sunday, (April 3, 2005) someone not myself, announced prematurely the Stand Down order. The announcement was to come through Sananda after the Stand Down had been received by all on Earth over the 24 hours of the delivery process. Sananda intended this announcement to be made on Monday, April 4th.
It was given permission of those using channels to convey this information and update it, as this message needed spreading through many sources to reach many. However, someone on our side "jumped the gun", I assume, in misunderstanding of the order. A receiver misjudged this individual as myself. I would not have "jumped the gun". We are, in general, not very concerned about this at this time, but I do desire to say that it was not I, who did the "jumping". This caused Sananda to confer with all of us, and we decided to go ahead with announcing the Stand Down on Sunday evening.
Much of the information by this supposed Hatonn is reasonably correct, and we will let the material stand, because the website posting it has many readers. The website in question is the "Tree of the Golden Light," (Tree of the Golden Light ( [link to www.treeofthegoldenlight.com] ) who are performing very useful service at this time. However, Nancy Tate, this is for you, my dear. You have at times channeled myself quite well, but in your eagerness over the material, you goofed. You are still not channeling myself, my dear, but this other one you believe to be Hatonn. The one coming through you has a high energy, and does have permission to talk about the coming changes. I am not sure who this individual is, Nancy, but whoever it is, he´s a bit "wordy", don´t you think?
I deliver my messages in a more straightforward manner. I, in fact, did not intend to deliver messages involved in the Stand Down at all. I have many duties of very serious nature right now. I am heavily involved on the ground in the Middle East, and gave of the teachings to others. So, my dear, try to identify this one, you believe to be Hatonn, and put that person´s name as credit to the material in the channelings, and not myself." |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 5:21 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Hi Maya,
It seems that Nancy Tate is not channeling who she thinks she is channeling. That is a bit confusing. But anyway she is channeling a being of light.
I myself stick to Candice with Sananda. It turns out humans and lightbeings are working very hard right now (and since a long time) to get Nesara on the road.
The announcement is not far away they say. I check it in my heart and I only feel peace and joy.
The announcement was made through the channels. But not for real yet, because something came in between.
It is not so important when it will happen but That it will happen. And it will. Soon enough. And it will be at the perfect moment so all will flow in balance. |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 1096
4/20/2005 5:21 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
NOW THEY HAVE SOME REAL EXPLAINING TO DO.
BBC REPORTS
QUOTE
Bush welcomes Pope Benedict XVI
By Lesley Curwen
BBC News, Washington
President George W Bush has welcomed the election of the new Pope, saying he is a man of wisdom and knowledge.
But more progressive Catholics in the US are concerned about whether Benedict XVI could polarise opinion through being combative on moral issues.
Mr Bush, standing next to his wife, Laura, on the White House lawn, said they both offered their congratulations to the new pope.
Mr Bush met Cardinal Ratzinger earlier this month at John Paul II´s funeral.
It´s ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said ´there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young
Mary Grant
Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
"He´s a man of great wisdom and knowledge," Mr Bush said.
"He´s a man who serves the Lord. We remember well a sermon at the Pope´s funeral in Rome, how his words touched our hearts and the hearts of millions."
Victims´ groups wary
Mr Bush went on to say he and his wife joined with fellow citizens and millions around the world to pray for continued strength and wisdom as the new Pope leads the Catholic Church.
Earlier the state department said the US looked forward to working with Pope Benedict XVI to build upon what it called an already excellent relationship with the Vatican.
The president had shared many of the former pope´s conservative beliefs on social issues such as abortion, euthanasia and stem cell research, and he will no doubt welcome the choice of a successor with similarly robust views.
A few in the progressive wing of America´s Catholic population of 67 million have expressed surprise or concern at the choice of the Cardinals, with critics suggesting the new Pope´s conservative views may polarise opinion.
And there has been a wary reaction from leaders of victims´ groups representing those who suffered sexual abuse by Catholic priests in the US.
Mary Grant, of the US Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said in her view, Cardinal Ratzinger had seemed to "prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion".
"It´s... crucial that the new Pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said ´there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young," she added.
Story from BBC NEWS:
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
Published: 2005/04/19 23:30:18 GMT
© BBC MMV
UNQUOTE
NOW ANY VIEWERS IN USA SAW THIS
"Mr Bush, standing next to his wife, Laura, on the White House lawn, said they both offered their congratulations to the new pope.
I KNOW THE EXPLANATION BUT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT NOW.
GL |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1109
4/20/2005 5:24 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
"The way I see it a line has been drawn in the proverbial sand. Two choices. NESARA OR NWO"
does it suck that YOUR choices are so limited? |
| galactic federate public relat
User ID: 6544
4/20/2005 5:30 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
sorry we didn´t destroy the dark cabal yesterday because we had a problem with korton that added acetone to our antigravitatorial ship to increase mileage in 10 % but it didn´t worked so now we are in venus. The problem is we have no screwdriver to repare our ship. Maybe next week we will arrive and announce to the world our involvement in 911 attacks, emm.. the involvement of bush administration. Remember to buy the book of edgar cayce´s prophecies 100 % accurate. hey, what day is it?
KORTON NO! URINE IN FUEL NO!!!
 |
| Woo-Woo
User ID: 4699
4/20/2005 5:54 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Stop being manipulated by the Draconians with their games. Anyone who says they are going to ´reform´ the Bush cabal is fooling you. Anyone who says there is hope for a ´good´ Pope is fooling you. The Roman Cat-holic system was not setup in the interest of benevolence, neither were ANY of our government structures. The Constitution itself was a farce setup by High Degree Luciferians.
There is no savior- the savior was manufactured to take away your own true divinity. They arent going to ´right´ the wrongs in a wrong system, it must be simply wiped clean and started anew.
The Ascended Masters are the Nordic Ashtar servants of the Draconian beings. Channeling is achieved by artificial means --satellite transmissions - and unfortunately not even many of the channelers will face the fact they are being misguided to misguide others straight towards the Illuminati objectives.
These people are doing nothing but prepping you for Project Bluebeam -- the presentation of a false ´messiah´ and the holographic imagery of a false mass landing.
Stop letting these beings toy with you so. |
| Maya
User ID: 2811
4/20/2005 6:05 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
No-one, not NESARA or anyone else, even God, is coming to ´save´ any of us!!! We are the only ones responsible for ourselves and the way the world is today and only we can change it.
No superhero´s, angelic beings, aliens, etc. will be zooming down here to planet Earth and offering us a way out. So stop sitting around waiting for an announcement and get out there and do something about the state of the world if you don´t like it.
People power is what will win through in the end - British elections are coming up but how many people will sit at home moaning about their lot yet not bother to go and use their vote?! We´ve all helped create the world we live in and only we can change it. We all need to take responsibility for our own part in the way the world works and if we don´t like what we see then change it - simple I know, but that´s the way its always worked throughout history.
As for writing off debts, mortgages, etc., why? I knew when I took my mortgage over 25 years that I´d be paying it for 25 years so why should I now expect a miracle to happen and it be wiped out?
What exactly do NESARA hope to achieve cause looking at the relevant websites just adds to the confusion?
I´ll just stick to the idea that if I want something to happen, large or small, then only I can actually do anything to try and make it happen. I wont be waiting for an announcement today, tomorrow or next year.
Mind you this thread has been a fascinating insight into how many people seem to think so I´ll keep reading the posts.  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 6:11 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Hello this is the captain speaking. Despite some decent concerns our ship is still afloat but has not reached it´s harbor yet.
I herewith want to thank everybody who keeps this ship floating and I just say: NESARA or not, now or in the near future, our support of all those visions for a good world will pay off one day.
This excerpt from the newest GF message posted by GL above, just fits and can remind us of being patient and to stay comitted:
"As you can see, the great events that we have long described to you are about to happen. These changes have taken a long time to come about. Just think of it! You are actually to be set free after nearly 13 millennia of lies, distortions, manipulation, and forced servitude to the dark."
Meanwhile I will keep praying to our True Creator that the best comes into fruition finally.
Maya you gave me the confirmation about Nancy Tate´s obvious lack of determination but she nevertheless may channel light beings.
I still would like to express my wish for authentic messages only and I herewith ask the GF to make sure of this if this is possible for them.
I can only advice you to read the GF message which was posted by GL above, as it is so full of useful information.
Love to ALL. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 6:22 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Maya:
"So stop sitting around waiting for an announcement and get out there and do something about the state of the world if you don´t like it."
If you read Nidle´s messages you can see that they actually tell us that a lot of work has to be done by ourselves, no matter if now or in the future.
The problem is just that the current matrix insomuch deteres the lightworkers in implementing the Good that the Angels must intervene to a certain ammount. I also refuse to believe that God´s workers are not able to do this in 3D.
Just my beliefs. |
| Maya
User ID: 2811
4/20/2005 6:35 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
I agree with what you say and wasn´t trying to be obnoxious or arrogant - I just don´t believe that sitting around thinking that we´re all going to be ´saved´ by an external force is very helpful - that´s just my opinion and from this thread it´s obvious that many people think differently. I´m glad for that because the world would be even worse if we all thought and acted the same.
Love, peace and bright blessings to all. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 6:47 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Maya, thank you for your input. I appreciate all basically positive comments and I have no problems with different opinions.
Here is the new message by Mike Quinsey and it contains very warm and precious advices for all who contributed to the light. It´s a highly recommended read:
St Germain 04.20.05.
Dear Ones, the excitement is almost unbearable as you quite rightly sense that a great moment has arrived. After many years of dedication to your individual causes, you arrive at the time when it is ordained that you shall see the fruits of your work. Some of you have a greater involvement than others, but I wish you to know that every contribution has been essential to bringing about the energies of Light that now place it in ascendancy.
No one shall claim a greater input than another unless their ego demands recognition. You are all aware of the story of the widow’s mite, and I tell you that the greatest sacrifices or contributions are from those who have the least to offer. Each one of you is unique, and it follows that no one else can do exactly as you can, and this is why we encourage all of you to participate in these end times. We need you all to sustain the wonderful progress that you have made in such a comparatively short time. To hold fast to your beliefs is not easy when you are surrounded by the activities of the dark, that would confuse you and pull you down.
hat you see now is the last attempt of the dark and their supporters to stall the good work of the Lightworkers. If in doubt, turn within and ignore what is without and you will deflect the attempts to unsettle you. Carry on expressing and illustrating your truth, and you will be true to your Higher Self and the God energies that are linked to you. Remember, you ARE more powerful than you realise, and accept that you can do anything if you set your mind to it. However, humans have a built in mechanism that questions their actions, as though they have to prove to themselves that they are worthy of working for the Light. Trust your intuition, and know that once you decide to forge ahead you will be helped by many Beings from our side. Providing you will “listen” you will be guided to follow a path that is in line with your goal, and we will ensure that opportunities come your way for that expression.
Be true to yourselves, there is no need for self exaltation and Lightworkers generally speaking get on with their task without drawing attention to themselves. If in doubt as to your place in the scheme of things, ask for guidance, but be prepared for an answer that may not necessarily be what you expect. Spirit will use all volunteers in some way or another, and of course many of you are waiting to be awakened for specific tasks that you undertook to do at this particular time. Many sense that they should be doing something different to what they are, but I say first wait until you are strongly urged to follow a certain prompting. Do not be impatient; we do understand your frustration at times when you are anxious to get going.
As events start to impact upon people there will be all manner of help required. One of the most important initially will be to assure others who have little or no knowledge of them, that all is well and that dramatic changes are necessary if that quantum leap forward is to take place. The old has to go, and the new is ready to take its place but not without much upheaval. People will need to be informed by those who are knowledgeable, of the necessity and advantages of changes which will take place. Indeed, there is no time like the present to put suggestions or ideas around that will start a train of thought that will enlighten them.
Soon, the facts of what has been taking place will come out into the public domain. It will go off as you say, with a bang, and the impact will be unsettling for many, whilst for others it will fulfil their expectations. The battle is taking place at the top, and this is the last bastion of the dark forces. The battle is in fact taking place on many levels, but the focal point is now on Earth. It would sometimes seem to you that you will never get that victory that you are promised, but we see it has already taken place. You can go about your work confident of the outcome.
There can be a feeling that you are fighting a lone battle, but that is far from the truth. You are supported by legions of dear ones who are behind you every step of the way. The Light is the most potent weapon you have, and we give you the added benefit of our Light which makes you a formidable opponent of the dark. Thought is your sword, and you can undo or create as you desire, and remember that Light is always more powerful than the dark. Looking back, how do you think that you have arrived at such an important point in your evolution? It is your creation that is manifesting within the Creator’s Plan.
I am St. Germain and I am here there and everywhere, call on me if you need help. I am one of many who are working closely with you, and you will shortly learn of the demise of the dark who shall be removed from their positions of power. It is time for the people to take back that which has been taken from them, and to restore freedom, justice and sovereignty. This will be just the start, and the changes will of necessity come very quickly. You will see all taking place quite openly, and be aware of exactly what are our plans. There is no hidden agenda, but a glorious future that beckons opening up the pathway to the return of your full consciousness. This is your natural state, and was only hidden from you to enable you to experience the cycle of duality.
Go about your work and play knowing that you have all but finished your earthly tasks. Now let us go forward together as a band of Light that announces its arrival to the Heavens, who rejoice in your success. Let Love and Light fill every day, and generously share it with all around you.
Thank you St. Germain
Mike Quinsey |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1109
4/20/2005 6:55 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
"As for writing off debts, mortgages, etc., why? I knew when I took my mortgage over 25 years that I´d be paying it for 25 years so why should I now expect a miracle to happen and it be wiped out?"
sounds like Nesara promotes irresponsibility? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 6:57 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
"sounds like Nesara promotes irresponsibility?"
I would rather say changing to a different kind of responsibility, for earth and all inhabitants. |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 7:04 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Joepie! Thank you Saint Germain. Please help me with releasing old fears so I can stand totally in my own light.
Love and light to all lightworkers, to all what is. We stay strong!
Thank you AC 11342 for posting!
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 7:07 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Hi angel.
I may be at error but your vibes feel female?
Anyway: |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1109
4/20/2005 7:11 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
11342
I´ve read about Nesara for many years now, always reading how Nesara is "very close to being introduced".
How do you expect anyone to believe this line after hearing it for many years, and seeing no results?
Where is there ANY proof that Nesara is real?
Government documents? Something? Anything?
Tell me why anyone would believe heresay such as this? |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 7:12 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Yeppie 11342 I am female. I think you are female to. Right? |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 7:17 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
AC 25, I am reading channelings for many years now. In the beginning I had to find me way to in this. But now I know and feel a lot is changing to a higher vibration. I feel it in the air, in the way I can feel myself and my soul, I see it in movies, series, music, how people around me change, how more and more people want to know who they are and are interested in "the other dimensions".
Never heard about the Indigo Children etc. No matter how you call them. I am one of them.
And I tell you: we are heading towards a new consiousness. We are heading to love all of us. It is inside you allready. And if you are inside it, it is not so important what happens next, for you are in the Now and in Love allready.
And it is a wonderful energyfield. |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 7:19 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
And the lovely thing is, that because of internet millions of people who feel the same connect. So there is a lot of information on and from people who are being awakening.
Many people now start to awake their inner senses. And they connect and come together. There are many schools all over the world were you can find who you really are: Light and life. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 7:20 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
" I think you are female too. Right?"
LOL, no physically I am pure male, but I am very sensitive and intuitive, even a psychic sometimes. (Only if I would like to know the lotto numbers it does not work at all).
Most often I can sense the energies of the posters, and which side they are on.
angel8765 you are so benevolent!
AC 25 please wait, I have to leave for an hour or so and I will try to answer to you later. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1109
4/20/2005 7:25 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
angel
I agree with most of what you say, but those changes are happening within us.
I ask again, where is there ANY proof that Nesara is real? |
| angel8765
User ID: 447
4/20/2005 7:28 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
LoL 11342. In the moment I asked I thought: could be a male with his female part firmly integrated allready. I do not look at a picture but try to feel the energy of someone (without being indiscrete ofcourse, ha ha ha)
So I am even happy you are a man, for the more man like you, the happier I get. Not that I have anything against men. I just like whole people :-)
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| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 1096
4/20/2005 7:59 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
SOME ISSUES TO BE ADDRESSED.
MAYSA, YES WE ALL NEED TO DO OUR THING, HAVE OUR VISION BUT IN THE END IT IS TEAM WORK THAT SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM. HOW YOU BUILD YOUR TEAM, WHO YOU INVITE ONTO IT IS VITAL.
NESARA DEBT RELIEF. THIS IS THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD ISSUE, IT IS NOT RELIEF IT IS FIMES PENALTYS IMPOSED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF THEFT. LOOK AT THE BIG CORP, IT COMMIT A CRIMINAL ACT AND IS COUGHT. FINED 150 MILLION DOLLARS. DOES THE CORP PAY IT, NO IT PASSES IT ON TO SHARHOLDER AND CUSTOMERS. NESAR HITSS THEM RIGHT WHERE IT HURST.
DOG POO, YES THE US DOLLAR, BASED ON NOTHING EXCEPT ABKERS GREED. SEEING AS YOU ARE LITERALLY FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, ARE YOU A BANKER?. INFLATION, TOO MUCH MONEY SUPPLY, CURE HIKE INTERES RATES PEONS PAY. OTHER FIX, STOP PRINTING MONEY BANKERS PAY. NEVER EVER ALLOWED.
G; |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 9:31 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
AC 25:
I have been thinking about your questions and I must admit we have no proof so far, only numerous signs, feel and intuition.
And the govt would not tell us.
But I saw their crafts many times.
The GF is here in 3D! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 363
4/20/2005 10:40 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
I feel especially engergized on days like today where the sky is clear, no clouds or chemtrails etc. Sometimes it´s hard thinking that you are all alone while others around you sleep. I know I am a lightworker. I know my thoughts create my reality. I know ET has a part to play in this as well. We always felt different then others did when they were kids. Never knew we were going to be the system busters. Found out slowly though over the years. Probably spent time reading channeled material. Maybe Marciniak, Emmanuel, anyone remember Seth?? I´ve still got alot of them to this day. Well here we are anchoring the light. Imagining it and touching others with it. All it takes is visualization. Animals take to us well also. It seems as if the dark is drawing a noose around our neck, but here we are the Jedi of the Era, the champions of light to shine out love energy and transform it. Its that easy. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
4/20/2005 10:45 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Yep 2081, well said.
I always thought this earth is not the place I am used to be.
I remember a world where it was much easier to create what we needed and wanted.
It was a hard time until I finally came to accept: OK I am here and I have to deal with the conditions here. |
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